Vista? ugh. I had a Vista system, and that OS would eat just about everything. There was an auto-updater built into it that acted more like maleware than a critical part of the OS. But it was. Sony designed it that way. Would use up to 70% or more of the cpu whenever it felt like it. Couldn't turn it off. Couldn't delete it as it just reinstall itself. one of the worst machines I ever owned. I was glad to get rid of it. Not saying your's is, since if you can get STO to work on it at all I'm amazed.
Well, it doesn't work *well*. Have to have all the graphics on minimum settings and even then it sticks from time to time. I've noticed myself how hoggy Vista is, although luckily I at least don't have a thing like that Sony thing of yours, but Vista still sprawls all over every available bit of RAM and never clears up its files unless you make it. That's why I've got my eye on Linux. (That and Windows 10 has a reputation for being spyware-like and generally annoying. I do like a computer that I can see what it's doing.) I have considered getting a new one, but it does everything else I want it to do, and it's not my money. On my current set-up, Vista alone is taking half the system resources. From what I've read, Zorin Linux appears to take less than half the resources that Vista's currently taking - so in that case, that should improve things by yards even with the same computer.
You have an Intel GMA 4500 graphics core in the laptop. It is pretty weak considering it is from 2009. It supports Dx10 so you should still be able to play STO.
Hang on, how the heck do you know when my laptop is from? (Or were those cards only ever sold in that one year and you mean that they were weak compared to other cards from that year?)
And still, STO is the only game of its kind on the market...
uh. This is an incorrect statement. a little research will show that STO isn't the only game of it's kind. Just one of the more popular for this genre - at this point in time. Don't know how often people post this, but it isn't accurate.
sorry.
there may be other online star trek games out there but they are all crud in comparison to sto, no other star trek game blends space combat, ground combat, puzzle solving and fun in the same way, this makes sto unique as the only good star trek game and by default the only game of its kind on the market.
so your comment that the comment from @sophlogimo is an incorrect statement is in fact an incorrect statement.
now if you're saying that it's the 'Best Star Trek Game of this Time'? That I would agree is a true statement. But if you just go with what he said, stating stating that a game such as this in the genre of Scifi, with ground and space combat - well, that's were we are going to disagree. There are other games with both of these items built into them. And they are online. May not be MMOs, but they are games. so technically, STO isn't the only game of it's kind. a little research can show this. There is one that is due to be released spring of next year, for instance, that 'appears' to blow this game out of the water. However, it is not Star Trek, just scifi.
now we could drag this out and get technical, pointing to this game and that game, but let's face it - nothing I type in conflict with that statement made by @sophlogimo will you want to hear. So, we can just disagree.
I still play STO because I like STO, buggy though it may be. I just disagree with people thinking it's the only one like it. Saying it is would be incorrect. Saying it's the only star trek MMO like it, would be correct. After all, I don't believe it's the first star trek mmo out there, nor the only one.
But I'm tired and not thinking clearly atm. Who knows what I just said.
it all depends on what @sophlogimo meant by what he said, he didn't actually say it was the only game with genre of Scifi, with ground and space combat or even MMO, all he said was "STO is the only game of its kind on the market" I took that to mean as I said before that "no other star trek game blends space combat, ground combat, puzzle solving and fun in the same way" and in this respect as you say yourself "'saying that it's the Best Star Trek Game of this Time'? That I would agree is a true statement." & "Saying it's the only star trek MMO like it, would be correct" and this is what I believe he meant, therefore he is correct in my view.
you could also add to his comment the fact that personally I have tried other star trek online games and many other sci-fi MMO's and there are none that I have played for very long, it is only sto that has captivated my imagination enough to make it a joy to play these last 5 years and buy the lifetime sub, that in itself makes sto the "only game of its kind on the market" in my eyes but that is just a personal preference, perhaps @sophlogimo was also stating his personal preference and that again would make his comment true.
You have an Intel GMA 4500 graphics core in the laptop. It is pretty weak considering it is from 2009. It supports Dx10 so you should still be able to play STO.
Hang on, how the heck do you know when my laptop is from? (Or were those cards only ever sold in that one year and you mean that they were weak compared to other cards from that year?)
You stated you have the "Mobile Intel 4 Series Express Chipset Family". That is how I was able to determine the age of your laptop. That family of chipset was released back in 2008 and in 2009. Depending on the specific chipset it either has the Intel GMA X4500, GMA X4500HD or the GMA 4500MHD graphics core in that chipset. That also tells me that the laptop has a Core 2 Duo CPU or a Pentium CPU based on that architecture.
While it does support DirectX 10, it is also pretty old. It is possible that you are receiving the error message when you launch STO because Cryptic might have a list of compatible DX 10 graphic cores and graphic cards as one of the checks. It is possible that the Intel GMA X4500 / X4500HD / 4500MHD graphic cores are not on that list.
