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Why is Denobulan still not an option for Federation playable race and bridge officers?

morbideccentric#9020 morbideccentric Member Posts: 24 Arc User
The fact that Pakled - a species that according to canon is not in the Federation, has never had a Starfleet member, and only appears in a single episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, in which they are the antagonists to the Starfleet crew (and appear in none of the other series apart from brief unnamed background characters with no lines on an alien station) - is a playable Federation race and available as bridge officers while Denobulan - a race that is a member of the Federation and which one of the main characters from Star Trek: Enterprise belongs to (appearing in 90 episodes) - is not an available option for Federation playable race and bridge officers is disgraceful.

P.S. it would also be nice to have Benzite bridge officers.
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  • jbmonroejbmonroe Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    Well, "disgraceful" might be a bit strong, but--yes. Denobulans. I don't know what their built-in character traits would be, but this is as good a place as any to start the speculating.
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  • roguegamer23roguegamer23 Member Posts: 65 Arc User
    Isn't the captain from the tutorial a denobulan?
  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    You can create a very convincing Denobulan using the Alien race.
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  • morbideccentric#9020 morbideccentric Member Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    jbmonroe wrote: »
    Well, "disgraceful" might be a bit strong, but--yes.

    Have you seen the episode of TNG with the Pakled? Not having Denobulan as an option yet is one thing, but putting in Pakled as a Fed race option (they should not be there at all) before Denobulan becomes an option, well, I think "disgraceful" is pretty apt.
    jbmonroe wrote: »
    I don't know what their built-in character traits would be, but this is as good a place as any to start the speculating.

    Well, they are optimistic and like crowded environments with lots of people, perhaps some kind of buff that increases with the number of allied characters within proximity? They can also climb near-vertical surfaces in the manner of a lizard and have powerful immune systems, even holding out for a time against Borg nano-probes, but are quite sensitive to radiation.
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  • morbideccentric#9020 morbideccentric Member Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    Isn't the captain from the tutorial a denobulan?

    There are some Denobulan NPC's, yes, this is why it confuses me even more that they are not yet playable or available as bridge officers.
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  • misterferengi#8959 misterferengi Member Posts: 486 Arc User
    To this day I can't understand why Pakleds are a playable race for the Federation ?, considering they are not a member of the Federation, Most people wouldn't have a clue what a Pakled was without watching that 1 episode of TNG.
    The Federation has a whooping 150 member worlds and therefore 150 other more deserving species to be a playable character than a 1 episode antagonist of the crew of the TNG. (They were used as background characters and were mentioned in a couple DS9 episodes but never used as a main species again).

    On the Denobulan's considering Phlox featured for 4 season's of Enterprise you'd have thought they would be a playable race as he was feature so prominently in Enterprise.
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  • misterferengi#8959 misterferengi Member Posts: 486 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    On the Denobulan's considering Phlox featured for 4 season's of Enterprise you'd have thought they would be a playable race as he was feature so prominently in Enterprise.
    But no one likes Enterprise outside a small group of fans, and Cryptic has done its best to avoid enterprise as much as possible, whole trying to scoop it all under the rug along with ToS and Kelvn stuff in the AoY expansion so they could get it done and move on.

    I'll be honest I'm not a fan of Enterprise (Prequels Hollywood has been fixated on them for over a decade now. Messing with the lore of established universes). If seasons 1-3 had been more like season 4 then it might have lasted longer.

    I only agree with Denobulan's as although there's 150 member races of the Federation only a few did actually get screen time longer than a background character and Denobulan's did.

    Although we could have had Bynar's but that would have been awkward and interesting as they travel in pairs.

    On another note why do Klingons players not NPC's not have have Pet or Combat Targs, or the Klingon dagger the D'k tahg ?
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  • morbideccentric#9020 morbideccentric Member Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    But no one likes Enterprise outside a small group of fans, and Cryptic has done its best to avoid enterprise as much as possible, whole trying to scoop it all under the rug along with ToS and Kelvn stuff in the AoY expansion so they could get it done and move on.

    Believe me, fewer people like Pakleds. Enterprise is my least favorite of the series with the exception of TOS, but I would still like to see Denobulans and not Pakleds in Starfleet.
  • On another note why do Klingons players not NPC's not have have Pet or Combat Targs, or the Klingon dagger the D'k tahg ?

    Seconded. I'd also like to be able to get an Ushaan-tor for my Andorian character.
  • tacofangstacofangs Member Posts: 2,951 Cryptic Developer
    The fact that Pakled - a species that according to canon is not in the Federation, has never had a Starfleet member, and only appears in a single episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, in which they are the antagonists to the Starfleet crew (and appear in none of the other series apart from brief unnamed background characters with no lines on an alien station) - is a playable Federation race and available as bridge officers while Denobulan - a race that is a member of the Federation and which one of the main characters from Star Trek: Enterprise belongs to (appearing in 90 episodes) - is not an available option for Federation playable race and bridge officers is disgraceful.

    P.S. it would also be nice to have Benzite bridge officers.

