.You have military personnel in charge of the world's most powerful weapons, no slouches mind you, who tell us SOMETHING they can't explain interfered with these very weapons in ways that they can't explain.
.Then others, who are experts in the most advanced aircraft the world knows, (because they guard them CHRIST SAKES ! ), who tell you they saw aircraft that behaved unlike any that originate on Earth, while hovering over those very weapons.
And obviously they're privy to all military technology of a particular nation right. If they can't explain it, I mean, who could, all military personal no all the minutia of every bit of related technology.
Because the guards of aircraft are also engineers. All experts in existing aircraft are experts in prototypes right, even ones not disclosed to them?
You have the testimony of former FAA division chief John Callahan, who tells: about a 1986 Japanese Airlines 747 flight that was followed by a UFO for 31 minutes over the Alaskan skies. The UFO also trailed a United Airlines flight until the flight landed. There was visual confirmation as well as air-based and ground-based radar confirmation.
Who goes on to say that the CIA came, took all the evidence of the incident and said:
"This event never happened, we were never here, we're confiscating all this data, and you're all sworn to secrecy."
So you think that says 'aliens' and not 'advanced USAF prototype'?
.You have theoretical physicist Michio Kaku, (string theory, he's the co-founder). He tells you that we can't discount the fact that aliens may have visited, to think outside of the box, and that 5% of all UFO sightings "Give him the willies".
And? What does quantum physics have to do with extra-terrestrial life? Of is all science the same to you?
You have Seth Shostak, the senior Astronomer at SETI Institute saying we'll find aliens by 2037.
The guy whose job it is to find aliens, thinks he'll find aliens? Whuda thunk!
Also, finding evidence of extra-terrestrial signals or biospheres = aliens have landed, the routinely fly their ships around a bunch of backwater hicks, and go in for a good probing, whilst also hiding Atlantis from us.
Evidence for something is not evidence for something else.
Critical thinking needs to evolve and It doesn't sound like YOU'RE objectively analyzing ANYTHING.
I don't need to. When evidence of ET visitors comes to light and is extensively peer reviewed and widely published and accepted, then I'll accept it.
I'm an analytical chemist and environmental scientist, and though that gives me a higher ability to critically analyse than random blokes on the internet digging for a conspire to explain away all their little problems, the search for extra-terrestrial life is not my field, I'll leave it to the experts. Not to me, not to the internet, not to the History Channel, not to random youtube vids. To the experts.
I've provided you with the information that compels my reasoning to consider the possibility of ETs, all you've done is badly criticize my thought process,..(without the help of spellcheck I could add),
And all that's done is show your thought process. Yes I have criticised it, just as you've criticised mine, so? Oh, a missing spellcheck, that completely invalidates my argument as I was typing on a mobile on a bus that was about 5 degrees.
Hmm, nope. Try read the words and not just guess what you think I'm trying to say.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Did you have the classic missing time? Maybe you guys were just scanned. Shame there are not pictures of the event, people on here will say you seen swamp gas or something. Not me of course.
-DeskHead- SWAMP GAS ? That's the last time I share !
Well, Full disclosure: THERE IS a VERY big Swamp behind my mother's house, a VERY, VERY big one as a matter of fact. It's called the Hockomock. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockomock_Swamp
Missing time? No, pretty sure I fell asleep. That's what my mother tells me. She was there too, so...
BUT,.... that was no swamp gas, Even this then seven year old could tell you that.
No that was some sort of vehicle/craft. It flew.
Who's ? that's what we, (my mother and I), dunno. We're told no one had anything extraordinary in the area.
Mind you- That whole damned thing could very well have been something very prosaic. I was young.
My adult mind has considered that fact about a million times, (that even helped me sleep in earlier years), BUT I lack the facts to rule ANYTHING out.
I listen to what people who've claimed to have shared similar experiences have to say.
I don't discount possibilities. I feel like I kinda lost that luxury TBH.
I think that's what draws me to shows like Star Trek in the first place.
There's a saying not sure who said it. It's "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".
I can't PROVE aliens exist, But scientists tell me that they're out there.
I can't prove the nature of reality as I experience it, exists.
But I stubbed my toe this morning and it hurt, you'll just have to take my word for that too.
I know I love my wife, I really can't prove that, beyond the fact that I let her spend all of my money..and I like to kiss her a lot. I'll close with that, It always makes my wife laugh.
LOL whut ? Who said anything about probing? Try read the words and not just guess what you think I'm trying to say. See what I did there? Now who says I haven't been following you ?
