-No Suliban for the Roms
-No Denobulans for the Feds
I'll agree with this, because it should have happened already. I even recall one of the Devs clearly stating that the Suliban were inended to join the Republic, but I guess plans change.
Basically no mention of ENT or anything in it outside of a brief off-hand mention of the Na'Khul in the "Doomsday Machine" mission.
Allow me to present to you a bunch of items that were released for this game that aren't related to AOY;
T'Pol Uniform (copied/inspired from ST: Enterprise)
Vulcan D'Kyr (copied/inspired from ST: Enterprise)
Andorian Escort (all four of them; inspired by the design seen on ST: Enterprise)
Pet Beagle (inspired from ST: Enterprise)
Taggart (the Denobulan Captain in the FED Tutorial)
The Romulan Drone Ship (copied/inspired from ST: Enterprise)
The Republic T'varo (copied/inspired from ST: Enterprise)
The Xindi Ships (copied/inspired from ST: Enterprise)
The Xindi-Reptilian Bridge Officer (copied/inspired from ST: Enterprise)
The (various) Xindi Dut Officers
Unless I'm mistaken, none of that was released with, nor near AOY, and yet is all linked to an earlier era, so yeah...
And whilst we're here throwing out species that should be; might I bring up the Deltan, and Benzite (we can/could create them, but no Bridge Officers?)
Whereas Legacy of Romulus, and Delta Rising, are both integrated into everything that happened from game start to the end of the Iconian War, Agents of Yesterday is so carefully segmented off from anything else in the game that you could remove it entirely, and not even notice that it should have been madeat all, because there would be no hints/suggestions that it should even exist.
Isn't this kind of intentionally needed though? The AOY content takes place in the past, we're not playing in the past anymore, we're all in 2409 (or 2410). The AOY content needs to be limited for the very reason that it's taking place in an already established timeline.
That doesn't answer my question since they don't have a mandate to do anything in particular.
Except the mandate to do whatever CBS tells them, and to fulfill whatever contract they signed when they took over the project.
If Cryptic actually cared about, or liked, Enterprise, they wouldn't have sidelined it as much as they did, only to try to jam it all into one expansion, with as little integration into the rest of the game as AoY has.
-No Suliban for the Roms
-No Denobulans for the Feds
-Basically no mention of ENT or anything in it outside of a brief off-hand mention of the Na'Khul in the "Doomsday Machine" mission
Even ToS got an arc heavily featured around it with the Devidian stuff, and the stuff in the latter Klingon War missions.
What makes it more funny is that they revamped the Cardassian Struggle arc, inserted Mirror Leeta into it, and then later added her to the Temporal Liberation Front forces, but made no hints or suggestions of Temporal War stuff in her appearance in that arc. They only added Temporal connections in the Badlands Battlezone/Terran reputation logs.
Whereas Legacy of Romulus, and Delta Rising, are both integrated into everything that happened from game start to the end of the Iconian War, Agents of Yesterday is so carefully segmented off from anything else in the game that you could remove it entirely, and not even notice that they had made it at all because there would be no hints/suggestions that it should even exist.
There's a lot more Enterprise content and references than you are claiming there is. Especially considering what little Enterprise show content we have to go on.
- An actual C-Store Enterprise pack which contains Enterprise Uniforms among other things
- T'pol's outfit
- Suliban Helix Mission
- P'jem MIssion
- Xindi ambassador in story missions
- 2 Xindi Lockboxes with all the ship + weapons, outfits, and the Boff that come with them
- 6 cross-faction story missions either with Daniels or Kal Dano
- Playable Suliban Cell ship + Suliban doffs
- Playable NX ship
- Playable Andorian Ship from Enterprise
- Playable Vulcan ship from Enterprise
- Battle of Procyon 5 queue
- Denobulans are playable as Aliengen
- Suliban are playable as Aliengen though less convincing than the iron clad denobulan
- Xindi-Primate are playable as Aliengen
On top of all this, who are you to say that this is all the Enterprise content that there will be. You speak as though they are done and will never revisit it.
