anyhow, my own take of starfleet in my stories, is that being out in space, for months or years....the dress codes are pretty flexible and liberal (look at Troi, until that ole iron butt jalico showed up) and crewmen will customize their looks. Hell, one on ship, the cap I made authorized an optional casual wear option, since 30 years in space is a long time and some comforts are gonna be needed, plus sometimes crew might be called for help during off times, etc.
And as for Troi, an absolutely ludicrous character pandering to a ludicrous ethic of a ludicrous social ideology... The idea of a starship having a psychiatrist on board, perfect sense... The idea of a starship's captain needing his therapist holding his hand on the bridge, ludicrous... P
If more ships had counsellors with empathic or even better telepathic abilities, then they would be sitting right by the Captain as well. The whole purpose of Troi on the bridge was to give valuable insight into Picard's opponent.
To which you're then getting into the realm of tokenism due to quotas, a holdover of the Politically Correct rhetoric...
Perhaps it would be easier to just say that only Betazoids can be ships commanding officers, because then they are working on their own insights, rather than the delay created by having them verbally delivered by the counsellor...
The problem is that Deanna was serving dual role as not only the ship's senior psychologist (a role as vital to a closed community as any doctor) but also as an adviser to Picard (a position for which, he had Riker, and the rest of the senior staff... Every minute she spent on the bridge, was time she wasn't holding surgeries and dealing with the psychological well-being of the rest of the crew... The concept was a nonsense one, and examining it in depth, makes the flaws more obvious...
Equally, Ezri was a counsellor, and she was not telepathic, so that's hardly a valid job criteria
What surgeries? TNG is not set in the 20th Century with Lobotomies, Electroshock Therapy, and other brutal psychiatric procedures. Besides a Counselor has never conducted these type of barbaric procedures. They might have been able to recommend a patient for such a procedure, but that is it.
As far as the psychological well-being of the crew, most of the crew has to be psychologically stable to be on the flagship of the Federation. So Troi's only constant patient would be Barclay. So it is likely she has 2 to 3 hours of appointments each day in addition to her time on the bridge which could be anywhere from 0 hours to 4 hours in a day depending on the situation.
Riker and the rest of the senior staff had other jobs beside being an adviser. So every minute Crusher or La Forge was on the bridge was time they weren't taking care of Sickbay and Engineering. If Crusher and La Forge have time to advise Picard and do their main job means that Troi had time to advise Picard and take care of the psychological well-being of the crew as well.
anyhow, my own take of starfleet in my stories, is that being out in space, for months or years....the dress codes are pretty flexible and liberal (look at Troi, until that ole iron butt jalico showed up) and crewmen will customize their looks. Hell, one on ship, the cap I made authorized an optional casual wear option, since 30 years in space is a long time and some comforts are gonna be needed, plus sometimes crew might be called for help during off times, etc.
And as for Troi, an absolutely ludicrous character pandering to a ludicrous ethic of a ludicrous social ideology... The idea of a starship having a psychiatrist on board, perfect sense... The idea of a starship's captain needing his therapist holding his hand on the bridge, ludicrous... P
If more ships had counsellors with empathic or even better telepathic abilities, then they would be sitting right by the Captain as well. The whole purpose of Troi on the bridge was to give valuable insight into Picard's opponent.
To which you're then getting into the realm of tokenism due to quotas, a holdover of the Politically Correct rhetoric...
Perhaps it would be easier to just say that only Betazoids can be ships commanding officers, because then they are working on their own insights, rather than the delay created by having them verbally delivered by the counsellor...
The problem is that Deanna was serving dual role as not only the ship's senior psychologist (a role as vital to a closed community as any doctor) but also as an adviser to Picard (a position for which, he had Riker, and the rest of the senior staff... Every minute she spent on the bridge, was time she wasn't holding surgeries and dealing with the psychological well-being of the rest of the crew... The concept was a nonsense one, and examining it in depth, makes the flaws more obvious...
