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  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,917 Arc User
    Comparing with her other posts, it seems to be an attempt to start some kind of flamefest, then sit back and watch, since she never goes back to post in any of them again.

    And on the weekend, when it's less likely to be moderated. Sounds like planning to me.
    Now a LTS and loving it.
    Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
    I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything. :D
  • officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    I would say those fleets need to be investigated. Thats some serious stuff, like extremist group watchlist stuff. Arcgames should no longer post blogs promoting their events or let them in their bldg.

    That is an ingame pic of STO, i was wondering how that was allowed also, a armpatch with an inspired design language similar to a fascist regime. Then i reminded myself its a fleet logo with a uniform placement. But that begs the question, nobody from cryptic checks fleet logos?
  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    echatty wrote: »
    Comparing with her other posts, it seems to be an attempt to start some kind of flamefest, then sit back and watch, since she never goes back to post in any of them again.

    And on the weekend, when it's less likely to be moderated. Sounds like planning to me.

    so in short its a case of obvious troll being obvious
  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,917 Arc User
    Obviously.
    Now a LTS and loving it.
    Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
    I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything. :D
  • risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    Edit: meant for @officerbatman81

    Good Q... people do realise that the symbol we're discussing here was in fact captured by the TRIBBLE's, that it was actually a quite positive symbol before, right?

    Also, look at the direction of the symbol. It's pointing to the left, which is often done nowadays because the TRIBBLE's, after they captured and abused the original symbol, chose to let its pointy parts point to the right.

    If you're going to be offended by a symbol, at least take some time to investigate it and actually show that you have at least some knowledge about that what is offending you. Cause otherwise your criticisms will look a bit silly.
  • officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    I am aware of the history of the symbol but you have to realize it was perverted and forever changed. It was on my grandmother's american high school yearbook, imagine my shock.

    For example a term that used to mean a pile of sticks is now a pejorative for people who love others of the same gender. You simply cant use it anymore. There are 1000 other terms like that.
    Things change.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,602 Community Moderator
    edited June 2016
    risian4 wrote: »

    Good Q... people do realise that the symbol we're discussing here was in fact captured by the ****'s, that it was actually a quite positive symbol before, right?

    Also, look at the direction of the symbol. It's pointing to the left, which is often done nowadays because the ****'s, after they captured and abused the original symbol, chose to let its pointy parts point to the right.

    If you're going to be offended by a symbol, at least take some time to investigate it and actually show that you have at least some knowledge about that what is offending you. Cause otherwise your criticisms will look a bit silly.

    On its own it might have been fine. But take the rest of it into consideration. Red background? Check. White circle? Check. Black Symbol? Check. Brown uniform with military belt (ENT Terran belt)? Check. All that added together = questionable. On its own I'd be willing to let it slide, but ALL THAT TOGETHER is RATHER OBVIOUS AND BLATANT.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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  • fatman592fatman592 Member Posts: 1,207 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    They know what they're dong and I assume they think it's funny when you get offended. Personally, I'm happy they offend people; sensitivity seems like it's at an all time high among the population of western countries. I will echo a previous comment, what's wrong with using satanic/occult imagery?

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=YGqitYqd1w4

    Oh noes, bringing JJ Trek to STO is a massive conspiracy to stealth indoctrinate gamers. This must be our lizard overlord's will to bring down society with another "inside job". But instead of controlling us with chem-trails, they use subtle visual queues because it bypasses tinfoil hats. Dental is really just a front for the Illuminati.

    That video was awful... but a quick search of google will confirm whatever biases you've decided to adopt. I may find some of what they do in bad taste, but they ought to be able to exercise their will as they see fit up to the point of inflicting real harm.
  • officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    @azrael605
    You advocate a libertarian state of play or anarchy?

    I disagree, there needs to be a measure of moderation. And this thread is an obvious example why.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,602 Community Moderator
    Unfortunately its the weekend. The Cat's away for two days, and the Mice will play.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,602 Community Moderator
    rattler2 wrote: »
    The Cat's away for two days, and the Mice will play.

    While I agree with you azrael... what I said still applies. Its not gonna get shut down until monday unless jo, askray, or Trendy check in over the weekend.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,917 Arc User
    And I had to look really, really hard to see anything in that nebula that was 'obscene'.
    Now a LTS and loving it.
    Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
    I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything. :D
  • szimszim Member Posts: 2,503 Arc User
    Oh dear... time for some kittens!

