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peterconnorfirst
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Hello fellow players, hi Devs.
Ever since the 11.5 update with the introduction of the new skill tree and another secondary specialization the power related lag in this game seems to be back with a vengeance. My friends and I consider it even worse than it was 1-1,5 years ago. Misfiring gravity wells, full CD on Evasive Maneuvers upon activation with our starships remaining steady and entire map freezes when someone engages Focused Frenzy. The latter we can basically coordinate over team speak and it takes multiple seconds to resolve.
At the moment some of the engaging maps like Hive Onslaught, Infected Space and Crystalline Catastrophe are as close to unplayable as it gets the moment multiple maxed out players meet on the same instance and start using their powers.
Are the Devs aware of the situation and have plans to clear it up? Is it best to regularly check, reddit, twitter, facebook and the daily television news or could we please get info about it here?
What about the rest of the community? How has your STO experience been the past two weeks the moment you team for some intense PvE action?
Trying to get more details on this (and for anyone who is NOT experiencing any bad game performance, please respond as well):
What do you typically do in game?
Do you run any Ground STF's with a team?
Do you run any Space STF's with a team?
Do you play any missions with a team?
Do you join any Red Alerts where you participate with others?
Do you PvP? If so, where/which map?
Please discuss and thanks for any participation in advance.
Pete Connor
Ever since the 11.5 update with the introduction of the new skill tree and another secondary specialization the power related lag in this game seems to be back with a vengeance. My friends and I consider it even worse than it was 1-1,5 years ago. Misfiring gravity wells, full CD on Evasive Maneuvers upon activation with our starships remaining steady and entire map freezes when someone engages Focused Frenzy. The latter we can basically coordinate over team speak and it takes multiple seconds to resolve.
At the moment some of the engaging maps like Hive Onslaught, Infected Space and Crystalline Catastrophe are as close to unplayable as it gets the moment multiple maxed out players meet on the same instance and start using their powers.
Are the Devs aware of the situation and have plans to clear it up? Is it best to regularly check, reddit, twitter, facebook and the daily television news or could we please get info about it here?
What about the rest of the community? How has your STO experience been the past two weeks the moment you team for some intense PvE action?
Trying to get more details on this (and for anyone who is NOT experiencing any bad game performance, please respond as well):
What do you typically do in game?
Do you run any Ground STF's with a team?
Do you run any Space STF's with a team?
Do you play any missions with a team?
Do you join any Red Alerts where you participate with others?
Do you PvP? If so, where/which map?
Please discuss and thanks for any participation in advance.
Pete Connor
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While most parts of the game run rather smooth (social zones, stories), the trouble really only starts when you are in a PvE instance with likeminded players that make the best use of the available skill powers. The server seems to have a hard time handling that. I was the same a year ago when new, especially team interacting, abilities kept on being introduced.
What makes me worried is that with so few peeps left in game that tend to engaging team PvE this could be handled by cryptic like a niche problem (so not at all).
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Ouch!
I never thought about that console in particular but now that you mention it… those 2 of mine 9 toons that make use of it the most seem to experience lag the most.
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Also had some issues where when starting a run server all powers are on max cool down before I've even fired them, it's almost like the game thinks they've been used when they've not (things like resonance beam, attack patterns).
The speed of some runs these days means those wasted seconds trying to get powers to activate can really TRIBBLE up your run.
Not really noticed any major lag with the gameplay apart from the UI not responding too well.
I'm guessing the sheer number of passive and clicks powers going on at the same time is starting to get heavy on the game performance.
I concur. This is reminiscent of the Kemocite lag we used to get when that ability was still double-proc'ing. It's like the game can't cope with all the haste sources and the calculations it needs to do per shot fired.
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Thanks for the comment guys.
On one of my more sci heavy builds I think I noticed it as well. Perhaps it’s the new control amplification. It has similar effects like AP beta has when distributed by fire at will. This time we just distribute it each time we use our science powers. Depending where we use them we easily cover the same number of targets simultaneously, perhaps even many more in CCA for example. Things just keep on adding up there by 10 players…
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The game runs totally smooth, no skipping.. no rubber banding.. none of the typical things you see with lag. However, there are times when I click a power 2, 3, or even 4 times and it just won't fire. The game just doesn't register me clicking it and it's annoying as hell. Especially if you're in a fragile escort, you're at 12% hull, taking heavy fire and you want to click Go Down Fighting and pop your Aux2Sif/Engineering Team, etc and the power just won't activate.
This problem existed heavily right after Delta Rising and was eventually fixed. It does seem that 1l.5 has brought it back. I don't have it happen as bad as I did right after DR, but it's still an obvious and annoying problem.
Skills revamp might have seemed like a good way to attract new players or reduce the intelligence needed to pick a functional "tree" but it's kind of saying at this point: look!! New shiny features! Aren't they great! But then you realize they don't work and you can't enjoy them.
On a side note I've noticed I'm gambling on lock boxes more than usual. Nothing like going to the casino when you e nothing else to do haha. Might have been the plan all along, Idk.
It kind of hurts Cryptic's new skill tree launch. They want us to experiment with different things, but people who have invested into the tac ultimate can't use it. We could respec, but I am saving my free one until they swing the nerf bat on currently over-performing abilities.
For me it is Kerbal Space Program and forum pvp. I would like to play, the current lag won't let me.
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This has barely anything to do with Computing Power or overly Complex Simulation, if you havent noticed it yet, STO isnt exactly a Simulator, there are no 200 cannon bolts simulated and computed or anything of that sort.
Its simply optimization and bugs causing this.
Happened before, got fixed, now it happens again and hopefully will get fixed too.
There certainly are a vast number of cannon bolts simulated and computed. When someone hits CRF or CSV and activates five dual cannons and three turrets, each of those projectiles has a chance to proc any of several abilities that the player may have, each one of which must be rolled on. I don't recall seeing such displays of weaponry on the shows, even during the Dominion War, but that's how STO turned out.
Contrast that with WoW and its clones, where characters have an autoattack plus an ability every second or two. STO's ground combat is like that, but ground combat is the red-headed stepchild in this game because you can't fly a lockbox on ground missions. What's the last time you lagged out due to ability overload on a ground mission?
Doesn't matter if I am on the planet surface, or in the command building, it just lags really bad.
The only time it stops is when I go down to the ship area or beam up to space..
Same here, but that's due to your computer having trouble rendering complex graphics rather than to delays in communication between your computer and the server.
New Romulus and Risa have lots of shadows. If you turn shadows off entirely like I did, you'll eliminate a major performance bottleneck.
Hmm, I will have to check that out, as I have no problems in other zones..
Thanks for the tip!
What exploits?
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This can be done on lower performance toons in pug queues. Once you start using a lot of powers in a more logical combinations, things grind to a stand still and the entire instance gets to do the rubber band dance. This problem is multiplied when there is more than one higher dps person in a run.
Completely locked out of the game.
After a couple of dozen PvE over the weekend with pugs, friends, fleet mates and fellow DPSer I made myself a simple lag likeliness quick check. 3 performance players on team seem to be the magic number here. Stay below that and have fun, pick more and break. It’s as simple as that. I also noticed the lag probability a bit higher in EU primetime.
If all the haste abilities that have been pointed out are indeed responsible for this then I’m afraid I have bad news because we have some more lag coming up.
From last tribble patch notes:
It would be dull if my lag-likeliness-quick-check-number would turn out to be 1 after it. I guess we find out next week…
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