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Why is Denobulan still not an option for Federation playable race and bridge officers?
morbideccentric
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The fact that Pakled - a species that according to canon is not in the Federation, has never had a Starfleet member, and only appears in a single episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, in which they are the antagonists to the Starfleet crew (and appear in none of the other series apart from brief unnamed background characters with no lines on an alien station) - is a playable Federation race and available as bridge officers while Denobulan - a race that is a member of the Federation and which one of the main characters from Star Trek: Enterprise belongs to (appearing in 90 episodes) - is not an available option for Federation playable race and bridge officers is disgraceful.
P.S. it would also be nice to have Benzite bridge officers.
P.S. it would also be nice to have Benzite bridge officers.
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I Was A Trekkie Before It Was Cool ... Sept. 8th, 1966 ... Not To Mention Before Most Folks Around Here Were Born!
Forever a STO Veteran-Minion
Have you seen the episode of TNG with the Pakled? Not having Denobulan as an option yet is one thing, but putting in Pakled as a Fed race option (they should not be there at all) before Denobulan becomes an option, well, I think "disgraceful" is pretty apt.
Well, they are optimistic and like crowded environments with lots of people, perhaps some kind of buff that increases with the number of allied characters within proximity? They can also climb near-vertical surfaces in the manner of a lizard and have powerful immune systems, even holding out for a time against Borg nano-probes, but are quite sensitive to radiation.
There are some Denobulan NPC's, yes, this is why it confuses me even more that they are not yet playable or available as bridge officers.
The Federation has a whooping 150 member worlds and therefore 150 other more deserving species to be a playable character than a 1 episode antagonist of the crew of the TNG. (They were used as background characters and were mentioned in a couple DS9 episodes but never used as a main species again).
On the Denobulan's considering Phlox featured for 4 season's of Enterprise you'd have thought they would be a playable race as he was feature so prominently in Enterprise.
I'll be honest I'm not a fan of Enterprise (Prequels Hollywood has been fixated on them for over a decade now. Messing with the lore of established universes). If seasons 1-3 had been more like season 4 then it might have lasted longer.
I only agree with Denobulan's as although there's 150 member races of the Federation only a few did actually get screen time longer than a background character and Denobulan's did.
Although we could have had Bynar's but that would have been awkward and interesting as they travel in pairs.
On another note why do Klingons players not NPC's not have have Pet or Combat Targs, or the Klingon dagger the D'k tahg ?
Believe me, fewer people like Pakleds. Enterprise is my least favorite of the series with the exception of TOS, but I would still like to see Denobulans and not Pakleds in Starfleet.
Seconded. I'd also like to be able to get an Ushaan-tor for my Andorian character.
Lt. Worf says: "Klingons aren't a Federation member either. . . "
I don't know why Denobulans aren't a species. But arguing that Pakleds (which have been in for 5 of our 6 years), shouldn't be is kind of puerile. No, they are not a member of the Federation. Yes, they were only in one episode. Why are they in? Dunno, you'd have to talk to the team that worked here when they went in (before my time on the project). My guess? They're pretty easy. Add some bushy eyebrows, and you're halfway there. Denobulans take quite a bit more sculpting. And honestly, Pakleds are pretty great. I expect they were just someone's pet project.
Bottom line, I can see your point, and even agree that Denobulans should be a Fed playable species. But starting your request thread on some high-righteously indignant-horse, is not a good way to go about presenting your case. . .
ORLY?
https://media.yahstar.com/600x0/vstar/s3fs/8/8786/2016/06/07/1d957bb152731d66f79382450e063db4.jpg
http://images-cdn.perfectworld.com/arc/60/1d/601d72622dbba295f1d0c5b5fc032f921405623482.jpg
http://www.stoacademy.com/walkthrough/episodes/romulan/thehelix/helix.jpg
http://www.mmo-central.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/sto-temporalagentdaniels.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pkz8P-qrz9A/maxresdefault.jpg
Etc. Etc.
I've had a Denobulan Character for well over 2 years.
They may not be an "Official" Race, but all the Parts to make them are available in the Costume Creator.
Just make an "Alien" and Choose the Denobulan Parts.
- Forehead Detail - Donobulan
- Ears - Denobulan 1-5
This way you get an extra Trait Slot
You can also use this Method to make Xindi as well.
Yes! I could not agree more with this. Please get us real Benzite boffs, and not alien gen kitsmashes /beg
Huh?
So by that logic, did we only do Delta Rising so we could be done with all of Voyager "ASAP"?