I'm an analytical chemist and environmental scientist, and though that gives me a higher ability to critically analyse than random blokes on the internet digging for a conspire to explain away all their little problems,
Ouch ! Again ? All that higher ability, yet you sound so disagreeable towards the random bloke. It must be lonely at the top I sympathize.
Oh and judging by your usage of the word "blokes" may I assume that your NOT a resident of the US?
I mean, It's okay and all, But does it explain?:
"you wouldn't be loosing all your wars would you." , "but do you really think the USA would be loosing any fight at all with any sort of alian tech?"
I'm gonna exercise a bit of reasoning of my own here. You may wanna stand back.
But It SOUNDS like you might have a problem with the US, It's policies and maybe those:
Americans? Not sure if that's how you intended to come across. Cause It does nothing to strengthen an argument based on higher reasoning.
I know I needn't point out to someone with all those higher abilities, that not every American agrees with the current path the US is on either. Truth.
It's important to remember that especially when excising those a fore mentioned abilities beyond us mortal blokes. Use your powers for good !
And this is the part where I have to echo Loriss.... "SHOW ME PROOF THAT WHAT YOU CLAIM IS REAL!"
I've read a LOT about this subject and I've seen no reason to believe that any alien craft has ever even been to our solar system. Oh I've spent hours reading fanciful stories written by people who claim it has happened, but most are unbelievable.
Heck the Philadelphia experiment is more believable.... not that I actually believe that either. If they'd gotten anything even remotely viable they'd have done follow-up studies... possibly with less powerful equipment. But believing that humans did insane things in the name of scientific research does not strain credibility.
Believing that an unidentified light in the sky is a space ship is a lot like believing that a muddy indistinct foot print is from Bigfoot.
Full disclosure: I've seen a UFO of my own. While living in the woods in Washington state for a time (long story), one night I beheld a large, cigar-shaped craft moving low over the shoulder of Mt. Rainier. I shined a high-powered flashlight at it; its running lights were immediately doused and it moved away.
Three years later, I saw it again - in the pages of Aviation Week, at the local library. It was a dirigible that had been developed by the Soviet Union for the ostensible purpose of making it easier to log on the steep slopes of the Caucausus Range; the author of the article, however, suspected it served double duty as an experimental personnel carrier for mountainous regions like, say, Afghanistan. Turns out that just across Mt. Rainier from my campsite lies the US Army's Yakima Testing Grounds. It seems probable to me that what I saw was a dirigible built to a design taken from Soviet databases, and being tested in the Cascades.
As you can see, a "UFO" can have a clear explanation, if you bother to seek one...
I agree that it is far more likely that UFOs are secret human projects--the stealth fighters and bombers (e.g. the B-2) were widely reported as UFOS during their testing, for example, and the USAF actually did experiments with developing flying saucer craft (they found that they were too unstable to fly without being controlled by computers more advanced than what was available at the time).
I can't PROVE aliens exist, But scientists tell me that they're out there.
No, they do not. Scientists tell you that it seems probable, given the regular appearance of all the necessary chemicals out there floating around in space, that there is likely some form of extraterrestrial life; however, when they say that, they mean any sort of life, including microbes (the sort of life being sought beneath the sands of Mars and in the hydrocarbon oceans of Titan). They don't try to tell you there are intelligent alien life forms out there, because they have no data. We know of precisely one planet on which complex life developed; we speculate that there might be simpler life forms on two others; we do not know. And as for the one planet, we only know of one form of fully sapient life, and three subsapient branches - one of which is related to the sapients.
Scientists do not guess in their fields. When Dr. Kako speaks of the possibility of extraterrestrial life, he speaks as a normal person, guessing; as a scientist, he doesn't pretend to know anything besides physics. As a physicist, he would never guess, for instance, which particle mediates the strong nuclear force; he would know, through his studies, that it's the gluon. He would hypothesize that mass is mediated by the Higgs boson, because once it was discovered by the Large Hadron Collider, the properties of the Higgs boson matched almost exactly with Peter Higgs' theory. He would not claim to know this, however, as there has not yet been sufficient experimentation - Higgs bosons are hard to catch before they decay. And when he says he thinks there are intelligent aliens, he is not speaking in his person as a scientist.
Did you have the classic missing time? Maybe you guys were just scanned. Shame there are not pictures of the event, people on here will say you seen swamp gas or something. Not me of course.
-DeskHead- SWAMP GAS ? That's the last time I share !
Well, Full disclosure: THERE IS a VERY big Swamp behind my mother's house, a VERY, VERY big one as a matter of fact. It's called the Hockomock. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockomock_Swamp
Missing time? No, pretty sure I fell asleep. That's what my mother tells me. She was there too, so...