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
Allow me to present to you a bunch of items that were released for this game that aren't related to AOY;
T'Pol Uniform (copied/inspired from ST: Enterprise)
Vulcan D'Kyr (copied/inspired from ST: Enterprise)
Andorian Escort (all four of them; inspired by the design seen on ST: Enterprise)
Pet Beagle (inspired from ST: Enterprise)
Taggart (the Denobulan Captain in the FED Tutorial)
The Romulan Drone Ship (copied/inspired from ST: Enterprise)
The Republic T'varo (copied/inspired from ST: Enterprise)
The Xindi Ships (copied/inspired from ST: Enterprise)
The Xindi-Reptilian Bridge Officer (copied/inspired from ST: Enterprise)
The (various) Xindi Dut Officers
Unless I'm mistaken, none of that was released with, nor near AOY, and yet is all linked to an earlier era, so yeah...
All of that amounts to
"**** sold in the store that has no bearing on the the actual game's contant or what the player's actually play or see during any of the missions/lore"
So how many missions take place on the Enterprise-D in the mid 2360s? Do they hate TNG too?
All my previous post amounts to is a healthy amount of Enterprise content being added to the game. And there is NO reason to assume that there will be nothing else added. You simply have nothing to say that can back up your assertions.
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
"**** sold in the store that has no bearing on the the actual game's content or what the player's actually play or see during any of the missions/lore"
You'll notice I didn't mention any of the C-store or lockbox garbage when talking about stuff the devs included regarding LoR or DR.
There's just no pleasing some people. What exactly is it that you wanted to see from them (Cryptic)?
No, because a good narrative would have peppered small hints/references to the Temporal Cold War throughout the game, regardless of if the missions in which they were mentioned in.
It's absurd to think that they'd have known about a Temporal Expansion five or six years ago, and even if they did have ideas back then, plans change.
So how many missions take place on the Enterprise-D in the mid 2360s? Do they hate TNG too?
All my previous post amounts to is a healthy amount of Enterprise content being added to the game. And there is NO reason to assume that there will be nothing else added. You simply have nothing to say that can back up your assertions.
The sheer number of appearances of Worf, and Sela, as well as how many missions are based on TNG episodes, throughout the game, show they do not.
Most of the things you listed are either
1. C-story or lockbox stuff
2. Really straw grasping stuff like "well, you can kinda get close to making X alien if you do all this stuff in the character creator!" And by that logic, you could claim they have all that Cardassian content in the game because you can kinda made a passable Cardassian in the character creator.
The fact you have to resort to cash grab items, and user hacks, really only proves my point.
You conveniently ignored the 6 Daniels/Kal Dano story missions that were listed. That doesn't include the P'jem and Suliban Helix mission so it's actually 8 story missions.
Why don't you just come out and say what you think would be an acceptable Enterprise addition that would satisfy you? I'm sure that it's not unreasonable at all.
When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
I think it would be fair to say that Enterprise is not the favorite show of most of the devs.
I think it would be fair to say that there is MORE TNG and DS9 related content in the game, due to the fact that those are the shows WE (devs) grew up watching, and tend to have more of an affinity for.
I think it would be fair to say that Enterprise has featured in fewer missions and less content, due to the 250 year gap between it and the 2410 "present."
I think it would be fair to claim that TOS is generally also featured in less content, due to similar timeline issues, and it would also be fair to say that due to the 50th anniversary, we felt compelled (not because CBS told us to, or because we are money grubbing Ferengi), to find a way to feature TOS (and yes, some Enterprise), in an expansion this year.
I think it would be unfair to claim that the devs hate Enterprise (or any other show/movie).
I think it would be unfair to claim that Enterprise has been sidelined because of some global distaste for it.
