PvP: Improve or remove?

quantumquantonum · May 2016

PvP: yes or no?

PvP IS COMING BACK!!!

People, we finally did it! Well, we didn't directly make Cryptic re-support PvP.

Information about the first updates Cryptic will make are here:
https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10457082-war-games-scenario:-core-assault
https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10434053-the-player-potential-system

Im sure Cryptic will continue with their updates!!! It will be cool what different gamemodes they will think of.

Hello! This is a poll where you can decide what should be done with PvP. Should it be changed into something better? Should it be removed? Or, should it remain untouched? Say so here! Also, say why or why not.

rules:
-you can explain your answer once
-no complaining about someone else's answer
-no saying why Cryptic will/will not change PvP, we want opinions instead of facts
-no trying to disprove someone or change their opinion. They can change it themselves if they want to.
-no long articles (patrickngo)
-This is a thread to say if you want to keep PvP or not. This is not a place to argue or explain why Cryptic hasn't changed PvP. It is entirely up to Cryptic to decide what happens. This thread is to get Cryptic's attention about PvP and I do not guarantee any changes.

I support PvP because I think it will give STO another fun, extra part of the game for those that have nothing else to do. It will also encourage more players to play the game.

For anything you have about PvP that does not fit under the rules above, you can say your stuff at http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1213524/new-pvp-petition-like-discussion/p1.

I plan on sending this as a petition to Cryptic by 100 or so votes, depending on how popular this might become, so your descision may matter!!!!

I am reaching for at least 100 votes! Please share with your STO friends!

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mustrumridcully0 · May 2016

I would like to see PvP improved!!!

Given the choice, I would want an improvement. Removal is unneeded. Players cannot really accidentally join PvP and be exposed to poor gameplay and poor balance. And even if public queues were never to pop again, people might still invite each other to a friendly PvP match.

duaths1 · May 2016

I would like to see PvP improved!!!

improve?

start with
- add some maps,
- disable all special consoles and effects
- perhaps even all weapon mods

where2r1 · May 2016

I would like to see PvP improved!!!

I do not presume that I know how to fix PvP. I don't know if it is a Dev thing to fix or player community abandonment issue. It is probably a combination of both. But I am sad to think a once thriving part of this game is now dead....even as I watch public queues going through this same thing, now.

In the future: competition for Dev time is not going to be between is PvP or PvE or KDF or Fed or Rom. It is going to be between PC or Console. And as we have all seen: Dev time goes to the bread winners.

If players keep "killing off" and alienating segments of the community on the PC side, I am afraid it will no longer be viable for Cryptic to keep it going. Especially, if the players on the console side can embrace all parts of this game and make it thrive.

questerius · May 2016

I would like to see PvP improved!!!

Might as well put me down for improvement. There are a lot of issues, but removal is in my opinion a bridge too far.

Why not introduce PVP with premade ships without overpowered traits etc.
That way the playing field is level aside from experience and teamwork.

darkknightucf · May 2016

I would like to see PvP improved!!!

Something is happening to PvP... "SOON^TM".

murkalael · May 2016

I would like to see PvP removed!!!

I left other games because I hate pvp and is the same repeated thing over and over in all game. Instead of working on measurement of one's pride why don't get rid of it and add a faction combat? Something like a weekly match between fleets, if my fleet wins the ammount of dilithium on fleet mine double until next match, or price of fleet gear drops by half.

lumpkin1 · May 2016

I would like to see PvP improved!!!

I left _______ game because I hated pve. Because I don't like it, I feel the devs should remove pve...

orondis · May 2016

I would like to see PvP improved!!!

Hell yes I want to see it improved!

Back when I started playing this game very soon after it's a initial release, I jumped right into PvP. That was the first time I PvP'd ever outside of UT Lan games.

It was tremendously fun and I actually leveled my first toon (and a couple of alts) solely on PvP. By the time I was max level I had only done a few story missions. The queues were full at every rank and matches popped one after the other.

evilmark444 · May 2016

I would like to see PvP removed!!!

