It's TRIBBLE, no matter how much the studio objects.
And I suspect the main reason an STO tie-in hasn't been scheduled is that CBS can't make up their friggin' minds as to when the series might finally premiere.
When I'm talking about things I like about it, like the ship in the new trailer, I'll refer to the show as DSC.
When I'm talking about things I dislike about it, like the design of the "Klingons" and the first ship they showed us, I'll be referring to the show as TRIBBLE.
That's it!!! After not seeing a single episode or the story it tells, I am done with this Series.
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The first episode will be free as it is debuting on CBS. After that it is All Access (US), or Netflix (rest of the world).
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Having seen that trailer I feel all warm and fuzzy and proud that I have never given a single buck to Netflix and now I have a new reason for continuing that principle.
More JJ lens trek, with the added insult of trying to insinuate it into the prime timeline.
I'll forget about (read: repress) it tomorrow.
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Having seen that trailer I feel all warm and fuzzy and proud that I have never given a single buck to Netflix and now I have a new reason for continuing that principle.
More JJ lens trek, with the added insult of trying to insinuate it into the prime timeline.
I'll forget about (read: repress) it tomorrow.
If you've never used Netflix, then IMHO your missing out. Without it, I never would have seen Lost, Breaking Bad, or several other shows I never bothered to watch when they were current, not to mention the awesome originals like Stranger Things.
TRIBBLE...that sounds right...looks like what they did to Star Trek was give it a nasty TRIBBLE.
Every update I see of this show just gets worse and worse...ever since JJTrek they have been taking a deuce after deuce on the Star Trek name.
Holographic communications...wow...amazing how they're doing that 10 years before Kirk when they didn't even start that till the Dominion Wars. (Also looks like they ripped it off from Star Wars)
One ship looks like a D7 made love with a Starfleet vessel and then the abomination called Destiny was born...
The other ship looks completely out of place and looks like they ripped it off from Cryptic designers.
Then these *things* they call Klingons...I can't put into words how messed up they are.
It just looks as time goes on they keep pushing the limits of how much the can defecate on Trek...
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[turns it on]
I just want the Starfleet Uniforms from the show. The rest of it can go pound sand at this point.
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Things I want in STO:
1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
If discovery is a success then it will outlive STO and there'll be a lot of hassle getting any rights as discovery specific games will come out, if it bombs/'1 season success' then there might not be too much demand for that trully horrific ship and non-klingons.
If discovery is a success then it will outlive STO and there'll be a lot of hassle getting any rights as discovery specific games will come out, if it bombs/'1 season success' then there might not be too much demand for that trully horrific ship and non-klingons.
STO is licensed by CBS. CBS owns Discovery. So I wouldnt expect any hassle from them and if STO remains profitable its not going anywhere anytime soon.
Hey thanks for mentioning this series! Probably not as good as the shorts but something worth trying perhaps, especially since TRIBBLE looks like it's been designed to be unwatchable.
No thanks. You know this franchise is in trouble when the Seth MacFarlane Star Trek parody sitcom on FOX (The Orville) looks more like a real Star Trek series than the new "official" Star Trek series.
Discovery looks like something that was vomited up by the special effects team that worked on the Transformers movies ... and then some idiot executive at CBS said, "Throw the words 'Vulcan' and 'Klingon' into the script and call it 'Star Trek' so we can sell this trash to idiot fanboys."
If this is the future of Star Trek Online then I'll quit playing now while this game still resembles the Star Trek I've loved since I was 6 years old.
Klingons in this time period should look like this, if I'm not mistaken. (They were going for the Mongolian horde look).
So I wonder how they ended up with this instead:
Random mutation, small Klingon sect that tried to restore their former appearance, Klingons who successfully evaded the mutagenic virus...???
Though I wish the trailer didn't look so much like JJ Trek, I'm curious to see more.
Looks like some klingons went on shore leave in brazil and got the zika virus and had kids O.o
Looks more like Krall hooked up with a Xindi insectoid in Brazil instead.
It's the Kelvin Timeline treatment of the Klingon Augment Virus. Mutant zombie apocalypse. They'll probably start sprouting tentacles halfway through the first season.
Looking forward to it - There will never be a new series of ST aimed at the purist fans needs as it probably wouldnt last more than 2 episodes before they pulled the plug on the season.
Like the new movies you have to put bums on seats or in TV get numbers watching for peak advertising revenues - Its that or no new star trek. So I respect what JJ has done (even though its not fully to my taste) and am willing to give this a chance
I still half expect though it will bomb and be cancelled
I still say locking behind a subscription service is a HUGE mistake. It's going to be the most pirated ST series ever, then the suits will blame the tanking ratings and not their own appallingly dumb $trategy when they cancel it.
