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So I want to recreate the USS Vengeance...
nikeix
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Just musing with how to come closest to this beast in STO:
Pretty much the moment I saw it in the movie trailer I was poking my friends, "Hey look, Section 31 built themselves a black helicopter..." and was pleased to see that's exactly how it played out in the movie. I like ship designs that clearly communicate their narrative purpose. I also like that there's no mistaking its Starfleet lineage.
If any of the Intel ships had the classic "swan" layout I could use the Scryer's hollow ring saucer section but that seems to be a no go. Being able to use the Intel Ship Material might have worked out well since that's nicely dark (I expect I'll use the Romulan Rep shields in the cosmetic slot to paint it black if there's no good match among the native Hull Materials). I may still tinker with an Intel kitbash, but I'm mostly resigned to trying to get the side silhouette as close as I can, so I'll be looking at various Federation rigs.
Beyond the perforated saucer it's got a distinctly angular and wide-bellied engineering hull, armored shutters for the deflector, slightly jagged angular pylons with a very small cutout near the base, and blocky, armored nacels with a cross-section that's taller than they are wide. Productions sketches for the vengeance say the forward scoops open up going into warp and what we mostly see in the shots/models are the armored baffles slid forward and together in the better sheltered sub-light position.
Interestingly the primary weapons are clearly cannons rather than beams. The Vengeance also has a pair of mobile drone platforms (visible in their launch housings on either side of the deflector) that fires torpedoes - a big screen example of the torpedo platform consumable
. I may outfit it with a Vaadwaur cluster torpedo to represent the system.
The description of the weapons that drop down from the hull indicates they're turreted, high volume torpedo launchers. That makes me think maybe the wide angle quantum torpedo launcher or possibly the Omega rep torpedo. The torpedo point defense console is probably the best fit in terms of game mechanics, but doesn't equip on any ship even remotely the right shape.
Should be a fun project to see what I can cobble together.
Pretty much the moment I saw it in the movie trailer I was poking my friends, "Hey look, Section 31 built themselves a black helicopter..." and was pleased to see that's exactly how it played out in the movie. I like ship designs that clearly communicate their narrative purpose. I also like that there's no mistaking its Starfleet lineage.
If any of the Intel ships had the classic "swan" layout I could use the Scryer's hollow ring saucer section but that seems to be a no go. Being able to use the Intel Ship Material might have worked out well since that's nicely dark (I expect I'll use the Romulan Rep shields in the cosmetic slot to paint it black if there's no good match among the native Hull Materials). I may still tinker with an Intel kitbash, but I'm mostly resigned to trying to get the side silhouette as close as I can, so I'll be looking at various Federation rigs.
Beyond the perforated saucer it's got a distinctly angular and wide-bellied engineering hull, armored shutters for the deflector, slightly jagged angular pylons with a very small cutout near the base, and blocky, armored nacels with a cross-section that's taller than they are wide. Productions sketches for the vengeance say the forward scoops open up going into warp and what we mostly see in the shots/models are the armored baffles slid forward and together in the better sheltered sub-light position.
Interestingly the primary weapons are clearly cannons rather than beams. The Vengeance also has a pair of mobile drone platforms (visible in their launch housings on either side of the deflector) that fires torpedoes - a big screen example of the torpedo platform consumable
. I may outfit it with a Vaadwaur cluster torpedo to represent the system.The description of the weapons that drop down from the hull indicates they're turreted, high volume torpedo launchers. That makes me think maybe the wide angle quantum torpedo launcher or possibly the Omega rep torpedo. The torpedo point defense console is probably the best fit in terms of game mechanics, but doesn't equip on any ship even remotely the right shape.
Should be a fun project to see what I can cobble together
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You might be able to get a similar build in STO, but it will be completely worthless due to game mechanics
Just take the scimitar according the movie:
52 pulse disruptor cannons;
27 photon torpedo launchers;
Putting some Cannons on that fat behind.. I did that when it came in 2012 to STO, takes weeks for me to turn that baby around to get inside the cannons arc.