I think it would be unfair to think that we would ever do an expansion, a story arc, or even a mission, "Just to get it out of the way and be done with it."
Everyone in the office is a Trekkie. Some are more hardcore than others. Some like Enterprise (myself included), some do not. You'll find the same split among all Trekkies.
There are 50 years of Star Trek stories to glean from, and build upon. We work on content that interests us. It's true ENT has less direct content around it, but again, that's due to the 250 year gap between then and now, not due to a lack of interest on the Devs' part. I'm sorry Denobulans are not a playable species. I will bring that up with the people who can affect that. But it's not some grand conspiracy against Enterprise, and I think we can probably stop now. Yes?
i like Enterprise series, i think reason why.
too many expectations of "first contacts" and it wasnt showing enough, the story arc was streamlined for 4 seasons.
first mistake with healing the kingon when they want to die as warrior. so the feud begins, and "Section 10" the xenophobia, Romulan messing with others by using Sulibans and Xindi, the founder of federation of planets to form, disrupted timelines, shadowy leader revealed.
now they (CBS) restarting ST series as ST: Discovery as part of newer "First Contacts" theme, it would mess up Enterprise serie. that ship look so wierd.
Aliens already have all the parts to Denobulan. It would be difficult to make that it a premium species option of any kind since the immediate laugh off remark is "why should I pay (directly in the C-store or as part of a Lifetime) to get what I already have (in a perfectly serviceable form)?" If they were added, Denobulan would probably have to be a freely added playable option (which I personally don't see as a terribly likely prospect at the moment).
And if anyone's about to suggest that Cryptic would lock off Denobulan parts from each faction's alien option simply to sell that same content with an official label (at the expense of alien customization options across three factions, which long-invested players may be using), I have this for you.
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The fact that Pakled - a species that according to canon is not in the Federation, has never had a Starfleet member, and only appears in a single episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, in which they are the antagonists to the Starfleet crew (and appear in none of the other series apart from brief unnamed background characters with no lines on an alien station) - is a playable Federation race and available as bridge officers while Denobulan - a race that is a member of the Federation and which one of the main characters from Star Trek: Enterprise belongs to (appearing in 90 episodes) - is not an available option for Federation playable race and bridge officers is disgraceful.
P.S. it would also be nice to have Benzite bridge officers.
Probably because all the necessary parts to create a Denobulan are already available in aliengen
Probably because all the necessary parts to create a Denobulan are already available in aliengen
All the parts to create practically every race that is a Federation playable/BOFF species is in the aliengen, so there is no excuse for Denobulan not to be a proper playable/BOFF option.
I could say more or less the same thing about the Ocampa. We have Talaxians; why not Ocampa?
Because they are not a Alpha/Beta quadrant race or members of the Federation.
Neither are the Talaxians.
Well, I don't think Talaxian should be an option in the first place, but at least it is only a C-Store purchase and there are no BOFF's. You are right though, they should do the same with Ocampa really.
There's a lot more Enterprise content and references than you are claiming there is. Especially considering what little Enterprise show content we have to go on.
- An actual C-Store Enterprise pack which contains Enterprise Uniforms among other things
- T'pol's outfit
- Suliban Helix Mission
- P'jem MIssion
- Xindi ambassador in story missions
- 2 Xindi Lockboxes with all the ship + weapons, outfits, and the Boff that come with them
- 6 cross-faction story missions either with Daniels or Kal Dano
- Playable Suliban Cell ship + Suliban doffs
- Playable NX ship
- Playable Andorian Ship from Enterprise
- Playable Vulcan ship from Enterprise
- Battle of Procyon 5 queue
- Denobulans are playable as Aliengen
- Suliban are playable as Aliengen though less convincing than the iron clad denobulan
- Xindi-Primate are playable as Aliengen
On top of all this, who are you to say that this is all the Enterprise content that there will be. You speak as though they are done and will never revisit it.