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  • risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    szim wrote: »
    Oh dear... time for some kittens!

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    We just needed a cat since he is, apparantly, away for two days. Not a bunch of kittens, dammit :p
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,602 Community Moderator
    Well... this is devolving real fast...
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
  • officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    edited June 2016
    @risian4
    I dont see what you edited and why its for me. Im not saying anything different just expanding on the general sentiment. Im not offended if that was directed at me.
  • smeeinn1tsmeeinn1t Member Posts: 618 Arc User
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  • risian4risian4 Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    Don't worry, it was about that general sentiment and a response to the discussion about that armpatch symbol in a pic a few reactions back.

    As some other people had already replied to other things, I just included your handle to make clear that I was replying to that discussion and your statement that it needed investigation.

    And offending people is never my goal so I'm glad you weren't offended ;)
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    edited June 2016
    The swastika has an extensive history. It was used at least 5,000 years before Adolf Hitler designed the TRIBBLE flag. The word swastika comes from the Sanskrit svastika, which means “good fortune” or “well-being." The motif (a hooked cross) appears to have first been used in Neolithic Eurasia, perhaps representing the movement of the sun through the sky. To this day it is a sacred symbol in Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and Odinism. It is a common sight on temples or houses in India or Indonesia. Swastikas also have an ancient history in Europe, appearing on artifacts from pre-Christian European cultures.

    The symbol experienced a resurgence in the late nineteenth century, following extensive archeological work such as that of the famous archeologist Heinrich Schliemann. Schliemann discovered the hooked cross on the site of ancient Troy. He connected it with similar shapes found on pottery in Germany and speculated that it was a “significant religious symbol of our remote ancestors.”

    In the beginning of the twentieth century the swastika was widely used in Europe. It had numerous meanings, the most common being a symbol of good luck and auspiciousness.

    Britain
    The Theosophical Society adopted a swastika as part of its seal, along with an Om, a hexagram or star of David, an Ankh and an Ouroboros. Unlike the much more recent Raëlian movement, the Theosophical Society symbol has been free from controversy, and the seal is still used. The current seal also includes the text "There is no religion higher than truth."
    Denmark[edit]

    Denmark
    The Danish brewery company Carlsberg Group used the swastika as a logo from the 19th Century until the middle of the 1930s when it was discontinued because of association with the TRIBBLE Party in neighbouring Germany.

    Ireland
    The Swastika Laundry was a laundry founded in 1912, located on Shelbourne Road, Ballsbridge, a district of Dublin, Ireland. In the fifties Heinrich Böll came across a van belonging to the company while he was staying in Ireland, leading to some awkward moments before he realized the company was older than Nazism and totally unrelated to it. The chimney of the boiler-house of the laundry still stands, but the laundry has been redeveloped.

    Finnish folklore
    In Finland the swastika was often used in traditional folk art products, as a decoration or magical symbol on textiles and wood. The swastika was also used by the Finnish Air Force until 1945, and is still used in air force flags.
    The tursaansydän is used by scouts in some instances and a student organization. The village of Tursa uses the tursaansydän as a kind of a certificate of authenticity on products made there. Traditional textiles are still being made with swastikas as parts of traditional ornaments.

    Swastika in Finnish military
    The Finnish Air Force used the swastika as an emblem, introduced in 1918. The type of swastika adopted by the air-force was the symbol of luck for the Swedish count Eric von Rosen, who donated one of its earliest aircraft; he later became a prominent figure in the Swedish TRIBBLE-movement.
    The swastika was also used by the women's paramilitary organization Lotta Svärd, which was banned in 1944 in accordance with the Moscow Armistice between Finland and the allied Soviet Union and Britain.
    The President of Finland is the grand master of the Order of the White Rose. According to the protocol, the president shall wear the Grand Cross of the White Rose with collar on formal occasions. The original design of the collar, decorated with 9 swastikas, dates from 1918, and was designed by the artist Akseli Gallen-Kallela. The Grand Cross with the swastika collar has been awarded 41 times to foreign heads of state. To avoid misunderstandings, the swastika decorations were replaced by fir crosses at the decision of president Urho Kekkonen in 1963 after it became known that the President of France Charles De Gaulle was uncomfortable with the swastika collar.
    Also a design by Gallen-Kallela from 1918, the Cross of Liberty has a swastika pattern in its arms. The Cross of Liberty is depicted in the upper left corner of the standard of the President of Finland.
    In December 2007, a silver replica of the World War II period Finnish air defence's relief ring decorated with a swastika became available as a part of a charity campaign.
    The original war time idea was that the public swap their precious metal rings for the State air defence's relief ring, made of iron.

