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Balance changes..........TYKENS DRAINING OVER 100 SUB/SEC
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I find it quite surprising that this small detail managed to escape the devs attention. How on earth is this balanced in any shape or form if it cant be even be cleared.......
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Thanks for responding, I can see the dev didn't take any notice of either of our posts, this is very disappointing to say the least........
I hope that they can provide some input into these threads
Nerfing should never be done, balance is only important in PvP and no one does PvP in STO, right?
At least that was the conventional wisdom if I'm not mistaken.
No effect, still drained to 0 in all subsystems and it takes ages to get the power back over 0 despite being outside Tyken's range.
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The change I could see here would be either a base-line change to the boff ability "emite unstable warp bubble", or adding a doff/trait that would cause it to collapse anomalies around the user early at the cost of taking a spike of kinetic damage from each collapsed anomaly. An if it were allowed to be used even with sub-system power at zero would be a nice change, that players would need to play around over a nerf that might fully render an ability largely useless.
What's wrong with providing content directed as smaller portions of the communities? Seems like a smart thing to do, IMHO.
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Having a single NPC ability deplete your power (or ability to react to such) almost instantly while leveling is excessive. But like Hyperonic Radiation I am getting the impression that the developers here at Cryptic want us to die suddenly and unexpectedly to gimmick NPC abilities. Perhaps that's what makes the game interesting.
Tractor Beam Repulsors: Nerfed
Gravity Well: Nerfed
Feed Back Pulse: Nerfed
Plasma Embassy Consoles: Nerfed
Photonic Shockwave: Buffed but still useless
Tykrens Rift: Nerf's being called for it. (TBF it is over performing)
What's Science in space got going for it since the rebalance other than drain ?.
I'm starting to feel like a few years ago where what's the point of rolling Sci ?, as all their space magic is becoming just a light show.
Tact has all these to buff damage.
Attack Pattern Alpha
Go Down Fighting (With Good Day To Die)
Tactical Fleet
Fire on My Mark
Science's space magic was a leveler of sorts, but nah, nerf um. Turn Science back to a healer and therefore in a DPS centric game where its kill or be killed make Science obsolete again.
PvP and PvE cannot be truly balanced
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Are we really back to this argument again, that if Sci cant DPS then they are useless.
Tractor Beam Repulsors: Requires good Placement, and is useful is keeping things away to complete Objectives.
Gravity Well: Again a well Place GW sucking up the Map, So you tacts can make things go boom
Feed Back Pulse: Nerfed, well good, should have never had gone over 100% reflected damage
Plasma Embassy Consoles: Balanced, people were exploited it to do more dps
Photonic Shockwave: Not useless, GW a group and fly in for a shockwave for an AoE disable, how is that useless
Tykrens Rift: Not OP, no need for a nerf, and using it as a combo with another player using a Proper GW is amazing
Again this just boils down to 3 things.
1. People Just don't understand what Sci abilities do.
2. Sci is not a DPS class, if you wanna do DPS, Roll a Tact.
3. DPS of an ability does define how good or not an ability is
Stop Trying to be a one trick Pony, click one skill to make things go boom. Science requires good placement and awareness of the map. I laugh very time some wannabe Sci player GW the far left of NPC group only to grab a 3rd of the NPCs instead of using the GW in the middle, or the lack knowledge they have and using SCI combos.
While I agree that Sci abilities are far from useless/obsolete (just played Gravity Kills for example, TR is very useful to reduce Tzenkethi weapon output which can hit quite hard), in a game where almost every mission boils down to 'kill stuff' it's not surprising that people expect at least some parity between classes with regard to killing potential. Which is measured in DPS of course.
Some of the newer missions like Gravity Kills, or the new Competetive PvE ones may require less of a DPS/killing potential focus for every career, but these are really exceptional cases. In the case of many older missions it's not hard to see why people are arguing against reduced damage for Science abilities as damage is simply needed to complete the objectives there.
So..I fly a EPG drain boat.. With the Change to control amplification, I didnt notice the damagge drop as much for the EPG abilites:
Tractor Beam Repulsors: Nerfed -
sure but the control amp -25 exotic reistance helps with its damage..
Gravity Well: Nerfed - Sure but I really only use this tor bring stuff together using a 5 km sphere and AOW the heck outtta it..