I hate PvP in all MMOs, as I can't stand the gameplay involved in MMO style PvP, and it almost always (with the notable exception of STO) seems to lead to needless nerfing of things that are perfectly fine in PvE, for the sake of pacifying the PvP crowd. Words cannot describe how happy I would be if PvP was suddenly removed from ALL MMOs. Please scrap it.

When I'm ever in the mood for PvP gaming, I play CoD.

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trillbuffet · May 2016

I have stated this many times though this game is based on the need for Trek content where there it is in high demand and very low on supply. This attracts people to a mmo that are not gamers and trying to play pvp content when you are merely just trying to get your fix of Star Trek against people who are what one guy long ago called it "pvp scientists lol". It doesn't provide enjoyable gameplay for the majority of the players so of course its not going to get development time but you can still play it for what it is in its form. Is just they won't remove it but they won't bother with it because it simply does not provide the same profit as the few types of pve that revolve around lockboxes and reps.

alcyoneserene · May 2016

I would like to see PvP improved!!!

darkknightucf wrote: »

Something is happening to PvP... "SOON^TM".

Reference or direct quote or it didn't happen.

The perpetually broken & pay2win & near-zero content state of PvP in STO is not the only problem with this game, PvE since DR has also been way off-balance. The whole of STO needs a fix and balance pass really.

rmy1081 · May 2016

I would like to see PvP improved!!!

alcyoneserene wrote: »

darkknightucf wrote: »

Something is happening to PvP... "SOON^TM".

Reference or direct quote or it didn't happen.

The perpetually broken & pay2win & near-zero content state of PvP in STO is not the only problem with this game, PvE since DR has also been way off-balance. The whole of STO needs a fix and balance pass really.

It happened on The SHOW's last podcast. It's 3 hours long but totally worth it. Maria Rosseau gave a lot of interesting info on STO. Also, before you jump for joy about attention to PvP, Maria said they're just talking about it and she also said they have their schedule full until 2018. I believe even if they do finally give PvP some attention, it's going to be a while.

One more thing: SOON (TM) is a standard MMO code for it may be a while, which is what darkknightucf was getting at.

http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline/#/discussion/1215660/the-show-interviews-sto-producer-maria-rosseau-z-rex

jtoon74 · May 2016

I would like to see PvP improved!!!

I'm not a Pvper myself but I understand how important it is for a lot of players, improving pvp can only help and potentially help increase the player base.

centaurianalpha · May 2016

I would like to see PvP improved!!!

Not that I've done much PvP (only by accident when I was new to the server), but it seems a good plaec to go get some additional variety once the end-game has been reached and mostly explored. It seems a good way to determine whether all that building on Holodeck was really effective, or just enough to melt NPC's. In my own case, there's a lot more game to explore & comprehend before I will likely stand much of a chance in the arena!

yoda2005 · May 2016

I would like to see PvP improved!!!

PvP is a part of the game such as PvE is. Let us have our fun with PvPing, like PvE'ers have with improving their DPS.

casidien · May 2016

I would like to see PvP improved!!!

centaurianalpha wrote: »

Not that I've done much PvP (only by accident when I was new to the server), but it seems a good plaec to go get some additional variety once the end-game has been reached and mostly explored. It seems a good way to determine whether all that building on Holodeck was really effective, or just enough to melt NPC's. In my own case, there's a lot more game to explore & comprehend before I will likely stand much of a chance in the arena!

I agree with centaurianalpha.

yoda2005 wrote: »

PvP is a part of the game such as PvE is. Let us have our fun with PvPing, like PvE'ers have with improving their DPS.

What Yoda2005 said!

delta · May 2016

I would like to see PvP improved!!!

Improve pvp, it's as part of the game as pve. Saying pvp nerfs pve is short sighted. As a MMO player who avidly gets into both pve and pvp I could shut down the 'but pvp nerfs pve' nonsense. If you want to keep both 'sides' happy think about this... Tweak the system to disable or have different versions of a trait/skill/power that switches when a player character enters certain scenarios (aka pve to pvp and vice versa). I know it's possible because there are already a few specialization traits/skills that function differently in different play (pve or pvp) scenarios. A good example is the tooltip for space flanking in the intelligence specialization.

scarling · May 2016

I would like to see PvP improved!!!