Looking forward to it - There will never be a new series of ST aimed at the purist fans needs as it probably wouldnt last more than 2 episodes before they pulled the plug on the season.
Like the new movies you have to put bums on seats or in TV get numbers watching for peak advertising revenues - Its that or no new star trek. So I respect what JJ has done (even though its not fully to my taste) and am willing to give this a chance
I still half expect though it will bomb and be cancelled
Looking forward to it - There will never be a new series of ST aimed at the purist fans needs as it probably wouldnt last more than 2 episodes before they pulled the plug on the season.
Like the new movies you have to put bums on seats or in TV get numbers watching for peak advertising revenues - Its that or no new star trek. So I respect what JJ has done (even though its not fully to my taste) and am willing to give this a chance
I still half expect though it will bomb and be cancelled
What, exactly, do you consider to not be family friendly about the information released up until now?
Sadly, Discovery looks like it's being driven by corporate meddling from executives that don't care or know much about the brand beyond the idea that the Kelvin movies are what people know right now. Every rumor that's come out about production has painted it as a nightmare.
Fans are ready to reject it, because it's been a very long time since there's been a "proper" Trek series. Enterprise wasn't it, as it came during the "dirty sci fi" TV era. Voyager spent more time being a silly action series than actually discussing politics or philosophy, due to the old TNG "writing family" being broken up over time in favor of Brennan and Braga's choice picks. So in a lot of ways, there hasn't been recognizable Trek since DS9, nearly 20 years ago.
If fans do reject it and the series fails, it'll be catastrophic, as Netflix is funding it and breathing down CBS' neck. CBS doesn't even want to make it, and will certainly shelve the idea of a TV series forever if it does fall through. Yet if it does succeed, we'll just get more JJ-inspired nonsense. Not to mention potentially ruined canon, since they know people will reject non-Prime, yet they're insisting on ignoring continuity, designs and established technology and also insisting on making yet another prequel. Why everyone obsessed over the idea that the general TOS era is the most marketable one, I have no idea. Either way, I hope it's only mildly disappointing, because this bad swing is Trek's last at bat for an actual series.
Had they said the new show would take place during STO's timeline, then release the trailer, I'd be hyped. I'd be like...so this is what 2409 looks like, not too shabby!
Fans are ready to reject it, because it's been a very long time since there's been a "proper" Trek series. Enterprise wasn't it, as it came during the "dirty sci fi" TV era. Voyager spent more time being a silly action series than actually discussing politics or philosophy, due to the old TNG "writing family" being broken up over time in favor of Brennan and Braga's choice picks. So in a lot of ways, there hasn't been recognizable Trek since DS9, nearly 20 years ago. .
DS9 flipped the format on its head and spent a lot more time dealing with season-arcing personal drama than the larger (more generalized) questions that TNG tended to focused on episode-to-episode, especially during the later seasons. You could (if you wanted to reflex a personal opinion as a sweeping dictate of the masses, which I don't see as a productive exercise) argue that it wasn't "proper trek" either (dark, moody, and not much to do with space exploration, to play devil's advocate), and I'm sure the point was made when TNG/TOS fans were approaching the new series with their rigid expectations. You could also repeat the exercise with TNG following TOS.
Basically, if you entertain the question that there is an absolute "proper Trek" then you have to exclude everything besides TOS (because no series perfectly emulated the style and content of this series, though arguably Enterprise came closest in the first two seasons. See. Dear Doctor.) If you don't, then you're making special allowances and to do that for some series but not others (when the question is simply their flavor of deviation from the TOS "norm") is a very personal choice (which others, like myself, won't follow because we respect the fact of divergent viewpoints. We'll keep to ours while you go your own way.)
But then even within TOS, there's incredible variation that bounces between different genres of Sci-fi, episode to episode (it's difficult to reconcile Trouble with Tribbles and City of the Edge of Forever, except that they were both made for the same TV show). The point here is that there has never been a single, recognizable " Proper Trek" (except as it relates to personal dogma). There've just been many attempts to create space-based sci-fi with at least a touch of introspection. A shared universe gives a sense of continuity, and writers over generations have now used that as a platform for sci-fi story telling.
Discovery is no different. It's simply the latest iteration.
