The wild and crazy conspiracy theories/claims, some from the most well known faces in Ufology, are not doing the field any service whatsoever. It could've become a legitimate field of study, and not a pseudoscience, if it wasn't for all of the fear mongers, crackpots, and profiteers over the years. Now, there is no chance of a serious study of actual cases of unidentified flying objects in the scientific community. It's a joke at best. A poison pill, at worst. Which is a shame, since it's a facinating subject.
This is why I like Bluebook. It's a serious study of stuff, and the military version didn't try to pass of fanciful theories. Not as well read on the new civilian continuation.
Blue Book was the best official study ever done. But it was shut down because the USAF got tired of appropriating funds for it, when it was felt the money would be better spent elsewhere.
The wild and crazy conspiracy theories/claims, some from the most well known faces in Ufology, are not doing the field any service whatsoever. It could've become a legitimate field of study, and not a pseudoscience, if it wasn't for all of the fear mongers, crackpots, and profiteers over the years. Now, there is no chance of a serious study of actual cases of unidentified flying objects in the scientific community. It's a joke at best. A poison pill, at worst. Which is a shame, since it's a facinating subject.
This is why I like Bluebook. It's a serious study of stuff, and the military version didn't try to pass of fanciful theories. Not as well read on the new civilian continuation.
Blue Book was the best official study ever done. But it was shut down because the USAF got tired of appropriating funds for it, when it was felt the money would be better spent elsewhere.
And sadly a lot of people dismiss Bluebook as a cover-up.... And I think the government does still pay attention, just not in the form of an official study of UFOs. Instead they treat "UFO" sightings as they would any other sort of "what was that"? moment.
In all reality, I do believe in UFOs - and I also believe they're advanced aerosuperiority vehicles belonging to several countries of Earth. In fact, I believe at the end of WW2, the Axis powers experimented with advanced electromagnetic propulsions. Of course they never managed to produce anything that actually flew more then 5 ft from the ground - but the scientists responsible for that research, as well as the ones creating V1/V2 rockets actually ended up in the States and Russia after the war, quite possible continuing their designs in countries with much better funding and much less stressful penalty for errors. Did this produce anything? Well, without them we wouldn't have rockets carrying shuttles in space, so it definitely bore fruit right there. Did they produced some high-tech advanced propulsion crafts? Don't know, but UFOs aren't mass hysteria thing, they do exist but they're something you'd expect to be natural progression of human design, not something out of this world. So yeah, I believe it's all human made. Fascinating crafts but just that - experimental crafts that may, or may not ever get out to the public and into full production.
The most sure sign that intelligent alien life is out there is that it hasn't interacted with us... Then again, i'm sure humanity could very well be the joke of the universe since next to everything we do is a contradiction (nations at peace try to one up each other to get the upper hand, still have missiles aimed at each other even though we're supposed to "trust" each other, the only real difference between adulthood and childhood being you don't normally go to school and you have your own house and bills, but believe me, the same social niches exist, there's still drama, albiet toned down significantly and made out to be more subtle...
if there are aliens...they're not the brightest star in the bunch, i'd only visit earth either for a laugh or to use as an example of what NOT to do with your existance
#TextWallsAreRealMan... no doubt you could build a couple text houses with all dese wallz
I love how people think just because hypothetical spacefaring societies would exceed us in most areas, that somehow makes them morally and ethically superior to Humanity.
Technological progress doesn't determine how much of a dickhead you are. Mankind is proof of that. The mugger with the switchblade is just as much an TRIBBLE as the caveman waiting in the bushes with a club, to bean a more successful hunter and steal his stuffz.
Some people have this crazy idea that a civilization of warmongers would wipe itself out before it developed the tech to leave their planet. But finding new frontiers to conquer seems like a great reason for it.
Some people have this crazy idea that a civilization of warmongers would wipe itself out before it developed the tech to leave their planet. But finding new frontiers to conquer seems like a great reason for it.
sure, just look at the klingons, or the yuuzhan vong, or the vulfar from stardrive
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Some people have this crazy idea that a civilization of warmongers would wipe itself out before it developed the tech to leave their planet. But finding new frontiers to conquer seems like a great reason for it.
Yes. But we have had the ability to pretty much destroy ourselves or at least our civilization, if not our species, for a few decades now, and we have not used it.
