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Roms and KDF don't matter??? Cryptic PR approach should be rethought
wardcalis
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Red Alert, Captains! We’re pleased to announce Season 11.5 our mid-season update will launch on April 12, 2016. The latest update begins with a brand-new featured episode titled “Temporal Front,” where players must prevent Na’Kuhl Temporal Agents from destroying the Federation. Season 11.5 also brings a complete overhaul to the Skill System, plus other new gameplay updates including the Strategist Secondary Specialization, Romulan Admiralty Campaign and Na’Kuhl Red Alerts.
This reads that only the federation is in danger and that only the federation matters. It would be ideal for both Romulans and for the KDF if the federation was actually destroyed and never existed. yes the RSE and the KSE would be at war but they would be far better off and would control much more of the alpha and beta quadrants. Feds have done some good things for them but overall has been a detrimental force to their advancement and prosperity.
Honestly even fed-aligned Roms would be better off, and the kdf would be wayyyyy better off without the existence of the federation. So I ask you what incentive is there for KDF or any Rom to save the federation? Neither faction would be properly motivated by the concept that "it's the right thing to do" not just by nature but because it's the wrong thing to do for their people. We have so far seen absolutely nothing that incentivises either faction to help the federation and not the federation's enemies.
This is a pivotal flaw in Cryptics STO story so far.
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The way Cryptic nearly always says things like the above quote. The game might as well be renamed to Federation Online. Yes I understand that the federation is the dominant faction and honestly the reason for that is poor decision making on Cryptic's part by frequently developing content for Federation exclusively. Everything should always be done to equally balance the faction, from ship availability to proper story content.
It is important the information given to the community such as the above quoted text is delivered without bias towards any faction. As it reads now it is an insult to anyone who doesn't play federation, as is all content released for feds that doesn't have a counterpart in the other factions. It reads like "hey the feds are getting more stuff to do that is important and relative to their story, and you can help them out if you want but; screwe you we don't have the time, resources or interest in doing anything for you that we can't copy and paste from fed. " that is exactly how it feels when everything like the quoted above text, to a special carrier made just for feds (When Roms don't have a single carrier, not even a t5 carrier) to, " were ending the war with the klingons so that we don't have to make them special content" are said.
Cryptic may as well delete Romulan and KDF factions from the game. You'd probably be able to make more people happy in the long run when you can use those races as NPCs and have more story flexability. They'd also be able to put more time and resources into feds, creating richer content that is better associated with the faction and end game content such as Raids or PVP more frequently and better balanced.
Whether they become balanced or they remove the other factions something has to happen. This half-assing 2/3 of you factions in favor of the 1 faction is frustrating to the core. many people don't play just because of this. Many play as fed because it's the only faction that gets the "goodies" even when they don't want to. I totally understand people loving the canon franchise and all but when you get down to brass taxes the people who are willing to pay money, serious money to play (i'm speaking of hundreds of dollars a year) the game; these people are not happy, they are not satisfied with the game. Things like item balance, lack of pvp, lack of true end game content, MASSIVE lack of faction balance, these things drive the more dedicated and hard core people away from the game. These are the people that would be far willing to pay way more than hundreds of FTP players of combined. If these problems were corrected these plays might return; but, with things like the above quoted text, it only seems to be getting worse.
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And I don't want my Romulans or KDF characters to fly off to go save the UFP from its own stupidity! I sure as hell don't want to help them absorb everything into itself or this Galactic Union bull.
I get they dont have the vast resources to really develop faction specific content for 2.5 factions(Actually I call BS on that but lets run with it for now), but with a title like "New Dawn" and all the hype about "going back to being explorers" and "rebuilding" did we really need to rush balls to the wall into another major war? We have the mirror stuff. Couldn't we have redone First City on Qo'nos? It got frakked up pretty good during the war. Couldn't we have seen some progress in construction on Mol'Rihan? It's certainly been long enough and again, there was some major TRIBBLE there at the onset of the war. How about travelling to a couple worlds, seeing the devastation, and helping people to rebuild those worlds? There was a whole season worth of cross-faction content to be had here!
But noooo, OFF TO THE NEXT BIG BAD!
They're talking about the future Federation that includes Romulans and Klingons. The one with the Temporal Accords. The Temporal Accords that stop the Na’Kuhl Temporal Agents from the future from changing their past.
No snubbing here, But rage on anyways . . . .
Yeah, a Fed telling us that we must save the Feds because of something in the future... his pizza business?
There is a food shortage on New Romulus, we have a handful of ships left, and huge craters everywhere from the invasion by the Iconians. Save yourself Feddies, I've got work to do here....
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also I have no interest in a T6 Connie, or running about Kirks' Enterprise with a bunch of "don't look much like their character" npcs that don't even talk. At least hire a voice actor to do the impressions...
