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Brickwallers and their inability to understand changing circumstances
tilarta
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I was doing my daily Borg Cube mission for the Competitive marks.
I assume there was a player new to the console for the tube, because they kept misaligning the colored lines and the shield never went down.
Then there was an announcement that the tube was resetting.
Since I'd never seen this happen before, I naturally paused to watch it.
At this point, considering the other team was in the endroom, I didn't figure it was worth continuing to fight and holstered my weapon to wait for the rewards to be granted.
Then I get this PM:
I think there are certain players who are so inflexible that if anyone departs from zergrush full on attack tactics for whatever reason, they get snitty.
I think they assume that someone who isn't fighting, even for a few seconds is being a leech (from their point of view).
In the above scenario, we'd already lost, so why should we keep fighting?
And it isn't the first time I've had to deal with players like this.
1. Someone kept triggering the Thalaron Pulse in KASE and because my ship was highly manoeuvrable/fast, I was able to dodge out of the way. Got attitude for not fighting enough.
2. Dummyspit followed by ragequit when I suggested the team change tactics at the first transformer set in Cure Ground, because zergrushing wasn't working. We'd been at this transformer for 15 minutes and failed the optional......
I hope these are kinds of players aren't common.
I truly cannot comprehend someone who doesn't, as the Borg put it, adapt when circumstances change.
I assume there was a player new to the console for the tube, because they kept misaligning the colored lines and the shield never went down.
Then there was an announcement that the tube was resetting.
Since I'd never seen this happen before, I naturally paused to watch it.
At this point, considering the other team was in the endroom, I didn't figure it was worth continuing to fight and holstered my weapon to wait for the rewards to be granted.
Then I get this PM:
I think there are certain players who are so inflexible that if anyone departs from zergrush full on attack tactics for whatever reason, they get snitty.
I think they assume that someone who isn't fighting, even for a few seconds is being a leech (from their point of view).
In the above scenario, we'd already lost, so why should we keep fighting?
And it isn't the first time I've had to deal with players like this.
1. Someone kept triggering the Thalaron Pulse in KASE and because my ship was highly manoeuvrable/fast, I was able to dodge out of the way. Got attitude for not fighting enough.
2. Dummyspit followed by ragequit when I suggested the team change tactics at the first transformer set in Cure Ground, because zergrushing wasn't working. We'd been at this transformer for 15 minutes and failed the optional......
I hope these are kinds of players aren't common.
I truly cannot comprehend someone who doesn't, as the Borg put it, adapt when circumstances change.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
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That's another reason why I didn't move from where I was standing.
Given that I've never used the consoles, it's best to let someone who knows how to align the colored lines.
If I was to go over there and try myself, I'd probably be interfering with the control sequence.
That's also another example of inflexible thinking, that every player must be an instant expert and know everything to do without ever being told how to do it or learning about it.
And if you happen to ask for an explanation, you're either ignored or insulted.
As an aside, should I be concerned I keep coming up with names for problematic players?
This is the third term I've come up with and the second one within a month.
If you are curious, the other two are Vinegar and Paintballer.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
I could make the requisite 'Don't PUG' remark here, but it would be pointless to do so after seeing your post count. You've been here long enough to know this already. Contact with people like you've described can be discouraging and disappointing. However, it does not happen as often as it appears to. I'm thinking you started this thread as a way for newer players to be forewarned. So they will not stop playing STO due to the bad attitudes of what is actually a very tiny percentage of, ahem, ...'snitheads'
What actually worries me more is the thought these...'snitheads' may have bred children.
Isn't the gene pool shallow enough already?
If I got 1 (euro)cent for each time I've had my intelligence or sexual preference questioned online by someone who himself (and it's pretty much always male) isn't really doing better or worse is the source of the problem, I'd have so much money that I wouldn't have to work and honestly as far as intelligence and manners go STO is one of the better games I've played online, in that in STO I've actually not had that many toxic pugs, some sure but honestly I can't even remember when was the last time a STO pug devolved into name calling and (metaphorical) finger pointing.
Ohh, that one is just a TRIBBLE troll (hope I dont get modded again, but it is TRUE). He allways does that, keeps missalingning to cause ppl to fail. Meet him in a few instances and he allways does that, and if you try to pm him, he puts you on ignore...
"I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
I don't give them the satisfaction of responding to their unthinking aggression ingame.
The point of this thread was to encourage the Brickwallers to think before typing, to look at a situation and have something other then an instinctive intolerant reaction.
Look for the door in the wall, open it and walk through instead of banging your head against the bricks next to it.
And that's why I prefer to PUG, it's an unwritten rule "you take who you get on your team" and accept you may not get the best players.
You want a Pro team, make a Premade group and do not use the PUG system.
However, given the Competitive aspect of the CPvE queues, I suspect it's drawing the worst players towards it, those who are overly emotionally invested in winning.
