Windows XP came out in 2001. That's 15 years ago.
What would you have said to someone in 2010, still running Windows 95?
^^^
Me: "Hey, where can you still find Win95 compatible drivers?"
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Windows 7 was officially no longer supported by Microsoft 13 January, 2015.
So how long before STO gives it the boot?
Windows XP was officially no longer supported by Microsoft 8 April, 2014.
So... around December next year, STO might ditch Win7 users? Just a thought...
No, 2014 was end of life for XP - no more security fixes or other patches.
Windows 7 just ended "mainstream support" (free phone support) in 2015. End of life is currently not scheduled until 2020 and is likely to be pushed back to later than that since Microsoft is still allowing companies like Dell to sell 7:
And still, STO is the only game of its kind on the market...
uh. This is an incorrect statement. a little research will show that STO isn't the only game of it's kind. Just one of the more popular for this genre - at this point in time. Don't know how often people post this, but it isn't accurate.
sorry.
there may be other online star trek games out there but they are all crud in comparison to sto, no other star trek game blends space combat, ground combat, puzzle solving and fun in the same way, this makes sto unique as the only good star trek game and by default the only game of its kind on the market.
so your comment that the comment from @sophlogimo is an incorrect statement is in fact an incorrect statement.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Windows XP came out in 2001. That's 15 years ago.
What would you have said to someone in 2010, still running Windows 95?
^^^
Me: "Hey, where can you still find Win95 compatible drivers?"
What? You mean I can't play my game anymore?!
What game is that? My search-fu seriously fails me, since the only ST videogame from 1983 I can find was actually an arcade machine.
Anyway, for ST gaming there's always the ultimate fallback option: Super Star Trek. As long as you have 24 kb of memory and some sort of teletype (smart CRT terminal recommended) it will run.
After March? Well, i have started to look for native linux games who could fill the gap.
That's a perfectly valid choice if dual-booting with your Win10 license is against your OS religion
Cryptic would probably like you to say, just not enough to keep maintaining Direct3D 9 support for a few holdouts.
Your welcome to call Microsoft a religion if it really makes you happy,, All that Motherboard UEFI Subverted by any Windows 8+ install, DirectX, Intel and other Hardware makers dancing to the MS tune, it does look like a cult..
Said way too much here... I'm out and back to Holiday Distractions...
My laptop has a "Mobile Intel 4 Series Express Chipset Family" graphics card. According to things I've foind on a Web search, this should be compatible with DX10 and possibly DX11, but I'm getting the "Support for this video card will end..." message.
What's causing this, should this graphics card be OK? Do I maybe need to install a driver, and if so, what driver and how? I've somehow never had to do drivers before, and don't really know how. Wouldn't want to guess and muck up my graphics card somehow.
(I'm using Vista, not XP, but am intending to switch to Zorin Linux when Vista support ends in spring, assuming they get the Wine/DX10 issue sorted out by then. That way I'll also end up with a laptop with a whole lot more resources available to actually run the game.)
And still, STO is the only game of its kind on the market...
uh. This is an incorrect statement. a little research will show that STO isn't the only game of it's kind. Just one of the more popular for this genre - at this point in time. Don't know how often people post this, but it isn't accurate.
sorry.
there may be other online star trek games out there but they are all crud in comparison to sto, no other star trek game blends space combat, ground combat, puzzle solving and fun in the same way, this makes sto unique as the only good star trek game and by default the only game of its kind on the market.
so your comment that the comment from @sophlogimo is an incorrect statement is in fact an incorrect statement.
now if you're saying that it's the 'Best Star Trek Game of this Time'? That I would agree is a true statement. But if you just go with what he said, stating stating that a game such as this in the genre of Scifi, with ground and space combat - well, that's were we are going to disagree. There are other games with both of these items built into them. And they are online. May not be MMOs, but they are games. so technically, STO isn't the only game of it's kind. a little research can show this. There is one that is due to be released spring of next year, for instance, that 'appears' to blow this game out of the water. However, it is not Star Trek, just scifi.
now we could drag this out and get technical, pointing to this game and that game, but let's face it - nothing I type in conflict with that statement made by @sophlogimo will you want to hear. So, we can just disagree.