Equally, Ezri was a counsellor, and she was not telepathic, so that's hardly a valid job criteria
What surgeries? TNG is not set in the 20th Century with Lobotomies, Electroshock Therapy, and other brutal psychiatric procedures. Besides a Counselor has never conducted these type of barbaric procedures. They might have been able to recommend a patient for such a procedure, but that is it.
As far as the psychological well-being of the crew, most of the crew has to be psychologically stable to be on the flagship of the Federation. So Troi's only constant patient would be Barclay. So it is likely she has 2 to 3 hours of appointments each day in addition to her time on the bridge which could be anywhere from 0 hours to 4 hours in a day depending on the situation.
Riker and the rest of the senior staff had other jobs beside being an adviser. So every minute Crusher or La Forge was on the bridge was time they weren't taking care of Sickbay and Engineering. If Crusher and La Forge have time to advise Picard and do their main job means that Troi had time to advise Picard and take care of the psychological well-being of the crew as well.
In the UK, when politicians have open sessions for their constituents, they are called surgeries... The building where a doctor practices medicine, is called a surgery... Swap the word 'surgeries' for 'appointments/sessions' if it helps, sorry for the confusion
Mental health on a starship, would be subject to the same pressures as aboard a submarine (ie it really needs monitoring) Dr Crusher was rarely on the bridge, where Deanna was essentially glued to Picard's side, acting solely as his consigliere, rather than being openly-available to the crew for her psychological expertise... Geordi was able to monitor engineering from the bridge engineering console, and any time things got serious, he would always excuse himself to go to where he was needed
Well I think Troi was a full psychiatrist or psychologist not just a counselor so she would be either a PHD (psychologist) or MD (psychiatrist), leaning towards PHD as she didn't seem overly informed on medical matters.
I believe that in some instances, someone has to be an MD to practice psychiatry, but that may vary from region to region, and as above, I was using 'surgeries' to mean 'open for clients', not trepanning the crew or subjecting them to the Ludovico Technique
Do we know what the requirements will be in the 23rd, 24th, or 25th Century for these Professions?
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I looked it up before posting, as I said a psychologist is a PHD (or PsyD) & a psychiatrist is an MD, some "counselors" or therapists only have a Bachelor's degree.
OT: One of the funniest things I ever learned from Lois Lane take the word Therapist & add a space & you have The Rapist.
It would be interesting to know which Deanna actually was (I'm leaning more towards PhD rather fhan MD)
It matters not one wit, but the speculation amongst the 'monks' was whether she had a PhD or an MD, meaning a Psychologist or Psychiatrist. Do they have the same meaning 300 or 400 years in the future? I mean 'Doctors' bloodlet the 'humors' out of patients in the before times. We don't do that now, do we?
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'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
It matters not one wit, but the speculation amongst the 'monks' was whether she had a PhD or an MD, meaning a Psychologist or Psychiatrist. Do they have the same meaning 300 or 400 years in the future? I mean 'Doctors' bloodlet the 'humors' out of patients in the before times. We don't do that now, do we?
Also given that she was a Starfleet officer, would that even apply to her the same way?
It matters not one wit, but the speculation amongst the 'monks' was whether she had a PhD or an MD, meaning a Psychologist or Psychiatrist. Do they have the same meaning 300 or 400 years in the future? I mean 'Doctors' bloodlet the 'humors' out of patients in the before times. We don't do that now, do we?
Like I said, I couldn't care less either way, I certainly never raised the subject of qualifications, so why are you trying to make an issue about it?
Who's making an issue? Not I. You are not the one doing all this speculation on degree qualifications, so it is not directed in any way at you.
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'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
It matters not one wit, but the speculation amongst the 'monks' was whether she had a PhD or an MD, meaning a Psychologist or Psychiatrist. Do they have the same meaning 300 or 400 years in the future? I mean 'Doctors' bloodlet the 'humors' out of patients in the before times. We don't do that now, do we?