The game frowns on me mugging people in sector space. I'm prepared to accept this limitation
People keep telling me you can clear most content with 10k DPS. I think I can squeeze 10k DPS out of whatever I end up with
Yeah. It'll really depend on what I end up using for the underlying ship.
The Endeavour otherwise might also be used as a basis, or at least the Endeavours saucer and perhaps hull.
I think there are no other split saucer ships beyond the Scryer.
Weapon-Wise, I guess it seems like the JJTrek weapons are more cannons than beams. Single Cannons, Turrets or Dual Cannons might look closest to what we see on screen.
The Tier 5 Avenger also has a special torpedo launcher module that drops 2 drones that fly toward your target and shoot on the way there, which also seem inspired by the Vengeance.
Agree, I don't care so much for elite dps, I play because it is fun and often do builds on that same thought instead of how I achive X-dps.
I would say Majestic class or Noble class
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Assault_Cruiser
However, I have no tip on a good skin that will make the hull more darker beside from type 4 (or was it 3?) in customizing the ship.
Perhaps the Jem'hadar set and some Tretryon cannons?
Holy heck! The Avenger's Universal Console: Variable Auto-Targeting Armament is unmistakably the Vengeance's weapon platforms in STO form!!
Ok, this might be a shorter project than I expected
Gallery: http://s883.photobucket.com/user/Mustrum_Ridcully/library/STO Vengeance
Sorry for the superflous lower bottom, but I was too lazy to actually take different versions out of the editor or to edit the screens manually.
I've started tinkering in the ship appearance vendor and found some mixes starting with the t5 Sovereign that were looking fairly promising. Far from perfect, but I could at least occasionally get the warp nacelles above the line of the saucer (with Imperial pylons). I'm prepared to cough up the bucks to get the VATA console, now I'm just trying to figure out if I need any other z-store ships to make this work better.
mustrumridcully0, that last shot looks very promising. The hull/pylons look really good for the silhouette I'm aiming for. That's the Arbiter hull?
So far my best parts 'n paint looks like~
Giving me a pretty good profile silhouette~
I think I'm gonna have to buy the battle cruisers though to actually mount the VATA console. This project is getting pricey
If I can mount the VATA console on an assault cruiser I may just join the "T6 Sovy nao!" camp
Yeah, I was sort of expecting that to bite me in the aft shuttle bay.
The Federation has 5 battlecruisers (I'm taking it in faith you can mount the VATA on a command battlecruier). Can you mix and match anything between the 3 Command Battlecruisers and the Avenger/Arbiter for ship appearance? It looks like there might be some mixes of the Command trio that could give you a nice profile but more parts is more chances to dial it in. All the command ships seem to have a really long tail on the engineering hull that's not ideal.
No.
Before you spend any money/Zen/Dilithium that you might end up regretting:
The console works only on the Avenger and Arbiter. Other ships that might seem like they are BattleCruisers are not included. I think that's the general Tier 5 and Tier 6 console rule - it can only be equipped on the ship they came with, and its refits.
And costume parts are generally only combinable between refits or variants of one ship. The only exception are the Fed Intel ships that can use each other's nacelles despite not being variants of the same ship. And I suppose the Ha'feh/Ha'Nom/Ha'apax series of ships, where the former two are basically parts of each other.
Good timing. Thank you. I was about to go drop $50 on an Avenger and some keys, to get a console that plainly says "Equippable on: Starfleet Battlecruisers" but now I know better. Sigh. It's like words having meaning is just too much trouble for people.
Yeah, I wasn't expecting interplay between the Avenger/Arbiter and the Concorde/Geneva/Presidio, but one of the few z-store ships I do have is the Eclipse Intel Cruiser, so that got my hopes up.
Honestly, it's silly that they called the Command Ships 'Battlecruisers,' when they are clearly just Federation Cruisers. The label of Battle Cruiser on the Command ships really serves no point other then to cause confusion.
And you're right, ship cosmetic parts are also not shared between the Avenger/Arbiter and the Command ships. The only item that can be shared is the Console from the Samsar which is technically part of the Command Cruiser set but can be equipped on any ship.