I still play STO because I like STO, buggy though it may be. I just disagree with people thinking it's the only one like it. Saying it is would be incorrect. Saying it's the only star trek MMO like it, would be correct. After all, I don't believe it's the first star trek mmo out there, nor the only one.
But I'm tired and not thinking clearly atm. Who knows what I just said.
My laptop has a "Mobile Intel 4 Series Express Chipset Family" graphics card. According to things I've foind on a Web search, this should be compatible with DX10 and possibly DX11, but I'm getting the "Support for this video card will end..." message.
What's causing this, should this graphics card be OK? Do I maybe need to install a driver, and if so, what driver and how? I've somehow never had to do drivers before, and don't really know how. Wouldn't want to guess and muck up my graphics card somehow.
(I'm using Vista, not XP, but am intending to switch to Zorin Linux when Vista support ends in spring, assuming they get the Wine/DX10 issue sorted out by then. That way I'll also end up with a laptop with a whole lot more resources available to actually run the game.)
Vista? ugh. I had a Vista system, and that OS would eat just about everything. There was an auto-updater built into it that acted more like maleware than a critical part of the OS. But it was. Sony designed it that way. Would use up to 70% or more of the cpu whenever it felt like it. Couldn't turn it off. Couldn't delete it as it just reinstall itself. one of the worst machines I ever owned. I was glad to get rid of it. Not saying your's is, since if you can get STO to work on it at all I'm amazed.
wow.
Actually, I think my brother ran over mine. Believe it was the Vista. Or else it was the one that died the day the warranty ran out. can't remember.
And still, STO is the only game of its kind on the market...
uh. This is an incorrect statement. a little research will show that STO isn't the only game of it's kind. Just one of the more popular for this genre - at this point in time. Don't know how often people post this, but it isn't accurate.
sorry.
there may be other online star trek games out there but they are all crud in comparison to sto, no other star trek game blends space combat, ground combat, puzzle solving and fun in the same way, this makes sto unique as the only good star trek game and by default the only game of its kind on the market.
so your comment that the comment from @sophlogimo is an incorrect statement is in fact an incorrect statement.
now if you're saying that it's the 'Best Star Trek Game of this Time'? That I would agree is a true statement. But if you just go with what he said, stating stating that a game such as this in the genre of Scifi, with ground and space combat - well, that's were we are going to disagree. There are other games with both of these items built into them. And they are online. May not be MMOs, but they are games. so technically, STO isn't the only game of it's kind. a little research can show this. There is one that is due to be released spring of next year, for instance, that 'appears' to blow this game out of the water. However, it is not Star Trek, just scifi.
now we could drag this out and get technical, pointing to this game and that game, but let's face it - nothing I type in conflict with that statement made by @sophlogimo will you want to hear. So, we can just disagree.
I still play STO because I like STO, buggy though it may be. I just disagree with people thinking it's the only one like it. Saying it is would be incorrect. Saying it's the only star trek MMO like it, would be correct. After all, I don't believe it's the first star trek mmo out there, nor the only one.
But I'm tired and not thinking clearly atm. Who knows what I just said.
it all depends on what @sophlogimo meant by what he said, he didn't actually say it was the only game with genre of Scifi, with ground and space combat or even MMO, all he said was "STO is the only game of its kind on the market" I took that to mean as I said before that "no other star trek game blends space combat, ground combat, puzzle solving and fun in the same way" and in this respect as you say yourself "'saying that it's the Best Star Trek Game of this Time'? That I would agree is a true statement." & "Saying it's the only star trek MMO like it, would be correct" and this is what I believe he meant, therefore he is correct in my view.
you could also add to his comment the fact that personally I have tried other star trek online games and many other sci-fi MMO's and there are none that I have played for very long, it is only sto that has captivated my imagination enough to make it a joy to play these last 5 years and buy the lifetime sub, that in itself makes sto the "only game of its kind on the market" in my eyes but that is just a personal preference, perhaps @sophlogimo was also stating his personal preference and that again would make his comment true.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
My laptop has a "Mobile Intel 4 Series Express Chipset Family" graphics card. According to things I've foind on a Web search, this should be compatible with DX10 and possibly DX11, but I'm getting the "Support for this video card will end..." message.