Intel did not really focus any attention to developing an integrated graphics core with "performance" until they released the Intel HD 2000 / HD 3000 series graphic core that were integrated into the 2nd generation Sandy Bridge Intel Core i3 / i5/ i7 desktop and mobile CPUs. The Intel HD 3000 faired decently well against the nVidia Geforce 210m back then. The most current mainstream Intel graphics core current 7th generation Kaby Lake Intel Core i3 / i5/ i7 CPU is the Intel HD 620. It's performance is somewhat close to the nVidia 920m.
Windows 7 was officially no longer supported by Microsoft 13 January, 2015.
Funny how I was able to get a new Dell laptop this year running Windows 7.
And you can still get them with win95 on them from some shops, especially if you order online.
But I'll let someone else comment about doing such a thing.
Funny how I was able to get a new Dell laptop this year running Windows 7.
To be specific, you bought a laptop with Windows 7 Professional. Microsoft allows the sale of new laptops to have Win 7 Pro since businesses generally do not adopt new operating systems as quickly as consumers since there are security and compatibility risks involved. Depending on the size of the business that risk could be measured in the millions of dollars to billions of dollars.
In any case, mainstream support for Windows 7 has ended on January 13, 2015. However, extended support will end on January 14, 2020.
Which gives him another 2 years or so of usage, which isn't bad. May not be able to use anything newer than earlier this year, but that's a tech compatibility issue and besides the point.
Windows 7 was officially no longer supported by Microsoft 13 January, 2015.
Funny how I was able to get a new Dell laptop this year running Windows 7.
unless a laptop specifically running Windows 7 or some other platform was required for some reason I think I would have been tempted to give anything that didn't include windows 10 a very wide miss, when I buy a new laptop I want everything on it as up to date as possible and it is most importantly the case to have the most recent OS pre-installed.
buying anything less is just buying old out of date hardware and software.
funnily enough a few days ago I was looking at 2nd hand laptops with windows 7 for sale in a well known pawnbrokers shop window and remember thinking I wouldn't even buy a 2nd hand machine with anything less then windows 10 installed, it would just be money down the drain IMO.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
funnily enough a few days ago I was looking at 2nd hand laptops with windows 7 for sale in a well known pawnbrokers shop window and remember thinking I wouldn't even buy a 2nd hand machine with anything less then windows 10 installed, it would just be money down the drain IMO.
It is still possible to upgrade to Windows 10 for free. This is provided for those individuals who need to use assistive technologies on the premise that the assistive tech hardware did not support Windows 10 when the free upgrade period for the general public expired.
funnily enough a few days ago I was looking at 2nd hand laptops with windows 7 for sale in a well known pawnbrokers shop window and remember thinking I wouldn't even buy a 2nd hand machine with anything less then windows 10 installed, it would just be money down the drain IMO.
It is still possible to upgrade to Windows 10 for free. This is provided for those individuals who need to use assistive technologies on the premise that the assistive tech hardware did not support Windows 10 when the free upgrade period for the general public expired.
yes, you can upgrade to Win10. But I think part of the issue with machines with pre-installed Win7 is that most of them can only run other os that are just as old. Win10 wouldn't work on them due to hardware conflicts. Most Win10 upgrades seem to be from Win8 to Win10. Think you can upgrade to Win10 from Win7, but you have to get the middle upgrade to Win8 first. Of course that was the situation when I got my Win10 machine, but that was when Win10 was first released and it required the Win8 upgrade from Win7 first. So I just went and got a new comp instead. Don't know the current setup Microsoft is using, but they may have changed that requirement since.
If I remember correctly, wasn't the 'free' Win10 upgrade just for those with the Win8 os preinstalled on the new computer when they buy it, sort of a pre-buy win10 offer type thing? You were still buying Win10 with the comp, but you had to wait for the release date to install it, so they gave you Win8 on the system until then. I don't recall a truly free offer for the Win10 OS, although since I already had it, I may have just not paid attention to this.
funnily enough a few days ago I was looking at 2nd hand laptops with windows 7 for sale in a well known pawnbrokers shop window and remember thinking I wouldn't even buy a 2nd hand machine with anything less then windows 10 installed, it would just be money down the drain IMO.
It is still possible to upgrade to Windows 10 for free. This is provided for those individuals who need to use assistive technologies on the premise that the assistive tech hardware did not support Windows 10 when the free upgrade period for the general public expired.
yes, you can upgrade to Win10. But I think part of the issue with machines with pre-installed Win7 is that most of them can only run other os that are just as old. Win10 wouldn't work on them due to hardware conflicts. Most Win10 upgrades seem to be from Win8 to Win10. Think you can upgrade to Win10 from Win7, but you have to get the middle upgrade to Win8 first. Of course that was the situation when I got my Win10 machine, but that was when Win10 was first released and it required the Win8 upgrade from Win7 first. So I just went and got a new comp instead. Don't know the current setup Microsoft is using, but they may have changed that requirement since.
