The specs for the T6 Vorgon Xyfius Heavy Escort looks fine to me. I have not flown it yet though. I will compare it's stats to the T6 Phantom Intel Escort which my Fed Tactical captain has flown in the past (currently flying the Guardian).
- The hill points is 40.5k at level 50 and ends up at 47k when you are level 60. In comparison the T6 Phantom Intel Escort has 31.35k hull points at level 50 and 38k at level 60. That is a pretty decent increase in hull points so I think that would qualify as a heavy escort.
- The shield modifier of 1 is better than 0.9 that the Phantom Intel Escort has so, that is pretty decent.
- With a 4/3 weapon load out it pretty standard for any escort in the game. For the uninitiated, the Bird of Prey starships are raiders so they only have a 4/2 weapon load out, but they do get the flanking damage bonus.
- Bridge Officer slots in the Xyfius Heavy Escort is okay. It is not as flexible as the Phantom Intel Escort though since the Xyfius only has a Lt. Cmdr station that is Universal / Intelligence. The Phantom on the other hand has a Cmdr Tactical / Intelligence station, a Lieutenant Science / Intelligence and an ensign Universal station. But overall 5 Boff stations is standard for escorts.
- The Xyfius has 11 consoles vs. only 10 consoles for the Phantom. That means the Xyfius is considered to be a fleet level Tier 6 starship. The Xyfius has 5 tactical console slots which is pretty standard for an escort. And 2 science console slots also seems to be pretty standard for most escorts. However, 4 engineering console slots means an extra resistance console can be used to increase "tankiness", but there are diminishing returns when use more than one armor console.
- Only two device slots. Meh, seem standard.
- The Xyfius has a turn rate of 15 vs a turn rate of 17 that the Phantom has. That is acceptable since the Xyfius is considered to be a Heavy Escort so it seems to be a good trade off for having better hull strength. A turn rate of 15 is still good, and if boosted up high enough the ship should be able to use Dual Heavy Cannons. If not then Dual Beam Banks is definitely the way to go.
- The Impulse rating is 0.20 for the Xyfius and 0.22 for the Phantom. I think that is acceptable considering the Xyfius is a Heavy Escort.
- The Xyfius' Inertia Rating of 60 is definitely not as high as the Phantom's 75. I think it would have been better if it was 65 instead, however, I need to fly the ship to determine if 60 is "bad".
- Bonus Power for the Xyfius is +15 Weapons and +5 Engines compared to +10 Weapons and +10 Engines for the Phantom. Personally, I would have like it if the Xyfius has the same bonus as the Phantom. Yes, more power to weapons means more damage, but with only +5 power to Engines, the Xyfius will not fly as fast as the Phantom, then again it is a Heavy Escort.
Overall, in my opinion just based on the stats, the Xyfius looks like a good ship to me for a Heavy Escort... especially since it is a free starship which probably only took me around 50 - 75 minutes to do all the necessary Flying High dailies to get the ship. I will probably have my Fed Tactical captain fly this ship. Based on my playing habits, I only tend to only use C-Store ship and collect event ships. The exceptions are my KDF and Romulan Science captains due to the lack of as faction specific science ship. Those captains have flown "alien" ships in the past; my Romulan Science captain is currently flying the Krenim Science ship (2016 Anniversary), and my KDF science captain is flying the T6 Kor BoP with a heavy focus on science. However, once the T6 Eternal science ship is released, then both can fly a T6 science ship from the C-Store... even though the Eternal is not a faction specific ship.
I might also fly the Xyfius with my secondary KDF Tactical captain, but definitely not my primary KDF Tactical captain and not my Romulan Tactical captain either. Due to the Xyfius' Harasser Probe console giving +25% to Tetryon damage (and +8% Critical Severity), I guess I will have to craft Tetryon weapons to get the best potential out of the ship... However, on my secondary STO that is strictly "free to play", I will definitely give this ship a whirl with my KDF engineer and I might as well create a AoY Fed Tactical captain later is week.