Feed Back Pulse: Nerfed -
This is the only one I felt was OVER nerfed..As it cant be buffed with exotic or all damage abilities, cant crit (doesn't benefit from PM),No severity, and it got capped at all levels so that only FBP3 can be at 100%.. I think All 3 should have the maximum potential of 100% reflect but remove the 50% shield pen and allow the max to go from 100% to 150% for fbp3...Maybe only giving sci ships (like they did with perception) the option to have teh 100% FBP1 -150% Fbp3 max reflect option.
Plasma Embassy Consoles: Nerfed -
Meh...
Photonic Shockwave: Buffed but still useless --
I kinda like this one
Tykrens Rift: Nerf's being called for it. (TBF it is over performing) --
So..maybe Introducing another trait like Greedy emitters would work...or simply a 3 sec lock out for sub drain once hazards is applied..
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While I agree it was exploited because it can do heavy damage, I think they went overboard, and there is little use for these consoles right now. An exotic, control or drain build is better served by Research Consoles either for their double bonus to Drain or Control, or their damage buff to exotics.
Kinda shows your bias here. I know you love your drains (and I admire what people like you or @lucho80 can do with them), but when people are pushing 1000+ DrainX with Tykens able to completely drain subsystems in a single tick, I think we can say that this is overperforming.
In the words of Borticus (in Priority One Podcast), they would want to limit spikes or outliers. This is one of them. In the same way you called several EPG (both Science and Temporal) OP, I think you should maintain your objectivity here.
I'm not a fan of this argument. In fact, a Tac can do a much better Drain build than a Sci, because while they cannot reach the peak Drain a Sci can, with the current Tyken's, it doesn't matter. After that drain, they also have the damage capability to finish off targets swiftly.
Besides, it's much more fun to chase DPS as an underdog Sci.
Again, not a fan of this. Isn't a dedicated drain build also a one-trick pony in essence due to the amount of specialization and investment needed to make a good one?
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I'm starting to wonder something, like if we have a text issue here, with my thoughts stemming largely from how a DrainX 90 build is actively resisting DrainX 371 Tykens III. I know it's not much, but perhaps it would make more sense if it was worded as 'can drain up to x power per subsystem, with y tick per second, pre resist'. I can totally see a Tykens pulling up to 100 power before a targets resist and still being absolutely fine, balanced and workable. 100 per second is another thing entirely, obviously. So, has anyone else attempted to test this and be certain?
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I think maybe you need to look at the pve/pvp and pvp queues, hundreds of new pvp players, but what is going to happen when people start exploiting these abilities, we end up in square one, People get fed up and quit. This game really needed a reboot and this is exactly what it needed, but how is it going to work if they wont even acknowledge the problems, sort 90% of issues but leave 10% so vastly op that its an I win button. This isn't the only power that is completely broken and a new thread will follow
When it it hurts the vast majority of players it is a bad thing. Rebalence for PVP has had a negative effect on most players Sci got hurt, Tac got hurt all to appease the whining PVP faction. PVP needs to be spun off onto it's on server with no influence on PVE or changed to all premade and pre stationed ships so it is a level playing field not influnced by builds but rather a true contest of player skills not a contest of wallets or builds.
I like objectivity, not so much interested in someone's opinion unless you have hard numbers to prove me otherwise. Also the single and duo queues have been 10x busier than normal and those don't give you rep marks.
Also making a good build is part of the fun for many pvpers so I disagree here too, but respect your opinion.
Sci is good for debuffs and it still got a dmg buff in the new meta. PvP is healthy for a game like this and it needs it. Also don't see the issue, why don't you just roll a tac if you want to do dmg ?
Anything that cant be cleared by abilities is op, it doesn't take any skill to use it with lukari t4 and watch the players subs fail one by one, at least what they can do is make it clearable or have a cap vs players, then at least attacking player needs to use other skills and abilities to try and hold down opponent. Make it a skill that takes skill to use, not I win buttons like entropic, but the shield re-frequencer issue is far grater than this even
Hello rubber banding my old friend, time to bounce around the battlezone again, where are all my bug reports going?, out of love with this game I am falling, As Cryptic fail to acknowledge a problem exists, Shakes an angry fist, And from Support all I'm hearing are the sounds of silence.