That is the answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything.......in STO.
The question is, What do you get if you multiply 8 x 8?
I always thought something was fundamentally wrong with STO.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
can anyone tell us more about the possible new area?
Please?
Basically, as far as I know from the current build, the extension is currently impassable due to the Non-playable space volume not removed. However, there are some ways around this either by being in a fleet and transwarping to the area, or being near the edge of the map when you transfer your character from the live server.
As for the map itself, there's not a whole lot to say. You can stop by each star, though there's nothing really to do there.
can anyone tell us more about the possible new area?
Please?
Basically, as far as I know from the current build, the extension is currently impassable due to the Non-playable space volume not removed. However, there are some ways around this either by being in a fleet and transwarping to the area, or being near the edge of the map when you transfer your character from the live server.
As for the map itself, there's not a whole lot to say. You can stop by each star, though there's nothing really to do there.
So far anyways. Time will tell what they will add later.
To sum up, Star Trek at its core is based around exploring and discovering the unknown and there is nothing you have said or could possibly say that will change that. It's right there in the opening mission statement that ran at the opening of every TOS and TNG episode and featured in most of the films. Come on, say it with me:
"To seek out new life, and new civilizations... to boldly go where no one has gone before".
Oh he knows this, he just doesn't care. As far as he is concerned the only way something new could contribute depth to the lore is if it were featured on a show first. It's perfectly OK if STO makes up something new for the Klingons, because they're just adding something to a pre-established species, but if they make up something entirely new, like the Deferi, then they've crossed some kind of a line. He basically doesn't want STO contributing anything original because it's a Star Trek game and therefor it should only include stuff that was previously featured in Star Trek, which is just asinine.
STO: A creation of Cryptic using Star Trek unvierse elements to tell a story of Cryptic(fan) make, using original characters, that is not canon
STO, by all definitions, qualifies under Fan Fiction.
To portray Cryptic as merely 'fans' is just silly. I'm sure the Devs are Star Trek fans, but Cryptiv, as an entity, is a business, using licensed Trek material (and, in turn, is itself licensed to do so).
Whether STO qualifies as canon, probably yes. For one, because it's licensed (thus 'officially' sanctioned).
And 'using Star Trek unvierse elements to tell a story', in and by itself, doesn't make STO fan fiction. Pretty much every official Trek story told after TOS does the same.
2/3. I have everything to support that. In that, like all licensed material, STO is 100% non-canon, just like all the novels. The only things that have ever been stated to be canon are the TV shows, movies, and certain word of god comments from Gene and CBS directly. Soft canon still means non canon. Just because they could possibly make it canon later doesn't change the fact that, until they do, it is 100% non canon. As for character names, I said nothing of the sort. Don't lie(though you seen habitually prone to do so)
You just did it again. confusing what is with what you want it to be.
it is canon if it is a licensed part of the franchise - Period.
type of canon doesn't matter.
to be non-canon it would have to be fanfiction.
STO is not fanfiction, as it is a licensed BUSINESS under the star trek franchise.
since another company has bought the rights to the name Star Trek, they can decide what to include under the franchise name or to dismiss. Dismissed concepts and old properties are still part of the canon or franchise, as they were licensed works. Something that has been previously licensed may be outside the accepted/recognized mainstream of licensed works, but that doesn't remove it once it was licensed and published. It still exists. It is still a part of the franchise, just not part of the core group.
FanFiction is NOT a licensed work.
Either you really don't understand the basic mechanics involved with a franchise, or you're being purposely dense about this subject.
Just to be clear, anything Cryptic creates and adds to STO under the Star Trek license is now part of the Star Trek franchise. Whether you agree with it or not. This makes it part of the canon, even if it is not a main part or widely accepted as such. Just like novels.