BUT,.... that was no swamp gas, Even this then seven year old could tell you that.
No that was some sort of vehicle/craft. It flew.
Who's ? that's what we, (my mother and I), dunno. We're told no one had anything extraordinary in the area.
Mind you- That whole damned thing could very well have been something very prosaic. I was young.
My adult mind has considered that fact about a million times, (that even helped me sleep in earlier years), BUT I lack the facts to rule ANYTHING out.
I listen to what people who've claimed to have shared similar experiences have to say.
I don't discount possibilities. I feel like I kinda lost that luxury TBH.
I think that's what draws me to shows like Star Trek in the first place.
There's a saying not sure who said it. It's "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".
I can't PROVE aliens exist, But scientists tell me that they're out there.
I can't prove the nature of reality as I experience it, exists.
But I stubbed my toe this morning and it hurt, you'll just have to take my word for that too.
I know I love my wife, I really can't prove that, beyond the fact that I let her spend all of my money..and I like to kiss her a lot. I'll close with that, It always makes my wife laugh.
Well it might have been one of those black project planes. They do back engineer the alien tech after all.
And this is the part where I have to echo Loriss.... "SHOW ME PROOF THAT WHAT YOU CLAIM IS REAL!"
I've read a LOT about this subject and I've seen no reason to believe that any alien craft has ever even been to our solar system. Oh I've spent hours reading fanciful stories written by people who claim it has happened, but most are unbelievable.
Heck the Philadelphia experiment is more believable.... not that I actually believe that either. If they'd gotten anything even remotely viable they'd have done follow-up studies... possibly with less powerful equipment. But believing that humans did insane things in the name of scientific research does not strain credibility.
Believing that an unidentified light in the sky is a space ship is a lot like believing that a muddy indistinct foot print is from Bigfoot.
But still you have people like me, that have seen something, and it's wasn't normal. Sure it still could have been something we made, but it's still not part of the normal. So it's still an UFO.
And this is the part where I have to echo Loriss.... "SHOW ME PROOF THAT WHAT YOU CLAIM IS REAL!"
I've read a LOT about this subject and I've seen no reason to believe that any alien craft has ever even been to our solar system. Oh I've spent hours reading fanciful stories written by people who claim it has happened, but most are unbelievable.
Heck the Philadelphia experiment is more believable.... not that I actually believe that either. If they'd gotten anything even remotely viable they'd have done follow-up studies... possibly with less powerful equipment. But believing that humans did insane things in the name of scientific research does not strain credibility.
Believing that an unidentified light in the sky is a space ship is a lot like believing that a muddy indistinct foot print is from Bigfoot.
But still you have people like me, that have seen something, and it's wasn't normal. Sure it still could have been something we made, but it's still not part of the normal. So it's still an UFO.
Oh I've seen plenty of weird things too. But alien? No reason to believe that.
That tinfoil hat must be cutting off the blood flow to your brain. The actual UFO conspiracy is just the government letting morons like you scream about UFOs so you aren't paying attention to experimental and/or top secret tech. E.g. there WAS a cover-up at Roswell, but it was of an attempt to detect Soviet nuclear weapons testing, not alien visitation. Before that it was of U-2 spy plane flights over the Soviet Union. These days? Stealth aircraft and so forth, like the super-quiet helicopters used in the SEAL raid that killed Osama bin Laden.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
That tinfoil hat must be cutting off the blood flow to your brain. The actual UFO conspiracy is just the government letting morons like you scream about UFOs so you aren't paying attention to experimental and/or top secret tech. E.g. there WAS a cover-up at Roswell, but it was of an attempt to detect Soviet nuclear weapons testing, not alien visitation. Before that it was of U-2 spy plane flights over the Soviet Union. These days? Stealth aircraft and so forth, like the super-quiet helicopters used in the SEAL raid that killed Osama bin Laden.
and yet again we keep on getting reports like this, and it just adds fuel to the fire.
LOL whut ? Who said anything about probing? Try read the words and not just guess what you think I'm trying to say. See what I did there? Now who says I haven't been following you ?
My comment wasn't a direct response just to you, it was to anyone reading, and I'm sure at least one person here would believe aliens come down for a good probing.
I'm an analytical chemist and environmental scientist, and though that gives me a higher ability to critically analyse than random blokes on the internet digging for a conspire to explain away all their little problems,
Ouch ! Again ? All that higher ability, yet you sound so disagreeable towards the random bloke. It must be lonely at the top I sympathize.
At the top, hardly. I'm a working scientist not an academic. But yes, I have little patience for backyard research
"you wouldn't be loosing all your wars would you." , "but do you really think the USA would be loosing any fight at all with any sort of alian tech?"
