PvP is very unlikely to come back in any great way. Geko would see it as a step backward.
He still refuses to acknowledge that he kicked out a community, the revenue they brought and the fact that it had some of the most committed players this game has ever seen.
What a surprise they have now that after all the sparks, idiocy and bs arguments made by Devs and PvErs alike, PvErs now want balance and various equipment and powers beaten with the nerf bat.
I wonder if they saw that coming.
I personally don't see red&blue teams bringing back PvP. Not while any measurable balance has been hurled out of the window.
I won't be returning unless there is some dedication given to PvP. The long awaited revamp and PvP season.
"Ker'rat? You mean that map's still around? Thought we took it out with DR! Better post a change request before anyone notices..." - Cryptic software "engineer"
I need to get to him. I can't just leave him out there alone. - Sometimes you've got to makes sacrifices, Lara. You can't save everyone. - I know about sacrifices. - No, you know about loss. Sacrifice is a choice you make. Loss is a choice made for you. - I can't choose to let him die, Roth.
Well since when does the old bo/dhc combo actually work anymore? And as we all know torp builds don't even have to factor in fbp'ers. It's simple pvpers either grow some balls and revive full on space vpvp or continue to not play or cry about the pvp in this game. Lmk. I will make a vpvp compliant toon again.
Hi there xd
Since you lied to us about S10 will be PVP revamp again (dont worry we arent that stupid) can you follow storyline at least? Can you make Red vs Blue teams in Kerrat, instead FED vs KDF? arent we allies now? KDF is heavily outnumbered by FED (thats your fault too since you dont give a **** about KDF)
So we beg you to do this minor change in our beloved Battlezone. we dont need another one, we dont need pvp season, we dont need 100 nerfs which makes PVE playerbase mad. Just a simple change.. and pls dont tell me you cant do that, because "switching teams" were exist 2y ago.
cheers. :P
I've never heard anything that ever said S10 would be a PvP revamp. Devs have said that PvP is something that they want to make better and do intend to someday make better; but for now it is not on their priority list.
im so sick of that TRIBBLE not on the list well wtf devs its been 6 F###### years how far down the list does it have to be??? seriously FU and your total FU attitude toward pvp and the pvpers ....let there be no mistake .........FU
Easier said then done read a bufflist that's a mile long with half it it not even being boff powers anymore. Nevermind the fact that I don't even know where half the TRIBBLE comes from nowadays.
null Take it from someone that crossed over to kdf after leveling fed to lv6 a few days after launch fighting other kdf to lv40 because feds didnt q for pvp till they where max level cloaking ships have never been an issue for anyone that had a handel on the pvp aspect of the game.
I'd still like to be able to switch zones when I'm in a team. I shouldn't have to warp in and out dozens upon dozens of times to finally be in the same zone as my team mates
KDF is better in average because they have less naps (there are only good players on KDF, let it be Sherlock, Markus, Bauklotz...) But FED wins. FED has Rayy.
Kerrat should have a higher maximum of players in zones. Or team, warpout and warpin, then you should be in an instance with your teammates.
I think now that the KDF and the Federation are allies, PVP should be taken off anyway, or remain only for "wargame fun" status. And I think by now it should also be allowed to have a cross-faction team for normal episodes as well, at least after the Romulan story arc.
Ker'rat should be a pure PVE map, so people would actually do the mission that is displayed in the corner of the map. That way it would be a lot easier to get the 1'440 Dilithium and 50 (105) fleet marks once the "Into the Fray" or "To the Front Lines" daily is active. I still haven't completed the 70/70 accolade for that task, because so many times I am alone doing the mission and being shot at all the time. That takes the fun away and I will drop the daily.
PS: I have submitted a bug report in our special "Starfleet Operations Center" forum in here, about the loot drop issue from Borg critters in the Ker'rat map.
"Everything about the Jham'Hadar is lethal!" - Eris
Original Join Date: January 30th, 2010
I have to agree with patrickngo- I wish they would just quit the shenanigans and say that they have no desire to develop PvP. STO needs to stop pretending like it's an all-encompassing MMO with PvP, UGC, or literally anything besides amusement park style shoot-em-ups.