There are some that worry that there are religious nutjobs that want to bring the apocalypse as soon as possible and if they ever get their hands at the Russian or US nuclear codes or something like that, they'd do it - but so far we were good enough at filtering any crazy enough to do that out.
My guess is - evolution works. It has put us on a path were we are still aggressive, but not so aggressive that we really destroy ourselves on a large scale, and isolate those that might still be aggressive enough before they can get to the really dangerous toys, and otherwise channel our aggressiveness to help us last longer.
We need to remain vigilant, but we have the capacity to do so.
And if I am proven wrong... Well, I won't have to live with it.
That said... I think realistically, there is no economical potential in waging interstellar wars. Space Travel and Wars are very costly and it takes a long time to recoup any cost - it might be easier to pick a spot where there aren't creatures to have wars with. Of course, that doesn't remove the possibility of space religions and ideologies deciding that the other species are bad and should feel bad, or better yet, feel dead. But they might also have gone through my aforementioned "aggressiveness" filter and not manage to get that far with that attitude.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
You do realise that it is just now that we have discovered Hitler did indeed escape the Fall of Berlin?
Aliens have visited us, I agree. Are they giving us tech? I doubt it. Are they involved? likely not. What are they doing? I don't know, but I know that we are not alone.
Some people have this crazy idea that a civilization of warmongers would wipe itself out before it developed the tech to leave their planet. But finding new frontiers to conquer seems like a great reason for it.
sure, just look at the klingons, or the yuuzhan vong, or the vulfar from stardrive
Or the Rahta. /shamelessplugforhismod
It definitely makes sense - if you assume that a hypothetical means of easy interstellar travel exists, then a civilization like that might decide (either as a whole, or guided by a few slightly wiser ones) to conquer other worlds in order to maintain their own unity.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
I dunno about interstellar war being uneconomical. It all depends on how expensive and time consuming travel is. But "expensive" is in terms of that race's GDP. A race that can strip-mine asteroids has a lot more resources to work with than one that has never left their HW at all. And it's a logical intermediate step before interstellar travel.
Some people have this crazy idea that a civilization of warmongers would wipe itself out before it developed the tech to leave their planet. But finding new frontiers to conquer seems like a great reason for it.
sure, just look at the klingons, or the yuuzhan vong, or the vulfar from stardrive
Or the Rahta. /shamelessplugforhismod
It definitely makes sense - if you assume that a hypothetical means of easy interstellar travel exists, then a civilization like that might decide (either as a whole, or guided by a few slightly wiser ones) to conquer other worlds in order to maintain their own unity.
for which game? i've never heard of the rahta before, so it can't be a mod i've come across for any of the games i own or have done extensive research on (of course, i don't know about every mod made for such games, so it may have been one i missed)
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
I dunno about interstellar war being uneconomical. It all depends on how expensive and time consuming travel is. But "expensive" is in terms of that race's GDP. A race that can strip-mine asteroids has a lot more resources to work with than one that has never left their HW at all. And it's a logical intermediate step before interstellar travel.
Some people have this crazy idea that a civilization of warmongers would wipe itself out before it developed the tech to leave their planet. But finding new frontiers to conquer seems like a great reason for it.
sure, just look at the klingons, or the yuuzhan vong, or the vulfar from stardrive
Or the Rahta. /shamelessplugforhismod
It definitely makes sense - if you assume that a hypothetical means of easy interstellar travel exists, then a civilization like that might decide (either as a whole, or guided by a few slightly wiser ones) to conquer other worlds in order to maintain their own unity.
for which game? i've never heard of the rahta before, so it can't be a mod i've come across for any of the games i own or have done extensive research on (of course, i don't know about every mod made for such games, so it may have been one i missed)
Uh, the Alternate Balance Expansion Mod for Star Ruler 2. Largest (or second largest) mod on the Workshop, definitely the biggest one on ModDB, and slightly slowing down in its development.
They're basically a bunch of Klingon-like warriors who use an alien shipwreck to avert a civil war by going out to find other aliens to conquer. (The dialogue in their backstory also contains a considerable amount of Star Trek and Stargate references alike...)