The first person to mention the differences in doctorates regarding the issue was azrael, and since you clearly scorn the conversation/musings we were having, I see no reason for you to comment at all, other than to try and be contrary and provoke an argument :-\
anyhow, my own take of starfleet in my stories, is that being out in space, for months or years....the dress codes are pretty flexible and liberal (look at Troi, until that ole iron butt jalico showed up) and crewmen will customize their looks. Hell, one on ship, the cap I made authorized an optional casual wear option, since 30 years in space is a long time and some comforts are gonna be needed, plus sometimes crew might be called for help during off times, etc.
And as for Troi, an absolutely ludicrous character pandering to a ludicrous ethic of a ludicrous social ideology... The idea of a starship having a psychiatrist on board, perfect sense... The idea of a starship's captain needing his therapist holding his hand on the bridge, ludicrous... P
If more ships had counsellors with empathic or even better telepathic abilities, then they would be sitting right by the Captain as well. The whole purpose of Troi on the bridge was to give valuable insight into Picard's opponent.
To which you're then getting into the realm of tokenism due to quotas, a holdover of the Politically Correct rhetoric...
Perhaps it would be easier to just say that only Betazoids can be ships commanding officers, because then they are working on their own insights, rather than the delay created by having them verbally delivered by the counsellor...
The problem is that Deanna was serving dual role as not only the ship's senior psychologist (a role as vital to a closed community as any doctor) but also as an adviser to Picard (a position for which, he had Riker, and the rest of the senior staff... Every minute she spent on the bridge, was time she wasn't holding surgeries and dealing with the psychological well-being of the rest of the crew... The concept was a nonsense one, and examining it in depth, makes the flaws more obvious...
Equally, Ezri was a counsellor, and she was not telepathic, so that's hardly a valid job criteria
What surgeries? TNG is not set in the 20th Century with Lobotomies, Electroshock Therapy, and other brutal psychiatric procedures. Besides a Counselor has never conducted these type of barbaric procedures. They might have been able to recommend a patient for such a procedure, but that is it.
As far as the psychological well-being of the crew, most of the crew has to be psychologically stable to be on the flagship of the Federation. So Troi's only constant patient would be Barclay. So it is likely she has 2 to 3 hours of appointments each day in addition to her time on the bridge which could be anywhere from 0 hours to 4 hours in a day depending on the situation.
Riker and the rest of the senior staff had other jobs beside being an adviser. So every minute Crusher or La Forge was on the bridge was time they weren't taking care of Sickbay and Engineering. If Crusher and La Forge have time to advise Picard and do their main job means that Troi had time to advise Picard and take care of the psychological well-being of the crew as well.
Mental health on a starship, would be subject to the same pressures as aboard a submarine (ie it really needs monitoring) Dr Crusher was rarely on the bridge, where Deanna was essentially glued to Picard's side, acting solely as his consigliere, rather than being openly-available to the crew for her psychological expertise... Geordi was able to monitor engineering from the bridge engineering console, and any time things got serious, he would always excuse himself to go to where he was needed
A major difference between Troi vs. Crusher and La Forge is that Troi takes care of the mental health of patients through appointments while Crusher and La Forge have to be in Sickbay or Engineering in case of some emergency or make sure that someone competent is in Sickbay or Engineering. If Troi needs to head to the bridge for whatever reason, then she can always reschedule the appointment. The only psychological emergencies seem to come from Barclay or after a disaster occurs.
It is possible that the reason why Troi is always by the Captain's side on the bridge is that she is bored. Besides Barclay, the rest of the Enterprise's crew seem fairly well adjusted and might need only a monthly or annually appointment. So the time when she is on the bridge is her spare time.
anyhow, my own take of starfleet in my stories, is that being out in space, for months or years....the dress codes are pretty flexible and liberal (look at Troi, until that ole iron butt jalico showed up) and crewmen will customize their looks. Hell, one on ship, the cap I made authorized an optional casual wear option, since 30 years in space is a long time and some comforts are gonna be needed, plus sometimes crew might be called for help during off times, etc.