If I remember correctly, wasn't the 'free' Win10 upgrade just for those with the Win8 os preinstalled on the new computer when they buy it, sort of a pre-buy win10 offer type thing? You were still buying Win10 with the comp, but you had to wait for the release date to install it, so they gave you Win8 on the system until then. I don't recall a truly free offer for the Win10 OS, although since I already had it, I may have just not paid attention to this.
You remember incorrectly. 99 times out of 100 - IF your PC ran Win7 fine; it would install and run Windows 10. I upgraded from Win 7 to Win 10 during the 'free' period with no issues. The 'free' Win 10 was for anyone who was running a legitimate/genuine copy of Win 7 or later (IE Win 8/8.1)
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run it, yes. run it well without problems, maybe. it's a hardware issue that Microsoft discusses when talking about upgrading to win10. not saying win7 hardware can't use win10. Only said it would have issues, even if you don't notice them. If you bought a comp with win7 on it and it is a new comp, then you just bought a windows downgrade feature that is less expensive, as the computer itself (if a recent tech) is most likely win10 compatible. Original Win7 machines are not (edited for clarity: meaning by original win7 machine, the ones that came out the 2 years around the release of win7, not a machine with win7 from this year for example.)
and I was unaware of that free period. Thanks for the info.
funnily enough a few days ago I was looking at 2nd hand laptops with windows 7 for sale in a well known pawnbrokers shop window and remember thinking I wouldn't even buy a 2nd hand machine with anything less then windows 10 installed, it would just be money down the drain IMO.
It is still possible to upgrade to Windows 10 for free. This is provided for those individuals who need to use assistive technologies on the premise that the assistive tech hardware did not support Windows 10 when the free upgrade period for the general public expired.
yes, you can upgrade to Win10. But I think part of the issue with machines with pre-installed Win7 is that most of them can only run other os that are just as old. Win10 wouldn't work on them due to hardware conflicts. Most Win10 upgrades seem to be from Win8 to Win10. Think you can upgrade to Win10 from Win7, but you have to get the middle upgrade to Win8 first. Of course that was the situation when I got my Win10 machine, but that was when Win10 was first released and it required the Win8 upgrade from Win7 first. So I just went and got a new comp instead. Don't know the current setup Microsoft is using, but they may have changed that requirement since.
If I remember correctly, wasn't the 'free' Win10 upgrade just for those with the Win8 os preinstalled on the new computer when they buy it, sort of a pre-buy win10 offer type thing? You were still buying Win10 with the comp, but you had to wait for the release date to install it, so they gave you Win8 on the system until then. I don't recall a truly free offer for the Win10 OS, although since I already had it, I may have just not paid attention to this.
I don't know what makes you think windows 7 pc's would have problems running windows 10, I upgraded 2 windows 7 pc's with windows 10 without any problems on the first day the free offer went live, one was a laptop that originally come with windows 7 pre-installed the second was a desktop that come with no OS installed and I bought a very cheep windows 7 installation disk with activation code to install on it.
the only stipulation I know of regarding upgrading to windows 10 was that if you had windows 8 installed you had to make sure you had the 8.1 upgrade installed first and that was just like a service pack update.
there was no requirement to upgrade from windows 7 to windows 8 before upgrading to windows 10, anyone buying a windows 7 or windows 8 pc before windows 10 was released would not have got a windows 10 upgrade included with the purchase but they would have been able to upgrade to windows 10 for free after the official release like anyone else providing they did it in the first year.
anyone buying a windows 7 or windows 8/8.1 pc now would need to buy a windows 10 upgrade if they wanted it.
I only had problems with one other pc when I tried to upgrade it to windows 10 from windows 7 but it was a very old laptop that originally had vista installed and though it ran windows 7 ok and actually run windows 10 ok I could not get a windows 10 compatible graphics driver for it so I was faced with a choice keep it on windows 10 but at very low resolution or wind back to windows 7 and make use of the windows 7 compatible graphics driver, I ended up winding back to windows 7.
if you don't recall a truly free offer for windows 10 you must have been sleeping for that first year as I know of many fairly old windows 7 & 8.1 laptops that upgraded completely free of charge during that year.
the laptop I am using now was a few years old when I got it as a hand-me-down from my daughter and I had been using it for about a year and a half with the preinstalled windows 7 it originally come with before I upgraded it to windows 10 for free and its running better now then it was when I first got it, it just seems like you completely misunderstood everything about upgrading to windows 10 so I don't know where you got your information but it was seriously flawed.
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When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
funnily enough a few days ago I was looking at 2nd hand laptops with windows 7 for sale in a well known pawnbrokers shop window and remember thinking I wouldn't even buy a 2nd hand machine with anything less then windows 10 installed, it would just be money down the drain IMO.
