LOL, if Cryptic really wants to make money got to put all of them in lockboxes. Key sales will make them a TON more than just selling them in the store and letting the fan boys off easy. This way folks who don't want them will still drive sales as they buy zen and put the keys on sale for 5to6 million a piece. Other wise the folks that don't want anything to do with them wont buy them and Cryptic doesn't make anything off of them.
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you assume no one gets pissed and quits STO forever because the long awaited romulan carrier gets put in a lock box....
yeah if they are smart they will put it in C-store.....
It is one of the few JJ Universe ships that could end up in the C-Store. The Jellyfish ship and Kelvin ship are the other possibilities. The Narada and Jellyfish ship are included in STO's lore while the Kelvin ship is supposed to exist before there was any major differences between the Prime Universe and JJ Universe.
Cryptic has kept which ships belong in the C-Store and which ships belong in a Lockbox or Lobi Store pretty clear until the Tier 6 Temporal ships due to them being 27th and 31st Century ships. If it makes sense for a faction to have a particular ship, then it belongs in the C-Store. If it doesn't make sense for a faction to have a particular ship, then it belongs in a Lockbox or the Lobi Store.
If the core JJ ships end up in Luckboxes I will slam my wallet closed and never spend another dime on this game. The jellyfish ship in a lockbox OK, it should have special features, and be rare. But IF the Kelvin Class, or Nerada Class, or JJ-Prize end up in the game they had BETTER be in the C-store. After year and years of hearing " No JJ trek in STO." From the Devs, to all of sudden them saying " YES JJ trek in STO,, but only in lockboxes" would be BEYOND infuriating!!!!! For the record I do support branching off a bit into the JJ-Verse,, Star Trek '09 was actually a pretty good movie. The wrath of Khan 2.0,, not so much,, but coulda been worse. BEYOND looks REALLY good. Also has others have said, perhaps it will bring the next generation of Trek Fans into the game, the ones that don't really know TOS, or TNG, or DS9, etc, but like JJ-Trek.
Edit: IIRC wasn't it a standing policy since lockbox's first appeared that Faction Specific ships would not go in them? Then again isn't the Wells Faction Specific? Anyone have an input on this point?
There is no way they will be anything other than a gamble box.
If this is true,, my wallet will closed,,, forever,, to ANYTHING STO. I may in fact get really really angry and stomp around like a 3 year old for about 5 minutes... but then I will sit back down and start flying around a new shiny. /HURUMPH
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There is no way they will be anything other than a gamble box.
If this is true,, my wallet will closed,,, forever,, to ANYTHING STO. I may in fact get really really angry and stomp around like a 3 year old for about 5 minutes... but then I will sit back down and start flying around a new shiny. /HURUMPH
There is no way that Cryptic wouldn't monetize those ships...they're going to go out of their way and make those ships probably the most powerful gamble box ships the game has ever seen just so they can rake in piles and piles of cash from the people that would trip over themselves just to try and win.
Expect to see *I spent ?00 hundred dollars and didn't get my JJ ship* threads to pop up after the box is launched.
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the fact that people are even willing to spend X hundreds on frikking PIXELS boggles my mind... once this game sunsets(they all do sometime) yall will the the same ones demanding your money back wont you?
> @kodachikuno said: > the fact that people are even willing to spend X hundreds on frikking PIXELS boggles my mind... once this game sunsets(they all do sometime) yall will the the same ones demanding your money back wont you?
getting your money "back" has nothing to do with it. you spend 10-20 dollars at the theater for 2-3 hours of entertainment. you don't get that money "back" when you leave. so if someone spends 500 dollars on a lockbox ship and plays with it 1 hour a day for 3 years before the game shuts down, they got a lot of entertainment out of it. more for the money than you do at the theater.
[quote="crypticarmsman;12969624"][quote="crashdragon;12967372"][quote="jorantomalak;12967361"]I say add them to the C-store already
JJTrek may not be my trek, but its the trek of the next generation of trekkies and should be included, after all whether you like it or not its still trek...deal with it [/quote]
> @kodachikuno said:
> the fact that people are even willing to spend X hundreds on frikking PIXELS boggles my mind... once this game sunsets(they all do sometime) yall will the the same ones demanding your money back wont you?
getting your money "back" has nothing to do with it. you spend 10-20 dollars at the theater for 2-3 hours of entertainment. you don't get that money "back" when you leave. so if someone spends 500 dollars on a lockbox ship and plays with it 1 hour a day for 3 years before the game shuts down, they got a lot of entertainment out of it. more for the money than you do at the theater.
