We also hear in a previous mission that there is a network of Iconian gateways there. Which is a convenient plot device waiting for the devs to give as a way to return.
Actually no, we hear in a previous mission that there are Iconian Gateways in Andromeda, not an entire network of them.
For all we know the gateways in Andromeda were in reference to the Iconians and Herald Spheres they had hidden there.
And all of those gateways stopped being there the moment the Iconians teleported their spheres back to the Milky Way at the beginning of the Iconian War.
No, it specifically said "gate network".
And for the Sith kitty.... It's estimated that there's a galaxy out there for every solar system in our galaxy.
more. far more. they did a black photo shot of an area of space with no stars. You can't see the 'black' of space because of all the galaxies.
think this 'might' be one of those pics (or a fair imitation):
5: soo.... all the times the TV show did that were lazy? 'cause it's a monumental double standard to say it's lazy for games to do it but not the TV shows.
We also hear in a previous mission that there is a network of Iconian gateways there. Which is a convenient plot device waiting for the devs to give as a way to return.
Actually no, we hear in a previous mission that there are Iconian Gateways in Andromeda, not an entire network of them.
For all we know the gateways in Andromeda were in reference to the Iconians and Herald Spheres they had hidden there.
And all of those gateways stopped being there the moment the Iconians teleported their spheres back to the Milky Way at the beginning of the Iconian War.
No, it specifically said "gate network".
And for the Sith kitty.... It's estimated that there's a galaxy out there for every solar system in our galaxy.
more. far more. they did a black photo shot of an area of space with no stars. You can't see the 'black' of space because of all the galaxies.
think this 'might' be one of those pics (or a fair imitation):
This looks like a deep space shot kinda like that, but this one looks to me like it has at least a few stars in the image. (the items with the rays) Also the pic is labeled "PerseusCluster". Hmm now that description sounds interesting....
would depend on who actually controls the Star Trek franchise. CBS may own it, but they don't run it. Not for the small marketable things like books, mags, toys, games, clothing, and other merchandise. They only care about the things they can put on tv. and like other television studios, they probably frown on SciFi in general, using it as a 'space filler' for various time slots so they can sell more ads. Or that used to be the case, since they are now trying the new streaming service of theirs and ST is their baby on that. Different times, different marketing approach causing them to see things differently... But my point was that teats a different department that controls the other things, if not separate sub companies altogether. Been a while since I've looked up CBS marketing layout, but Publishing used to be a completely different company entity from CBS main corp. And I'm just thinking out loud.
We also hear in a previous mission that there is a network of Iconian gateways there. Which is a convenient plot device waiting for the devs to give as a way to return.
Actually no, we hear in a previous mission that there are Iconian Gateways in Andromeda, not an entire network of them.
For all we know the gateways in Andromeda were in reference to the Iconians and Herald Spheres they had hidden there.
And all of those gateways stopped being there the moment the Iconians teleported their spheres back to the Milky Way at the beginning of the Iconian War.
No, it specifically said "gate network".
And for the Sith kitty.... It's estimated that there's a galaxy out there for every solar system in our galaxy.
more. far more. they did a black photo shot of an area of space with no stars. You can't see the 'black' of space because of all the galaxies.
think this 'might' be one of those pics (or a fair imitation):
This looks like a deep space shot kinda like that, but this one looks to me like it has at least a few stars in the image. (the items with the rays) Also the pic is labeled "PerseusCluster". Hmm now that description sounds interesting....
I tried to find the ones that were in National Geographic at one point. It was just one galaxy on top of another, with no stars anywhere. this pic was just the closest I could find. Also that pic I was looking for was very colorful and ... well pretty. This one is blah.
Lol, right thats why there is a Star Wars Story team at Lucasfilm right now whose sole job is to ensure all novels, comics, etc are within the bounds of the officially declared canon.
That was after Star Wars was sold by Lucas to Disney and Disney reset the canon, destroying all the extended universe, and letting no novel be printed unless it follows canon, which they achieve by only letting a handful of novels be made.
Which is a totally different situation then Star Trek is in.
Do you lie and misrepresent stuff like this all the time?
If Disney has a finger in it and they don't own all the parts, they remove the competition by any means necessary. Lucasfilms wasn't the first thing they did this with. It's not the last. But it gives a great example of the fact that once something is bought by a new owner, nothing that came before matters unless they say it does. So any concepts of canon on anything for that franchise can just be thrown out the window. Popular canon and personal canon aren't the real ones that determine where a concept will go and what can be added to it. they don't matter when it comes to who has SAY in what is what and what isn't.