And as for Troi, an absolutely ludicrous character pandering to a ludicrous ethic of a ludicrous social ideology... The idea of a starship having a psychiatrist on board, perfect sense... The idea of a starship's captain needing his therapist holding his hand on the bridge, ludicrous... P
If more ships had counsellors with empathic or even better telepathic abilities, then they would be sitting right by the Captain as well. The whole purpose of Troi on the bridge was to give valuable insight into Picard's opponent.
To which you're then getting into the realm of tokenism due to quotas, a holdover of the Politically Correct rhetoric...
Perhaps it would be easier to just say that only Betazoids can be ships commanding officers, because then they are working on their own insights, rather than the delay created by having them verbally delivered by the counsellor...
The problem is that Deanna was serving dual role as not only the ship's senior psychologist (a role as vital to a closed community as any doctor) but also as an adviser to Picard (a position for which, he had Riker, and the rest of the senior staff... Every minute she spent on the bridge, was time she wasn't holding surgeries and dealing with the psychological well-being of the rest of the crew... The concept was a nonsense one, and examining it in depth, makes the flaws more obvious...
Equally, Ezri was a counsellor, and she was not telepathic, so that's hardly a valid job criteria
What surgeries? TNG is not set in the 20th Century with Lobotomies, Electroshock Therapy, and other brutal psychiatric procedures. Besides a Counselor has never conducted these type of barbaric procedures. They might have been able to recommend a patient for such a procedure, but that is it.
As far as the psychological well-being of the crew, most of the crew has to be psychologically stable to be on the flagship of the Federation. So Troi's only constant patient would be Barclay. So it is likely she has 2 to 3 hours of appointments each day in addition to her time on the bridge which could be anywhere from 0 hours to 4 hours in a day depending on the situation.
Riker and the rest of the senior staff had other jobs beside being an adviser. So every minute Crusher or La Forge was on the bridge was time they weren't taking care of Sickbay and Engineering. If Crusher and La Forge have time to advise Picard and do their main job means that Troi had time to advise Picard and take care of the psychological well-being of the crew as well.
Mental health on a starship, would be subject to the same pressures as aboard a submarine (ie it really needs monitoring) Dr Crusher was rarely on the bridge, where Deanna was essentially glued to Picard's side, acting solely as his consigliere, rather than being openly-available to the crew for her psychological expertise... Geordi was able to monitor engineering from the bridge engineering console, and any time things got serious, he would always excuse himself to go to where he was needed
A major difference between Troi vs. Crusher and La Forge is that Troi takes care of the mental health of patients through appointments while Crusher and La Forge have to be in Sickbay or Engineering in case of some emergency or make sure that someone competent is in Sickbay or Engineering. If Troi needs to head to the bridge for whatever reason, then she can always reschedule the appointment. The only psychological emergencies seem to come from Barclay or after a disaster occurs.
It is possible that the reason why Troi is always by the Captain's side on the bridge is that she is bored. Besides Barclay, the rest of the Enterprise's crew seem fairly well adjusted and might need only a monthly or annually appointment. So the time when she is on the bridge is her spare time.
That's certainly a fair point, but the rest is purely speculatory, and still doesn't address the point of why a starship captain needs a psychologist on the bridge with them on a near constant basis... Again, it was nothing more than 80s PC quirks, which, in the way it was presented, really was quite silly...
As I said, Picard had other officers whos jobs were to inform him 'of stuff'... Riker literally had no purpose other than to repeat Picard's orders and see them carried out, so he was certainly more than capable of acting as an adviser to Picard...