It is still possible to upgrade to Windows 10 for free. This is provided for those individuals who need to use assistive technologies on the premise that the assistive tech hardware did not support Windows 10 when the free upgrade period for the general public expired.
yes, you can upgrade to Win10. But I think part of the issue with machines with pre-installed Win7 is that most of them can only run other os that are just as old. Win10 wouldn't work on them due to hardware conflicts. Most Win10 upgrades seem to be from Win8 to Win10. Think you can upgrade to Win10 from Win7, but you have to get the middle upgrade to Win8 first. Of course that was the situation when I got my Win10 machine, but that was when Win10 was first released and it required the Win8 upgrade from Win7 first. So I just went and got a new comp instead. Don't know the current setup Microsoft is using, but they may have changed that requirement since.
If I remember correctly, wasn't the 'free' Win10 upgrade just for those with the Win8 os preinstalled on the new computer when they buy it, sort of a pre-buy win10 offer type thing? You were still buying Win10 with the comp, but you had to wait for the release date to install it, so they gave you Win8 on the system until then. I don't recall a truly free offer for the Win10 OS, although since I already had it, I may have just not paid attention to this.
I don't know what makes you think windows 7 pc's would have problems running windows 10, I upgraded 2 windows 7 pc's with windows 10 without any problems on the first day the free offer went live, one was a laptop that originally come with windows 7 pre-installed the second was a desktop that come with no OS installed and I bought a very cheep windows 7 installation disk with activation code to install on it.
the only stipulation I know of regarding upgrading to windows 10 was that if you had windows 8 installed you had to make sure you had the 8.1 upgrade installed first and that was just like a service pack update.
there was no requirement to upgrade from windows 7 to windows 8 before upgrading to windows 10, anyone buying a windows 7 or windows 8 pc before windows 10 was released would not have got a windows 10 upgrade included with the purchase but they would have been able to upgrade to windows 10 for free after the official release like anyone else providing they did it in the first year.
anyone buying a windows 7 or windows 8/8.1 pc now would need to buy a windows 10 upgrade if they wanted it.
I only had problems with one other pc when I tried to upgrade it to windows 10 from windows 7 but it was a very old laptop that originally had vista installed and though it ran windows 7 ok and actually run windows 10 ok I could not get a windows 10 compatible graphics driver for it so I was faced with a choice keep it on windows 10 but at very low resolution or wind back to windows 7 and make use of the windows 7 compatible graphics driver, I ended up winding back to windows 7.
if you don't recall a truly free offer for windows 10 you must have been sleeping for that first year as I know of many fairly old windows 7 & 8.1 laptops that upgraded completely free of charge during that year.
the laptop I am using now was a few years old when I got it as a hand-me-down from my daughter and I had been using it for about a year and a half with the preinstalled windows 7 it originally come with before I upgraded it to windows 10 for free and its running better now then it was when I first got it, it just seems like you completely misunderstood everything about upgrading to windows 10 so I don't know where you got your information but it was seriously flawed.
no, wasn't sleeping that time. Just got mine before the release with the service stipulation that Win10 would be added whenever it finally came out. This was before the official release, so I didn't really pay attention after that point. Still, when I did get mine, it was a win7 to win 8 to win10 situation, which is partly why I broke down and just bought a win8 system with the win10 to be added by Microsoft later on. Things change, and no doubt they changed once everything was released. If my info is out of date, I did mention that what I was referring to was from when I got mine, and that it probably isn't like that now. Especially with comps.
But if you're also referring to an original win7 comp having trouble with a win10 system as being "seriously flawed" information. It's isn't. Most programs, including win10, aren't designed for the older win7 systems. You can upgrade an old computer with new software, but that is essentially a time bomb just waiting to go off. Sure it can be done, but it's not recommended, since the 10 OS isn't really designed for that type of hardware, or rather the hardware isn't designed for the OS. Works better with 10 on it? Great! No what would it do on a computer it is supposed to run on? This is my point. To get the best performance, the hard- and software need to be contemporaries. You can work around this to an extent, but there are always unforeseen issues to be dealt with.
Even with a toy comp or mini-laptop.
I think I said this before: but if it works - USE IT!
All I was discussing were the 'possible' issues and likely outcomes. Will his comp have issues? Most likely. Eventually. At some point. Blah. blah. blah. (Is there really any point in continuing this discussion?)
I'm only going by what I've had to deal with. I don't work for Microsoft. I DO build computers in my spare time, since few machines can do what I need them to when dealing with graphic design. But I've stated elsewhere, I'm not a programmer. I take the shortcuts, such as hiring those who know what I don't to do what I need done in order to get my work completed so that players - such as us - can enjoy the other games I deal with (not STO). It's rare that I'll tinker with an old machine that can't do what I need it to. Those tend to get scrapped. Which was happening fairly often before Win10 was released due to the widening tech gaps between tech and OS and how it affects my work.
If he wants to use a win7 on an ancient machine to run the newest version of STO, and he can get more than 1 frame a minute animation sequences, by all means, let him.
funnily enough a few days ago I was looking at 2nd hand laptops with windows 7 for sale in a well known pawnbrokers shop window and remember thinking I wouldn't even buy a 2nd hand machine with anything less then windows 10 installed, it would just be money down the drain IMO.