Your ignorant comment concerning novels and games being fanfiction by calling them non-canon simply is about as incorrect as a person who does not work in publishing could ever be and a legal liability for those who do. I'd ask that you work with me in the publishing side of the world for awhile, but the people I work with would tear you apart for calling a licensed, published work 'fanfiction'.
A great example of this outside the Star Trek universe would be with the book Shades of Gray. It started out as FanFiction using the characters from the Twilight series. It got so popular that the author of the book, changed the characters, rewrote a couple of things and after dumping all the non-humans, published it as their own work. It became really popular. Even made a movie about it. In the end, it started out as FanFiction, but once published, it no longer was.
Now, if you ment it is not a part of the 'core' canon, then by your own definition that would place it as 'soft canon'. You can't call something one form of canon or another and in the same breathe say it's not.
Didn't we just have a discussion that CBS, the only people who can determine canon for their IP, have in fact RETRACTED the only guideline that ever existed?
Canon is what they care to say it is. FULL STOP. And right now they don't choose to say anything. At least not to fans. They continue to give very specific guidance to their licensees (such as sending out specific instructions about the official size of the KT Enterprise in all media, directly overriding some scenes seen on screen). And presumably the writing room over at the new series gets some boundaries imposed.
Sorry if you're not in the loop. You're not meant to be. But please, do go on smashing headcanon and the desperate, dogmatic clinging to the former Screen-is-God rule against each other like continental plates grinding. The fantasy that some sort of coherent setting will stumble out of the detritus of that impact is hilarious.
alas poor thread topic.... you died so young.... murdered by the same inane drivel that has murdered so many before you.... but know that you will not be the last to die in such a fashion.... soon you shall have plenty more company.
In other news still have plenty of popcorn for sale, runnin low on nachos tho.
"Berengaria: Strategically important Federation colony world, home to 200 meter long fire breathing dragon creatures(ENT: "Bound")(TOS: "This Side of Paradise")(DS9: "In the Cards")"
Gigantic 200 meter long fire-breathing space combat pet plz Cryptic. Put some shield generator and exoskeleton with impulse engine on it.
Hast thou not gone against sincerity
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
1. the 'official' star trek canon policy you're quoting is two things: (A) Defunct and no longer applies; and (B) did not come from the company that actually controls Star Trek now.
2. Ignoring everything else, Licensed material can not be FanFiction. Authorized fanfiction is just that fanfiction: it is NOT licensed or owned by a company with a license under the Star Trek umbrella. Licensed products are part of the company, aka: the franchise, aka: part of the canon . As stated before, it can be dismissed, but it can not be removed.
3. the wiki page citation you're pointing to is out of date, since that thing it's referring to is again, obsolete. It does not mean it applies just because it is the last one you've seen. In fact, this is the most recent CBS policy on Star Trek Canon: "Later changes to the Star Trek website acknowledges that this definition is not set in stone, but that the notion of what constitutes canon in Star Trek is fluid, open to interpretation and debate.[2] The most recent iteration of the website has removed all references to a canon policy.". This last, by the way, is more recent than the 'official' line you keep repeating.
4. Ah hell! I can't be bothered. go back and read what a dozen or more people have told you about the differences between fanfiction, licensed products, and what a license does to a franchise which includes things such as X-men/Star Trek (just so you know).
There you go with more blatant factual inaccuracies. The SWEU in fact WAS canon,
No it wasn't.
Lucas himself said the only things he considered canon were the movies, and even once said he considered all the books to be in their own separate unvierse.
SWEU was canon. It was dismissed and relabeled SWEU after Disney bought up the rights. They did this to give themselves complete control of the product and remove possible competition and conflicts. and it is STILL canon, just not the one listed by Disney. If the issue comes up in court dealing with the licensing of said products and whether or not they are part of SW, then Disney would loose the case. Once part of a licensed franchise, it stays. It can only be moved around, such as SWEU was when Disney called it a separate universe.
non-canon = fanfiction.
I repeat: no licensed product can be fan-fiction.
this is a legal issue and not open for debate. Ignore it if you want, but please stop mangling it.
