As far as i can gather, "Soft Canon" is as good of an term for it, but i feel they try to treat it as close to possibly being canon as they can for the sake of feeling "Authentic".
Still, yeah.. STO is very much its own thing.. Its own timeline if you will.
I don't think people get the full implications of thr TNG episode Parallels.
If there are an infinate amount of alternate universes as established by the TNG episode Parallels, making that a canon, then its makes everything canon.
Because odds are if there are infinate universes then odds a given even has happened in one of them.
When I saw everything is canon, I mean everything, not just stuff related to what we think of as Star Trek.
The events in the tv show called Fraiser, in one Star Trek universe, not the Prime Universe or JJverse or Mirror Universe, would have happened, and Dr. Fraiser Crane, His Father, Brother, Daphane, Roz, even Bulldog would be real people in the reality living their lives as shown in the TV show, in some universe within the Star Trek Multiverse.
Same with Friends.
Same with NCIS or Last Man Standing.
Maybe even with something like the Stargate series and Game of Thrones and the Forgotten Realms.
Once the infinate parallel universes is confirmed canon the implication is that everyone else becomes canon, but it doesn't dawn on the writers this is the implication of that choice.
Interestingly Stargate also has Infinate Universes, as does Marvel, DC, and many others. Its even soft canon for the Forgotten Realms.
Heck this discussion is canon, because in an infinate multiverse it would certainly happen in one or more universes.
When the Many Worlds Theory becomes canon, which in Star Trek it has, then canon cesses to have real meaning. It Prime Univere or Prime cluster of universes vs. None Prime that Matters.
If STO was ever considered to be canon, then I believe Gene Roddenberry would rise from the dead to deliberately strike down all the individuals involved with making that decision, thus sending them to hell... or at least Gre'thor.
IDW comic books are continuing the Kelvin timeline with some truly exceptional stories (although yeah, Kirk does damage or in one case--spoiler but not really cause it seems to happen a lot with him--critically damage/lose the Enterprise.
IDW comic books are continuing the Kelvin timeline with some truly exceptional stories (although yeah, Kirk does damage or in one case--spoiler but not really cause it seems to happen a lot with him--critically damage/lose the Enterprise.
That seems to be a running theme in the Kelvin Universe.
If STO was ever considered to be canon, then I believe Gene Roddenberry would rise from the dead to deliberately strike down all the individuals involved with making that decision, thus sending them to hell... or at least Gre'thor.
If PWE/Cryptic showed him the amount of money that they were making, he'd say STO was the only canon thing in the franchise and all the TV shows/movies weren't canonical.
If STO was ever considered to be canon, then I believe Gene Roddenberry would rise from the dead to deliberately strike down all the individuals involved with making that decision, thus sending them to hell... or at least Gre'thor.
If PWE/Cryptic showed him the amount of money that they were making, he'd say STO was the only canon thing in the franchise and all the TV shows/movies weren't canonical.
Most of which has been made during the long Iconian arc of the game.
If STO was ever considered to be canon, then I believe Gene Roddenberry would rise from the dead to deliberately strike down all the individuals involved with making that decision, thus sending them to hell... or at least Gre'thor.
If PWE/Cryptic showed him the amount of money that they were making, he'd say STO was the only canon thing in the franchise and all the TV shows/movies weren't canonical.
Most of which has been made during the long Iconian arc of the game.
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
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Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
It's not canon unless CBS says it is. Bear in mind though, the storylines have to be authorised by CBS, as Cryptic has previously said.
This is why in my opinion, the EVENTS of STO are canon, but since there is no defined ship captain to guide through the events like all the REST of trek shows, the experience is not canon.
Overall, I would call STO hard canon, but that is just me.
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So if Star Trek believes in an infinite number of parallel universes, then Imperial Star Destroyers, Rincewind and his Luggage, Lexx, Serenity Gou'ald, and anything else we have read in a book or seen in a TV series is Star Trek canon. It is just not Star Trek Prime Universe canon which is the most important canon as far as Star Trek is concerned.
So if Star Trek believes in an infinite number of parallel universes, then Imperial Star Destroyers, Rincewind and his Luggage, Lexx, Serenity Gou'ald, and anything else we have read in a book or seen in a TV series is Star Trek canon. It is just not Star Trek Prime Universe canon which is the most important canon as far as Star Trek is concerned.
Canon is still only what we actually saw on screen. We haven't seen Luggage in Star Trek.
Even an infinite number of parallel universes does not necessarily mean everything is possible in some universe. If all the universes still have to follow the same rule of physics, for example, some ideas for universes are impossible to exist.