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Oh no...it's different alright. The other series for examples, other than enterprise is moving forwards in time. So the advancement of the tech look makes sense. The other series other than enterprise is moving forwards in time so the changes to races can make sense. The other series other than enterprise is moving forwards in time so anything that happens in the series does not muck up what has happened before. This is why, we haven't had real trek since voyager ended.
You may want to look again at what quality I'm referring to by saying "Discovery is no different." It's not that it's an invariant re-hammering of old principles and styles. It is making significant changes, that's why it's no different (in approach, at some level) from previous iterations of Star Trek. Each has been shaped by its own writing, cultural context, and production limitations.
Also, stuff changing as you move forward with time suggests quite strongly that things should also change as you move backwards in time as well. Otherwise you're going to get some truly weird temporal effects.
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they are klingons... the original series look was limited due to $ and technology at the time... which is why when the movies and came out we had the ridge look. also going black/dark face is not very pc these days... even if you were to dress up in Halloween, you'd get slaughtered. this is pre-kirk so pre augment look?
they are klingons... the original series look was limited due to $ and technology at the time... which is why when the movies and came out we had the ridge look. also going black/dark face is not very pc these days... even if you were to dress up in Halloween, you'd get slaughtered. this is pre-kirk so pre augment look?
We saw pre-augment virus Klingons in Enterprise, they look exactly like TNG Klingons.
From what I read hear, I guess Enterprise should have been filmed in Black and White and use salt shakers (or something more primitive as a prop) as medical tricorders. TOS tried to update any digital background stuff that they could with the digital remastering in 2009 or whatever.
Star Wars also remastered itself from first showing, but there only so much you can do. For something contemporaneous to Star Trek, check out the consoles and such from 2001: A Space Odyssey.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
You can't have the sets look less modern than the stuff found in the average western living room today, nor can you build your sets with the expectation that the low-res broadcast will mask any flaws.
You can't have the sets look less modern than the stuff found in the average western living room today, nor can you build your sets with the expectation that the low-res broadcast will mask any flaws.
Right...but NOBODY IS SAYING THAT THEY SHOULD DO THAT.
You are if you're demanding a TOS aesthetic in a 2017 series.
For frak sake, stop with the strawman. Look at axanar. It looks like ToS trek, yet you mean to tell me that looks like a cardboard set made with stuff from a living room? That was what they should have done with this series if they wanted it set in ToS era. If they wanted whatever it is they spewed out for TRIBBLE, they should have set it decades in the future after voyager.
Axanar died on the vine, and it's not coming back. Let it go. TOS wouldn't look like "TOS" if it were made today, either.
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And I suspect the main reason an STO tie-in hasn't been scheduled is that CBS can't make up their friggin' minds as to when the series might finally premiere.
When I'm talking about things I like about it, like the ship in the new trailer, I'll refer to the show as DSC.
When I'm talking about things I dislike about it, like the design of the "Klingons" and the first ship they showed us, I'll be referring to the show as TRIBBLE.
Bridge = Enterprise + JJ'Verse vomit fest.
Crew = Decent except for the guy who senses death. That is just silly even for Star Trek.
Klingons = How in the world could you mess up Klingons? I mean seriously how?! They look like Na'kuhl with extra ridges and the JJ KDF mask.
Thumbs down for the new series. They could have something going but they really fumbled a lot of things for a stated prime universe based show.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
More JJ lens trek, with the added insult of trying to insinuate it into the prime timeline.
I'll forget about (read: repress) it tomorrow.
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If you've never used Netflix, then IMHO your missing out. Without it, I never would have seen Lost, Breaking Bad, or several other shows I never bothered to watch when they were current, not to mention the awesome originals like Stranger Things.
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[turns it on]
Looks like some klingons went on shore leave in brazil and got the zika virus and had kids O.o
Things I want in STO:
1) More character customization options such as more clothing options, letting the toon complexion affect the entire body, not just the head. Also a true RGB color picker applied to all costume and appearance options, which would allow for true appearance customization and homogenous colors instead of "this same exact color looks vastly different on two different pieces."
2) Bridge customization, not bridge packs. Let us pick a general layout and adjust the color palette, console appearance, and chair types, as well as more ready room layout options.
3) Customizable ground weapons, i.e. The aesthetic look of phaser dual pistols but they shoot antiproton bolts. For obvious reasons this would only apply to standard ground weapons.
4) For the love of Q please revamp Plasma Ground Weapons. They look like demented Supersoakers right now.
5) True Vanity Impulse and Deflector effects similar to Vanity Shields.
6) A greater payout for hitting T6 Reputations. Currently it takes more time and resources to get from T5 to T6 than it does to get from nothing to T5. Make that grind really pay out at the end.