What's causing this, should this graphics card be OK? Do I maybe need to install a driver, and if so, what driver and how? I've somehow never had to do drivers before, and don't really know how. Wouldn't want to guess and muck up my graphics card somehow.
(I'm using Vista, not XP, but am intending to switch to Zorin Linux when Vista support ends in spring, assuming they get the Wine/DX10 issue sorted out by then. That way I'll also end up with a laptop with a whole lot more resources available to actually run the game.)
You have an Intel GMA 4500 graphics core in the laptop. It is pretty weak considering it is from 2009. It supports Dx10 so you should still be able to play STO. The e
Have you considered buying a new laptop? A modern laptop with a Core i3-6100u / Core i3-7100u CPU with an integrated Intel HD 520 / HD 620 for less than $350 will provide a significant performance increase.
Vista? ugh. I had a Vista system, and that OS would eat just about everything. There was an auto-updater built into it that acted more like maleware than a critical part of the OS. But it was. Sony designed it that way. Would use up to 70% or more of the cpu whenever it felt like it. Couldn't turn it off. Couldn't delete it as it just reinstall itself. one of the worst machines I ever owned. I was glad to get rid of it. Not saying your's is, since if you can get STO to work on it at all I'm amazed.
Well, it doesn't work *well*. Have to have all the graphics on minimum settings and even then it sticks from time to time. I've noticed myself how hoggy Vista is, although luckily I at least don't have a thing like that Sony thing of yours, but Vista still sprawls all over every available bit of RAM and never clears up its files unless you make it. That's why I've got my eye on Linux. (That and Windows 10 has a reputation for being spyware-like and generally annoying. I do like a computer that I can see what it's doing.) I have considered getting a new one, but it does everything else I want it to do, and it's not my money. On my current set-up, Vista alone is taking half the system resources. From what I've read, Zorin Linux appears to take less than half the resources that Vista's currently taking - so in that case, that should improve things by yards even with the same computer.
You have an Intel GMA 4500 graphics core in the laptop. It is pretty weak considering it is from 2009. It supports Dx10 so you should still be able to play STO.
Hang on, how the heck do you know when my laptop is from? (Or were those cards only ever sold in that one year and you mean that they were weak compared to other cards from that year?)
And still, STO is the only game of its kind on the market...
uh. This is an incorrect statement. a little research will show that STO isn't the only game of it's kind. Just one of the more popular for this genre - at this point in time. Don't know how often people post this, but it isn't accurate.
sorry.
there may be other online star trek games out there but they are all crud in comparison to sto, no other star trek game blends space combat, ground combat, puzzle solving and fun in the same way, this makes sto unique as the only good star trek game and by default the only game of its kind on the market.
so your comment that the comment from @sophlogimo is an incorrect statement is in fact an incorrect statement.
now if you're saying that it's the 'Best Star Trek Game of this Time'? That I would agree is a true statement. But if you just go with what he said, stating stating that a game such as this in the genre of Scifi, with ground and space combat - well, that's were we are going to disagree. There are other games with both of these items built into them. And they are online. May not be MMOs, but they are games. so technically, STO isn't the only game of it's kind. a little research can show this. There is one that is due to be released spring of next year, for instance, that 'appears' to blow this game out of the water. However, it is not Star Trek, just scifi.
now we could drag this out and get technical, pointing to this game and that game, but let's face it - nothing I type in conflict with that statement made by @sophlogimo will you want to hear. So, we can just disagree.
I still play STO because I like STO, buggy though it may be. I just disagree with people thinking it's the only one like it. Saying it is would be incorrect. Saying it's the only star trek MMO like it, would be correct. After all, I don't believe it's the first star trek mmo out there, nor the only one.