Ok, first, what theater you gettin into that has 2-3 hours of movies? Normally you're lucky if its over 95min. Second, you ever seen what happens when a game shuts down? EVERY SINGLE TIME there are throngs demanding their money back because they can no longer play with what they paid for. No, it makes no sense, but they are there every time.
..... so okay, why are the only choices available here either Z-Store or lockbox?
Considering the following: it's Star Trek's 50th Anniversary year, and the new movie is out in a month or so, I'd wager that if the KT Constitution class were to be made available in-game, it could potentially be a limited-time-only mission arc reward.
This has happened in the past several times in the game, ships being given out for sparse amounts of time as rewards. And aformentioned celebrations considered, it could make some sense. It'd also keep the actual in-game instances of the ship itself shockingly low, even lower than those from lockboxes; you either get it while it's there, or you don't. Period.
You seem a little vague on the concept "we want to attract new customers" because taking the iconic ship from the current generation of movies and saying "oh, you weren't playing last year? Well suck it, because you're NEVER getting the Enterprise" would be about the polar opposite of attracting new customers.
You seem a little vague on the concept "we want to attract new customers" because taking the iconic ship from the current generation of movies and saying "oh, you weren't playing last year? Well suck it, because you're NEVER getting the Enterprise" would be about the polar opposite of attracting new customers.
I see this less as "attract new customers" as it is coincidentally happening at the same time as Star Trek's big 50th Anniversary year.
So no, I'm not vague on the concept at all. I just don't particularly see it as that to begin with.
It honestly matters to me very little either way, to be honest.
Doubtful they will put faction specific ships in lockboxes, but if they do I'll be ready with my EC to buy the ARconnie off the exchange.
Think logically: they're not faction-specific ships, they're ships from an alternate reality's version of our factions. They're going in a lockbox. It's good you're already resolved to buying from the exchange, because that's exactly what you're going to have to do.
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Will the TOS Connie skin work on it? If not, I could care less. If so, then put it in the C-Store for me to buy.
I don't see why they would not let us put the TOS Constitution skin on the AR Constitution. After all, every new 23rd Century ship is able to put its skin on its 27th Century counterpart.
Assuming the KT Enterprise class (because my understanding is the class name is still shared with the first ship of the class) is a typical grand prize it's available at about 1:200 from lock boxes. 200 keys will easily net you 900,000,000ec.
Yeah. Any lock box ship should logically be above the exchange cap IF you ignore the value of the other 199 drops, but in practice they hover around 600,000,000 to 500,000,000ec for popular/mechanically effective ones. Down to around 200,000,000ec after they've aged in a while (as in multiple years later). If the prize box adapts to the faction of the character opening it the price will stay absolutely maxed as it's also granting the coolest & most effective Klingon and Romulan themed ships ever. Or the price box will be determined by the faction of the character using the key - which still splits the audience.
The real variable is 'how good are the rest of the contents of the prize list?'. If the weapon is good or there's the next utterly broken gene sequencer ala 'Inspirational Leader', then people will be opening tons of them and there will be extra special requisition packs to go around. If the other contents are junk.... ooof... The Exchange market will be bleeding from the eyeballs. Since I assume the new weapon will be phaser-based and there's a LOT of players who insist on phaser for their ships, expect a feeding frenzy.
Fact remains no matter how many people say "if it's not in the zeni store for $30 I ain't buying one" Cryptic is gonna make MASSIVE amounts of money. There are plenty of people who will force one out by sheer brute force or a least buy a few lottery tickets and hope.
I don't see why they would not let us put the TOS Constitution skin on the AR Constitution. After all, every new 23rd Century ship is able to put its skin on its 27th Century counterpart.
Because the AR Connie is not a counterpart to the TOS Connie, it is an alternate to it. They are both technically from the 23rd century after all.