Expand pvp with meaningful events and Fleet v Fleet. Allow the carebears to opt out of pvp.

afree100 · May 2016

I would like to see PvP improved!!!

There are quite a few fleets that do causal PvP. It definitely shouldn't be removed. And while some PvPers are well umm ... . Not all are!

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wast33 · May 2016

I would like to see PvP improved!!!

old question, old answer, old perspective.... nothings gonna happen and those carebears waste a lot of calories for nothing lol ^^...

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voporak · May 2016

I would like to see PvP improved!!!

Cryptic does not have any desire to improve PvP - that is an indisputable fact at this moment. However, since you are asking for opinions based upon the assumption that they change their mind, which is the intention of this poll, then I shall respond based upon that assumption.

I was originally going to vote for the third option ('Leave it alone') because it seems like every time Cryptic goes near PvP, it doesn't end well (fact: combining queues noticeably reduced activity). When they try to fix something, it somehow gets worse (see: Ker'rat "fix" in 2013 that removed the Red Fed bug and spawnballs, which PvP players actually loved). To leave PvP alone entirely, to somehow freeze it the way it is now and separate it from the rest of the game, would at least prevent it getting worse for those who still play it.

But, assuming there is the will do so, improve PvP. People enjoy it. It can be better, and has in the past. It's that simple. I honestly don't have anything more to say on 'Why should it be improved?' than 'Because it is a part of the game people enjoy'. PvP in STO is fundamentally very good in the underlying mechanics, but it lacks proper attention.

My suggestion: Allow players to selectively disable/disallow any mechanic/item in private matches. Reputation bonuses, traits, abilities, rep gear, Romulans, T6 ships, etc. I created the Vanilla PvP ruleset like this, and people enjoyed it. More generally, VPvP proved that this system works, and that was based solely on following an honor code.

PvP can work and it has been shown to work well. I only ask for this addition, and then the devs can leave PvP alone forever. Please Cryptic, please work with us. We want to help you.

mikefl · May 2016

I would like to see PvP improved!!!

I would never ask for content to be removed from a game just because I personally don't like it. This a multiplayer environment with many different tastes and anything that brings in more variety and more players is all the more welcome. This game has never required you to play any specific content to level or enjoy the game.

I vote to improve it since it will bring back some players who left for lack of it. It also gives purpose for all this upgrading of gear and chasing the next hot item they develop. As it stands now I really don't play regularly since there is no real reason to get the new shiny stuff to be competitive. At this point I just log in for the new episodes and grind events for the unique ship and then I'm done until the next time. I don't even play the story episodes multiple times for the gear because there isn't a need for it. I would definitely play more if this game were remotely challenging and required me to work to be competitive with others.

I would like to see a PvP rep and unique PvP items with new maps based off of some existing stuff like battlezones, etc. Those who don't like PvP don't have to play the PvP content just like I don't play the PvE content because I don't care for its simplicity and repetitiveness.

Maybe with the game going to console it might be a possibility since many console games include a PvP element.

rezking · May 2016

I would like to see PvP improved!!!

Even though I believe PvP is dead and it should be removed, I voted to improve it.
Why, you ask?
Because there is one option left, unless you want to start messing with the Fed's shiny consoles and traits...and the fallout for doing so.

A 3rd FULL FACTION.
Not the neo-Faction thing the Roms got, that was a horrible decision btw.

I recommend the Borg for numerous practical reasons.
Mainly, they are already part of the game so integration would be less of a pain (Borg character creator for example).
Their leveling ships can be modified versions of existing ships, even CStore ships.
Existing shiny consoles and traits can be modified to be distinct from their original, as well (Plasmonic Leech only drains weapon power and boosts same for user for example).

Regardless, the foundation for a new age of PvP is there...and it is Borg.
Otherwise, PvP can be removed for all I care.

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