    Lt. Worf says: "Klingons aren't a Federation member either. . . "

    I don't know why Denobulans aren't a species. But arguing that Pakleds (which have been in for 5 of our 6 years), shouldn't be is kind of puerile. No, they are not a member of the Federation. Yes, they were only in one episode. Why are they in? Dunno, you'd have to talk to the team that worked here when they went in (before my time on the project). My guess? They're pretty easy. Add some bushy eyebrows, and you're halfway there. Denobulans take quite a bit more sculpting. And honestly, Pakleds are pretty great. I expect they were just someone's pet project.

    Bottom line, I can see your point, and even agree that Denobulans should be a Fed playable species. But starting your request thread on some high-righteously indignant-horse, is not a good way to go about presenting your case. . .

    On the Denobulan's considering Phlox featured for 4 season's of Enterprise you'd have thought they would be a playable race as he was feature so prominently in Enterprise.
    But no one likes Enterprise outside a small group of fans, and Cryptic has done its best to avoid enterprise as much as possible, whole trying to scoop it all under the rug along with ToS and Kelvn stuff in the AoY expansion so they could get it done and move on.

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  • fiberteksyfirfiberteksyfir Member Posts: 1,207 Arc User
    Aw snap I heard that crackdown all the way from the east coast. Either way i agree on the Denobulan bit. Theyre for sure a nice to have if anybody on the character team finds it in the kindness of their hearts to add them (and of course, skorts :) )
  • primar13primar13 Member Posts: 1,896 Bug Hunter
    edited September 2016
    Denobulans are a Playable Race.
    I've had a Denobulan Character for well over 2 years.

    They may not be an "Official" Race, but all the Parts to make them are available in the Costume Creator.
    Just make an "Alien" and Choose the Denobulan Parts.

    - Forehead Detail - Donobulan
    - Ears - Denobulan 1-5

    This way you get an extra Trait Slot :smile:

    You can also use this Method to make Xindi as well. :smile:
  • romineshrominesh Member Posts: 10 Arc User

    P.S. it would also be nice to have Benzite bridge officers.

    Yes! I could not agree more with this. Please get us real Benzite boffs, and not alien gen kitsmashes /beg
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  • fiberteksyfirfiberteksyfir Member Posts: 1,207 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    Small reference to the nakhul? So there werent nakhul lockboxes, red alerts, or missions prior to aoy that included them central to their stories prior to aoy?
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  • tacofangstacofangs Member Posts: 2,951 Cryptic Developer

    Huh?

    So by that logic, did we only do Delta Rising so we could be done with all of Voyager "ASAP"?

    Did we do Legacy of Romulus so we could be done with the Romulans "ASAP"?

    Releasing a bunch of content that follows one theme, does not mean we have no interest in it. . . quite the opposite. Why would we have made all of that stuff (literally months of work) if we had no interest in it?

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  • fiberteksyfirfiberteksyfir Member Posts: 1,207 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    Yeah no. Future proof came out well before AoY. Stormbound specifically november 2015. Nearly a year ago.
  • valenn1valenn1 Member Posts: 842 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    tacofangs wrote: »
    ... But arguing that Pakleds (which have been in for 5 of our 6 years), shouldn't be is kind of puerile. No, they are not a member of the Federation. Yes, they were only in one episode...

    Not exactly, they are in a lot of DS9 episodes (apparantly for the Pakled the "Quarks" is quite popular).

    EDIT: I can imagine a *lot* of interesting debates with Morn.
    Beta, LTA, CE, Multiple preorder Versions, all Addon Packs except AoY, nearly all KDF/Rom and ~50% of all Fedships, over 25 LockboxShips, Endurer of Atari's "Year of Hell", but...
    unfortunately:

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  • misterferengi#8959 misterferengi Member Posts: 486 Arc User
    tacofangs wrote: »

    Huh?

    So by that logic, did we only do Delta Rising so we could be done with all of Voyager "ASAP"?

    Did we do Legacy of Romulus so we could be done with the Romulans "ASAP"?

    Releasing a bunch of content that follows one theme, does not mean we have no interest in it. . . quite the opposite. Why would we have made all of that stuff (literally months of work) if we had no interest in it?

    Any chance of continuing that interest and expanding upon the Romulan's and that other main faction you have laying around somewhere collecting dust. Oh ! I forget what they are called ?, Ktarian's ?, Kelvan's ?, Karemma ? someone help me out here.
  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    This thread is proof that more than anything that people want what they don't have.
    When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
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  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    @somtaawkhar

    So you're saying that the temporal story line shows that what? Cryptic hates Enterprise, JJ Abrams, and TOS? If so, why would they do anything that encompasses those story lines?
    When you see "TRIBBLE" in my posts, it's because I manually typed "TRIBBLE" and censored myself.
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  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    edited September 2016
    @somtaawkhar

    So you're saying that the temporal story line shows that what? Cryptic hates Enterprise, JJ Abrams, and TOS? If so, why would they do anything that encompasses those story lines?
    Reread point 3.
    That doesn't answer my question since they don't have a mandate to do anything in particular.
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