As far as I can tell, they only keep us and the foundry around as a political measure so that the EP of the week can say that STO has these.
@yoda2005 Bauklotz is not a good PvPer, he has more cheese than a Frenchman working in a cheese factory! No one that uses cheese and broken abilities can be called a "good" PvPer.
And BFAW on occasion in a pilot ship, zhal trait, immunities with doffed RSP, etc... That is not the hallmark of a good player, I don't use cheese and he has a hard time bringing my t5u defiant down on his own. He sucks without cheese, immunities and zhal.
@eristhevorta, do you have something useful to say?
PvP is still part of the game and just because you want it to be removed, it wont happen.
We all have wishes and we all are allowed to voice them. I am quite sure PVP is not gunna be removed entirely, so you won't have to worry too much about it.
"Everything about the Jham'Hadar is lethal!" - Eris
Original Join Date: January 30th, 2010
Easier said then done read a bufflist that's a mile long with half it it not even being boff powers anymore. Nevermind the fact that I don't even know where half the TRIBBLE comes from nowadays.
Oh man, so this. Of course pretty easy to spot fbp.
Who is Klinger? How can I become his acolyte and help usher in the KDF apocalypse of the 32nd century? At first, I didn't believe his stories about defeating Death in hand to hand combat. But the temporal jelly is so strong with this warrior that I have decided to forsake the scumminess of my federation character and play the game on elite mode, as a warrior of the empire.
should i use f words here to get this thread on admin/dev radar?
Not quite. We have agreed upon an armistice (long-term cease-fire) but a treaty of peace formally ending the war, and outlining territorial boundaries for contested star systems (like Ker'rat) hasn't happened yet.
Warf mentions, "in the past, there have been times where we have not been allies or enemies. Perhaps this will become one of those times." (Note the future tense.)
So, from an in-game, canon perspective... The Federation-Klingon war is pretty much the same status as the real-world Korean War: it never ended, but we've got a perpetual cessation of hostilities.
The hilarious part (and it is, at this point, hilarious) is that you're all worried and upset at the condition of PvP at levels above sixty-while there's nobody building the minor leagues to bring in players that might be able to teamwork it out without the 160 hours of PvE grind and god knows how much Zen expenditure.
There were some real legends in PvP once upon a time-guys who could come into an endgame match running tier three ships and kick the **** out of the other team. THose people moved on, there's nobody to replace them, but they got that good doing something nobody does anymore...
Leveling through PvP.
Doesn't happen. everyone is racing to get to that 'endgame ship' with all the bells and whistles-and Borticus is all too happy to come out with the next uncounterable 'thing' that you'll all run toward to get your won-true-build on.
Here's an idea...
Ker'rat is open all hours, and it's open to every level past ten. If FBPx5 really annoys you, maybe it's time to go back and work on your fundamentals-like watching the other fellow's buff-bar, and seeing what his traits and his passives are doing, learning to time it-maybe even learning to fight without the crutches. It's not 'vanilla' it's more basic than that.
the Powercreep and Pay2win has weighed down the whole activity, maybe it's time for the "ELITES" to come down from the mountain and start building the community again-recruitng newbies, shepherding them from low levels, redeveloping the basics so that when they HIT the level fifty to sixty slog, they're not relying on something that costs three grand and takes forever in grinding PvE to master.
I know, it's a filthy thought, lowering yourself to a new toon, eschewing the PvE and building something more than e-peen contests in the level sixty instance...but you never know-you might find that elusive 'challenge' you're all so on about, you might even find a way to revitalize the PvP community.
mind you, I advocated for this before and found only silence, I don't expect anyone to pick up the glove, but I've got a brand-new Lethean science and he's level 3 right now, and he'll stay low level for as long as anyone is willing to pick up the gauntlet, find a newbie, and bring them to Ker'rat to look for a fight that's free of extraneous elements. I'm not saying I can be there all the time, but I bet you can-some of you, anyway.
THIS is what it's going to take to 'save' PvP-not begging the Devs for work they can't or won't do, not complaining about how endgame builds interact with one another in this age of uncounterable power-creep and bottomless PvE grind, endless chasing after the 'next big thing'.