Just gonna chime in here, this is actually a pretty spot-on assesment of the Vorgon escort, I've been flying mine around all day (mostly doing patrols one elite difficulty) and she handles pretty well. I have yet to blow up yet in it and with those 5 tac console slots she hits like a hammer!
I'd wager the OP just needs to refine his/her build to better accomidate the fact that escorts aren't designed to tank like a cruiser, being evasive is the way to survive with these quick ships.
That said, 4 engineering consoles do offer some opportunities to increase durability with armor consoles should you need to. I haven't, as I've been using Pilot as my primary spec so every time I pop an Attack pattern I get a nice little boost in the form of temporary HP, buys some time for that hazard emitters ability to fully repair my hull.
I'm somewhat skeptical of the console and trait, I haven't seen the trait fire off very consistantly, though that could be attributed to me activating FAW in the middle of a firing sequence... oops lol. And those harrasser probes seem more like a minor nuisance than an effective damage delivery platform, kinda silly really, it's just a half-baked hangar bay lol. Still, not every piece of equipment can be as effective as a Leech...
Honestly, I find the console and trait to be just as effective as the ones that came with my Paradox. I'm not terribly fond of those either. But the ship itself more than makes up for the lackluster extras, which is also true in this case.
The Boff layout of the Vorgon ship is quite good for an escort**, that Lt. Commander Uni/Intel really adds a degree of versatility to an otherwise tac heavy escort. And it's Intel! Which is darn good for an event ship!
** (I might have prefered a bit more eng/sci space but this is an escort not a sci boat lol)
Overall, this is a farily well-rounded escort, versatile, moderately durable, and capable of racking up kills faster than a Klingon at a Tribble convention.
Think the op doesnt understand how t6 dreads dont really take anything to be good in. the nandi is a real good destroyer btw and the only ship in the game that has 6 boff slots. escorts do take skill in knowing their strengths and weaknesses. they are how you build them. they can be tanky with the right gear. they can be glass cannons if you want them to be. And 99% of the time if you are an idiot and dont know how to use the ship, charging in will get you blown up real fast. Getting hit too much? pop a defensive skill. run evasive lock or jam sensors. saying a ship sucks jsut cause you havent figured it out is bad dude. and if you want me the prove it look at the people sucessfully running isa in tier 1 ships. if you know how to equip/build it your ships will be good.
Oh don't you even try to turn this around on me. I just dealt with over three dozen posts of flames and rudeness and ignorant assumptions toward me because I criticized a ship. My behavior, unlike yours, is justified. You people have NO right to push me around and talk down to me. So **** off.
So given your dislike for the ship, what is the purpose of your rant? Do you expect cryptic to come back to you and say. "You're right, we're now going to rework the ship to 100,000k hull, Shield mod 2.0 change 50k dps every beam and give you 11 tac spot for your tac console?
Or perhaps you're looking for people to agree with you which again, would serve no purpose because they're certainly not going to remake the ship just because you're upset.
You people are the worst part of PWE by far, even worse than their unethical ultra capitalism and nickle and diming nonsense. I have never met a worse group of people anywhere on the internet.
I suggest you go back through and analyze your own behavior.
Posts prior to this were mostly people trying to help you. You're upset because everyone didn't pile on in your favor, you didn't post this for any reason other then trying to rally people around your cause and now that it's failed, you're upset.
By far the most insulting and childish poster in this thread has been you yourself. You have never once even remotely considered the possibility that any part of your problem could be your own fault.
Last I checked the ship had stats approaching a Morrigu.
OP, would need more info about how the ship isn't working for you. I haven't tried it yet since I'm 1 day away from obtaining it, but I have on doubt that it'll shine for its role as a Heavy Escort, just like the Nandi destroyer did from last year's summer event.
It also looks really cool considering I haven't liked any free-event ships since the Samsar, or the 2 T5 Risa ships which were taken away from me because of exclusivity. I've seen it once in space and it seems it's quite tiny, but that can be a good contrast from all the other oversized ships, especially Romulan ones that look out of scale sitting next to Fed or even KDF ships.