TSR Entertainment used to have the greatest ability to add things to their various franchises simply because they went by the simple rule that if it was added and it worked, why not use it?
CBS and Disney (who is mostly lawyers is seems) are more interested in control of product and income.
You do know that if you don't have a license for a Disney character, you can be sued for getting a tattoo made of one? Same with a kid who has a character painted on their wall but doesn't have a license to do so. Both would be legal with a license AND licensed Disney artist doing the work. And then it would have to be approved by the board in charge before it'd be allowed. True story.
CBS isn't this bad.
As for the old star wars story team, they were trying to make sure everything stayed within the bounds of the realism of SW. No flying space monkeys or wizards for example, and anything new using TM characters would have to keep those characters within the bounds of that character. No luvluv Solo/Chewy for example (just as a reference).
5: soo.... all the times the TV show did that were lazy? 'cause it's a monumental double standard to say it's lazy for games to do it but not the TV shows.
It's not a double standard.
The TV shows/movies are canon products, directly overseen by the right-holder CBS, that are SUPPOSED to, by their very nature of being canon materials, add new things to the lore, such as new species.
Canon materials are the only thing that can add 100% new things to the lore and still be considered Star Trek.
Why are you so hellbent on trying to act like the games and shows are on the same level of canon when they are not?
Says who? Somtaawker? See, I don't get why you are so intent on enforcing a set of rules that you seem to have made up yourself.
@wendysue53 I think the one you saw was probably false color. It's rather common in astronomy pics as a way to enhance the details.
Frankly, I don't think you have a point. I mentioned seeing the Vaadwaur deserters again and you said we can't because whether or not they get to our side of the galaxy was player choice. I pointed out that player choice doesn't effect which way Cryptic desires the story to go and all you could say was my example didn't work because it was a main campaign mission. I point out that player choice is meaningless regardless if it's main quest or side quest and you say "which is exactly my point." What point? If player choice is irrelevant then that means Cryptic can return to the Vaadwaur if they want to. Player choice doesn't prevent Cryptic from revisiting the Vaadwaur deserters anymore than it prevented them from saying the Hazari are part of the Delta Alliance.
2. How would it be lazy to show those things in our galaxy when the TV shows already showed them in our galaxy?
Because we've already seen them in our galaxy. In the case of the Kelvans, they are not from here. We already met them here, but now we'd like to see where they come from. If a means to do so is introduced, then why not do it? Why just be content visiting the Kelvans in the Milky Way when we can meet the Kelvans in Andromeda?
It's like saying we met the Klingons on Organia, so we might as well not bother meeting the Klingons on Qo'noS. What's wrong with meeting more Klingons? What's wrong with seeing the Klingon's homeworld?
3. And STO isn't canon. What point exactly were you trying to make? CBS doesn't really care what Cryptic does outside of a small handful of very high level stuff like "no playable android captains". Just like they don't really care what people do in the novels, hence why there are so many terrible Star Trek novels.
My point is CBS is the word of god and they could make a show non-canon if they wanted. You're trying to say that the game must obey the shows because the shows are the shows, but CBS are the "creators" and could just as easily dismiss a show if they wanted. They could just as easily decide STO is canon if they wanted to as well.
Besides, if STO isn't canon then why are you so insistent that they adhere to the shows? If STO doesn't affect the shows in any negative or positive way, then Cryptic should technically be able to do whatever they please.
4. Star Trek said "explore new worlds" all the time, but if you actually look at most of the episodes, all of the Trek shows, outside of Voyager and ENT, where mostly about interacting with races they had already met, especially DS9. And ENT was only exploration focused because they were exploring and finding the races we know from the older TV shows. Even then, it wasn't so much about "exploring new worlds!" as it was "see how they found the stuff we know they found!"
Uh, no. They did go back to classic things like Klingons and Romulans but the new shows were still about doing new things. TNG was about exploring like TOS was and gave us new species like the Cardassians and Borg for example. It's true Deep Space Nine took place mostly in explored space, but even they spent five of the seven seasons dealing with the Dominion who were a new species that originated from the Gamma Quadrant. They weren't all about rehashing the same stuff over and over gain.
5. Its by no means lazy to build upon thing already established instead of making up new things that have no relation to the series. Laziness is doing nothing to try to add depth to the series, and instead just making a new villains of the week out of nowhere just to perpetuate the game/novel/w.e.
The Kelvan are from Andromeda. How is visiting Andromeda not building upon what they established on TOS?