Don't forget the Elachi. They appeared in a single episode of Enterprise and ended up being one of the primary antagonists of the entire Legacy of Romulus campaign.
I could say more or less the same thing about the Ocampa. We have Talaxians; why not Ocampa?
I'd say at the "edges" of what could/should go in, we will always have discussions going on which race/ship/topic/song should join a list and which shouldn't. So the Ocampa/Talaxian issue shouldn't be about "if A gets in, B should even more", because others would say the same just the other way round. (Some possible resons to prefer Talaxians: (a) Neelix was, annoying as he was written and kudos to Cryptic writers for toning that down, the more important character, (b) he is also more available for VO work than Kes is.)
So why not include all? (a) you need somewhat unique traits to make them worthwhile. (If they didn't I can already pre-write the complaint posts coming up after that), (b) it's still work with probably quite low returns on investment, (c) sooner or later, more options don't mean "better" but "more confusing" plus AP issues.
That being said, I would like Suliban-Roms and Benzite-boffs, too (Not as interested in Denobulans, but wouldn't mind either)
My mother was an epohh and my father smelled of tulaberries
Exactly as I said, you jammed it all into AoY so you could get it done and over with ASAP.
Huh?
So by that logic, did we only do Delta Rising so we could be done with all of Voyager "ASAP"?
Did we do Legacy of Romulus so we could be done with the Romulans "ASAP"?
Releasing a bunch of content that follows one theme, does not mean we have no interest in it. . . quite the opposite. Why would we have made all of that stuff (literally months of work) if we had no interest in it?
I'm pretty much with tacofangs on this especially since I am a fan of ENT. I don't understand all the ENT hate and never really will.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
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However...
Allow me to present to you a bunch of items that were released for this game that aren't related to AOY;
Unless I'm mistaken, none of that was released with, nor near AOY, and yet is all linked to an earlier era, so yeah...
And whilst we're here throwing out species that should be; might I bring up the Deltan, and Benzite (we can/could create them, but no Bridge Officers?)
Edit: Isn't this kind of intentionally needed though? The AOY content takes place in the past, we're not playing in the past anymore, we're all in 2409 (or 2410). The AOY content needs to be limited for the very reason that it's taking place in an already established timeline.
I give you November of 2010
http://subspacecommunique.com/content/2010/11/23/cryptic-studios-releases-nx-01-uniforms-star-trek-enterprise-fans-everywhere
It's Uniforms, a ship, an entire bundle..all for the ST: Enterprise...and last I checked, 2010 was a few years before the AoY release.
- An actual C-Store Enterprise pack which contains Enterprise Uniforms among other things
- T'pol's outfit
- Suliban Helix Mission
- P'jem MIssion
- Xindi ambassador in story missions
- 2 Xindi Lockboxes with all the ship + weapons, outfits, and the Boff that come with them
- 6 cross-faction story missions either with Daniels or Kal Dano
- Playable Suliban Cell ship + Suliban doffs
- Playable NX ship
- Playable Andorian Ship from Enterprise
- Playable Vulcan ship from Enterprise
- Battle of Procyon 5 queue
- Denobulans are playable as Aliengen
- Suliban are playable as Aliengen though less convincing than the iron clad denobulan
- Xindi-Primate are playable as Aliengen
On top of all this, who are you to say that this is all the Enterprise content that there will be. You speak as though they are done and will never revisit it.
All my previous post amounts to is a healthy amount of Enterprise content being added to the game. And there is NO reason to assume that there will be nothing else added. You simply have nothing to say that can back up your assertions.
It's absurd to think that they'd have known about a Temporal Expansion five or six years ago, and even if they did have ideas back then, plans change.
Why don't you just come out and say what you think would be an acceptable Enterprise addition that would satisfy you? I'm sure that it's not unreasonable at all.
I think it would be fair to say that Enterprise is not the favorite show of most of the devs.