But I'm tired and not thinking clearly atm. Who knows what I just said.
it all depends on what @sophlogimo meant by what he said, he didn't actually say it was the only game with genre of Scifi, with ground and space combat or even MMO, all he said was "STO is the only game of its kind on the market" I took that to mean as I said before that "no other star trek game blends space combat, ground combat, puzzle solving and fun in the same way" and in this respect as you say yourself "'saying that it's the Best Star Trek Game of this Time'? That I would agree is a true statement." & "Saying it's the only star trek MMO like it, would be correct" and this is what I believe he meant, therefore he is correct in my view.
you could also add to his comment the fact that personally I have tried other star trek online games and many other sci-fi MMO's and there are none that I have played for very long, it is only sto that has captivated my imagination enough to make it a joy to play these last 5 years and buy the lifetime sub, that in itself makes sto the "only game of its kind on the market" in my eyes but that is just a personal preference, perhaps @sophlogimo was also stating his personal preference and that again would make his comment true.
You have an Intel GMA 4500 graphics core in the laptop. It is pretty weak considering it is from 2009. It supports Dx10 so you should still be able to play STO.
Hang on, how the heck do you know when my laptop is from? (Or were those cards only ever sold in that one year and you mean that they were weak compared to other cards from that year?)
You stated you have the "Mobile Intel 4 Series Express Chipset Family". That is how I was able to determine the age of your laptop. That family of chipset was released back in 2008 and in 2009. Depending on the specific chipset it either has the Intel GMA X4500, GMA X4500HD or the GMA 4500MHD graphics core in that chipset. That also tells me that the laptop has a Core 2 Duo CPU or a Pentium CPU based on that architecture.
While it does support DirectX 10, it is also pretty old. It is possible that you are receiving the error message when you launch STO because Cryptic might have a list of compatible DX 10 graphic cores and graphic cards as one of the checks. It is possible that the Intel GMA X4500 / X4500HD / 4500MHD graphic cores are not on that list.
Intel did not really focus any attention to developing an integrated graphics core with "performance" until they released the Intel HD 2000 / HD 3000 series graphic core that were integrated into the 2nd generation Sandy Bridge Intel Core i3 / i5/ i7 desktop and mobile CPUs. The Intel HD 3000 faired decently well against the nVidia Geforce 210m back then. The most current mainstream Intel graphics core current 7th generation Kaby Lake Intel Core i3 / i5/ i7 CPU is the Intel HD 620. It's performance is somewhat close to the nVidia 920m.
Windows 7 was officially no longer supported by Microsoft 13 January, 2015.
Funny how I was able to get a new Dell laptop this year running Windows 7.
And you can still get them with win95 on them from some shops, especially if you order online.
But I'll let someone else comment about doing such a thing.
Funny how I was able to get a new Dell laptop this year running Windows 7.
To be specific, you bought a laptop with Windows 7 Professional. Microsoft allows the sale of new laptops to have Win 7 Pro since businesses generally do not adopt new operating systems as quickly as consumers since there are security and compatibility risks involved. Depending on the size of the business that risk could be measured in the millions of dollars to billions of dollars.
In any case, mainstream support for Windows 7 has ended on January 13, 2015. However, extended support will end on January 14, 2020.
Which gives him another 2 years or so of usage, which isn't bad. May not be able to use anything newer than earlier this year, but that's a tech compatibility issue and besides the point.
Windows 7 was officially no longer supported by Microsoft 13 January, 2015.
Funny how I was able to get a new Dell laptop this year running Windows 7.
unless a laptop specifically running Windows 7 or some other platform was required for some reason I think I would have been tempted to give anything that didn't include windows 10 a very wide miss, when I buy a new laptop I want everything on it as up to date as possible and it is most importantly the case to have the most recent OS pre-installed.
buying anything less is just buying old out of date hardware and software.
funnily enough a few days ago I was looking at 2nd hand laptops with windows 7 for sale in a well known pawnbrokers shop window and remember thinking I wouldn't even buy a 2nd hand machine with anything less then windows 10 installed, it would just be money down the drain IMO.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
funnily enough a few days ago I was looking at 2nd hand laptops with windows 7 for sale in a well known pawnbrokers shop window and remember thinking I wouldn't even buy a 2nd hand machine with anything less then windows 10 installed, it would just be money down the drain IMO.
It is still possible to upgrade to Windows 10 for free. This is provided for those individuals who need to use assistive technologies on the premise that the assistive tech hardware did not support Windows 10 when the free upgrade period for the general public expired.
funnily enough a few days ago I was looking at 2nd hand laptops with windows 7 for sale in a well known pawnbrokers shop window and remember thinking I wouldn't even buy a 2nd hand machine with anything less then windows 10 installed, it would just be money down the drain IMO.