Personally, I think the Arbiter/Avenger hybrid looks the closest to what you're looking for. It's also by far the cheapest as purchasing the T6 Arbiter automatically grants you access to the T5 costume options. The only thing you wouldn't get would be the console from the T5 ship which isn't worth the additional purchase on it's own. I think you can get pretty close to what you want with just the one purchase. The purchase of the Arbiter gets you all the costume options and also happens to be the best fed ship in the game. It's a highly effective ship with a good console and a great trait. Seems to me that's the most efficient way to go.
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The Concorde, Geneva, and Presidio are correctly tagged as "Battlecruisers" because they are cruisers that can mount Dual Cannons. Its the two consoles that should either be re-written correctly or have their flags changed so they do in fact work on "Federation Battlecruisers". Because there are five of them.
I may end up eventually getting an Arbiter for the Ship trait and the option to fly a "5/3 Feddie-Scimitar". The kit bash is an ok stab at the Vengeance. But I'll probably keep studying my options for now because I feel like there's better visual fits out there waiting to be found even if it costs me the perfect fit VATA console.
Not exactly.
They use the 'Battlecruiser' name on The Avenger/Arbiter as well as on the Command Ships (Presidio/Geneva/Concorde.) Those ships have nothing in common but still have the term 'Battlecruiser' stamped arbitrarily on their description. It's a class for the KDF, on the Fed side it's a generic term that they use anytime they think it will help a ship sell. They further complicate it by having consoles like the Avenger/Arbiter that say it can be used on 'Federation Battlecruisers.' Yes, that means ships that are part of the 'T6 Battlecruier' pack, but it's easy to see how players could get confused by this.
The Yamato can load dual cannons.
So can the Eclipse..
So can the Jupiter.
None of them are 'Battlecruisers.'
The Jupiter's not a cruiser at all. Carrier is a distinct class. It has a 3/3 load out, more Sci than Engineering seating and consoles, and has target subsystem commands rather than rather than cruiser commands. Most dedicated (2 hangar) carriers including the Atrox, Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier, Narcine, Obelisk, Recluse, and Vo'Quv can mount dual cannons. The Kar'fi seems to be the only one that doesn't.
Yamato is listed as a "Dreadnought Cruiser." The wiki ship table puts it on a separate line for Dreadnoughts, treating it as neither a battlecruiser nor a cruiser. The cross faction ship table also separates out dreadnoughts from the standard cruiser grouping with dreadnought being a super-type that has both cruiser-like and science-like leanings.
The Eclipse... is a fly in my ointment. Good eye
Anyway, I guess we're getting off topic, have you narrowed your choice of ship down to help get what you want? Personally, I think the Avenger/Arbiter Kitbash looks pretty good.
That VATA console does call to me because it's so spot on, but I gotta say I've found the Avenger's hull one of the ugliest damned things in the game from any race. Ick. Swapping in the arbiter hull does help a LOT. I just wish there were a few more parts in the set. You spend a while looking at a $10,000 museum replica from every angle and you kind of get a feel for the little details that can make or break the effort. Maybe after the movie trilogy is over we'll see some more direct cross-overs into STO.
Just for giggles I also put together an attempt with the Excalibur/Exeter parts. It was pretty promising. I'll screen cap it tomorrow. Who knows? I could end up becoming another of the "free the Excalibur for T6!" rabble-rousers...
"T6 EXCALIBUR TRUE BATTLECRUISER SO I CAN MAKE THE VENGEANCE!"
...Oh, yeah, there's a thread designed to TRIBBLE off almost everybody
Thanks
Any good screen caps? I suspect the Command Battlecruiser rig can be used to make something nice looking
I was holding off on doing more experiments until I got the Romulan Shields but that turned out to be a lot greener than I expected. Apparently the effect it has on the Tarantula that made me think it might be useful is different/more elaborate than it applies to most hulls.
if you are looking to create the exact replica, you will want to hold off because in effect you would be copying a ship design you have no right to.
with that stated, this thread is pointless.
one thing is for sure, i am so glad there is no jjcrapverse on trek online!!!
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.