Try eliminating all possible obvious reasons for what could be wrong with the ship in your experience. Do the stats show up properly in system space? Are you using the same space traits and are they slotted? Were you flying alongside certain team members that perhaps offered bonuses?
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Of course your dreadnought can tear this apart. It's an Escort. Its job is to hit fast and hard, then fade back while someone's Cruiser (or Dreadnought) keeps pounding away at the target.
If you're flying this thing like it's a battleship, you're going to lose. It's as simple as that. Know your ships, know their strengths, know their weaknesses. Use her the way she's supposed to be used, and she'll show her T6 self to you. Use her like she's a different type of ship, and she'll be vapor. Same applies to the others - the Nandi is the only "cruiser" that can handle like a destroyer- pardon me, an Escort; the others will wallow in the turns. You can't hit-and-run a target with a Yorktown the way you can with a Sao Paulo, it's just the nature of the beast.
It performed nicely for me today with a full Nukara tetryon build; specifically with the Nukara space set, Krenim Temporal manipulation set, and the Nukara appropriated muntions set. 4 Tetryon dual bema banks, 2 omni's, and nukara mine.
I did almost the same set-up, only my front weapons were slightly different (Quantum Phase Torpedo, Refracting Dual Heavy Cannons, Refracting Dual Beam Bank, Destabilizing Beam Array). 3x Fleet vulnerability locators, sticky web & ship specific console in tac slots.
If you can't take that set-up with a Lt Commander Intel seat and make it end lives, the problem is you OP.
I went to Argala and flew it like a cruiser: 90% of the time I just parked with my throttle at zero and turreted, never died once while completing ship mastery.
This ship is great, especially for a freebie. It doesn't fly like my Tarantula, or Yamato, or Battle Cruiser, or Command Ship, or Flag Ship, but I didn't expect it to as it's an escort.
"I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am."
A lot of people keep saying that the Nandi is a cruiser. It isn't. It's a destroyer, which is a sub-class of escorts. Yes, it has 8 weapon slots like a cruiser, but it pays for that by having two ensign slots instead of those being combined into a lieutenant slot.
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
I actually commend the devs for putting something out that is not just another power-creep ship, but something that is trying to focus more around boosting the effectiveness of other energy types (like the largely laughable state of tetryon). I mean why does every ship seem to have to push the envelope of ship power to some players, instead of broadening the amount of versatility of what styles of play can be done/used. An this new ship by the looks of stats does look to do that, while also not being remotely weaker by a large margin than others in it's own classification. I would love to see this done more with the devs kicking out ships that improve the viability of many other playstyles an energy/torp types that have lingered behind the other types we see more often.
I actually commend the devs for putting something out that is not just another power-creep ship, but something that is trying to focus more around boosting the effectiveness of other energy types (like the largely laughable state of tetryon). I mean why does every ship seem to have to push the envelope of ship power to some players, instead of broadening the amount of versatility of what styles of play can be done/used. An this new ship by the looks of stats does look to do that, while also not being remotely weaker by a large margin than others in it's own classification. I would love to see this done more with the devs kicking out ships that improve the viability of many other playstyles an energy/torp types that have lingered behind the other types we see more often.
I totally agree. The fact that I was tearing things to shreds in Argala this morning in a tetryon-equipped escort while being nigh invincible, I was literally cracking up. This ship is really stupid fun, I love it. Major bonus points for looking gorgeous when using Dyson shields and Breen engines in the appearance tab. Bridge is really cool too.
I wish they still made bridge packs. I guess I was one of the only people who bought bridge packs and ship costumes back when they actually used to make and sell them. Long live Space Barbie!
"I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am."