It is still possible to upgrade to Windows 10 for free. This is provided for those individuals who need to use assistive technologies on the premise that the assistive tech hardware did not support Windows 10 when the free upgrade period for the general public expired.
yes, you can upgrade to Win10. But I think part of the issue with machines with pre-installed Win7 is that most of them can only run other os that are just as old. Win10 wouldn't work on them due to hardware conflicts. Most Win10 upgrades seem to be from Win8 to Win10. Think you can upgrade to Win10 from Win7, but you have to get the middle upgrade to Win8 first. Of course that was the situation when I got my Win10 machine, but that was when Win10 was first released and it required the Win8 upgrade from Win7 first. So I just went and got a new comp instead. Don't know the current setup Microsoft is using, but they may have changed that requirement since.
If I remember correctly, wasn't the 'free' Win10 upgrade just for those with the Win8 os preinstalled on the new computer when they buy it, sort of a pre-buy win10 offer type thing? You were still buying Win10 with the comp, but you had to wait for the release date to install it, so they gave you Win8 on the system until then. I don't recall a truly free offer for the Win10 OS, although since I already had it, I may have just not paid attention to this.
funnily enough a few days ago I was looking at 2nd hand laptops with windows 7 for sale in a well known pawnbrokers shop window and remember thinking I wouldn't even buy a 2nd hand machine with anything less then windows 10 installed, it would just be money down the drain IMO.
It is still possible to upgrade to Windows 10 for free. This is provided for those individuals who need to use assistive technologies on the premise that the assistive tech hardware did not support Windows 10 when the free upgrade period for the general public expired.
yes, you can upgrade to Win10. But I think part of the issue with machines with pre-installed Win7 is that most of them can only run other os that are just as old. Win10 wouldn't work on them due to hardware conflicts. Most Win10 upgrades seem to be from Win8 to Win10. Think you can upgrade to Win10 from Win7, but you have to get the middle upgrade to Win8 first. Of course that was the situation when I got my Win10 machine, but that was when Win10 was first released and it required the Win8 upgrade from Win7 first. So I just went and got a new comp instead. Don't know the current setup Microsoft is using, but they may have changed that requirement since.
If I remember correctly, wasn't the 'free' Win10 upgrade just for those with the Win8 os preinstalled on the new computer when they buy it, sort of a pre-buy win10 offer type thing? You were still buying Win10 with the comp, but you had to wait for the release date to install it, so they gave you Win8 on the system until then. I don't recall a truly free offer for the Win10 OS, although since I already had it, I may have just not paid attention to this.
You remember incorrectly. 99 times out of 100 - IF your PC ran Win7 fine; it would install and run Windows 10. I upgraded from Win 7 to Win 10 during the 'free' period with no issues. The 'free' Win 10 was for anyone who was running a legitimate/genuine copy of Win 7 or later (IE Win 8/8.1)
Formerly known as Armsman from June 2008 to June 20, 2012 PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
run it, yes. run it well without problems, maybe. it's a hardware issue that Microsoft discusses when talking about upgrading to win10. not saying win7 hardware can't use win10. Only said it would have issues, even if you don't notice them. If you bought a comp with win7 on it and it is a new comp, then you just bought a windows downgrade feature that is less expensive, as the computer itself (if a recent tech) is most likely win10 compatible. Original Win7 machines are not (edited for clarity: meaning by original win7 machine, the ones that came out the 2 years around the release of win7, not a machine with win7 from this year for example.)
and I was unaware of that free period. Thanks for the info.
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Me: "Hey, where can you still find Win95 compatible drivers?"
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
good to know.
What? You mean I can't play my game anymore?!
That's a perfectly valid choice if dual-booting with your Win10 license is against your OS religion
Cryptic would probably like you to say, just not enough to keep maintaining Direct3D 9 support for a few holdouts.
there may be other online star trek games out there but they are all crud in comparison to sto, no other star trek game blends space combat, ground combat, puzzle solving and fun in the same way, this makes sto unique as the only good star trek game and by default the only game of its kind on the market.
so your comment that the comment from @sophlogimo is an incorrect statement is in fact an incorrect statement.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
What game is that? My search-fu seriously fails me, since the only ST videogame from 1983 I can find was actually an arcade machine.