    Latvia
    Latvia adopted the swastika, called the Ugunskrusts ("fire cross"), for its air force in 1918/1919 and continued its use until 1940. The cross itself was maroon on a white background, mirroring the colors of the Latvian flag. Earlier versions pointed counter-clockwise, while later versions pointed clock-wise and eliminated the white background.[90][91]

    Poland
    The traditional symbols of the Podhale Rifles include the edelweiss flower and the Mountain Cross, a swastika symbol popular in folk culture of the Polish mountainous regions. The units of Podhale Rifles, both historical and modern, are notable for their high morale and distinctive uniforms.

    North America
    The swastika motif is found in some traditional Native American art and iconography. Historically, the design has been found in excavations of Mississippian-era sites in the Ohio and Mississippi River valleys, and on objects associated with the Southeastern Ceremonial Complex (S.E.C.C.). It is also widely used by a number of southwestern tribes, most notably the Navajo, and plains nations such as the Dakota. Among various tribes, the swastika carries different meanings. To the Hopi it represents the wandering Hopi clan; to the Navajo it is one symbol for the whirling log (tsil no'oli), a sacred image representing a legend that is used in healing rituals. A brightly colored First Nations saddle featuring swastika designs is on display at the Royal Saskatchewan Museum in Canada.
    A swastika shape is a symbol in the culture of the Kuna people of Kuna Yala, Panama. In Kuna tradition it symbolizes the octopus that created the world, its tentacles pointing to the four cardinal points.
    In February 1925 the Kuna revolted vigorously against Panamanian suppression of their culture, and in 1930 they assumed autonomy. The flag they adopted at that time is based on the swastika shape, and remains the official flag of Kuna Yala. A number of variations on the flag have been used over the years: red top and bottom bands instead of orange were previously used, and in 1942 a ring (representing the traditional Kuna nose-ring) was added to the center of the flag to distance it from the symbol of the TRIBBLE party.
    The symbol for the 45th Infantry Division of the United States Army, before the 1930s, was a red square with a yellow swastika, a tribute to the large Native American population in the southwestern United States.
    The town of Swastika, Ontario, Canada is named after the symbol.

    and just for giggles
    The European Union's Executive Commission proposed a European Union-wide anti-racism law in 2001, but European Union states failed to agree on the balance between prohibiting racism and freedom of expression. An attempt to ban the swastika across the EU in early 2005 failed after objections from the British Government and others. In early 2007, while Germany held the European Union presidency, Berlin proposed that the European Union should follow German Criminal Law and criminalize the denial of the Holocaust and the display of TRIBBLE symbols including the swastika, which is based on the Ban on the Symbols of Unconstitutional Organizations Act. This led to an opposition campaign by Hindu groups across Europe against a ban on the swastika. They pointed out that the swastika has been around for 5,000 years as a symbol of peace. The proposal to ban the swastika was dropped by Berlin from the proposed European Union wide anti-racism laws on January 29, 2007.

    Before someone asks why I posted all of that? Because it gives this useless topic something educational and worthwhile... which it is otherwise lacking.
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  • scarlingscarling Member Posts: 708 Arc User
    I was browsing the news section for annual events held by STO and came across the following: Star Trek Online: 4th Annual Shutup Wesley Event.

    Take a close look at the image used to promote it:

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    • Why is there a Freemason symbol known as the Eye of Providence or the all-seeing eye at the top of the tree?
    • Why is there an upside-down star behind the tree—a symbol used by Satanic sects/cults?
    • The spread wings and the font, Gotenburg B Bold, created by a German typesetter Dieter Steffmann, resemble the Reichsadler and the fascist propaganda posters or magazine covers from WW2 Germany:

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    Additionally, I searched for Christmas events in STO and there's almost nothing official except the above annual event. Instead, there's some kind of substitute called "Q's Winter Wonderland". Where is the wonderful time of the year? Did Grinch steal Christmas in STO and Cryptic's offices? By contrast, there are very prominent Halloween event promotions that actually use the word "Halloween". Isn't that odd?

    Of course, the people involved in running and promotion of the above annual event are free to explain themselves.

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