I'm gonna exercise a bit of reasoning of my own here. You may wanna stand back.
But It SOUNDS like you might have a problem with the US, It's policies and maybe those:
Americans? Not sure if that's how you intended to come across. Cause It does nothing to strengthen an argument based on higher reasoning.
I know I needn't point out to someone with all those higher abilities, that not every American agrees with the current path the US is on either. Truth.
It's important to remember that especially when excising those a fore mentioned abilities beyond us mortal blokes. Use your powers for good !
Correct, I'm English. And no, I don't have a problem with America or Americans. However, considering that almost all the internet and its related conspiracies, are based in and from the US I was trying to coach it towards the US.
Agreeing with it or not, the US is embroiled in a lot of wars at the moment and has being since the end of neutrality in the 40s. That sort of foreign policy tends to drive forward technological development (more advanced prototypes), more security breaches (so no aliens hidden in files), more widespread use of reserve and untested technology (so no stockpiled cloaks etc.).
Yes I have criticised it, just as you've criticised mine, so?
Fair enough. Again, (hate to be THAT guy), but spellcheck is our friend and an often underused superpower.
I was on a laptop this time and have been unable to find any spelling errors, the only things in red are our usernames and a few other words like 'hick's' or 'spellcheck'.
Not too sure based upon our convo that you're someone I'd share a pint with. As much as it pains me, guessing you probably feel the same? Pity
I'll let you have the last word/s Hold on, (big swig of my beverage) Go - Be gentle now
Maybe, maybe not, I'm generally more accommodating prior to 10pm and in real life. Also, feel free not to let it be the last word if you feel you have anything more to say.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
That tinfoil hat must be cutting off the blood flow to your brain. The actual UFO conspiracy is just the government letting morons like you scream about UFOs so you aren't paying attention to experimental and/or top secret tech. E.g. there WAS a cover-up at Roswell, but it was of an attempt to detect Soviet nuclear weapons testing, not alien visitation. Before that it was of U-2 spy plane flights over the Soviet Union. These days? Stealth aircraft and so forth, like the super-quiet helicopters used in the SEAL raid that killed Osama bin Laden.
and yet again we keep on getting reports like this, and it just adds fuel to the fire.
It's the CIA, why do you believe ANYTHING they say? :P Also:
Dr. Robarge also cited a CIA report prepared by an analyst saying that most of the UFO reports of the 1950s and 1960's were the result of U-2 spy planes being tested at Area 51.
“He found a 75 percent correlation between 'black projects' and UFO sightings,” Dr. Robarge said.
The Air Force collected 84k pages of information related to UFO sightings. That was just from 1947 to 1969 when PBB was officially canceled. I suspect that UFO sightings are still investigated but not in the same manner. Why? Well it doesn't require the government to "believe", it requires them to want to know what actually happened. Was it a sighting of a U2? Was it a sighting of a Russian spy drone? THAT is a very good reason to investigate the report even if you don't "believe".
Speaking of which, how do we know aliens isn't just another coverstory.
Hast thou not gone against sincerity
Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
Look, I sent data to "Area 51" (now Homie AFB) back in the '80s. Trust me, it was a testbed location for experimental technologies - the weapons data I sent was for what turned out to be B-2 bombers. (Still remember the day the B-2 was officially unveiled. I hung the cover photo from the Air Force Times over my desk with the caption, "Holy neutrons, Batman!") Those UFOs around there? They were "unidentified" because they were classified. Some, like the Aurora pulse bomber, were later declassified because the thruster system proved to be unworkable. The guys at Homie are still working on classified-design aircraft to this day, I'm quite sure.
And as for the one planet, we only know of one form of fully sapient life, and three subsapient branches - one of which is related to the sapients.
Monkey, dolphin, octopus ?
Not sure octopi are subsapient yet - I was referring to elephants, who demonstrate an ability to pass on learning second-hand. (Most recent case was of three elephants injured by poachers; one of them had previously shared a herd with some elephants who had been rehabilitated by a human nonprofit organization, and he led the other two to that group despite never having been there himself.)
And as for the one planet, we only know of one form of fully sapient life, and three subsapient branches - one of which is related to the sapients.
Monkey, dolphin, octopus ?
Not sure octopi are subsapient yet - I was referring to elephants, who demonstrate an ability to pass on learning second-hand. (Most recent case was of three elephants injured by poachers; one of them had previously shared a herd with some elephants who had been rehabilitated by a human nonprofit organization, and he led the other two to that group despite never having been there himself.)
I was thinking of Ravens myself. They're at least as smart as cats, if not more.