The only thing I would not have minded seeing done with this or another escort is a more hit an run/raider like trait for the ship. Like as I have suggested in other threads a trait that makes it that you gain a damage/crit-chance/crit-severity buff to your forward slotted weapons that stacks up as you strafe off an have only your rear-weapons firing on a target, maybe making it that you gain these stack when you only have targets in your rear-weapon firing arc, and then this buff would decay away till once again you strafe off leaving only your rear-weapons with target's in their firing arc.
It's a FREE T6 with a universal intel seat. Also, that station is a VERY good seat. I don't understand the problem.
The problem is the OP is the same poster who always posts rants about one thing or other and doesn't look for solutions to their problem. And they generally post them on the weekend when Mods are absent, to maximize their ability to insult any who try to help and call them trolls. And they don't think they're the ones acting badly.
Yup, saw who the OP was and decided to wait and try my pink ship out in a few days when I finish my Flying Highs for it. Figured it must be a helluva ship if this person was ranting about how sucky it is.
Now a LTS and loving it.
Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything.
3. It can't compete with my T6 Dreadnought at all. Not in DPS, not in utility, and not in durability. I can fly escorts just fine, I have a 60 Klingon I rip stuff apart with, so I can fly an escort.
Of course. It's an escort. Escorts don't perform like dreadnoughts, because (big surprise) they aren't dreadnoughts.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
Think WWII Destroyer against a WWII Battleship. Will the Destroyer put out the same firepower as the Battleship?
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'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I tried to be reasonable in discussion, but I'm done with you. All I've gotten this entire thread is flames and people making stupid assumptions. You have all shown yourselves to be of low intellect and character. What is wrong with all you rude bullying jerkoffs anyway? Weren't you raised right? You're all a bunch of losers.
You people are the worst part of PWE by far, even worse than their unethical ultra capitalism and nickle and diming nonsense. I have never met a worse group of people anywhere on the internet.
Only because your IQ is under 100 and you don't know how to read.
Oh dear, This went down hill fast.
I love the ship, Built and flown right, It's more than enough ship to get the job done and the best part is, it didn't come out of the C store, or some bloody Lotobox.
It was a gift, from Cryptic's and PWE. They don't have to give us a damned thing, good or otherwise.
They could have easily sold it for 30$, which is the going rate for a T6 ship, maybe even stuck it in a lotobox !
Try doing some research on youtube, look particularly at those DPS folks. They do great budget builds. You can get some real good pointers on how to build the ship up to it's strengths.
I'm not sayin you don't know what you're doing, but everyone can use some pointers from time to time.
Of course your dreadnought can tear this apart. It's an Escort. Its job is to hit fast and hard, then fade back while someone's Cruiser (or Dreadnought) keeps pounding away at the target.
The funny thing is, if the Freebie ship did rival the C-Store ship, then the OP would have probably started another rant thread complaining that he spent 3k Zen on a ship and everyone else got a free ship that was just as good.
You would think people would want the Free ship to be weaker then the ship they paid actual money for.
OP didn't want advice, he just wants to rant and get sympathy thinking people will agree with him. This thread is done and dusted.....unless someone wants to open another can of e-whoop TRIBBLE
OP doesn't know how to use the ship, I can easily hit in excess of 100k DPS on it barely trying, then again with the mods I have I can make a space potato do 100k dps.
1 it's free
2 you get a trait - that isn't great, but if you haven'T spent any Money and have no traits, it'll be an additional one
3 unlike the Ferengi ship it doesn't look like it's flying backwards
5 tac consoles and a universal console that isn't bad
4 you can make a fun aux2bat and override safety build
5 it's not bad
6 you get an admirality Card
verdict: fun Little ship, won't be the Primary ship for any of my 17 (soon 18) toons, but it's a good ship. Console is not bad (improves CrtD).
if you have the gear and know what you are doing you can do well in this ship.
definitely worth doing the flying high to get it
18 characters
KDF: 2 tacs, 2 engs, 3 scis
KDF Roms: 3 tacs, 1 eng, 1 scis
FED: 2 tacs, 1 eng, 2 scis
TOS: 1 tac
all on T5 rep (up to temporal)
all have mastered Intel tree (and some more specs Points)
highest DPS: 60.982
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Just gonna chime in here, this is actually a pretty spot-on assesment of the Vorgon escort, I've been flying mine around all day (mostly doing patrols one elite difficulty) and she handles pretty well. I have yet to blow up yet in it and with those 5 tac console slots she hits like a hammer!