The in-game AR Connie is also almost twice as big as the TOS one, too. At least the 26th century Starfleet ships seem to be the same size as their 23rd century ancestors, thus making any "kitbashing" in the tailor plausible (if somewhat.... obtuse looking in practice, I imagine).
At most, all you can hope for is a skin for the AR Connie that matches the color scheme of the TOS one. But as for using the same model, or parts? Highly doubtful.
(also, the official name for the Alternate Reality is apparently "Kelvin Timeline", according to a tweet Al Rivera made.)
The exchange cap is 750 million now not 500, other than that you might be right.
Right you are, forgot about that.. thanks.
As mentioned before, the drop rate will have a lot to do with it. This ship is going to be in high demand though, even with a fairly generous drop rate, it's going to be expensive.
Doesn't matter much to me, I'm happy with the ships I have now. I might spend a few dollars trying to get one to sell, I could always use the Lobi.
I've held off on voting, but I've decided I should.
Lock box. Because Cryptic raking in piles of dough does more for my prospects of long term enjoyment of Star Trek Online than me getting a discount this month. Do I want a Narada-replica? Absolutely. But if I'm honest with myself, I want it a lot more than $30 (obviously, since I'm gonna buy the Eaglemoss one roughly the second it becomes available). Cryptic only gets to sell these assets one way, and overall I'd prefer it be the way that will make the most money. Me getting (or not getting) a ship has less impact than them being able to plus-up their staff.
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if they decided to make the jjships. some people like them, and dont want to gamble. other people dont like them and dont want to see them very often in game. so if they decided to make the jj ships which way do you want?
edited. someone on reddit also make poll. it has more of the votes
For me the difference here is that the alternate Kelvin Timeline ships are a part of an ongoing Paramount film series, where the alternate Enterprise is the hero ship. Different reality or not, the situation here is vastly different to putting one off ships like the future Wells-class in a lock box.
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It is one of the few JJ Universe ships that could end up in the C-Store. The Jellyfish ship and Kelvin ship are the other possibilities. The Narada and Jellyfish ship are included in STO's lore while the Kelvin ship is supposed to exist before there was any major differences between the Prime Universe and JJ Universe.
Cryptic has kept which ships belong in the C-Store and which ships belong in a Lockbox or Lobi Store pretty clear until the Tier 6 Temporal ships due to them being 27th and 31st Century ships. If it makes sense for a faction to have a particular ship, then it belongs in the C-Store. If it doesn't make sense for a faction to have a particular ship, then it belongs in a Lockbox or the Lobi Store.
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There is no way they will be anything other than a gamble box.
If this is true,, my wallet will closed,,, forever,, to ANYTHING STO. I may in fact get really really angry and stomp around like a 3 year old for about 5 minutes... but then I will sit back down and start flying around a new shiny. /HURUMPH
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There is no way that Cryptic wouldn't monetize those ships...they're going to go out of their way and make those ships probably the most powerful gamble box ships the game has ever seen just so they can rake in piles and piles of cash from the people that would trip over themselves just to try and win.
Expect to see *I spent ?00 hundred dollars and didn't get my JJ ship* threads to pop up after the box is launched.
> the fact that people are even willing to spend X hundreds on frikking PIXELS boggles my mind... once this game sunsets(they all do sometime) yall will the the same ones demanding your money back wont you?
getting your money "back" has nothing to do with it. you spend 10-20 dollars at the theater for 2-3 hours of entertainment. you don't get that money "back" when you leave. so if someone spends 500 dollars on a lockbox ship and plays with it 1 hour a day for 3 years before the game shuts down, they got a lot of entertainment out of it. more for the money than you do at the theater.
JJTrek may not be my trek, but its the trek of the next generation of trekkies and should be included, after all whether you like it or not its still trek...deal with it
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Ok, first, what theater you gettin into that has 2-3 hours of movies? Normally you're lucky if its over 95min. Second, you ever seen what happens when a game shuts down? EVERY SINGLE TIME there are throngs demanding their money back because they can no longer play with what they paid for. No, it makes no sense, but they are there every time.
Considering the following: it's Star Trek's 50th Anniversary year, and the new movie is out in a month or so, I'd wager that if the KT Constitution class were to be made available in-game, it could potentially be a limited-time-only mission arc reward.