Look, I sent data to "Area 51" (now Homie AFB) back in the '80s. Trust me, it was a testbed location for experimental technologies - the weapons data I sent was for what turned out to be B-2 bombers. (Still remember the day the B-2 was officially unveiled. I hung the cover photo from the Air Force Times over my desk with the caption, "Holy neutrons, Batman!") Those UFOs around there? They were "unidentified" because they were classified. Some, like the Aurora pulse bomber, were later declassified because the thruster system proved to be unworkable. The guys at Homie are still working on classified-design aircraft to this day, I'm quite sure.
What data? Did you recover it from Atlantis? Was it about the correct aliment of crop circles? .
Oh, it was weapons data, ray guns? Phasers? Micowaves?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Look, I sent data to "Area 51" (now Homie AFB) back in the '80s. Trust me, it was a testbed location for experimental technologies - the weapons data I sent was for what turned out to be B-2 bombers. (Still remember the day the B-2 was officially unveiled. I hung the cover photo from the Air Force Times over my desk with the caption, "Holy neutrons, Batman!") Those UFOs around there? They were "unidentified" because they were classified. Some, like the Aurora pulse bomber, were later declassified because the thruster system proved to be unworkable. The guys at Homie are still working on classified-design aircraft to this day, I'm quite sure.
What data? Did you recover it from Atlantis? Was it about the correct aliment of crop circles? .
Oh, it was weapons data, ray guns? Phasers? Micowaves?
Just tell me about that huge jet black plane that can swirl the clouds under it with it's engines. I know that was a Area 51 project, I seen it.
Have at it and go wild. Ought to be enough to make a hat strong enough to block out the reptoid mind control beams.
NOoooooo that only helps to read your mind, like a huge antenna.
Glad to see you have a sense of humor. Most people over on Zone would've had a cow over such teasing.
On a more serious note...
I take a middle of the road approach when dealing with the issue of U.F.O.s. I've seen things in the sky over the years that were not readily identifiable. Not only from the ground in civilian life, but also as a single engine licensed civilian pilot, in the military, and in my law enforcement career. At least a couple were certifiably non-identifiable (not misidentified aircraft, weather phenomena, satellites, etc. etc.). Things that behaved and looking like nothing natural or man made.
The Old Man (my late Pops) was in the USAF from the late 1960's through the late '70's. His MOS involved radar and he participated in ELINT seeker and early AEW operations (EC-121 "Warning Stars") in Southeast Asia during the war. After Vietnam, he pulled a stint at a dome in Alaska that was part of the DEW Line during the Cold War, and even had a brief stint at Cheyenne Mountain toward the end of his time in the Air Force. When I was younger, he told me a few stories about odd radar tracks, weird TRIBBLE he and his buddies had seen in the skies, and even one incident in Alaska that involve F-4Es being scrambled to check out a radar target that was behaving in an unusual manner, and getting a bit close to a secure radar facility on the DEW Line. Intercepts of Soviet aircraft over the Straits was so routine, that nobody fretted about it. But in this instance, they were debriefed and told not to discuss the matter (even among themselves). In his account, the behavior of the track and the debriefing convinced him it was a UFO incident. He told me that the usual procedure when dealing with reports and incidents involving military personnel in those days, was to debrief, tell everybody to shut up, file it, and forget about it. The Air Force hated dealing with the headaches the subject always bought up.
Based on all of that, I try to take an open minded and balanced view. Do I believe in a conspiracy to cover up UFO visitations? No I do not. Do I believe in all that other TRIBBLE about reverse engineering and possession of EBEs and technology? No I do not. I don't believe in occult nonsense about secret government UFO agencies, secret alliances with ETs, "Men in Black", alien abductions, experimentation, hybrids, and all that other horseshit.
I do believe that it's entirely possible that we are being visited, and ET's are checking us out. Not an absolute, but a possibility. And the reason that U.S. Military (and Federal Government in general) is so evasive and stand-offish about U.F.O.s, is that they simply don't know what the true "unidentifieds" really are, are of the opinion they pose no national security risk, and just don't want to have to waste time, money, and manpower dealing with it. Which is what the public will demand they do if they seriously acknowledge the issue of U.F.O.s at all.
The wild and crazy conspiracy theories/claims, some from the most well known faces in Ufology, are not doing the field any service whatsoever. It could've become a legitimate field of study, and not a pseudoscience, if it wasn't for all of the fear mongers, crackpots, and profiteers over the years. Now, there is no chance of a serious study of actual cases of unidentified flying objects in the scientific community. It's a joke at best. A poison pill, at worst. Which is a shame, since it's a facinating subject.