I'd wager the OP just needs to refine his/her build to better accomidate the fact that escorts aren't designed to tank like a cruiser, being evasive is the way to survive with these quick ships.
That said, 4 engineering consoles do offer some opportunities to increase durability with armor consoles should you need to. I haven't, as I've been using Pilot as my primary spec so every time I pop an Attack pattern I get a nice little boost in the form of temporary HP, buys some time for that hazard emitters ability to fully repair my hull.
I'm somewhat skeptical of the console and trait, I haven't seen the trait fire off very consistantly, though that could be attributed to me activating FAW in the middle of a firing sequence... oops lol. And those harrasser probes seem more like a minor nuisance than an effective damage delivery platform, kinda silly really, it's just a half-baked hangar bay lol. Still, not every piece of equipment can be as effective as a Leech...
Honestly, I find the console and trait to be just as effective as the ones that came with my Paradox. I'm not terribly fond of those either. But the ship itself more than makes up for the lackluster extras, which is also true in this case.
The Boff layout of the Vorgon ship is quite good for an escort**, that Lt. Commander Uni/Intel really adds a degree of versatility to an otherwise tac heavy escort. And it's Intel! Which is darn good for an event ship!
** (I might have prefered a bit more eng/sci space but this is an escort not a sci boat lol)
Overall, this is a farily well-rounded escort, versatile, moderately durable, and capable of racking up kills faster than a Klingon at a Tribble convention.
So given your dislike for the ship, what is the purpose of your rant? Do you expect cryptic to come back to you and say. "You're right, we're now going to rework the ship to 100,000k hull, Shield mod 2.0 change 50k dps every beam and give you 11 tac spot for your tac console?
Or perhaps you're looking for people to agree with you which again, would serve no purpose because they're certainly not going to remake the ship just because you're upset.
How about you tell us what other ships you think are "in its class"?
Savage.
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
I missed the Nandi, and would like to get it for the trait to boost my science chars, though.
I suggest you go back through and analyze your own behavior.
Posts prior to this were mostly people trying to help you. You're upset because everyone didn't pile on in your favor, you didn't post this for any reason other then trying to rally people around your cause and now that it's failed, you're upset.
By far the most insulting and childish poster in this thread has been you yourself. You have never once even remotely considered the possibility that any part of your problem could be your own fault.
OP, would need more info about how the ship isn't working for you. I haven't tried it yet since I'm 1 day away from obtaining it, but I have on doubt that it'll shine for its role as a Heavy Escort, just like the Nandi destroyer did from last year's summer event.
It also looks really cool considering I haven't liked any free-event ships since the Samsar, or the 2 T5 Risa ships which were taken away from me because of exclusivity. I've seen it once in space and it seems it's quite tiny, but that can be a good contrast from all the other oversized ships, especially Romulan ones that look out of scale sitting next to Fed or even KDF ships.
Try eliminating all possible obvious reasons for what could be wrong with the ship in your experience. Do the stats show up properly in system space? Are you using the same space traits and are they slotted? Were you flying alongside certain team members that perhaps offered bonuses?
Of course your dreadnought can tear this apart. It's an Escort. Its job is to hit fast and hard, then fade back while someone's Cruiser (or Dreadnought) keeps pounding away at the target.
If you're flying this thing like it's a battleship, you're going to lose. It's as simple as that. Know your ships, know their strengths, know their weaknesses. Use her the way she's supposed to be used, and she'll show her T6 self to you. Use her like she's a different type of ship, and she'll be vapor. Same applies to the others - the Nandi is the only "cruiser" that can handle like a destroyer- pardon me, an Escort; the others will wallow in the turns. You can't hit-and-run a target with a Yorktown the way you can with a Sao Paulo, it's just the nature of the beast.