Equally, for all his character flaws and career apothy, Riker was at least a command-trained officer: His input and perspectives on issues were certainly valuable opinion. Deanna, on the other hand, offered little actual advice beyond a glimpse into an opponent's thoughts, and in instances requiring command--grade input, she was next to useless (such as when the Enterprise hit the cosmic filament, leaving her in charge, with O'Brien and Ro pretty much running the show for her, because she didn't really know what was happening, or how to deal with the situation)
And none of this talk about counselors and psychologists/psychiatrists and doctors and "surgeries" and degrees has anything to do with the OP's original question regarding STO uniforms.
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Scorn is not the case at all. I merely pointed out we do not know what any of the requirements would be for this position in an imaginary future time. I have and had no intention of provoking an argument, but your cataloging crusade seems to fit that bill. I apologize if you thought those posts were about you, don't you.
Now as far as uniforms go, I have everyone Cryptic had to offer in the C-Store except the Racing one and would never pay the outrageous Dilithium prices that Cryptic charges for those they recently put in the Dilithium Store. I also own some, but not all, of the Lobi Uniforms as well as all of the Fleet Unlocks (except the K-13 as we have not progressed that far, yet).
When I outfit my crew, they usually get the same uniform, whatever I pick, with the same color. While a few of my Captains have an Odyssey outfit or two in the clothing selector, none use it as the standard uniform. Diplomatic Boffs can be tricky but it is doable.
Exceptions to the same coloring are my Temporal Recruit who, along with the Bridge Officers, use the 23rd Century ones, color coded for the Branch, except the Captain who uses pure White. My Federation Engineering Captain and landing crew have also recently switched over to the 23rd Century Uniforms as well.
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Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
And none of this talk about counselors and psychologists/psychiatrists and doctors and "surgeries" and degrees has anything to do with the OP's original question regarding STO uniforms.
The question had been answered, and the conversation moved on, with absolutely minimal engagement from the OP...
Scorn is not the case at all. I merely pointed out we do not know what any of the requirements would be for this position in an imaginary future time. I have and had no intention of provoking an argument, but your cataloging crusade seems to fit that bill. I apologize if you thought those posts were about you, don't you.
Now as far as uniforms go, I have everyone Cryptic had to offer in the C-Store except the Racing one and would never pay the outrageous Dilithium prices that Cryptic charges for those they recently put in the Dilithium Store. I also own some, but not all, of the Lobi Uniforms as well as all of the Fleet Unlocks (except the K-13 as we have not progressed that far, yet).
When I outfit my crew, they usually get the same uniform, whatever I pick, with the same color. While a few of my Captains have an Odyssey outfit or two in the clothing selector, none use it as the standard uniform. Diplomatic Boffs can be tricky but it is doable.
Exceptions to the same coloring are my Temporal Recruit who, along with the Bridge Officers, use the 23rd Century ones, color coded for the Branch, except the Captain who uses pure White. My Federation Engineering Captain and landing crew have also recently switched over to the 23rd Century Uniforms as well.
If that wasn't your intention, then I apologize for misinterpreting your tone
anyhow, my own take of starfleet in my stories, is that being out in space, for months or years....the dress codes are pretty flexible and liberal (look at Troi, until that ole iron butt jalico showed up) and crewmen will customize their looks. Hell, one on ship, the cap I made authorized an optional casual wear option, since 30 years in space is a long time and some comforts are gonna be needed, plus sometimes crew might be called for help during off times, etc.
And as for Troi, an absolutely ludicrous character pandering to a ludicrous ethic of a ludicrous social ideology... The idea of a starship having a psychiatrist on board, perfect sense... The idea of a starship's captain needing his therapist holding his hand on the bridge, ludicrous... P
If more ships had counsellors with empathic or even better telepathic abilities, then they would be sitting right by the Captain as well. The whole purpose of Troi on the bridge was to give valuable insight into Picard's opponent.