It is still possible to upgrade to Windows 10 for free. This is provided for those individuals who need to use assistive technologies on the premise that the assistive tech hardware did not support Windows 10 when the free upgrade period for the general public expired.
yes, you can upgrade to Win10. But I think part of the issue with machines with pre-installed Win7 is that most of them can only run other os that are just as old. Win10 wouldn't work on them due to hardware conflicts. Most Win10 upgrades seem to be from Win8 to Win10. Think you can upgrade to Win10 from Win7, but you have to get the middle upgrade to Win8 first. Of course that was the situation when I got my Win10 machine, but that was when Win10 was first released and it required the Win8 upgrade from Win7 first. So I just went and got a new comp instead. Don't know the current setup Microsoft is using, but they may have changed that requirement since.
If I remember correctly, wasn't the 'free' Win10 upgrade just for those with the Win8 os preinstalled on the new computer when they buy it, sort of a pre-buy win10 offer type thing? You were still buying Win10 with the comp, but you had to wait for the release date to install it, so they gave you Win8 on the system until then. I don't recall a truly free offer for the Win10 OS, although since I already had it, I may have just not paid attention to this.
I don't know what makes you think windows 7 pc's would have problems running windows 10, I upgraded 2 windows 7 pc's with windows 10 without any problems on the first day the free offer went live, one was a laptop that originally come with windows 7 pre-installed the second was a desktop that come with no OS installed and I bought a very cheep windows 7 installation disk with activation code to install on it.
the only stipulation I know of regarding upgrading to windows 10 was that if you had windows 8 installed you had to make sure you had the 8.1 upgrade installed first and that was just like a service pack update.
there was no requirement to upgrade from windows 7 to windows 8 before upgrading to windows 10, anyone buying a windows 7 or windows 8 pc before windows 10 was released would not have got a windows 10 upgrade included with the purchase but they would have been able to upgrade to windows 10 for free after the official release like anyone else providing they did it in the first year.
anyone buying a windows 7 or windows 8/8.1 pc now would need to buy a windows 10 upgrade if they wanted it.
I only had problems with one other pc when I tried to upgrade it to windows 10 from windows 7 but it was a very old laptop that originally had vista installed and though it ran windows 7 ok and actually run windows 10 ok I could not get a windows 10 compatible graphics driver for it so I was faced with a choice keep it on windows 10 but at very low resolution or wind back to windows 7 and make use of the windows 7 compatible graphics driver, I ended up winding back to windows 7.
if you don't recall a truly free offer for windows 10 you must have been sleeping for that first year as I know of many fairly old windows 7 & 8.1 laptops that upgraded completely free of charge during that year.
the laptop I am using now was a few years old when I got it as a hand-me-down from my daughter and I had been using it for about a year and a half with the preinstalled windows 7 it originally come with before I upgraded it to windows 10 for free and its running better now then it was when I first got it, it just seems like you completely misunderstood everything about upgrading to windows 10 so I don't know where you got your information but it was seriously flawed.
no, wasn't sleeping that time. Just got mine before the release with the service stipulation that Win10 would be added whenever it finally came out. This was before the official release, so I didn't really pay attention after that point. Still, when I did get mine, it was a win7 to win 8 to win10 situation, which is partly why I broke down and just bought a win8 system with the win10 to be added by Microsoft later on. Things change, and no doubt they changed once everything was released. If my info is out of date, I did mention that what I was referring to was from when I got mine, and that it probably isn't like that now. Especially with comps.
I never ever heard of a "win7 to win 8 to win10 situation" if you could upgrade directly from windows 7 to windows 10 at the start of the offer why should you have needed to go through this rout at any other time during the offer? it doesn't really make any sense.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
it wasn't available at the start of the offer. It was upgrade from win7 to win8, because win10 wouldn't upgrade from 7 at that time. This was before the actual release... Upgrading required win8 to go to win10 at that time... so it would have been from 7 to 8 to 10, which meant a lot of useless effort. So I bought a win8 to a win10.
it wasn't available at the start of the offer. It was upgrade from win7 to win8, because win10 wouldn't upgrade from 7 at that time. This was before the actual release... Upgrading required win8 to go to win10 at that time... so it would have been from 7 to 8 to 10, which meant a lot of useless effort. So I bought a win8 to a win10.