When you don't have the balls to take a Tier Five ship into level sixty ker'rat or queue matches becasue you KNOW what all those advanced mechanics can do to you, what chance is there for some newbie who's never even built his basic skillset?
You're not "Elite" until you have followers, students, people whose accomplishments are greater than your own, but rooted in your work.
Y'all talk a great game about how the people who left 'wouldn't adapt'...well, are you up to matching what they accomplished? can you dare to level a toon through PvP and PvP alone?
Did anyone see the other thread on that challenge? "Are you bold enough?"
Check it out.
Qapla!
Ok, if anyone who was tracking this comes back here, I am going to say yes to the challenge offered by Patrickngo. I am not the best PVP player. By far not! I do se this as a chance to bring some life into a part of the game that some say is already dead and gone. Maybe they are right. We can find out for sure. What do people say?
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MMO with 1300 people on average on steam lol
Unsustainable...a miracle we're getting any new content at all!
UPDATE: The chart tells the tale - http://steamcharts.com/app/9900
And note, the Peak was ~2400 augm3nt - not ~1300 - over the past 30 days. The latter number was the average.
Still, it's pretty bad...not even in the Top 100 on Steam.
RCK
RCK
Hi.
*Returns to Steam*
Haven't you still airlocked it?
im so sick of that TRIBBLE not on the list well wtf devs its been 6 F###### years how far down the list does it have to be??? seriously FU and your total FU attitude toward pvp and the pvpers ....let there be no mistake .........FU
Take it from someone that crossed over to kdf after leveling fed to lv6 a few days after launch fighting other kdf to lv40 because feds didnt q for pvp till they where max level cloaking ships have never been an issue for anyone that had a handel on the pvp aspect of the game.
Red Fed'ing was the best. Auto balance sides, the map mechanic was there for a time.
Delta - Recluse
Omega - Scimitar
Alpha - MVAM
Beta - Wells
Would be nice. It's sad to watch 10 feds gang up on 3 KDF.
Daizen - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
Selia - Lvl 60 Tactical - Eclipse
While..mildy true (it being sad)..The KDF seem to be better players than the feds for surviving such odds.
Rouge Sto Wiki Editor.
Now, as for who, on average, is a better PERSON, that's another story.
But FED wins. FED has Rayy.
Kerrat should have a higher maximum of players in zones.
Or team, warpout and warpin, then you should be in an instance with your teammates.
Ker'rat should be a pure PVE map, so people would actually do the mission that is displayed in the corner of the map. That way it would be a lot easier to get the 1'440 Dilithium and 50 (105) fleet marks once the "Into the Fray" or "To the Front Lines" daily is active. I still haven't completed the 70/70 accolade for that task, because so many times I am alone doing the mission and being shot at all the time. That takes the fun away and I will drop the daily.
PS: I have submitted a bug report in our special "Starfleet Operations Center" forum in here, about the loot drop issue from Borg critters in the Ker'rat map.
Original Join Date: January 30th, 2010
Delta - Recluse
Omega - Scimitar
Alpha - MVAM
Beta - Wells
As far as I can tell, they only keep us and the foundry around as a political measure so that the EP of the week can say that STO has these.
PvP is still part of the game and just because you want it to be removed, it wont happen.
That is not the hallmark of a good player, I don't use cheese and he has a hard time bringing my t5u defiant down on his own. He sucks without cheese, immunities and zhal.
We all have wishes and we all are allowed to voice them. I am quite sure PVP is not gunna be removed entirely, so you won't have to worry too much about it.
Original Join Date: January 30th, 2010
Warf mentions, "in the past, there have been times where we have not been allies or enemies. Perhaps this will become one of those times." (Note the future tense.)
So, from an in-game, canon perspective... The Federation-Klingon war is pretty much the same status as the real-world Korean War: it never ended, but we've got a perpetual cessation of hostilities.
QAPLA!!!
Check it out.
Qapla!
Ok, if anyone who was tracking this comes back here, I am going to say yes to the challenge offered by Patrickngo. I am not the best PVP player. By far not! I do se this as a chance to bring some life into a part of the game that some say is already dead and gone. Maybe they are right. We can find out for sure. What do people say?
Qapla!