I think it would be fair to say that there is MORE TNG and DS9 related content in the game, due to the fact that those are the shows WE (devs) grew up watching, and tend to have more of an affinity for.
I think it would be fair to say that Enterprise has featured in fewer missions and less content, due to the 250 year gap between it and the 2410 "present."
I think it would be fair to claim that TOS is generally also featured in less content, due to similar timeline issues, and it would also be fair to say that due to the 50th anniversary, we felt compelled (not because CBS told us to, or because we are money grubbing Ferengi), to find a way to feature TOS (and yes, some Enterprise), in an expansion this year.
I think it would be unfair to claim that the devs hate Enterprise (or any other show/movie).
I think it would be unfair to claim that Enterprise has been sidelined because of some global distaste for it.
I think it would be unfair to think that we would ever do an expansion, a story arc, or even a mission, "Just to get it out of the way and be done with it."
Everyone in the office is a Trekkie. Some are more hardcore than others. Some like Enterprise (myself included), some do not. You'll find the same split among all Trekkies.
There are 50 years of Star Trek stories to glean from, and build upon. We work on content that interests us. It's true ENT has less direct content around it, but again, that's due to the 250 year gap between then and now, not due to a lack of interest on the Devs' part. I'm sorry Denobulans are not a playable species. I will bring that up with the people who can affect that. But it's not some grand conspiracy against Enterprise, and I think we can probably stop now. Yes?
too many expectations of "first contacts" and it wasnt showing enough, the story arc was streamlined for 4 seasons.
first mistake with healing the kingon when they want to die as warrior. so the feud begins, and "Section 10" the xenophobia, Romulan messing with others by using Sulibans and Xindi, the founder of federation of planets to form, disrupted timelines, shadowy leader revealed.
now they (CBS) restarting ST series as ST: Discovery as part of newer "First Contacts" theme, it would mess up Enterprise serie. that ship look so wierd.
Aliens already have all the parts to Denobulan. It would be difficult to make that it a premium species option of any kind since the immediate laugh off remark is "why should I pay (directly in the C-store or as part of a Lifetime) to get what I already have (in a perfectly serviceable form)?" If they were added, Denobulan would probably have to be a freely added playable option (which I personally don't see as a terribly likely prospect at the moment).
And if anyone's about to suggest that Cryptic would lock off Denobulan parts from each faction's alien option simply to sell that same content with an official label (at the expense of alien customization options across three factions, which long-invested players may be using), I have this for you.
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Probably because all the necessary parts to create a Denobulan are already available in aliengen
All the parts to create practically every race that is a Federation playable/BOFF species is in the aliengen, so there is no excuse for Denobulan not to be a proper playable/BOFF option.
Because they are not a Alpha/Beta quadrant race or members of the Federation.
Well, I don't think Talaxian should be an option in the first place, but at least it is only a C-Store purchase and there are no BOFF's. You are right though, they should do the same with Ocampa really.
Don't forget the Elachi. They appeared in a single episode of Enterprise and ended up being one of the primary antagonists of the entire Legacy of Romulus campaign.
I'd say at the "edges" of what could/should go in, we will always have discussions going on which race/ship/topic/song should join a list and which shouldn't. So the Ocampa/Talaxian issue shouldn't be about "if A gets in, B should even more", because others would say the same just the other way round. (Some possible resons to prefer Talaxians: (a) Neelix was, annoying as he was written and kudos to Cryptic writers for toning that down, the more important character, (b) he is also more available for VO work than Kes is.)
So why not include all? (a) you need somewhat unique traits to make them worthwhile. (If they didn't I can already pre-write the complaint posts coming up after that), (b) it's still work with probably quite low returns on investment, (c) sooner or later, more options don't mean "better" but "more confusing" plus AP issues.
That being said, I would like Suliban-Roms and Benzite-boffs, too
I'm pretty much with tacofangs on this especially since I am a fan of ENT. I don't understand all the ENT hate and never really will.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."