I'm tired. you wore me out. -.-
sorry you lost me when was it that win10 wouldn't upgrade from 7 because I see the announcement of the windows 10 release way back in January 2015 where it was stated that window 7 would qualify for a free upgrade to windows 10 and that was like the first ever official announcement of the free upgrade offer that I know of.
although it is a long video you will see the upgrade announcement in the first 15 minutes.
as windows 10 didn't go on general release until July 29th 2015 as far as I can see it was available at the start of the offer, also like I said I upgraded 2 PC's to windows 10 from win7 on the first day it went live July 29th.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
just telling you what I had to deal with. I got this particular system around November 2014 and use it for non-work. this vid is says it was filmed after that at an event January 2015. It's not exactly information I would have had access to at the time. and so our timeline issue is exposed.
just telling you what I had to deal with. I got this particular system around November 2014 and use it for non-work. this vid is says it was filmed after that at an event January 2015. It's not exactly information I would have had access to at the time. and so our timeline issue is exposed.
what they discuss would have been good to know.
sorry I'm still confused, if this was the first ever announcement of a free upgrade offer to windows 10 from 7 or 8 what benefit would you have gained by buying windows 8 PC's before that announcement as they hadn't even officially announced the upgrade offer before January 2015 for win8 anyway.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
sorry I'm still confused, if this was the first ever announcement of a free upgrade offer to windows 10 from 7 or 8 what benefit would you have gained by buying windows 8 PC's before that announcement as they hadn't even officially announced the upgrade offer before January 2015 for win8 anyway.
Free upgrade isn't what I had come with my system. It was a paid for upgrade to win10 from win8. A basic package set up BEFORE that vid was made.
didn't I say this? I thought I said this. enough. any confusion left is in what you're adding to what I originally said. the rest doesn't matter.
@doctordna had something actually worth listening to:
Free upgrade isn't what I had come with my system. It was a paid for upgrade to win10 from win8. A basic package set up BEFORE that vid was made.
didn't I say this? I thought I said this. enough. any confusion left is in what you're adding to what I originally said. the rest doesn't matter.
You're confused.
Your system likely came with Windows 8 but they included a code or something for a 'free' upgrade to Windows 10. New PC's always do this when the release of a new OS is approaching. When they build the PC's they install the Operating System, box them up and ship them. When MS introduces a new OS, they aren't going to go back and open all those systems and upgrade them, so they just throw in a code to let you do it yourself if you so choose. You purchased a PC with Windows 8 just before the release of Windows 10 so you were given a 'paid upgrade' to Windows 10. It's a common practice with system builders. What you had was different from the free upgrade given out by MS, though you could have upgraded by either method.
There was never a time when Windows 10 required Windows 8 to upgrade, that absolutely never happened. You have always been able to go from 7 to 10.. always. There is also no such thing as 'Windows 7 specific hardware.' Any PC that can run Windows 7 can run Windows 10. In fact if you look, you'll see that Microsoft hasn't even raised system requirements on their Operating systems in over 7 years. The system requirements for Windows 7, 8, 8.1, and Windows 10 are all exactly the same. The full hardware driver library from all previous Windows Versions are included in Windows 10. There are a few devices that might be temperamental and require a 3rd party driver, but even those are few and far between.
I build and repair PC's as a side business, I have upgraded literally hundreds of systems from 7 to 10 and never once seen anything you have described.
When Windows 10 was released, anybody with Windows 7 or 8 was given about 1 year to upgrade for free. At least in the US. I know because not only do I build machines, I own a bunch obviously too. There was an annoying "upgrade to Windows 10 today" notification at the bottom right corner of my screen on my computers that I had to disable. You didn't even need to enter a code. It was just part of your normal windows update process. To actually do the free upgrade, you needed to click on the notification and follow the prompts. Which basically means you need to keep clicking "next" until you're with the download and upgrade.
In the case of my Windows 7 computer, I had purchased that specific copy in 2009 and still got a free upgrade. Everyone did.
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
When Windows 10 was released, anybody with Windows 7 or 8 was given about 1 year to upgrade for free. At least in the US. I know because not only do I build machines, I own a bunch obviously too. There was an annoying "upgrade to Windows 10 today" notification at the bottom right corner of my screen on my computers that I had to disable. You didn't even need to enter a code. It was just part of your normal windows update process. To actually do the free upgrade, you needed to click on the notification and follow the prompts. Which basically means you need to keep clicking "next" until you're with the download and upgrade.
In the case of my Windows 7 computer, I had purchased that specific copy in 2009 and still got a free upgrade. Everyone did.
I even upgraded 2 systems that had pirated copies of Windows 7. It upgraded them to legal versions of Windows 10, so I was pretty happy about that.
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So if the card does indeed support DX10, then why am I getting the warning message saying that it doesn't, and do I need to worry about it?
Well, it doesn't work *well*.
Hang on, how the heck do you know when my laptop is from? (Or were those cards only ever sold in that one year and you mean that they were weak compared to other cards from that year?)
yes. the sound logical.
You stated you have the "Mobile Intel 4 Series Express Chipset Family". That is how I was able to determine the age of your laptop. That family of chipset was released back in 2008 and in 2009. Depending on the specific chipset it either has the Intel GMA X4500, GMA X4500HD or the GMA 4500MHD graphics core in that chipset. That also tells me that the laptop has a Core 2 Duo CPU or a Pentium CPU based on that architecture.