Who's there?
Vorgan
Vorgan who?
T6 Vorgan ship!
NOW I think we can all agree T6 Vorgan Ship is officially a joke!
No need to thank me.
I did almost the same set-up, only my front weapons were slightly different (Quantum Phase Torpedo, Refracting Dual Heavy Cannons, Refracting Dual Beam Bank, Destabilizing Beam Array). 3x Fleet vulnerability locators, sticky web & ship specific console in tac slots.
If you can't take that set-up with a Lt Commander Intel seat and make it end lives, the problem is you OP.
I went to Argala and flew it like a cruiser: 90% of the time I just parked with my throttle at zero and turreted, never died once while completing ship mastery.
This ship is great, especially for a freebie. It doesn't fly like my Tarantula, or Yamato, or Battle Cruiser, or Command Ship, or Flag Ship, but I didn't expect it to as it's an escort.
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
I totally agree. The fact that I was tearing things to shreds in Argala this morning in a tetryon-equipped escort while being nigh invincible, I was literally cracking up. This ship is really stupid fun, I love it. Major bonus points for looking gorgeous when using Dyson shields and Breen engines in the appearance tab. Bridge is really cool too.
I wish they still made bridge packs. I guess I was one of the only people who bought bridge packs and ship costumes back when they actually used to make and sell them. Long live Space Barbie!
The problem is the OP is the same poster who always posts rants about one thing or other and doesn't look for solutions to their problem. And they generally post them on the weekend when Mods are absent, to maximize their ability to insult any who try to help and call them trolls. And they don't think they're the ones acting badly.
Yup, saw who the OP was and decided to wait and try my pink ship out in a few days when I finish my Flying Highs for it. Figured it must be a helluva ship if this person was ranting about how sucky it is.
No, but it sounds.....interesting.
A fur-covered shark....I'm definitely up too late *Chuckle*
Like others have said, it IS an escort, genius.
Of course. It's an escort. Escorts don't perform like dreadnoughts, because (big surprise) they aren't dreadnoughts.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
I dare you to do better.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Oh dear, This went down hill fast.
I love the ship, Built and flown right, It's more than enough ship to get the job done and the best part is, it didn't come out of the C store, or some bloody Lotobox.
It was a gift, from Cryptic's and PWE. They don't have to give us a damned thing, good or otherwise.
They could have easily sold it for 30$, which is the going rate for a T6 ship, maybe even stuck it in a lotobox !
Try doing some research on youtube, look particularly at those DPS folks. They do great budget builds. You can get some real good pointers on how to build the ship up to it's strengths.
I'm not sayin you don't know what you're doing, but everyone can use some pointers from time to time.
The funny thing is, if the Freebie ship did rival the C-Store ship, then the OP would have probably started another rant thread complaining that he spent 3k Zen on a ship and everyone else got a free ship that was just as good.
You would think people would want the Free ship to be weaker then the ship they paid actual money for.
Truer words were never spoken.
For the cost in time there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
2 you get a trait - that isn't great, but if you haven'T spent any Money and have no traits, it'll be an additional one
3 unlike the Ferengi ship it doesn't look like it's flying backwards
5 tac consoles and a universal console that isn't bad
4 you can make a fun aux2bat and override safety build
5 it's not bad
6 you get an admirality Card
verdict: fun Little ship, won't be the Primary ship for any of my 17 (soon 18) toons, but it's a good ship. Console is not bad (improves CrtD).
if you have the gear and know what you are doing you can do well in this ship.
definitely worth doing the flying high to get it
KDF: 2 tacs, 2 engs, 3 scis
KDF Roms: 3 tacs, 1 eng, 1 scis
FED: 2 tacs, 1 eng, 2 scis
TOS: 1 tac
all on T5 rep (up to temporal)
all have mastered Intel tree (and some more specs Points)
highest DPS: 60.982