2. The difference is that we saw the Klingons on other places, including their homeworld, in the TV shows. We saw nothing about Andromeda in the TV shows, so there is nothing to build on.
3. Because this is Star Trek Online, not "Stuff we made up and slapped the Star Trek label On: Online"
4. Yes, and almost none of the things TNG introduced actually mattered because they were throwaway "Aliens of the week" that contributed nothing to the actual depth of the series beyond filler content for that week. None of that actually MATTERED to the Star Trek unvierse as a whole. While the Federation's dealing with the Klingons and Romulans DID. This is ignoring that the TV show is the TV show, and thus, has the right to add things to the unvierse.
So in other words the TV Shows can do whatever the hell they want, but the games can't/shouldn't do anything new and instead give us the same thing we've seen again and again. Boy am I glad you don't make these games. They'd be incredibly boring.
4. Yes, and almost none of the things TNG introduced actually mattered because they were throwaway "Aliens of the week" that contributed nothing to the actual depth of the series beyond filler content for that week. None of that actually MATTERED to the Star Trek unvierse as a whole. While the Federation's dealing with the Klingons and Romulans DID.
The Cardassians and the Borg didn't contribute any depth to the series? I guess I was watching a different show Oh don't bother explaining yourself either. I know you'll say they do because they appeared more than once and blah, blah, blah. In your head the shows can elaborate on them because they're shows, but STO can't because it's a game and games can't add depth because they're games.
Of course species like the Elachi, Voth and Vaadwaur were aliens of the week and they managed to become incredibly important to STO's storyline. Oh but not the Kelvan because you say so. Give me a break.
2. The difference is that we saw the Klingons on other places, including their homeworld, in the TV shows. We saw nothing about Andromeda in the TV shows, so there is nothing to build on.
3. Because this is Star Trek Online, not "Stuff we made up and slapped the Star Trek label On: Online"
4. Yes, and almost none of the things TNG introduced actually mattered because they were throwaway "Aliens of the week" that contributed nothing to the actual depth of the series beyond filler content for that week. None of that actually MATTERED to the Star Trek unvierse as a whole. While the Federation's dealing with the Klingons and Romulans DID. This is ignoring that the TV show is the TV show, and thus, has the right to add things to the unvierse.
So in other words the TV Shows can do whatever the hell they want, but the games can't/shouldn't do anything new and instead give us the same thing we've seen again and again. Boy am I glad you don't make these games. They'd be incredibly boring.
4. Yes, and almost none of the things TNG introduced actually mattered because they were throwaway "Aliens of the week" that contributed nothing to the actual depth of the series beyond filler content for that week. None of that actually MATTERED to the Star Trek unvierse as a whole. While the Federation's dealing with the Klingons and Romulans DID.
The Cardassians and the Borg didn't contribute any depth to the series? I guess I was watching a different show Oh don't bother explaining yourself either. I know you'll say they do because they appeared more than once and blah, blah, blah. In your head the shows can elaborate on them because they're shows, but STO can't because it's a game and games can't add depth because they're games.
Of course species like the Elachi, Voth and Vaadwaur were aliens of the week and they managed to become incredibly important to STO's storyline. Oh but not the Kelvan because you say so. Give me a break.
remember the Klingons were originally just an off-shoot alien race. wasn't until later that they brought them back as a main faction.
No, it's not. You're making 2 rather baseless assumptions, first that they are not willing to make another galaxy map section, second that they're ONLY using that chart.
I'm just wondering how much room they have to make anything like a new galaxy or a new sector of space for us. Aren't they bursting at the seams as it is with all the stuff they have in the game now or is there an unlimited amount of space for creating content?
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No, it's not. You're making 2 rather baseless assumptions, first that they are not willing to make another galaxy map section, second that they're ONLY using that chart.
Yes it is
1. There is no other chart to use besides the Stellar Cartography map, which is the same map with a few more places added in from the last season of ENT.
2. They aren't going to add another galaxy map section given that there is basically nothing out there at this point except the scant few places like Cait and Gornar, which are so far away, and in the middle of nowhere, that adding them would mean adding like 4-5 sectors of nothing just for one planet.
1: who cares? If you're making new stuff then you're making new stuff.
2: They'll add anything to the galaxy map that they plan to use as part of the game.