While it does support DirectX 10, it is also pretty old. It is possible that you are receiving the error message when you launch STO because Cryptic might have a list of compatible DX 10 graphic cores and graphic cards as one of the checks. It is possible that the Intel GMA X4500 / X4500HD / 4500MHD graphic cores are not on that list.
Intel did not really focus any attention to developing an integrated graphics core with "performance" until they released the Intel HD 2000 / HD 3000 series graphic core that were integrated into the 2nd generation Sandy Bridge Intel Core i3 / i5/ i7 desktop and mobile CPUs. The Intel HD 3000 faired decently well against the nVidia Geforce 210m back then. The most current mainstream Intel graphics core current 7th generation Kaby Lake Intel Core i3 / i5/ i7 CPU is the Intel HD 620. It's performance is somewhat close to the nVidia 920m.
You have to manually switch your game to use DX11 in the display options. Otherwise it complains every time you start.
Funny how I was able to get a new Dell laptop this year running Windows 7.
And you can still get them with win95 on them from some shops, especially if you order online.
But I'll let someone else comment about doing such a thing.
To be specific, you bought a laptop with Windows 7 Professional. Microsoft allows the sale of new laptops to have Win 7 Pro since businesses generally do not adopt new operating systems as quickly as consumers since there are security and compatibility risks involved. Depending on the size of the business that risk could be measured in the millions of dollars to billions of dollars.
In any case, mainstream support for Windows 7 has ended on January 13, 2015. However, extended support will end on January 14, 2020.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet
Ah - simple as that - thanks Warpangel!
unless a laptop specifically running Windows 7 or some other platform was required for some reason I think I would have been tempted to give anything that didn't include windows 10 a very wide miss, when I buy a new laptop I want everything on it as up to date as possible and it is most importantly the case to have the most recent OS pre-installed.
buying anything less is just buying old out of date hardware and software.
funnily enough a few days ago I was looking at 2nd hand laptops with windows 7 for sale in a well known pawnbrokers shop window and remember thinking I wouldn't even buy a 2nd hand machine with anything less then windows 10 installed, it would just be money down the drain IMO.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
It is still possible to upgrade to Windows 10 for free. This is provided for those individuals who need to use assistive technologies on the premise that the assistive tech hardware did not support Windows 10 when the free upgrade period for the general public expired.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade
yes, you can upgrade to Win10. But I think part of the issue with machines with pre-installed Win7 is that most of them can only run other os that are just as old. Win10 wouldn't work on them due to hardware conflicts. Most Win10 upgrades seem to be from Win8 to Win10. Think you can upgrade to Win10 from Win7, but you have to get the middle upgrade to Win8 first. Of course that was the situation when I got my Win10 machine, but that was when Win10 was first released and it required the Win8 upgrade from Win7 first. So I just went and got a new comp instead. Don't know the current setup Microsoft is using, but they may have changed that requirement since.
If I remember correctly, wasn't the 'free' Win10 upgrade just for those with the Win8 os preinstalled on the new computer when they buy it, sort of a pre-buy win10 offer type thing? You were still buying Win10 with the comp, but you had to wait for the release date to install it, so they gave you Win8 on the system until then. I don't recall a truly free offer for the Win10 OS, although since I already had it, I may have just not paid attention to this.
You remember incorrectly. 99 times out of 100 - IF your PC ran Win7 fine; it would install and run Windows 10. I upgraded from Win 7 to Win 10 during the 'free' period with no issues. The 'free' Win 10 was for anyone who was running a legitimate/genuine copy of Win 7 or later (IE Win 8/8.1)
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and I was unaware of that free period. Thanks for the info.
I don't know what makes you think windows 7 pc's would have problems running windows 10, I upgraded 2 windows 7 pc's with windows 10 without any problems on the first day the free offer went live, one was a laptop that originally come with windows 7 pre-installed the second was a desktop that come with no OS installed and I bought a very cheep windows 7 installation disk with activation code to install on it.
the only stipulation I know of regarding upgrading to windows 10 was that if you had windows 8 installed you had to make sure you had the 8.1 upgrade installed first and that was just like a service pack update.
there was no requirement to upgrade from windows 7 to windows 8 before upgrading to windows 10, anyone buying a windows 7 or windows 8 pc before windows 10 was released would not have got a windows 10 upgrade included with the purchase but they would have been able to upgrade to windows 10 for free after the official release like anyone else providing they did it in the first year.
anyone buying a windows 7 or windows 8/8.1 pc now would need to buy a windows 10 upgrade if they wanted it.