"Berengaria: Strategically important Federation colony world, home to 200 meter long fire breathing dragon creatures(ENT: "Bound")(TOS: "This Side of Paradise")(DS9: "In the Cards")"
Gigantic 200 meter long fire-breathing space combat pet plz Cryptic. Put some shield generator and exoskeleton with impulse engine on it.
Yeah, we saw something kinda similar in TAS.
Oh wait that one wasn't real.
while less imposing that one was a living thing.
All of us know the game is not perfect none r but taco and his group do pretty good job. considering the parameters that they have to work with. And the time constraints and dead lines that they have to try to meet for release dates. Ive always found it a nice bonus that some systems out of blue will ask if u want to patrol this system. and until they get an entire new set of servers at once or if they have a system that can b revamped in phases r bye my estimation pushing the limit prob of some of there current servers. Althought i do like going onto red shirt and having entire game to myself im only one on it most time does presents challenges for completing rep and no zen store just more of challenge for my one toon left on it how i dont know but i enjoy all 3 servers darkblades aka leader 4 armadas and 3beta flts.Which players of mutiple flts are streched to find dill resources for all of them think the days of toons with mutiple flts is numberd. But i do anticipate in influx of players if and when new series is released.My thanks to forums for once again keeping us up to date.
Actually it has been stated many times that CBS has to approve every piece of content added to STO so clearly they do in fact pay attention to more than just a few small details.
Actually, its been stated several times that Cryptic does basically whatever they want, passing it by CBS, who hand waves most everything as OK.
Its exactly like any novel. They ask if they can make a novel, CBS says yes, they make the novel, CBS skims through it, and 99% of the time goes "print it", and prints it.
CBS doesn't have the desire, let alone time, to sit through every piece of licensed material and directly approve every little thing(outside of what happens in the canon TV shows/movies).
That isn't how ANY series works, especially any large series like Star Trek, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings.
this is dead wrong ( especially the last bit ) .It's a known fact the Tolkien estate has - on numerous occasions - blocked stuff from appearing b/c it wasn't in line with the lore . SWTOR can't do s**t without the licensors ok-ing it ( this has been stated numerous times by the devs at SWTOR ..they have contact with the IP-owners on a regular basis ) and I'm pretty sure the same will apply to Star Trek ( not b/c they like to spend time on it but because of the value of the license ) . You can be pretty sure that Cryptic has to confer with owners of the IP whenever they plan an expansion . If they don't then they'd lose the license ,it's a simple as that .The mere fact the ST license is so valuable made PWE buy Cryptic in the first place ( not to mention the D&D license ...)
Please forgive the show's writers for they know not what they do.
Lithium Cracking Station Vulcanians 450 Photon Torpedoes to take down a Constitution's Shields. UESPA Vulcan has no Moons ... etc.
Just because it was on-screen doesn't mean it is correct 'canon'. Writers made this up as they went along. There were inconsistencies that can't be explained away. And yes, this being a fully licensed product, it is NOT fan-fiction. PERIOD.
Now to the matter at hand. For the love of God, please stop!!! Isn't this Thread about the new Map on Tribble? Can we get this back on topic? The Map.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I'd love to see more unprompted exploration in the new area.
Fly up to a system and get the prompt to enter.
Explore the systems..
1) Find patrols to fight off for survival.
2) Find ancient wreckage to explore. (recover R&D recipes, items). Clues to possible quest locations.
3) Find explorable planets.
Explore Planets
1) Find peaceful inhabitants, local quest/rep hubs.
2) Find ancient ruins. Puzzles. Automated defenses. (recover R&D recipes, items). Clues to possible quest locations.
3) Enemy inhabitants. Ground battles, recover tech
Something non-scripted where you would need to actually explore without being spoon fed where to go and what to do.
Comments
your arguments, which are too numerous to list. without using these exact words, you have, indeed, stated exactly this.