Anyway, for ST gaming there's always the ultimate fallback option: Super Star Trek. As long as you have 24 kb of memory and some sort of teletype (smart CRT terminal recommended) it will run.
Your welcome to call Microsoft a religion if it really makes you happy,, All that Motherboard UEFI Subverted by any Windows 8+ install, DirectX, Intel and other Hardware makers dancing to the MS tune, it does look like a cult..
Said way too much here... I'm out and back to Holiday Distractions...
What's causing this, should this graphics card be OK? Do I maybe need to install a driver, and if so, what driver and how? I've somehow never had to do drivers before, and don't really know how. Wouldn't want to guess and muck up my graphics card somehow.
(I'm using Vista, not XP, but am intending to switch to Zorin Linux when Vista support ends in spring, assuming they get the Wine/DX10 issue sorted out by then. That way I'll also end up with a laptop with a whole lot more resources available to actually run the game.)
now if you're saying that it's the 'Best Star Trek Game of this Time'? That I would agree is a true statement. But if you just go with what he said, stating stating that a game such as this in the genre of Scifi, with ground and space combat - well, that's were we are going to disagree. There are other games with both of these items built into them. And they are online. May not be MMOs, but they are games. so technically, STO isn't the only game of it's kind. a little research can show this. There is one that is due to be released spring of next year, for instance, that 'appears' to blow this game out of the water. However, it is not Star Trek, just scifi.
now we could drag this out and get technical, pointing to this game and that game, but let's face it - nothing I type in conflict with that statement made by @sophlogimo will you want to hear. So, we can just disagree.
I still play STO because I like STO, buggy though it may be. I just disagree with people thinking it's the only one like it. Saying it is would be incorrect. Saying it's the only star trek MMO like it, would be correct. After all, I don't believe it's the first star trek mmo out there, nor the only one.
But I'm tired and not thinking clearly atm. Who knows what I just said.
Vista? ugh. I had a Vista system, and that OS would eat just about everything. There was an auto-updater built into it that acted more like maleware than a critical part of the OS. But it was. Sony designed it that way. Would use up to 70% or more of the cpu whenever it felt like it. Couldn't turn it off. Couldn't delete it as it just reinstall itself. one of the worst machines I ever owned. I was glad to get rid of it. Not saying your's is, since if you can get STO to work on it at all I'm amazed.
wow.
Actually, I think my brother ran over mine. Believe it was the Vista. Or else it was the one that died the day the warranty ran out. can't remember.
it all depends on what @sophlogimo meant by what he said, he didn't actually say it was the only game with genre of Scifi, with ground and space combat or even MMO, all he said was "STO is the only game of its kind on the market" I took that to mean as I said before that "no other star trek game blends space combat, ground combat, puzzle solving and fun in the same way" and in this respect as you say yourself "'saying that it's the Best Star Trek Game of this Time'? That I would agree is a true statement." & "Saying it's the only star trek MMO like it, would be correct" and this is what I believe he meant, therefore he is correct in my view.
you could also add to his comment the fact that personally I have tried other star trek online games and many other sci-fi MMO's and there are none that I have played for very long, it is only sto that has captivated my imagination enough to make it a joy to play these last 5 years and buy the lifetime sub, that in itself makes sto the "only game of its kind on the market" in my eyes but that is just a personal preference, perhaps @sophlogimo was also stating his personal preference and that again would make his comment true.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
You have an Intel GMA 4500 graphics core in the laptop. It is pretty weak considering it is from 2009. It supports Dx10 so you should still be able to play STO. The e
Have you considered buying a new laptop? A modern laptop with a Core i3-6100u / Core i3-7100u CPU with an integrated Intel HD 520 / HD 620 for less than $350 will provide a significant performance increase.
So if the card does indeed support DX10, then why am I getting the warning message saying that it doesn't, and do I need to worry about it?
Well, it doesn't work *well*.