I only had problems with one other pc when I tried to upgrade it to windows 10 from windows 7 but it was a very old laptop that originally had vista installed and though it ran windows 7 ok and actually run windows 10 ok I could not get a windows 10 compatible graphics driver for it so I was faced with a choice keep it on windows 10 but at very low resolution or wind back to windows 7 and make use of the windows 7 compatible graphics driver, I ended up winding back to windows 7.
if you don't recall a truly free offer for windows 10 you must have been sleeping for that first year as I know of many fairly old windows 7 & 8.1 laptops that upgraded completely free of charge during that year.
the laptop I am using now was a few years old when I got it as a hand-me-down from my daughter and I had been using it for about a year and a half with the preinstalled windows 7 it originally come with before I upgraded it to windows 10 for free and its running better now then it was when I first got it, it just seems like you completely misunderstood everything about upgrading to windows 10 so I don't know where you got your information but it was seriously flawed.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
no, wasn't sleeping that time. Just got mine before the release with the service stipulation that Win10 would be added whenever it finally came out. This was before the official release, so I didn't really pay attention after that point. Still, when I did get mine, it was a win7 to win 8 to win10 situation, which is partly why I broke down and just bought a win8 system with the win10 to be added by Microsoft later on. Things change, and no doubt they changed once everything was released. If my info is out of date, I did mention that what I was referring to was from when I got mine, and that it probably isn't like that now. Especially with comps.
Even with a toy comp or mini-laptop.
I think I said this before: but if it works - USE IT!
All I was discussing were the 'possible' issues and likely outcomes. Will his comp have issues? Most likely. Eventually. At some point. Blah. blah. blah. (Is there really any point in continuing this discussion?)
I'm only going by what I've had to deal with. I don't work for Microsoft. I DO build computers in my spare time, since few machines can do what I need them to when dealing with graphic design. But I've stated elsewhere, I'm not a programmer. I take the shortcuts, such as hiring those who know what I don't to do what I need done in order to get my work completed so that players - such as us - can enjoy the other games I deal with (not STO). It's rare that I'll tinker with an old machine that can't do what I need it to. Those tend to get scrapped. Which was happening fairly often before Win10 was released due to the widening tech gaps between tech and OS and how it affects my work.
If he wants to use a win7 on an ancient machine to run the newest version of STO, and he can get more than 1 frame a minute animation sequences, by all means, let him.
I never ever heard of a "win7 to win 8 to win10 situation" if you could upgrade directly from windows 7 to windows 10 at the start of the offer why should you have needed to go through this rout at any other time during the offer? it doesn't really make any sense.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I'm tired. you wore me out. -.-
sorry you lost me when was it that win10 wouldn't upgrade from 7 because I see the announcement of the windows 10 release way back in January 2015 where it was stated that window 7 would qualify for a free upgrade to windows 10 and that was like the first ever official announcement of the free upgrade offer that I know of.
you can see it in this video
although it is a long video you will see the upgrade announcement in the first 15 minutes.
as windows 10 didn't go on general release until July 29th 2015 as far as I can see it was available at the start of the offer, also like I said I upgraded 2 PC's to windows 10 from win7 on the first day it went live July 29th.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
what they discuss would have been good to know.
sorry I'm still confused, if this was the first ever announcement of a free upgrade offer to windows 10 from 7 or 8 what benefit would you have gained by buying windows 8 PC's before that announcement as they hadn't even officially announced the upgrade offer before January 2015 for win8 anyway.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
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Free upgrade isn't what I had come with my system. It was a paid for upgrade to win10 from win8. A basic package set up BEFORE that vid was made.
didn't I say this? I thought I said this. enough. any confusion left is in what you're adding to what I originally said. the rest doesn't matter.
@doctordna had something actually worth listening to:
Win XP was the most stable OS to date, only reason to upgrade was the RAM restrictions.
New is never better in this world.
You're confused.
Your system likely came with Windows 8 but they included a code or something for a 'free' upgrade to Windows 10. New PC's always do this when the release of a new OS is approaching. When they build the PC's they install the Operating System, box them up and ship them. When MS introduces a new OS, they aren't going to go back and open all those systems and upgrade them, so they just throw in a code to let you do it yourself if you so choose. You purchased a PC with Windows 8 just before the release of Windows 10 so you were given a 'paid upgrade' to Windows 10. It's a common practice with system builders. What you had was different from the free upgrade given out by MS, though you could have upgraded by either method.
There was never a time when Windows 10 required Windows 8 to upgrade, that absolutely never happened. You have always been able to go from 7 to 10.. always. There is also no such thing as 'Windows 7 specific hardware.' Any PC that can run Windows 7 can run Windows 10. In fact if you look, you'll see that Microsoft hasn't even raised system requirements on their Operating systems in over 7 years. The system requirements for Windows 7, 8, 8.1, and Windows 10 are all exactly the same. The full hardware driver library from all previous Windows Versions are included in Windows 10. There are a few devices that might be temperamental and require a 3rd party driver, but even those are few and far between.
I build and repair PC's as a side business, I have upgraded literally hundreds of systems from 7 to 10 and never once seen anything you have described.
In the case of my Windows 7 computer, I had purchased that specific copy in 2009 and still got a free upgrade. Everyone did.
I even upgraded 2 systems that had pirated copies of Windows 7. It upgraded them to legal versions of Windows 10, so I was pretty happy about that.