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folks will know for sure (and would most likely be rather salty over it regardless) as soon as the powers that be come up with a new TV series Post TNG/Destruction o' Romulus - which won't happen any time soon but hope the new series next year will help get interest back up in star trek series in general because you'd never know.
Star Trek Online has been the trekker susbstinance since Enterprise got cancelled. Now, with the new series coming out, I'm wondering whether any of this (STO) is going to be canon or do we ignore it? I'm fine either way but I'm just curious....IS STO CANON?
nope, no video game, novel, tech manual, or anything else licensed to use the Trek name is canon. Only TV series and movies.
Untrue .... When Paramount gave Star Trek to J.J. Abrams this was changed. J.J. Abrams and Brian Fuller are now in charge of Star Trek and they decide what is and is not Canon.
The 2 4-part comic books that were put out before the J.J. movies (Countdown and Countdown to Darkness, I think) are considered canon by J.J. so are "Officially" Canon.
When Roddenberry and Berman were in charge it was "Whatever was on screen, TV and Movies."
When J.J. took over he made those Countdown comics Canon. This is why Data is Captain of the Enterprise, it happened in the Countdown comic.
Now we have Brian Fuller and his crew in charge of TV Canon with the new show coming out....
As confused as this is I think this is the current Canon.... Remember when J.J. took over Star Wars, he stated that the extended Star Wars universe (Books and other media) were no longer Canon ....
Canon is whatever the people in charge (at that time) say that Canon is ......
So that was a huge retcon, was an egotistical jerk. Not a Star Wars fan, but ripping someone elses favourite setting to pieces for your own greedy self interest is selfish and spiteful.
If those things were canon before, they should be canon now.
But that's the issue. Canon is part of our investment in this exciting Trek world. I'm cool with the canon suggestion that was offered that this (STO) is just another alternate universe. That makes sense to me. I can get behind that. It pays respect to PRIME, Kelvin, and incorporates the possiblities while not retconing (which I hate).
The question of what is canon is likely answered with buddhist Spock: "The canon of the many outweigh the canon of the few."
I think you hit something lordgyor. The issue with kelvin timeline is largely the retcon. The story was fine, the characters okay, but their origins went against the investment/i.e. canon.
Of course academy kirk in command...sigh. that's like having a high school graduate command a submarine the day after graduation. I try but I just can't get behind it. I mean, my toon in STO...oh, wait. Uhm, we did the same thing in this game.
Untrue .... When Paramount gave Star Trek to J.J. Abrams this was changed. J.J. Abrams and Brian Fuller are now in charge of Star Trek and they decide what is and is not Canon.
The 2 4-part comic books that were put out before the J.J. movies (Countdown and Countdown to Darkness, I think) are considered canon by J.J. so are "Officially" Canon.
When Roddenberry and Berman were in charge it was "Whatever was on screen, TV and Movies."
When J.J. took over he made those Countdown comics Canon. This is why Data is Captain of the Enterprise, it happened in the Countdown comic.
Now we have Brian Fuller and his crew in charge of TV Canon with the new show coming out....
As confused as this is I think this is the current Canon.... Remember when J.J. took over Star Wars, he stated that the extended Star Wars universe (Books and other media) were no longer Canon ....
Canon is whatever the people in charge (at that time) say that Canon is ......
Lol. No. Disney took over Star Wars and wiped out the EU. Not JJ. CBS and Paramount say what's on screen is canon.
nope, no video game, novel, tech manual, or anything else licensed to use the Trek name is canon. Only TV series and movies.
The tech manual, and episode guide, chronology (and later encyclopedia) all were originally created as resources for the writers on the shows. To help keep all of the details straight. It wasn't until later when the creators realized the resource materials could be turned into popular published materials that the fans would love.
So let's not lose sight of the fact that the tech manual and encyclopedia exist as repositories of "canon" for the original purpose of guiding the writers on the show (and later shows and films) on what came before.
If any audience would appreciate their value when discussing canon I would have thought it would be the very audience that pores over every episode. Guess I was wrong there.
But that's the issue. Canon is part of our investment in this exciting Trek world. I'm cool with the canon suggestion that was offered that this (STO) is just another alternate universe. That makes sense to me.
The main server you play on is called Holodeck. It's far more likely STO is just a holodeck simulation not an alternate universe. That explains why after dying things reappear.
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Still, yeah.. STO is very much its own thing.. Its own timeline if you will.