Hang on, how the heck do you know when my laptop is from? (Or were those cards only ever sold in that one year and you mean that they were weak compared to other cards from that year?)
yes. the sound logical.
You stated you have the "Mobile Intel 4 Series Express Chipset Family". That is how I was able to determine the age of your laptop. That family of chipset was released back in 2008 and in 2009. Depending on the specific chipset it either has the Intel GMA X4500, GMA X4500HD or the GMA 4500MHD graphics core in that chipset. That also tells me that the laptop has a Core 2 Duo CPU or a Pentium CPU based on that architecture.
While it does support DirectX 10, it is also pretty old. It is possible that you are receiving the error message when you launch STO because Cryptic might have a list of compatible DX 10 graphic cores and graphic cards as one of the checks. It is possible that the Intel GMA X4500 / X4500HD / 4500MHD graphic cores are not on that list.
Intel did not really focus any attention to developing an integrated graphics core with "performance" until they released the Intel HD 2000 / HD 3000 series graphic core that were integrated into the 2nd generation Sandy Bridge Intel Core i3 / i5/ i7 desktop and mobile CPUs. The Intel HD 3000 faired decently well against the nVidia Geforce 210m back then. The most current mainstream Intel graphics core current 7th generation Kaby Lake Intel Core i3 / i5/ i7 CPU is the Intel HD 620. It's performance is somewhat close to the nVidia 920m.
You have to manually switch your game to use DX11 in the display options. Otherwise it complains every time you start.
Funny how I was able to get a new Dell laptop this year running Windows 7.
And you can still get them with win95 on them from some shops, especially if you order online.
But I'll let someone else comment about doing such a thing.
To be specific, you bought a laptop with Windows 7 Professional. Microsoft allows the sale of new laptops to have Win 7 Pro since businesses generally do not adopt new operating systems as quickly as consumers since there are security and compatibility risks involved. Depending on the size of the business that risk could be measured in the millions of dollars to billions of dollars.
In any case, mainstream support for Windows 7 has ended on January 13, 2015. However, extended support will end on January 14, 2020.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet
Ah - simple as that - thanks Warpangel!
unless a laptop specifically running Windows 7 or some other platform was required for some reason I think I would have been tempted to give anything that didn't include windows 10 a very wide miss, when I buy a new laptop I want everything on it as up to date as possible and it is most importantly the case to have the most recent OS pre-installed.
buying anything less is just buying old out of date hardware and software.
funnily enough a few days ago I was looking at 2nd hand laptops with windows 7 for sale in a well known pawnbrokers shop window and remember thinking I wouldn't even buy a 2nd hand machine with anything less then windows 10 installed, it would just be money down the drain IMO.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
It is still possible to upgrade to Windows 10 for free. This is provided for those individuals who need to use assistive technologies on the premise that the assistive tech hardware did not support Windows 10 when the free upgrade period for the general public expired.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgrade
yes, you can upgrade to Win10. But I think part of the issue with machines with pre-installed Win7 is that most of them can only run other os that are just as old. Win10 wouldn't work on them due to hardware conflicts. Most Win10 upgrades seem to be from Win8 to Win10. Think you can upgrade to Win10 from Win7, but you have to get the middle upgrade to Win8 first. Of course that was the situation when I got my Win10 machine, but that was when Win10 was first released and it required the Win8 upgrade from Win7 first. So I just went and got a new comp instead. Don't know the current setup Microsoft is using, but they may have changed that requirement since.
If I remember correctly, wasn't the 'free' Win10 upgrade just for those with the Win8 os preinstalled on the new computer when they buy it, sort of a pre-buy win10 offer type thing? You were still buying Win10 with the comp, but you had to wait for the release date to install it, so they gave you Win8 on the system until then. I don't recall a truly free offer for the Win10 OS, although since I already had it, I may have just not paid attention to this.
You remember incorrectly. 99 times out of 100 - IF your PC ran Win7 fine; it would install and run Windows 10. I upgraded from Win 7 to Win 10 during the 'free' period with no issues. The 'free' Win 10 was for anyone who was running a legitimate/genuine copy of Win 7 or later (IE Win 8/8.1)
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and I was unaware of that free period. Thanks for the info.