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more. far more. they did a black photo shot of an area of space with no stars. You can't see the 'black' of space because of all the galaxies.
think this 'might' be one of those pics (or a fair imitation):
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I tried to find the ones that were in National Geographic at one point. It was just one galaxy on top of another, with no stars anywhere. this pic was just the closest I could find. Also that pic I was looking for was very colorful and ... well pretty. This one is blah.
If Disney has a finger in it and they don't own all the parts, they remove the competition by any means necessary. Lucasfilms wasn't the first thing they did this with. It's not the last. But it gives a great example of the fact that once something is bought by a new owner, nothing that came before matters unless they say it does. So any concepts of canon on anything for that franchise can just be thrown out the window. Popular canon and personal canon aren't the real ones that determine where a concept will go and what can be added to it. they don't matter when it comes to who has SAY in what is what and what isn't.
TSR Entertainment used to have the greatest ability to add things to their various franchises simply because they went by the simple rule that if it was added and it worked, why not use it?
CBS and Disney (who is mostly lawyers is seems) are more interested in control of product and income.
You do know that if you don't have a license for a Disney character, you can be sued for getting a tattoo made of one? Same with a kid who has a character painted on their wall but doesn't have a license to do so. Both would be legal with a license AND licensed Disney artist doing the work. And then it would have to be approved by the board in charge before it'd be allowed. True story.
CBS isn't this bad.
As for the old star wars story team, they were trying to make sure everything stayed within the bounds of the realism of SW. No flying space monkeys or wizards for example, and anything new using TM characters would have to keep those characters within the bounds of that character. No luvluv Solo/Chewy for example (just as a reference).
And with that, my train of thought derailed.
@wendysue53 I think the one you saw was probably false color. It's rather common in astronomy pics as a way to enhance the details.
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Frankly, I don't think you have a point. I mentioned seeing the Vaadwaur deserters again and you said we can't because whether or not they get to our side of the galaxy was player choice. I pointed out that player choice doesn't effect which way Cryptic desires the story to go and all you could say was my example didn't work because it was a main campaign mission. I point out that player choice is meaningless regardless if it's main quest or side quest and you say "which is exactly my point." What point? If player choice is irrelevant then that means Cryptic can return to the Vaadwaur if they want to. Player choice doesn't prevent Cryptic from revisiting the Vaadwaur deserters anymore than it prevented them from saying the Hazari are part of the Delta Alliance.
Because we've already seen them in our galaxy. In the case of the Kelvans, they are not from here. We already met them here, but now we'd like to see where they come from. If a means to do so is introduced, then why not do it? Why just be content visiting the Kelvans in the Milky Way when we can meet the Kelvans in Andromeda?
It's like saying we met the Klingons on Organia, so we might as well not bother meeting the Klingons on Qo'noS. What's wrong with meeting more Klingons? What's wrong with seeing the Klingon's homeworld?
My point is CBS is the word of god and they could make a show non-canon if they wanted. You're trying to say that the game must obey the shows because the shows are the shows, but CBS are the "creators" and could just as easily dismiss a show if they wanted. They could just as easily decide STO is canon if they wanted to as well.
Besides, if STO isn't canon then why are you so insistent that they adhere to the shows? If STO doesn't affect the shows in any negative or positive way, then Cryptic should technically be able to do whatever they please.
Uh, no. They did go back to classic things like Klingons and Romulans but the new shows were still about doing new things. TNG was about exploring like TOS was and gave us new species like the Cardassians and Borg for example. It's true Deep Space Nine took place mostly in explored space, but even they spent five of the seven seasons dealing with the Dominion who were a new species that originated from the Gamma Quadrant. They weren't all about rehashing the same stuff over and over gain.
The Kelvan are from Andromeda. How is visiting Andromeda not building upon what they established on TOS?
So in other words the TV Shows can do whatever the hell they want, but the games can't/shouldn't do anything new and instead give us the same thing we've seen again and again. Boy am I glad you don't make these games. They'd be incredibly boring.
The Cardassians and the Borg didn't contribute any depth to the series? I guess I was watching a different show
Of course species like the Elachi, Voth and Vaadwaur were aliens of the week and they managed to become incredibly important to STO's storyline. Oh but not the Kelvan because you say so. Give me a break.
remember the Klingons were originally just an off-shoot alien race. wasn't until later that they brought them back as a main faction.
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TIME FOR POPCORN AND NACHO SALES!!
yeah that tends to happen when certain people start talking about a few subjects. seems to happen often.
Now.. Where on the new map are you hiding those Nachos?! = o.o =
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Im Romulan, they're battlecloaked
2: They'll add anything to the galaxy map that they plan to use as part of the game.
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