I've seen at least three impolite statements over the past 2 weeks when the match was being lost to the other team.
So I assume it takes two players to complete the puzzle, one standing on either side, given that there are two colors.
For the record, I came up with the different names to identify categories of problematic players.
Brickwallers and Ragers are the ones most likely to cause problems ingame, typically during team based missions.
Paintballers may cause problems ingame. I've never encountered any ingame, but I think they would inhabit social hubs, because they need an audience to listen to their soapboxing.
Ah I see, they were intentionally sabotaging the team to provoke conflict.
And since I stopped to stare at the unexpected situation, I was chosen as a target.
I'm thinking there should be a downvote system, if a player receives enough negative votes, they're blocked for a month from joining any queue ingame.
It needs to be a harsh penalty, to get them to acknowledge that they have done something really wrong and there are consequences for their actions.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
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Because every puzzle section that your team completes gives you additional competitive marks, even if you lose.
EVER.
And, since you mentioned the borg, they too never give up.
They just get less sober.
A single player can align them just fine as long as someone else isn't turning them the wrong way.
No, there shouldn't.
I see yellers in MIA too. They just get blocked.
Hijacked? LOL. Cute.
Who said anything about sabotage? I said accomplish the objectives. That's not sabotage. The quotes around "doing it wrong" were to emphasize how these types of players have it in their heads that you must play the game their way, or else they fly into a rage. Help me out here, folks. Was this not evident from my original post? Could I have been more clear?
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well first of all you assumed that people know what context is. two you assumed people knew a common indictation. it was, and probably not.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Trying to accomplish an objective is not the same as actually solving the problem, as evident by the issue the OP's post regarding repeated failures during puzzle elements and "zergrushing". Hence the question if you actually were responding to the author and the scenarios they put forward, or if you used the thread to express something outside of that.
Remarking on the behaviors of the types of players the OP is talking about. So, yes, I'd say I was responding relevantly to the author. But now, we're talking about the context of my comments, and not the issue at hand, so let's get back on track.
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This pretty much...some of the most inflexible people I've ever seen in a MMO. Think pew pew will conquer all...happens when you balance a game around nothing at all but dps.
Had a guy yelling at me in KASA like it was my fault he let probes go by when I noticed that objective was failed while I was helping finish the gate on the other side.
My standard MO is to go to the tube entrance and defend it until there are no more attackers left.
While doing this, I will occasionally rotate the camera to see if the shield is down so I can run through the tube as soon as is possible.
This time however, I was so surprised to see something unusual happen, I naturally paused all activity to watch the tube lines and verify it was really happening.
And FYI, all the enemies were defeated, so I didn't actually have anything to do.
Then I looked to the mission progression, Red Team were nearly finished in the boss room and the tube shield was still up, so any further effort was indeed futile.
By the way, nobody has ever complained about me doing this before and I've been doing this for a month now, so I assumed that they accepted the way I chose to play this map.
And I wasn't going to go over to the line consoles and interfere with whatever was going on there, in the past, players have been quite clear regarding console interaction, if you haven't done it before and don't know how, do not, you're just inhibiting the ones who actually know how to solve the puzzle.
But given that the player in question has been identified as actively doing this regularly to sabotage the team to give them a reason to send insulting PMs and adding players who PM back to ingore to avoid being told off indicates they were doing this for the exact purpose of inciting conflict.
The fact I didn't even identify them by handle and they were still recognized says it all.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
You do highlight the issue that people on ignore can still be grouped with the folk who ignored them which seems to be slightly contradictory to the concept of ignoring them in the first place.
As with AFKers in the MI I've ignored one person who runs an engineer for binary circuit who loves to place that barrier down in the most helpful of places as well as other fun things like getting leaping off a platform on the first section to trap a teammate. And yet the ignore is futile as the same @handle keeps being met.
Now as for the OP, as others have pointed out it's at least worth getting through the first three puzzles if possible. The more puzzles you get through, the more marks you get even if you lose. Although in that situation, it sounds like you had someone working against your team, either out of malice or ignorance. Whether you kept shooting NPCs or not, you probably wouldn't have gotten through that puzzle.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I always setup gens then use my sniper to shoot the mobs by the consoles.
I have been yelled at before for correctly aligning the tube segments and then aligning them correctly to have some idiot troll intentionally misaligned them, so you know what i will setup my gens, turrets and mines, and shoot the mobs and let other people rotate them.
Won't get yelled at no more.
Yeah, I find it a bit sad that some players find themselves "needing" to minimize the chat window - the main means of communication you have in a team game.
I have my chat window open all the time. I have rarely seen any rude comments to anyone in the team. In fact, I have not seen any rude comments made in the last month or so. The very few times I have seen someone say something rude in the game, that person making negative comments is usually also the one who doesn't actually know what he is doing.
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