What's your boggle? Didn't you pay attention while playing Tide and Tide? Your Romulan descendants are all Feddie Bears. And in the future all restaurants are Taco Bell.
Has to be off to the bigger bads...or else there wouldn't be need for powercreep and for them to make new ships to sell
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
And then the safest bet is to talk about the Federation. Almost everyone will probably know about the Federation. And even if they don't, at least you're apparently defending something, and Federation sounds nicer than Empire (but about as good as Republic, but people familiar with Trek in general will not necessarily know about the Romulan Republic, since that's not part of the Trek canon.)
What you're asking seems not feasible. We don't get that much content. Perhaps it's simply not possible to create content for all three factions, not without reducing the amount of content for the most popular faction *.
It's also not true that saving the Federation is not in the interest of the Empire and the Republic. Kagran admitted as much during the Iconian war: Qo'nos has little chance of surviving without the Federation helping them defend the status quo. Even if this weren't true, we're friends now, and allies.
When they killed off Kahless, his death was symbolic. The old ways of the Empire of waging war with everyone and conquering other species are no longer viable. Same with the Romulan Star Empire. It was dying, it had no future. The Federation does have a future because it's built on entirely different values. You've got to remember that, beside a game, collection of series and books, Star Trek is also a form of art and art always has a meaning. In this case, the representation of how its creator would've wanted the world to be: united, not divided while fighting some pointless wars amongst each other.
This unification of factions is not something new; even back when TNG was made the idea was launched to have the Empire as part of the Federation. Shouting at Cryptic for continuing what has been established in canon and what has been an ongoing development througout the series is slightly arrogant. If you want to change the entire basis of the IP and have an universe where everyone remains fractioned, you'd better write your own sci-fi series with its own original universe.
* And yes, this is somewhat circular logic, but at the same time, many people play the Federation because it's easier to identify with, given its prominence in the shows and their presentation as the good guys and for other reasons given above.
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Oh... And the fact that they are all allies, and allies usually protect each other. Tell me, would you make an alliance with another power and immediately sit there and let them die? No. You usually protect or help them. (Because. You know. Thats what an alliance is.)
And in what way are the Romulans and Klingons better off without the Federation? The Federation provides most of the aid given to the Romulans after Hobus (And the RSE doesn't exist after it fell apart with the destruction of Romulus and Remus, so wouldn't you seek help from the largest power in the quadrant?). And the Klingons, well, their issues root from the political structure of the Empire. The war centered political system of the Klingon Empire was doomed the second it came to be, it has nothing to do with the Federation. Even in DS9 we were seeing the Empire fracture and fall, from issues they created.
People also seem to forget that Star Trek is focused around the Federation, not the Klingons nor the Romulans. And last year's Anniversary statistics show that ~70% of total characters made are Federation (With Klinks and Roms splitting the remaining). Wouldn't you expect them to focus on the major faction.
Your entire argument is pretty much *I'm going to claim a whole bunch of TRIBBLE while ignoring the facts to make it seem better*. Please come back when you actually have a proper argument.
Lets see... I have red ones and blue... oh here is a green one. Just name it, I should something here to fix what ails you....
We don't get hardly any missions that is flavor of KDF or Romulan. To me this is where STO really fails at. Good stories for the other factions.
Granted the KDF and Romulan wasn't the main focus on Star Trek, but even they had shows for them. So they can easily add one to each arc with no problems.
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Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
People keep marching that statistic out without thinking it through.... for a long while you HAD to make and level a Federation character before you could make your first KDF character.... gee I wonder why the feds have so many more characters.... Second being the federation is so familiar most people probably do start there... How many of those fed characters are active? How many were deleted? How many were from the scores of people that never clear the tutorial? How many are feddie bear gold spammers?
Lots of factors have bloated the fed stats. Now I do not disagree that it is likely more people play Federation than KDF or RR but I sincerely doubt the margin is as wide as Cryptic wants us to believe(or they want to tell themselves)
Taco bells with romulan ale on the side or no deal.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
I'd rather have them put out enough content for the main faction in the game, than creating some content for each faction which will only result in less content for that faction that is played by far more players.
I don't really get these 'not enough attention for the KDF and RR' arguments anyway. As if ship blogs or trailers really matter that much, compared to actual in-game content. The moment queued content only becomes available to Federation players, I'd say those who are complaining have a point.
Queued missions and battlezones represent 99% of the end-game content. These are not written from a purely Federation perspective, nor are most of the episodes. They deal with threats that are of concern to all factions, not just the Federation. Heck, the fact that we seem to go from one war to the other and through episodes where the only solution is to shoot and kill everything and everyone in our path make me wonder where people got the idea that the game is centred around the Federation or its mindset? The Federation from the series I watched never solely shot its way through problems.