That is the answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything.......in STO.
The question is, What do you get if you multiply 8 x 8?
I always thought something was fundamentally wrong with STO.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Basically, as far as I know from the current build, the extension is currently impassable due to the Non-playable space volume not removed. However, there are some ways around this either by being in a fleet and transwarping to the area, or being near the edge of the map when you transfer your character from the live server.
As for the map itself, there's not a whole lot to say. You can stop by each star, though there's nothing really to do there.
My character Tsin'xing
Oh he knows this, he just doesn't care. As far as he is concerned the only way something new could contribute depth to the lore is if it were featured on a show first. It's perfectly OK if STO makes up something new for the Klingons, because they're just adding something to a pre-established species, but if they make up something entirely new, like the Deferi, then they've crossed some kind of a line. He basically doesn't want STO contributing anything original because it's a Star Trek game and therefor it should only include stuff that was previously featured in Star Trek, which is just asinine.
To portray Cryptic as merely 'fans' is just silly. I'm sure the Devs are Star Trek fans, but Cryptiv, as an entity, is a business, using licensed Trek material (and, in turn, is itself licensed to do so).
Whether STO qualifies as canon, probably yes. For one, because it's licensed (thus 'officially' sanctioned).
And 'using Star Trek unvierse elements to tell a story', in and by itself, doesn't make STO fan fiction. Pretty much every official Trek story told after TOS does the same.
You just did it again. confusing what is with what you want it to be.
it is canon if it is a licensed part of the franchise - Period.
type of canon doesn't matter.
to be non-canon it would have to be fanfiction.
STO is not fanfiction, as it is a licensed BUSINESS under the star trek franchise.
since another company has bought the rights to the name Star Trek, they can decide what to include under the franchise name or to dismiss. Dismissed concepts and old properties are still part of the canon or franchise, as they were licensed works. Something that has been previously licensed may be outside the accepted/recognized mainstream of licensed works, but that doesn't remove it once it was licensed and published. It still exists. It is still a part of the franchise, just not part of the core group.
FanFiction is NOT a licensed work.
Either you really don't understand the basic mechanics involved with a franchise, or you're being purposely dense about this subject.
Just to be clear, anything Cryptic creates and adds to STO under the Star Trek license is now part of the Star Trek franchise. Whether you agree with it or not. This makes it part of the canon, even if it is not a main part or widely accepted as such. Just like novels.
Your ignorant comment concerning novels and games being fanfiction by calling them non-canon simply is about as incorrect as a person who does not work in publishing could ever be and a legal liability for those who do. I'd ask that you work with me in the publishing side of the world for awhile, but the people I work with would tear you apart for calling a licensed, published work 'fanfiction'.
A great example of this outside the Star Trek universe would be with the book Shades of Gray. It started out as FanFiction using the characters from the Twilight series. It got so popular that the author of the book, changed the characters, rewrote a couple of things and after dumping all the non-humans, published it as their own work. It became really popular. Even made a movie about it. In the end, it started out as FanFiction, but once published, it no longer was.
Now, if you ment it is not a part of the 'core' canon, then by your own definition that would place it as 'soft canon'. You can't call something one form of canon or another and in the same breathe say it's not.
Didn't we just have a discussion that CBS, the only people who can determine canon for their IP, have in fact RETRACTED the only guideline that ever existed?
Canon is what they care to say it is. FULL STOP. And right now they don't choose to say anything. At least not to fans. They continue to give very specific guidance to their licensees (such as sending out specific instructions about the official size of the KT Enterprise in all media, directly overriding some scenes seen on screen). And presumably the writing room over at the new series gets some boundaries imposed.
Sorry if you're not in the loop. You're not meant to be. But please, do go on smashing headcanon and the desperate, dogmatic clinging to the former Screen-is-God rule against each other like continental plates grinding. The fantasy that some sort of coherent setting will stumble out of the detritus of that impact is hilarious.