If there are an infinate amount of alternate universes as established by the TNG episode Parallels, making that a canon, then its makes everything canon.
Because odds are if there are infinate universes then odds a given even has happened in one of them.
When I saw everything is canon, I mean everything, not just stuff related to what we think of as Star Trek.
The events in the tv show called Fraiser, in one Star Trek universe, not the Prime Universe or JJverse or Mirror Universe, would have happened, and Dr. Fraiser Crane, His Father, Brother, Daphane, Roz, even Bulldog would be real people in the reality living their lives as shown in the TV show, in some universe within the Star Trek Multiverse.
Same with Friends.
Same with NCIS or Last Man Standing.
Maybe even with something like the Stargate series and Game of Thrones and the Forgotten Realms.
Once the infinate parallel universes is confirmed canon the implication is that everyone else becomes canon, but it doesn't dawn on the writers this is the implication of that choice.
Interestingly Stargate also has Infinate Universes, as does Marvel, DC, and many others. Its even soft canon for the Forgotten Realms.
Heck this discussion is canon, because in an infinate multiverse it would certainly happen in one or more universes.
When the Many Worlds Theory becomes canon, which in Star Trek it has, then canon cesses to have real meaning. It Prime Univere or Prime cluster of universes vs. None Prime that Matters.
That seems to be a running theme in the Kelvin Universe.
If PWE/Cryptic showed him the amount of money that they were making, he'd say STO was the only canon thing in the franchise and all the TV shows/movies weren't canonical.
Most of which has been made during the long Iconian arc of the game.
Therefore...
Iconians.
Iconians
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Agreed.
This is why in my opinion, the EVENTS of STO are canon, but since there is no defined ship captain to guide through the events like all the REST of trek shows, the experience is not canon.
Overall, I would call STO hard canon, but that is just me.
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Even an infinite number of parallel universes does not necessarily mean everything is possible in some universe. If all the universes still have to follow the same rule of physics, for example, some ideas for universes are impossible to exist.
it fires cannonballs
STO is not canon but fires BFaW alot
/thatisall
Otherwise? the aforementioned "not as such, no.."
But not all of them do, the Fluidic Space Universe for example or a universe altered by the Q.
In fact the Q continium might be its own seperate universe, I don't know.
nope, no video game, novel, tech manual, or anything else licensed to use the Trek name is canon. Only TV series and movies.
Untrue .... When Paramount gave Star Trek to J.J. Abrams this was changed. J.J. Abrams and Brian Fuller are now in charge of Star Trek and they decide what is and is not Canon.
The 2 4-part comic books that were put out before the J.J. movies (Countdown and Countdown to Darkness, I think) are considered canon by J.J. so are "Officially" Canon.
When Roddenberry and Berman were in charge it was "Whatever was on screen, TV and Movies."
When J.J. took over he made those Countdown comics Canon. This is why Data is Captain of the Enterprise, it happened in the Countdown comic.
Now we have Brian Fuller and his crew in charge of TV Canon with the new show coming out....
As confused as this is I think this is the current Canon.... Remember when J.J. took over Star Wars, he stated that the extended Star Wars universe (Books and other media) were no longer Canon ....
Canon is whatever the people in charge (at that time) say that Canon is ......
If those things were canon before, they should be canon now.
In this game...this is the truth. Write your own Captain's Log.
The question of what is canon is likely answered with buddhist Spock: "The canon of the many outweigh the canon of the few."
I think you hit something lordgyor. The issue with kelvin timeline is largely the retcon. The story was fine, the characters okay, but their origins went against the investment/i.e. canon.
Of course academy kirk in command...sigh. that's like having a high school graduate command a submarine the day after graduation. I try but I just can't get behind it. I mean, my toon in STO...oh, wait. Uhm, we did the same thing in this game.
Lol. No. Disney took over Star Wars and wiped out the EU. Not JJ. CBS and Paramount say what's on screen is canon.
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The tech manual, and episode guide, chronology (and later encyclopedia) all were originally created as resources for the writers on the shows. To help keep all of the details straight. It wasn't until later when the creators realized the resource materials could be turned into popular published materials that the fans would love.
So let's not lose sight of the fact that the tech manual and encyclopedia exist as repositories of "canon" for the original purpose of guiding the writers on the show (and later shows and films) on what came before.
If any audience would appreciate their value when discussing canon I would have thought it would be the very audience that pores over every episode. Guess I was wrong there.
The main server you play on is called Holodeck. It's far more likely STO is just a holodeck simulation not an alternate universe. That explains why after dying things reappear.