I don't think it's quite as wide either, but it's probably close. Have you noticed the lack of Klingon chars? You almost NEVER see more than 1 or 2 Klingons in zones. Yeah, you'll see a few Roms in their scimitars. But there is an overwhelming amount of Federation chars vs Romulan and Klingon. What they tell us is very much likely.
This. Because as also Sci-Fi tells us, Galaxies united under one polity, have very few problems.
Tal'Shiar/Reman Resistance/Romulan Nemesis uniform, pls.
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I love the Romulans. Their story, their ships, their weapons, clothes, planet, everything. BUT at some point around level 10 I must join the Federation. So, I'm A Fed (+1 to the Fed stats). Infact, all my Romulans are adding to the Fed stats. Then we get "no point releasing Romulan ships, everyone plays Fed.." gah
I think the stats are showing Federation (+RomFed), and KDF (+RomKDF). I'd like the stats to show, simply, Federation, KDF, Romulan. How many active accounts running each type.
No, it was 30% total for KDF + Rom-Fed + Rom-KDF. Cryptic knows exactly how many Rom-x characters exist.
The fact is, most people come to STO to play a feddie first, and be like the hero captains of all of the Star Trek shows and movies. Then some of them create a KDF or Rom-x alternate. Wanting it to be different does not change facts.
I'm sure the Dominion would have loved that. The Borg, too.
I guess "RSE" is the Dominion and "KSE" is the Borg? (By the way, there is no "Klingon Star Empire"; it's just the Klingon Empire.)
Except every time the Romulans or Klingons need help, the Federation runs to rescue them, because Feddie Bears.
Isn't the Federation helping to rebuild the Romulan people? Didn't Spock have some kind of role there? And what about the Remans?
The KDF don't need any help with anything that involves fleets of warships... unless their fleets aren't big enough, in which case they need the Federation's help (see: Borg and Dominion).
Survival.
Except, of course, that powerful enemies routinely pop up, requiring the Federation's help. Do you think the Klingons and Romulans would be helping each other defeat those powerful enemies if the Federation were out of the picture? They'd have killed each other off long ago.
It's not a flaw in Cryptic's STO story. Powerful enemies whose defeat requires cooperation is a major theme throughout the show, particularly DS9 with the Dominion.
No, the reason for that is that Star Trek is based on the Federation. Can you name a series or feature film told from the perspective of a non-Federation crew? I can't. I guess Riker participated in that exchange program for a bit, serving on a Klingon ship, and Neelix lived on Voyager but wasn't part of the Federation. Romulans are even less central.
No, it's not really important. Star Trek follows the Federation, based on Federation ideals. If STO followed the canonical focus on the Federation, there would be no other factions. At most, you might have a mission or two where you wear a costume to impersonate a Klingon or Romulan, kind of like that time-travel episode where you disguise your ship to look like a D7.
Throwing your toy out of the crib.
It's more like 95%-assing. There are very few things in this game anymore that only faction can access (I'm sure you've seen people complaining about homogenization).
(citation needed)
Tell me, why shouldn't it be about the canon franchise? Shouldn't the Star Trek game be appropriate for people who follow the Star Trek shows and movies? People who play non-Fed characters are incredibly lucky that so much effort goes into it. Sure, there are omissions and errors (like science vessels, the "go to ESD" button that wasn't tested with Klingon characters, etc.), but it's a drop from the bucket (if you'll pardon the turn of phrase), with the compensation of much easier dilithium via marauding.
Oh, and it's "brass tacks."
"The important people are the ones who agree with me, and the people who agree with me are important!" Okay then.
Do they? You have access to STO's metrics? Neat.
"We are the ones who count! We pay the bills!" Ha ha.
First, there is no 'KSE' its just 'KE'. And second, you should've paid more attention to the DS9 storyline and the post war blogs. The Klingon Empire is quickly fracturing, there probably won't be a Klingon Empire by the 26th century, once the Empire is gone, Klingons will probably flock to join the Federation. Keep in mind the Klingon storyline, many Klingons jumped to become agressive when an alien race tried to invade their homeworld. In the TNG era, it was explained that most Klingons didn't hold the agressive, super warlike beliefs as the military, and that most were normal people.
The Romulans you are describing are traits that belong to the old RSE government and the Tal Shiar. The RR is made up of Romulan Citizens who strive towards peace and diplomacy to rebuild their society and species. You should update yourself on the Romulans, the RSE doesn't exist anymore and the RR beliefs line up with the Federation. Why wouldn't they join them?
And yes, a lot of people did stop playing KDF and RR, but not many played them in the first place.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Thats the odd part... no I dont see a lot of klingons... but I see frikkin gorn everywhere... even more than orion bridge bunnies almost... almost