Don't forget that her other purpose is to Kamikazi if all else fails
even withing the military today you have variations. I left before the new uniforms came online but for a while, if you were in the navy the summer uniforms ranged from the dress whites (crackerjacks) with the floppy neckerchief to Salt and peppers, (short sleeve white shirts with black uniform pants) to summer whites (white uniform pants with white short sleeve shirt) and beyond that, on ships you added dungaree working uniforms and utility uniforms, and coveralls. all may or may not be prescribed by the CO. now they have variation of khakis, camo fatigues and other types of dress.
Antares was retconed to have been the 'canon' uniform style prior to the Odyssey was released. This is due to it's similarity to the uniforms seen in 'Countdown', the CBS/Paramount team up comic that leads up to STO.
The other Antares versions and all of the Sierra and Jupiter uniforms still exist but now never were 'official' uniforms.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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And none of this talk about counselors and psychologists/psychiatrists and doctors and "surgeries" and degrees has anything to do with the OP's original question regarding STO uniforms.
The question had been answered, and the conversation moved on, with absolutely minimal engagement from the OP...
Yes, many answers have been provided, but since we've not heard back from the OP, we don't know whether he/she has had their question answered to their satisfaction. And I didn't think the conversation was supposed to "move on" in a forum. Isn't that what's called derailing the thread? Shouldn't a new thread be started for new said topic? Don't get me wrong: fascinating stuff that you all are discussing, it's just that it's completely off topic.
Antares was retconed to have been the 'canon' uniform style prior to the Odyssey was released. This is due to it's similarity to the uniforms seen in 'Countdown', the CBS/Paramount team up comic that leads up to STO.
The other Antares versions and all of the Sierra and Jupiter uniforms still exist but now never were 'official' uniforms.
I thought it was the Sierra uniform that was retconned as the previous STO canon uniform before Odyssey.
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And none of this talk about counselors and psychologists/psychiatrists and doctors and "surgeries" and degrees has anything to do with the OP's original question regarding STO uniforms.
The question had been answered, and the conversation moved on, with absolutely minimal engagement from the OP...
Yes, many answers have been provided, but since we've not heard back from the OP, we don't know whether he/she has had their question answered to their satisfaction. And I didn't think the conversation was supposed to "move on" in a forum. Isn't that what's called derailing the thread? Shouldn't a new thread be started for new said topic? Don't get me wrong: fascinating stuff that you all are discussing, it's just that it's completely off topic.
Antares was retconed to have been the 'canon' uniform style prior to the Odyssey was released. This is due to it's similarity to the uniforms seen in 'Countdown', the CBS/Paramount team up comic that leads up to STO.
The other Antares versions and all of the Sierra and Jupiter uniforms still exist but now never were 'official' uniforms.
I thought it was the Sierra uniform that was retconned as the previous STO canon uniform before Odyssey.
Two points:
1) The OPs level of return interaction on any of their threads, ranges from minimal, to non-existent. They strike me as someone who starts a conversation, reads the answers they want, and then feels no further need to participate, with even a 'thanks, that answered my question'... I may well be wrong, and to speculate further would be unkind...
2) Your comment about 'conversations not moving on', has the distinct tone of attempting to moderate a thread. You are not a moderator, and the moderators take a dim view of people attempting to moderate in their stead...
And none of this talk about counselors and psychologists/psychiatrists and doctors and "surgeries" and degrees has anything to do with the OP's original question regarding STO uniforms.
The question had been answered, and the conversation moved on, with absolutely minimal engagement from the OP...
Yes, many answers have been provided, but since we've not heard back from the OP, we don't know whether he/she has had their question answered to their satisfaction. And I didn't think the conversation was supposed to "move on" in a forum. Isn't that what's called derailing the thread? Shouldn't a new thread be started for new said topic? Don't get me wrong: fascinating stuff that you all are discussing, it's just that it's completely off topic.
Antares was retconed to have been the 'canon' uniform style prior to the Odyssey was released. This is due to it's similarity to the uniforms seen in 'Countdown', the CBS/Paramount team up comic that leads up to STO.
