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augm3nt
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Hi there xd
Since you lied to us about S10 will be PVP revamp again (dont worry we arent that stupid) can you follow storyline at least? Can you make Red vs Blue teams in Kerrat, instead FED vs KDF? arent we allies now? KDF is heavily outnumbered by FED (thats your fault too since you dont give a **** about KDF)
So we beg you to do this minor change in our beloved Battlezone. we dont need another one, we dont need pvp season, we dont need 100 nerfs which makes PVE playerbase mad. Just a simple change.. and pls dont tell me you cant do that, because "switching teams" were exist 2y ago.
cheers. :P
Since you lied to us about S10 will be PVP revamp again (dont worry we arent that stupid) can you follow storyline at least? Can you make Red vs Blue teams in Kerrat, instead FED vs KDF? arent we allies now? KDF is heavily outnumbered by FED (thats your fault too since you dont give a **** about KDF)
So we beg you to do this minor change in our beloved Battlezone. we dont need another one, we dont need pvp season, we dont need 100 nerfs which makes PVE playerbase mad. Just a simple change.. and pls dont tell me you cant do that, because "switching teams" were exist 2y ago.
cheers. :P
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With the queues all but barren nowadays (for reasons that shall not be named), many of us are stuck with Ker'rat for our PvP fix. The Fed/KDF ratio is usually around 3:1 but it spikes up to 5:1 or worse at busy hours.
That is why I was never a fan of Ker'rat. The few times I've been there it's always been an unequal fight. 3 to 1 advantage is not fun at all.
That's a really good idea! I definitely support this and if we can't have this, at least let us be able to switch sides as I would gladly switch to the side in need most.
They've already made the PvP queues all factions haven't they? I'm guessing they did that because of the lack of KDF players in the queue.
I've never heard anything that ever said S10 would be a PvP revamp. Devs have said that PvP is something that they want to make better and do intend to someday make better; but for now it is not on their priority list.
That was one of the very rare bugs that actually improved the game lol. My friends and I usually joined the outnumbered side on principle, to compensate any unfun imbalances. Eight players constantly ganking one lone single player can get frustating for both sides after all; but if three players decided to glitch to support the minority side, you restored balance of powers. Kerrat was a bit less toxic and frustrating back then.
Ahhh, gotcha.
That'd retain the classic Kerrat experience while letting players who want to balance the pvp aspect out do so.
All the crowing about how unified Kerrat will kill the game like unified queues did... really feels like you guys weren't really around for the introduction of mixed queues and are only going off of hyper-exaggerated forum hearsay.
Before mixed queueus, Fed vs Fed was always going, premade teams constantly running, very little pug activity. KDF vs Fed was always four or five klinks, one or two feds waiting on some more pugs to join and get stomped by the cloaking team, and KDF vs KDF queues were a graveyard from their inception.
When queues were mixed, there was a brief upswing in activity, followed by a sharp downturn that persists to this day, but it is NOT strictly on account of the queues being mixed.
Rather, it's because of the Romulans.
The advent of a faction that has ready access to combat-usable cloaking devices on most of their ships and can be FED ALIGNED absolutely destroyed the then precariously balanced fed vs fed metagame.
The reason Fed vs Fed queues were always going is that the general conception of them was that they were 'pure' or 'honest', since it was skill game of ship against ship, rather than, when KDF were involved, of ship against annoying OP gimmick back before reliably detection or effecting methods were really around.
I know people harp on and on about surviving the alpha and the stuff Fed could do to mitigate cloak, but ultimately cloak, and especially combat used cloak was and is today a huge advantage that a lot of people didn't- and still don't- want to deal with.
All those players who exclusively played fed vs fed now having to face romulans and klingons and not having an auto-popping pugging/premade team queue that excluded combat cloakers- that's what caused the initial die-off, and the loss of most of those public premades.
But remember how I said that Fed vs Fed was always going, and Fed vs Klink was always waiting on those last few players?
KDF vs KDF was a graveyard, and it was a graveyard because for all the feddies hated their 'pure' and 'honest' games being interrupted with cloak and backstabbing tactics, they were at least relatively resigned to their lot in this game, that by playing feds inevitably they would end up fighting cloakers at some point.