Oh, it was weapons data, ray guns? Phasers? Micowaves?
Military lasers (such as the Airborne Laser) and microwave systems (such as the Active Denial System) are highly experimental..
Fixed that for you.
What I sent was nuclear weapon targeting data, actually - that was my job at HQ SAC, and as a (very junior) member of the Joint Strategic Target Planning Staff (JSTPS). Had to make sure that if the balloon went up, all the weapons would get where they were supposed to go, not blow each other up on the way. And by early '86, the B-2 project had advanced to the point that the Air Force was prepared to deploy them in the event of nuclear war.
Oh, it was weapons data, ray guns? Phasers? Micowaves?
Military lasers (such as the Airborne Laser) and microwave systems (such as the Active Denial System) are highly experimental..
Fixed that for you.
What I sent was nuclear weapon targeting data, actually - that was my job at HQ SAC, and as a (very junior) member of the Joint Strategic Target Planning Staff (JSTPS). Had to make sure that if the balloon went up, all the weapons would get where they were supposed to go, not blow each other up on the way. And by early '86, the B-2 project had advanced to the point that the Air Force was prepared to deploy them in the event of nuclear war.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
The wild and crazy conspiracy theories/claims, some from the most well known faces in Ufology, are not doing the field any service whatsoever. It could've become a legitimate field of study, and not a pseudoscience, if it wasn't for all of the fear mongers, crackpots, and profiteers over the years. Now, there is no chance of a serious study of actual cases of unidentified flying objects in the scientific community. It's a joke at best. A poison pill, at worst. Which is a shame, since it's a facinating subject.
This is why I like Bluebook. It's a serious study of stuff, and the military version didn't try to pass of fanciful theories. Not as well read on the new civilian continuation.
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And obviously they're privy to all military technology of a particular nation right. If they can't explain it, I mean, who could, all military personal no all the minutia of every bit of related technology.
Because the guards of aircraft are also engineers. All experts in existing aircraft are experts in prototypes right, even ones not disclosed to them?
Appeal to authority.
So you think that says 'aliens' and not 'advanced USAF prototype'?
Ockham's razor.
And? What does quantum physics have to do with extra-terrestrial life? Of is all science the same to you?
Also, Appeal to authority.
The guy whose job it is to find aliens, thinks he'll find aliens? Whuda thunk!
Also, finding evidence of extra-terrestrial signals or biospheres = aliens have landed, the routinely fly their ships around a bunch of backwater hicks, and go in for a good probing, whilst also hiding Atlantis from us.
Evidence for something is not evidence for something else.
Oookay... Replace the word 'USA' with the name of any other country on Earth.
I don't need to. When evidence of ET visitors comes to light and is extensively peer reviewed and widely published and accepted, then I'll accept it.
I'm an analytical chemist and environmental scientist, and though that gives me a higher ability to critically analyse than random blokes on the internet digging for a conspire to explain away all their little problems, the search for extra-terrestrial life is not my field, I'll leave it to the experts. Not to me, not to the internet, not to the History Channel, not to random youtube vids. To the experts.
And all that's done is show your thought process. Yes I have criticised it, just as you've criticised mine, so? Oh, a missing spellcheck, that completely invalidates my argument as I was typing on a mobile on a bus that was about 5 degrees.
Hmm, nope. Try read the words and not just guess what you think I'm trying to say.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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-DeskHead- SWAMP GAS ? That's the last time I share !
Well, Full disclosure: THERE IS a VERY big Swamp behind my mother's house, a VERY, VERY big one as a matter of fact. It's called the Hockomock.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockomock_Swamp
Missing time? No, pretty sure I fell asleep. That's what my mother tells me. She was there too, so...
BUT,.... that was no swamp gas, Even this then seven year old could tell you that.
No that was some sort of vehicle/craft. It flew.
Who's ? that's what we, (my mother and I), dunno. We're told no one had anything extraordinary in the area.
Mind you- That whole damned thing could very well have been something very prosaic. I was young.
My adult mind has considered that fact about a million times, (that even helped me sleep in earlier years), BUT I lack the facts to rule ANYTHING out.
I listen to what people who've claimed to have shared similar experiences have to say.
I don't discount possibilities. I feel like I kinda lost that luxury TBH.
I think that's what draws me to shows like Star Trek in the first place.
There's a saying not sure who said it. It's "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".
I can't PROVE aliens exist, But scientists tell me that they're out there.
I can't prove the nature of reality as I experience it, exists.
But I stubbed my toe this morning and it hurt, you'll just have to take my word for that too.