Did we do Legacy of Romulus so we could be done with the Romulans "ASAP"?
Releasing a bunch of content that follows one theme, does not mean we have no interest in it. . . quite the opposite. Why would we have made all of that stuff (literally months of work) if we had no interest in it?
Not exactly, they are in a lot of DS9 episodes (apparantly for the Pakled the "Quarks" is quite popular).
EDIT: I can imagine a *lot* of interesting debates with Morn.
Any chance of continuing that interest and expanding upon the Romulan's and that other main faction you have laying around somewhere collecting dust. Oh ! I forget what they are called ?, Ktarian's ?, Kelvan's ?, Karemma ? someone help me out here.
So you're saying that the temporal story line shows that what? Cryptic hates Enterprise, JJ Abrams, and TOS? If so, why would they do anything that encompasses those story lines?
However...
Allow me to present to you a bunch of items that were released for this game that aren't related to AOY;
Unless I'm mistaken, none of that was released with, nor near AOY, and yet is all linked to an earlier era, so yeah...
And whilst we're here throwing out species that should be; might I bring up the Deltan, and Benzite (we can/could create them, but no Bridge Officers?)
Edit: Isn't this kind of intentionally needed though? The AOY content takes place in the past, we're not playing in the past anymore, we're all in 2409 (or 2410). The AOY content needs to be limited for the very reason that it's taking place in an already established timeline.
I give you November of 2010
http://subspacecommunique.com/content/2010/11/23/cryptic-studios-releases-nx-01-uniforms-star-trek-enterprise-fans-everywhere
It's Uniforms, a ship, an entire bundle..all for the ST: Enterprise...and last I checked, 2010 was a few years before the AoY release.
- An actual C-Store Enterprise pack which contains Enterprise Uniforms among other things
- T'pol's outfit
- Suliban Helix Mission
- P'jem MIssion
- Xindi ambassador in story missions
- 2 Xindi Lockboxes with all the ship + weapons, outfits, and the Boff that come with them
- 6 cross-faction story missions either with Daniels or Kal Dano
- Playable Suliban Cell ship + Suliban doffs
- Playable NX ship
- Playable Andorian Ship from Enterprise
- Playable Vulcan ship from Enterprise
- Battle of Procyon 5 queue
- Denobulans are playable as Aliengen
- Suliban are playable as Aliengen though less convincing than the iron clad denobulan
- Xindi-Primate are playable as Aliengen
On top of all this, who are you to say that this is all the Enterprise content that there will be. You speak as though they are done and will never revisit it.
All my previous post amounts to is a healthy amount of Enterprise content being added to the game. And there is NO reason to assume that there will be nothing else added. You simply have nothing to say that can back up your assertions.
It's absurd to think that they'd have known about a Temporal Expansion five or six years ago, and even if they did have ideas back then, plans change.
Why don't you just come out and say what you think would be an acceptable Enterprise addition that would satisfy you? I'm sure that it's not unreasonable at all.
I think it would be fair to say that Enterprise is not the favorite show of most of the devs.
I think it would be fair to say that there is MORE TNG and DS9 related content in the game, due to the fact that those are the shows WE (devs) grew up watching, and tend to have more of an affinity for.
I think it would be fair to say that Enterprise has featured in fewer missions and less content, due to the 250 year gap between it and the 2410 "present."
I think it would be fair to claim that TOS is generally also featured in less content, due to similar timeline issues, and it would also be fair to say that due to the 50th anniversary, we felt compelled (not because CBS told us to, or because we are money grubbing Ferengi), to find a way to feature TOS (and yes, some Enterprise), in an expansion this year.
I think it would be unfair to claim that the devs hate Enterprise (or any other show/movie).
I think it would be unfair to claim that Enterprise has been sidelined because of some global distaste for it.
I think it would be unfair to think that we would ever do an expansion, a story arc, or even a mission, "Just to get it out of the way and be done with it."
Everyone in the office is a Trekkie. Some are more hardcore than others. Some like Enterprise (myself included), some do not. You'll find the same split among all Trekkies.
There are 50 years of Star Trek stories to glean from, and build upon. We work on content that interests us. It's true ENT has less direct content around it, but again, that's due to the 250 year gap between then and now, not due to a lack of interest on the Devs' part. I'm sorry Denobulans are not a playable species. I will bring that up with the people who can affect that. But it's not some grand conspiracy against Enterprise, and I think we can probably stop now. Yes?