The Klingon faction, at it's height, had no such resignation. For all the opportunities given to them to fight against eachother, the fact of the matter was that it never happened in the public queues, and only very rarely happened in the private queues due to the nature of teaming and fleet associations and the like.
The Fed premades could stomach the occasional Klink cloaker versus. The KDF?
Hahahaha, they were the most butthurt players in the game for a good month. Romulans, cross faction queues- they loved to go on and on about how fed vs klink and cloak is fair, it's balanced, but that fed should never ever ever get cloak because fed ships are better, shinier, get all the cool stuff- and some of that certainly has been factual.
But a lot of it was double standard. It was okay for Klinks to have combat usable cloaks, but not feds.
And the mere idea of having to deal with their own bullcrap, well, that didn't sit right with many of them. When cross faction queues were put into place and the Klingons had to deal with fighting cloakers every match- that was where we saw the major die-off.
Klingon premades vanished overnight, and the die-hard feds followed them. Neither wanted to be involved in a game in which there was a better than 50% chance that they would be facing enemies who had combat usable cloaks in a given match, especially not with how degenerate cloak tactics had gotten.
Entire premades hanging around both sides in cloak, unwilling to make the first move because the resulting clusterbomb would ruin their precious K/D ratios.
And throughout that, sure, there were lots of players on both sides who stuck around, who worked to continue playing, and who adapted. Just as there are lots of players who have adapted to the current realities.
But the population has undeniably lessened significantly, and I suppose that in time the reasons and justifications have been lost or faded, so we've gotten the very basic issue of 'mixed queues killed pvp', when really they didn't, it was a result of echo chamber hugboxing premades who were kings of their own isolated hills being smashed together and forced out of their very specific comfort zones.
We live in a Post-Legacy of Romulas game. Cloaking ships, especially combat capable cloaking ships are not a frightening enemy anymore. They're expected, they're accepted and dealt with, and the meta has adapted to their presence.
So the fear that cross faction teaming might expose you to a situation in which you might have to face the big bad scary combat cloaking vaper... really doesn't hold water anymore.
Cross faction teaming in Kerrat won't kill it- the die-off from players being forced to either adapt or leave to the reality of enemies who can cloak in combat already did that. STO players spoke with their wallets and their tails between their legs.
I commend everyone who stayed, and further everyone who stayed throughout all the trials and tribulations to the present. PVP is a tired shell of what it once was, but I really hope that the community has in itself the drive to build itself back up. There are new players joining regularly, and rather than try to drive them off like some of the forum pvpers, we should be encouraging them and giving them our help.
Offering a Cross faction option to Kerrat is one way to do that.
This is sad
But we have great pve in sto https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwGQgqZYMWc
Yes, it is sad that they would say that about people who play their game. Especially since some of those pvpers, including me, spend actual money on this game - something I'm starting to regret.
That's one thing I'm happy about, didn't spend a dime. And good lord that I didn't, makes easier to forget about STO and their devs.
HAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH dude that's epic!
Absolutely not. Best advice for anyone trying to PvP now is to just give up. Or if they are persistent- load all One shot kill gear, undead tank hax or perma disable gear and just show them how broken this sht is.
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I support this proposal.
Take note that I'm not espousing that view, I'm just stating that it was the general conception by those players. Absolutely the FvF queues were toxic stagnant cheesy ****. There's no doubt in my mind over it. But a good portion of those players well and truly believed that they were higher, mightier, more honest and pure and straight out better than the dirty lowly backstabbing klinks.
Klinks had their own problems, mind you, but being a smaller percentage of the player base meant that they weren't nearly quite so vocal over them as the feds were, who constantly made thread after thread about ultimately trivial meaningless bunk.
Also, when I say lots of players, I mean like, the twenty or so of you I encounter over the course of a week. At any given moment there's maybe ten pvpers in game doing ****, but half that number actually queuing up.
Maybe, but it seems like every major update I have to rework my build to combat the newest and most overpowered abilites.:( Shield tanks like myself seem to be useless with all the shield penetrating abilities nowadays.
Anyway, having a fed traited lag machine flying next to me would probably make my life harder then in a 2 vs 1 lol.
Happily the que seems to be popping at an acceptable rate, so I can get my equal number matches there.
But the team idea would generally be a great idea, and would hopefully finally allow for cross faction teaming as well.
On a side note: BRING BACK SHARED SPAWN BALL! best part of kerrat lol