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
that would be why i've never heard of it - i've never given star ruler 2 so much as a single glance before now
(btw, can you actually destroy stars in that game? the screenshot at http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=232555961 would seem to suggest yes, but the comments for it suggest otherwise, that destroyable stars aren't in SR2 - but apparently were in the first game)
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
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Blue Book was the best official study ever done. But it was shut down because the USAF got tired of appropriating funds for it, when it was felt the money would be better spent elsewhere.
Everybody likes a little TRIBBLE, but nobody likes a smart TRIBBLE.
My character Tsin'xing
Reality has a well known sarcasm bias.
In all reality, I do believe in UFOs - and I also believe they're advanced aerosuperiority vehicles belonging to several countries of Earth. In fact, I believe at the end of WW2, the Axis powers experimented with advanced electromagnetic propulsions. Of course they never managed to produce anything that actually flew more then 5 ft from the ground - but the scientists responsible for that research, as well as the ones creating V1/V2 rockets actually ended up in the States and Russia after the war, quite possible continuing their designs in countries with much better funding and much less stressful penalty for errors. Did this produce anything? Well, without them we wouldn't have rockets carrying shuttles in space, so it definitely bore fruit right there. Did they produced some high-tech advanced propulsion crafts? Don't know, but UFOs aren't mass hysteria thing, they do exist but they're something you'd expect to be natural progression of human design, not something out of this world. So yeah, I believe it's all human made. Fascinating crafts but just that - experimental crafts that may, or may not ever get out to the public and into full production.
My 2 cents. Also nice thread OP.
Indeed it is.
Reality also allows for endless possible answers and change. Things can change when new information becomes available.
Mwahahahahahahaha
My character Tsin'xing
I think the poster meant to leave this link.
+1
Technological progress doesn't determine how much of a dickhead you are. Mankind is proof of that. The mugger with the switchblade is just as much an TRIBBLE as the caveman waiting in the bushes with a club, to bean a more successful hunter and steal his stuffz.
My character Tsin'xing
sure, just look at the klingons, or the yuuzhan vong, or the vulfar from stardrive
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Yes. But we have had the ability to pretty much destroy ourselves or at least our civilization, if not our species, for a few decades now, and we have not used it.
There are some that worry that there are religious nutjobs that want to bring the apocalypse as soon as possible and if they ever get their hands at the Russian or US nuclear codes or something like that, they'd do it - but so far we were good enough at filtering any crazy enough to do that out.
My guess is - evolution works. It has put us on a path were we are still aggressive, but not so aggressive that we really destroy ourselves on a large scale, and isolate those that might still be aggressive enough before they can get to the really dangerous toys, and otherwise channel our aggressiveness to help us last longer.
We need to remain vigilant, but we have the capacity to do so.
And if I am proven wrong... Well, I won't have to live with it.
That said... I think realistically, there is no economical potential in waging interstellar wars. Space Travel and Wars are very costly and it takes a long time to recoup any cost - it might be easier to pick a spot where there aren't creatures to have wars with. Of course, that doesn't remove the possibility of space religions and ideologies deciding that the other species are bad and should feel bad, or better yet, feel dead. But they might also have gone through my aforementioned "aggressiveness" filter and not manage to get that far with that attitude.
Aliens have visited us, I agree. Are they giving us tech? I doubt it. Are they involved? likely not. What are they doing? I don't know, but I know that we are not alone.
Or the Rahta. /shamelessplugforhismod
It definitely makes sense - if you assume that a hypothetical means of easy interstellar travel exists, then a civilization like that might decide (either as a whole, or guided by a few slightly wiser ones) to conquer other worlds in order to maintain their own unity.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
My character Tsin'xing
for which game? i've never heard of the rahta before, so it can't be a mod i've come across for any of the games i own or have done extensive research on (of course, i don't know about every mod made for such games, so it may have been one i missed)
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
bingo.
Uh, the Alternate Balance Expansion Mod for Star Ruler 2. Largest (or second largest) mod on the Workshop, definitely the biggest one on ModDB, and slightly slowing down in its development.
They're basically a bunch of Klingon-like warriors who use an alien shipwreck to avert a civil war by going out to find other aliens to conquer. (The dialogue in their backstory also contains a considerable amount of Star Trek and Stargate references alike...)
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
(btw, can you actually destroy stars in that game? the screenshot at http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=232555961 would seem to suggest yes, but the comments for it suggest otherwise, that destroyable stars aren't in SR2 - but apparently were in the first game)
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Watch the video, lots of info given.