I know I love my wife, I really can't prove that, beyond the fact that I let her spend all of my money..and I like to kiss her a lot. I'll close with that, It always makes my wife laugh.
LOL whut ? Who said anything about probing? Try read the words and not just guess what you think I'm trying to say. See what I did there? Now who says I haven't been following you ?
Ouch ! Again ? All that higher ability, yet you sound so disagreeable towards the random bloke. It must be lonely at the top I sympathize.
Oh and judging by your usage of the word "blokes" may I assume that your NOT a resident of the US?
I mean, It's okay and all, But does it explain?:
I'm gonna exercise a bit of reasoning of my own here. You may wanna stand back.
But It SOUNDS like you might have a problem with the US, It's policies and maybe those: Americans? Not sure if that's how you intended to come across. Cause It does nothing to strengthen an argument based on higher reasoning.
I know I needn't point out to someone with all those higher abilities, that not every American agrees with the current path the US is on either. Truth.
It's important to remember that especially when excising those a fore mentioned abilities beyond us mortal blokes. Use your powers for good !
I'll thank you for that, from the bottom of this backwater hick's heart.
Fair enough. Again, (hate to be THAT guy), but spellcheck is our friend and an often underused superpower.
Not too sure based upon our convo that you're someone I'd share a pint with. As much as it pains me, guessing you probably feel the same? Pity
I'll let you have the last word/s Hold on, (big swig of my beverage) Go - Be gentle now
I've read a LOT about this subject and I've seen no reason to believe that any alien craft has ever even been to our solar system. Oh I've spent hours reading fanciful stories written by people who claim it has happened, but most are unbelievable.
Heck the Philadelphia experiment is more believable.... not that I actually believe that either. If they'd gotten anything even remotely viable they'd have done follow-up studies... possibly with less powerful equipment. But believing that humans did insane things in the name of scientific research does not strain credibility.
Believing that an unidentified light in the sky is a space ship is a lot like believing that a muddy indistinct foot print is from Bigfoot.
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I agree that it is far more likely that UFOs are secret human projects--the stealth fighters and bombers (e.g. the B-2) were widely reported as UFOS during their testing, for example, and the USAF actually did experiments with developing flying saucer craft (they found that they were too unstable to fly without being controlled by computers more advanced than what was available at the time).
Scientists do not guess in their fields. When Dr. Kako speaks of the possibility of extraterrestrial life, he speaks as a normal person, guessing; as a scientist, he doesn't pretend to know anything besides physics. As a physicist, he would never guess, for instance, which particle mediates the strong nuclear force; he would know, through his studies, that it's the gluon. He would hypothesize that mass is mediated by the Higgs boson, because once it was discovered by the Large Hadron Collider, the properties of the Higgs boson matched almost exactly with Peter Higgs' theory. He would not claim to know this, however, as there has not yet been sufficient experimentation - Higgs bosons are hard to catch before they decay. And when he says he thinks there are intelligent aliens, he is not speaking in his person as a scientist.
Monkey, dolphin, octopus ?
Well it might have been one of those black project planes. They do back engineer the alien tech after all.
But still you have people like me, that have seen something, and it's wasn't normal. Sure it still could have been something we made, but it's still not part of the normal. So it's still an UFO.
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and yet again we keep on getting reports like this, and it just adds fuel to the fire.
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/pages/CIA-Employees-Reveal-Truth-About-Area-51
Back water - out of the mainstream hicks - strange folk. People with peculiar ideas or views.
My comment wasn't a direct response just to you, it was to anyone reading, and I'm sure at least one person here would believe aliens come down for a good probing.
At the top, hardly. I'm a working scientist not an academic. But yes, I have little patience for backyard research
Correct, I'm English. And no, I don't have a problem with America or Americans. However, considering that almost all the internet and its related conspiracies, are based in and from the US I was trying to coach it towards the US.
Agreeing with it or not, the US is embroiled in a lot of wars at the moment and has being since the end of neutrality in the 40s. That sort of foreign policy tends to drive forward technological development (more advanced prototypes), more security breaches (so no aliens hidden in files), more widespread use of reserve and untested technology (so no stockpiled cloaks etc.).
Oookaay!?
I was on a laptop this time and have been unable to find any spelling errors, the only things in red are our usernames and a few other words like 'hick's' or 'spellcheck'.
Maybe, maybe not, I'm generally more accommodating prior to 10pm and in real life. Also, feel free not to let it be the last word if you feel you have anything more to say.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Here's some data from the FBI: https://vault.fbi.gov/Project Blue Book (UFO) /Project Blue Book (UFO) part 1 of 1/view
Page 4 is most interesting. It's a tally of reports collected, and how many the Air Force was not able to identify(701 out of 12618 or 5.5%).