The other Antares versions and all of the Sierra and Jupiter uniforms still exist but now never were 'official' uniforms.
I thought it was the Sierra uniform that was retconned as the previous STO canon uniform before Odyssey.
Two points:
1) The OPs level of return interaction on any of their threads, ranges from minimal, to non-existent. They strike me as someone who starts a conversation, reads the answers they want, and then feels no further need to participate, with even a 'thanks, that answered my question'... I may well be wrong, and to speculate further would be unkind...
2) Your comment about 'conversations not moving on', has the distinct tone of attempting to moderate a thread. You are not a moderator, and the moderators take a dim view of people attempting to moderate in their stead...
Good day
Sorry, I didn't study up on the OP's forum habits before offering my own opinion of the topic. And I've returned to the thread only because I was interested in how others answered the OP... because I was interested in the topic.
Again, sorry, not meaning to impart a tone, as you say. Just asking to stay on topic.
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And none of this talk about counselors and psychologists/psychiatrists and doctors and "surgeries" and degrees has anything to do with the OP's original question regarding STO uniforms.
The question had been answered, and the conversation moved on, with absolutely minimal engagement from the OP...
Yes, many answers have been provided, but since we've not heard back from the OP, we don't know whether he/she has had their question answered to their satisfaction. And I didn't think the conversation was supposed to "move on" in a forum. Isn't that what's called derailing the thread? Shouldn't a new thread be started for new said topic? Don't get me wrong: fascinating stuff that you all are discussing, it's just that it's completely off topic.
Antares was retconed to have been the 'canon' uniform style prior to the Odyssey was released. This is due to it's similarity to the uniforms seen in 'Countdown', the CBS/Paramount team up comic that leads up to STO.
The other Antares versions and all of the Sierra and Jupiter uniforms still exist but now never were 'official' uniforms.
I thought it was the Sierra uniform that was retconned as the previous STO canon uniform before Odyssey.
Two points:
1) The OPs level of return interaction on any of their threads, ranges from minimal, to non-existent. They strike me as someone who starts a conversation, reads the answers they want, and then feels no further need to participate, with even a 'thanks, that answered my question'... I may well be wrong, and to speculate further would be unkind...
2) Your comment about 'conversations not moving on', has the distinct tone of attempting to moderate a thread. You are not a moderator, and the moderators take a dim view of people attempting to moderate in their stead...
Good day
Sorry, I didn't study up on the OP's forum habits before offering my own opinion of the topic. And I've returned to the thread only because I was interested in how others answered the OP... because I was interested in the topic.
Again, sorry, not meaning to impart a tone, as you say. Just asking to stay on topic.
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What surgeries? TNG is not set in the 20th Century with Lobotomies, Electroshock Therapy, and other brutal psychiatric procedures. Besides a Counselor has never conducted these type of barbaric procedures. They might have been able to recommend a patient for such a procedure, but that is it.
As far as the psychological well-being of the crew, most of the crew has to be psychologically stable to be on the flagship of the Federation. So Troi's only constant patient would be Barclay. So it is likely she has 2 to 3 hours of appointments each day in addition to her time on the bridge which could be anywhere from 0 hours to 4 hours in a day depending on the situation.
Riker and the rest of the senior staff had other jobs beside being an adviser. So every minute Crusher or La Forge was on the bridge was time they weren't taking care of Sickbay and Engineering. If Crusher and La Forge have time to advise Picard and do their main job means that Troi had time to advise Picard and take care of the psychological well-being of the crew as well.