In other news still have plenty of popcorn for sale, runnin low on nachos tho.
Gigantic 200 meter long fire-breathing space combat pet plz Cryptic. Put some shield generator and exoskeleton with impulse engine on it.
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
1. the 'official' star trek canon policy you're quoting is two things: (A) Defunct and no longer applies; and (B) did not come from the company that actually controls Star Trek now.
2. Ignoring everything else, Licensed material can not be FanFiction. Authorized fanfiction is just that fanfiction: it is NOT licensed or owned by a company with a license under the Star Trek umbrella. Licensed products are part of the company, aka: the franchise, aka: part of the canon . As stated before, it can be dismissed, but it can not be removed.
3. the wiki page citation you're pointing to is out of date, since that thing it's referring to is again, obsolete. It does not mean it applies just because it is the last one you've seen. In fact, this is the most recent CBS policy on Star Trek Canon: "Later changes to the Star Trek website acknowledges that this definition is not set in stone, but that the notion of what constitutes canon in Star Trek is fluid, open to interpretation and debate.[2] The most recent iteration of the website has removed all references to a canon policy.". This last, by the way, is more recent than the 'official' line you keep repeating.
4. Ah hell! I can't be bothered. go back and read what a dozen or more people have told you about the differences between fanfiction, licensed products, and what a license does to a franchise which includes things such as X-men/Star Trek (just so you know).
SWEU was canon. It was dismissed and relabeled SWEU after Disney bought up the rights. They did this to give themselves complete control of the product and remove possible competition and conflicts. and it is STILL canon, just not the one listed by Disney. If the issue comes up in court dealing with the licensing of said products and whether or not they are part of SW, then Disney would loose the case. Once part of a licensed franchise, it stays. It can only be moved around, such as SWEU was when Disney called it a separate universe.
non-canon = fanfiction.
I repeat: no licensed product can be fan-fiction.
this is a legal issue and not open for debate. Ignore it if you want, but please stop mangling it.
Oh wait that one wasn't real.
while less imposing that one was a living thing.
My character Tsin'xing
this is dead wrong ( especially the last bit ) .It's a known fact the Tolkien estate has - on numerous occasions - blocked stuff from appearing b/c it wasn't in line with the lore . SWTOR can't do s**t without the licensors ok-ing it ( this has been stated numerous times by the devs at SWTOR ..they have contact with the IP-owners on a regular basis ) and I'm pretty sure the same will apply to Star Trek ( not b/c they like to spend time on it but because of the value of the license ) . You can be pretty sure that Cryptic has to confer with owners of the IP whenever they plan an expansion . If they don't then they'd lose the license ,it's a simple as that .The mere fact the ST license is so valuable made PWE buy Cryptic in the first place ( not to mention the D&D license ...)
Lithium Cracking Station
Vulcanians
450 Photon Torpedoes to take down a Constitution's Shields.
UESPA
Vulcan has no Moons
...
etc.
Just because it was on-screen doesn't mean it is correct 'canon'. Writers made this up as they went along. There were inconsistencies that can't be explained away. And yes, this being a fully licensed product, it is NOT fan-fiction. PERIOD.
Now to the matter at hand. For the love of God, please stop!!! Isn't this Thread about the new Map on Tribble? Can we get this back on topic? The Map.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Fly up to a system and get the prompt to enter.
Explore the systems..
1) Find patrols to fight off for survival.
2) Find ancient wreckage to explore. (recover R&D recipes, items). Clues to possible quest locations.
3) Find explorable planets.
Explore Planets
1) Find peaceful inhabitants, local quest/rep hubs.
2) Find ancient ruins. Puzzles. Automated defenses. (recover R&D recipes, items). Clues to possible quest locations.
3) Enemy inhabitants. Ground battles, recover tech
Something non-scripted where you would need to actually explore without being spoon fed where to go and what to do.