The Air Force collected 84k pages of information related to UFO sightings. That was just from 1947 to 1969 when PBB was officially canceled. I suspect that UFO sightings are still investigated but not in the same manner. Why? Well it doesn't require the government to "believe", it requires them to want to know what actually happened. Was it a sighting of a U2? Was it a sighting of a Russian spy drone? THAT is a very good reason to investigate the report even if you don't "believe".
EDIT: If you want to read more: http://www.bluebookarchive.org/
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Hast thou not felt ashamed of thy words and deeds
Hast thou not lacked vigor
Hast thou exerted all possible efforts
Hast thou not become slothful
Have at it and go wild. Ought to be enough to make a hat strong enough to block out the reptoid mind control beams.
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What data? Did you recover it from Atlantis? Was it about the correct aliment of crop circles?
Oh, it was weapons data, ray guns? Phasers? Micowaves?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Military lasers (such as the Airborne Laser) and microwave systems (such as the Active Denial System) are a fact.
NOoooooo that only helps to read your mind, like a huge antenna.
Just tell me about that huge jet black plane that can swirl the clouds under it with it's engines. I know that was a Area 51 project, I seen it.
Glad to see you have a sense of humor. Most people over on Zone would've had a cow over such teasing.
On a more serious note...
I take a middle of the road approach when dealing with the issue of U.F.O.s. I've seen things in the sky over the years that were not readily identifiable. Not only from the ground in civilian life, but also as a single engine licensed civilian pilot, in the military, and in my law enforcement career. At least a couple were certifiably non-identifiable (not misidentified aircraft, weather phenomena, satellites, etc. etc.). Things that behaved and looking like nothing natural or man made.
The Old Man (my late Pops) was in the USAF from the late 1960's through the late '70's. His MOS involved radar and he participated in ELINT seeker and early AEW operations (EC-121 "Warning Stars") in Southeast Asia during the war. After Vietnam, he pulled a stint at a dome in Alaska that was part of the DEW Line during the Cold War, and even had a brief stint at Cheyenne Mountain toward the end of his time in the Air Force. When I was younger, he told me a few stories about odd radar tracks, weird TRIBBLE he and his buddies had seen in the skies, and even one incident in Alaska that involve F-4Es being scrambled to check out a radar target that was behaving in an unusual manner, and getting a bit close to a secure radar facility on the DEW Line. Intercepts of Soviet aircraft over the Straits was so routine, that nobody fretted about it. But in this instance, they were debriefed and told not to discuss the matter (even among themselves). In his account, the behavior of the track and the debriefing convinced him it was a UFO incident. He told me that the usual procedure when dealing with reports and incidents involving military personnel in those days, was to debrief, tell everybody to shut up, file it, and forget about it. The Air Force hated dealing with the headaches the subject always bought up.
Based on all of that, I try to take an open minded and balanced view. Do I believe in a conspiracy to cover up UFO visitations? No I do not. Do I believe in all that other TRIBBLE about reverse engineering and possession of EBEs and technology? No I do not. I don't believe in occult nonsense about secret government UFO agencies, secret alliances with ETs, "Men in Black", alien abductions, experimentation, hybrids, and all that other horseshit.
I do believe that it's entirely possible that we are being visited, and ET's are checking us out. Not an absolute, but a possibility. And the reason that U.S. Military (and Federal Government in general) is so evasive and stand-offish about U.F.O.s, is that they simply don't know what the true "unidentifieds" really are, are of the opinion they pose no national security risk, and just don't want to have to waste time, money, and manpower dealing with it. Which is what the public will demand they do if they seriously acknowledge the issue of U.F.O.s at all.
The wild and crazy conspiracy theories/claims, some from the most well known faces in Ufology, are not doing the field any service whatsoever. It could've become a legitimate field of study, and not a pseudoscience, if it wasn't for all of the fear mongers, crackpots, and profiteers over the years. Now, there is no chance of a serious study of actual cases of unidentified flying objects in the scientific community. It's a joke at best. A poison pill, at worst. Which is a shame, since it's a facinating subject.
What I sent was nuclear weapon targeting data, actually - that was my job at HQ SAC, and as a (very junior) member of the Joint Strategic Target Planning Staff (JSTPS). Had to make sure that if the balloon went up, all the weapons would get where they were supposed to go, not blow each other up on the way. And by early '86, the B-2 project had advanced to the point that the Air Force was prepared to deploy them in the event of nuclear war.
You're a very interesting person @jonsills .
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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So is a a sperm whale suddenly being called into existence several miles above the surface of an alien planet.