Mental health on a starship, would be subject to the same pressures as aboard a submarine (ie it really needs monitoring) Dr Crusher was rarely on the bridge, where Deanna was essentially glued to Picard's side, acting solely as his consigliere, rather than being openly-available to the crew for her psychological expertise... Geordi was able to monitor engineering from the bridge engineering console, and any time things got serious, he would always excuse himself to go to where he was needed
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And yup, Ms Lane certainly has a point
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The first person to mention the differences in doctorates regarding the issue was azrael, and since you clearly scorn the conversation/musings we were having, I see no reason for you to comment at all, other than to try and be contrary and provoke an argument :-\
A major difference between Troi vs. Crusher and La Forge is that Troi takes care of the mental health of patients through appointments while Crusher and La Forge have to be in Sickbay or Engineering in case of some emergency or make sure that someone competent is in Sickbay or Engineering. If Troi needs to head to the bridge for whatever reason, then she can always reschedule the appointment. The only psychological emergencies seem to come from Barclay or after a disaster occurs.
It is possible that the reason why Troi is always by the Captain's side on the bridge is that she is bored. Besides Barclay, the rest of the Enterprise's crew seem fairly well adjusted and might need only a monthly or annually appointment. So the time when she is on the bridge is her spare time.
As I said, Picard had other officers whos jobs were to inform him 'of stuff'... Riker literally had no purpose other than to repeat Picard's orders and see them carried out, so he was certainly more than capable of acting as an adviser to Picard...
Equally, for all his character flaws and career apothy, Riker was at least a command-trained officer: His input and perspectives on issues were certainly valuable opinion. Deanna, on the other hand, offered little actual advice beyond a glimpse into an opponent's thoughts, and in instances requiring command--grade input, she was next to useless (such as when the Enterprise hit the cosmic filament, leaving her in charge, with O'Brien and Ro pretty much running the show for her, because she didn't really know what was happening, or how to deal with the situation)
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Now as far as uniforms go, I have everyone Cryptic had to offer in the C-Store except the Racing one and would never pay the outrageous Dilithium prices that Cryptic charges for those they recently put in the Dilithium Store. I also own some, but not all, of the Lobi Uniforms as well as all of the Fleet Unlocks (except the K-13 as we have not progressed that far, yet).
When I outfit my crew, they usually get the same uniform, whatever I pick, with the same color. While a few of my Captains have an Odyssey outfit or two in the clothing selector, none use it as the standard uniform. Diplomatic Boffs can be tricky but it is doable.
Exceptions to the same coloring are my Temporal Recruit who, along with the Bridge Officers, use the 23rd Century ones, color coded for the Branch, except the Captain who uses pure White. My Federation Engineering Captain and landing crew have also recently switched over to the 23rd Century Uniforms as well.
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l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Don't forget that her other purpose is to Kamikazi if all else fails
Antares was retconed to have been the 'canon' uniform style prior to the Odyssey was released. This is due to it's similarity to the uniforms seen in 'Countdown', the CBS/Paramount team up comic that leads up to STO.
The other Antares versions and all of the Sierra and Jupiter uniforms still exist but now never were 'official' uniforms.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Yes, many answers have been provided, but since we've not heard back from the OP, we don't know whether he/she has had their question answered to their satisfaction. And I didn't think the conversation was supposed to "move on" in a forum. Isn't that what's called derailing the thread? Shouldn't a new thread be started for new said topic? Don't get me wrong: fascinating stuff that you all are discussing, it's just that it's completely off topic.
Back to it then:
I thought it was the Sierra uniform that was retconned as the previous STO canon uniform before Odyssey.
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1) The OPs level of return interaction on any of their threads, ranges from minimal, to non-existent. They strike me as someone who starts a conversation, reads the answers they want, and then feels no further need to participate, with even a 'thanks, that answered my question'... I may well be wrong, and to speculate further would be unkind...
2) Your comment about 'conversations not moving on', has the distinct tone of attempting to moderate a thread. You are not a moderator, and the moderators take a dim view of people attempting to moderate in their stead...
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Sorry, I didn't study up on the OP's forum habits before offering my own opinion of the topic. And I've returned to the thread only because I was interested in how others answered the OP... because I was interested in the topic.
Again, sorry, not meaning to impart a tone, as you say. Just asking to stay on topic.
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No need to apologize
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