This has happened in the past several times in the game, ships being given out for sparse amounts of time as rewards. And aformentioned celebrations considered, it could make some sense. It'd also keep the actual in-game instances of the ship itself shockingly low, even lower than those from lockboxes; you either get it while it's there, or you don't. Period.
I see this less as "attract new customers" as it is coincidentally happening at the same time as Star Trek's big 50th Anniversary year.
So no, I'm not vague on the concept at all. I just don't particularly see it as that to begin with.
It honestly matters to me very little either way, to be honest.
Think logically: they're not faction-specific ships, they're ships from an alternate reality's version of our factions. They're going in a lockbox. It's good you're already resolved to buying from the exchange, because that's exactly what you're going to have to do.
I hate those who are not willing to change with the times. Man, all the other Trek stuff looks old as dirt. Gene, God/Gods rest his soul, is gone. We need to move on.
The value will be too high, you'll have to buy it in trade channels. No one is going to sell it for a mere 500M.
Depends on its drop rate or if it is a Lobi Store ship.
I don't see why they would not let us put the TOS Constitution skin on the AR Constitution. After all, every new 23rd Century ship is able to put its skin on its 27th Century counterpart.
Assuming the KT Enterprise class (because my understanding is the class name is still shared with the first ship of the class) is a typical grand prize it's available at about 1:200 from lock boxes. 200 keys will easily net you 900,000,000ec.
Yeah. Any lock box ship should logically be above the exchange cap IF you ignore the value of the other 199 drops, but in practice they hover around 600,000,000 to 500,000,000ec for popular/mechanically effective ones. Down to around 200,000,000ec after they've aged in a while (as in multiple years later). If the prize box adapts to the faction of the character opening it the price will stay absolutely maxed as it's also granting the coolest & most effective Klingon and Romulan themed ships ever. Or the price box will be determined by the faction of the character using the key - which still splits the audience.
The real variable is 'how good are the rest of the contents of the prize list?'. If the weapon is good or there's the next utterly broken gene sequencer ala 'Inspirational Leader', then people will be opening tons of them and there will be extra special requisition packs to go around. If the other contents are junk.... ooof... The Exchange market will be bleeding from the eyeballs. Since I assume the new weapon will be phaser-based and there's a LOT of players who insist on phaser for their ships, expect a feeding frenzy.
Fact remains no matter how many people say "if it's not in the zeni store for $30 I ain't buying one" Cryptic is gonna make MASSIVE amounts of money. There are plenty of people who will force one out by sheer brute force or a least buy a few lottery tickets and hope.
None of the above.
Because the AR Connie is not a counterpart to the TOS Connie, it is an alternate to it. They are both technically from the 23rd century after all.
The in-game AR Connie is also almost twice as big as the TOS one, too. At least the 26th century Starfleet ships seem to be the same size as their 23rd century ancestors, thus making any "kitbashing" in the tailor plausible (if somewhat.... obtuse looking in practice, I imagine).
At most, all you can hope for is a skin for the AR Connie that matches the color scheme of the TOS one. But as for using the same model, or parts? Highly doubtful.
(also, the official name for the Alternate Reality is apparently "Kelvin Timeline", according to a tweet Al Rivera made.)
Right you are, forgot about that.. thanks.
As mentioned before, the drop rate will have a lot to do with it. This ship is going to be in high demand though, even with a fairly generous drop rate, it's going to be expensive.
Doesn't matter much to me, I'm happy with the ships I have now. I might spend a few dollars trying to get one to sell, I could always use the Lobi.
Lock box. Because Cryptic raking in piles of dough does more for my prospects of long term enjoyment of Star Trek Online than me getting a discount this month. Do I want a Narada-replica? Absolutely. But if I'm honest with myself, I want it a lot more than $30 (obviously, since I'm gonna buy the Eaglemoss one roughly the second it becomes available). Cryptic only gets to sell these assets one way, and overall I'd prefer it be the way that will make the most money. Me getting (or not getting) a ship has less impact than them being able to plus-up their staff.
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Where's "other" category OP?
Should be in the TRASH? *UGLY
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