7) Mirrorverse Refugee event similar to AoY/Delta/Gamma, complete with new Mirrorverse recruits for all factions.
8) Independent Faction, because yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for me!
STO is licensed by CBS. CBS owns Discovery. So I wouldnt expect any hassle from them and if STO remains profitable its not going anywhere anytime soon.
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Looks more like Krall hooked up with a Xindi insectoid in Brazil instead.
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Like the new movies you have to put bums on seats or in TV get numbers watching for peak advertising revenues - Its that or no new star trek. So I respect what JJ has done (even though its not fully to my taste) and am willing to give this a chance
I still half expect though it will bomb and be cancelled
What, exactly, do you consider to not be family friendly about the information released up until now?
Fans are ready to reject it, because it's been a very long time since there's been a "proper" Trek series. Enterprise wasn't it, as it came during the "dirty sci fi" TV era. Voyager spent more time being a silly action series than actually discussing politics or philosophy, due to the old TNG "writing family" being broken up over time in favor of Brennan and Braga's choice picks. So in a lot of ways, there hasn't been recognizable Trek since DS9, nearly 20 years ago.
If fans do reject it and the series fails, it'll be catastrophic, as Netflix is funding it and breathing down CBS' neck. CBS doesn't even want to make it, and will certainly shelve the idea of a TV series forever if it does fall through. Yet if it does succeed, we'll just get more JJ-inspired nonsense. Not to mention potentially ruined canon, since they know people will reject non-Prime, yet they're insisting on ignoring continuity, designs and established technology and also insisting on making yet another prequel. Why everyone obsessed over the idea that the general TOS era is the most marketable one, I have no idea. Either way, I hope it's only mildly disappointing, because this bad swing is Trek's last at bat for an actual series.
DS9 flipped the format on its head and spent a lot more time dealing with season-arcing personal drama than the larger (more generalized) questions that TNG tended to focused on episode-to-episode, especially during the later seasons. You could (if you wanted to reflex a personal opinion as a sweeping dictate of the masses, which I don't see as a productive exercise) argue that it wasn't "proper trek" either (dark, moody, and not much to do with space exploration, to play devil's advocate), and I'm sure the point was made when TNG/TOS fans were approaching the new series with their rigid expectations. You could also repeat the exercise with TNG following TOS.
Basically, if you entertain the question that there is an absolute "proper Trek" then you have to exclude everything besides TOS (because no series perfectly emulated the style and content of this series, though arguably Enterprise came closest in the first two seasons. See. Dear Doctor.) If you don't, then you're making special allowances and to do that for some series but not others (when the question is simply their flavor of deviation from the TOS "norm") is a very personal choice (which others, like myself, won't follow because we respect the fact of divergent viewpoints. We'll keep to ours while you go your own way.)
But then even within TOS, there's incredible variation that bounces between different genres of Sci-fi, episode to episode (it's difficult to reconcile Trouble with Tribbles and City of the Edge of Forever, except that they were both made for the same TV show). The point here is that there has never been a single, recognizable " Proper Trek" (except as it relates to personal dogma). There've just been many attempts to create space-based sci-fi with at least a touch of introspection. A shared universe gives a sense of continuity, and writers over generations have now used that as a platform for sci-fi story telling.
Discovery is no different. It's simply the latest iteration.
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You may want to look again at what quality I'm referring to by saying "Discovery is no different." It's not that it's an invariant re-hammering of old principles and styles. It is making significant changes, that's why it's no different (in approach, at some level) from previous iterations of Star Trek. Each has been shaped by its own writing, cultural context, and production limitations.
Also, stuff changing as you move forward with time suggests quite strongly that things should also change as you move backwards in time as well. Otherwise you're going to get some truly weird temporal effects.
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We saw pre-augment virus Klingons in Enterprise, they look exactly like TNG Klingons.
Star Wars also remastered itself from first showing, but there only so much you can do. For something contemporaneous to Star Trek, check out the consoles and such from 2001: A Space Odyssey.
As far as Enterprise is concerned, I liked it as the best or just slightly behind TOS. While we were introduced to Elachi, Romulans, and Ferengi, we (as in-show Characters) don't know what they look like (Romulans), or if we did see them, who they actually were. Enterprise did not disrupt the Timeline©®, other than when the in-story line was about the Timeline©® and the machinations about it, with all settling back in in the end.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
You are if you're demanding a TOS aesthetic in a 2017 series.
Axanar died on the vine, and it's not coming back. Let it go. TOS wouldn't look like "TOS" if it were made today, either.