Best space set outside of the reputation sets?

tomoyosakagami1 · November 2015

I just recently made a tactical character and I'm pretty awful at it, not my cup of tea when I'm so used to the resiliency Science offers, I've played Science for years but I decided to try something new.

Currently I use the Sol Set on my T5-U Vesta but slowly making my way towards the Terran Rep Space Set. With my tactical starting off fresh, I need something to get things going until I can start working on reputation.

Between Dyson, Sol and the new Stormbound sets, which one of these would work best for tactical? Or do any of them work with the other sets? I currently switch between using an Odyssey and my T5 Artimage.

lamyrs · November 2015

I don't understand. You are a tac captain that fly in a T5-U Vesta but you want a tac set for your ship?

samt1996 · November 2015

Well, the Sol defense set is very good, so is the new mission set.

Staying alive isn't so much about sets anymore you just need to stock up on passives and traits. I've played tactical since launch in a variety of ships without much trouble. It's especially easy now.

When in doubt armor consoles and plenty of them, cram em into your ship like french fries at a fat camp!

kontarnus · November 2015

*scratches head*
Best set outside of Rep sets. So, episode rewards?
For a tactical officer, the Jem Hadar set is not bad. Easily attained.

warmaker001b · November 2015

"Best" set is way too open ended a question, and even then can be subject to people's opinions big time.

The optimal sets depend on the ship, build, and preferred playstyle.

I simply adore my full Iconian Resistance Space Set for general combat. But on a science heavy build, it's a useless set. Even with a regular combat build, you'll have guys pointing to different sets, set combinations on what they believe is best for standard combat.

kontarnus · November 2015

warmaker001b wrote: »

"Best" set is way too open ended a question, and even then can be subject to people's opinions big time.

The optimal sets depend on the ship, build, and preferred playstyle.

I simply adore my full Iconian Resistance Space Set for general combat. But on a science heavy build, it's a useless set. Even with a regular combat build, you'll have guys pointing to different sets, set combinations on what they believe is best for standard combat.

non-rep set. new character. don't klingons read?

warmaker001b · November 2015

kontarnus wrote: »

warmaker001b wrote: »

"Best" set is way too open ended a question, and even then can be subject to people's opinions big time.

The optimal sets depend on the ship, build, and preferred playstyle.

I simply adore my full Iconian Resistance Space Set for general combat. But on a science heavy build, it's a useless set. Even with a regular combat build, you'll have guys pointing to different sets, set combinations on what they believe is best for standard combat.

non-rep set. new character. don't klingons read?

What part of a set being optimal for a ship, build, and playstyle do you not understand? You take Solanae Space Set outside of an Exotic Damage / Particle Gens build and it's a pointless set. Have the standards fallen that far behind in Starfleet Academy?

nikephorus · November 2015

Kobali set is very tanky if you're having survivability issues. On alt characters I tend to use kobali 2 or 3 piece with the solenae shield. I can't really speak to what set is «best» as is varies depending on your build.

warmaker001b · November 2015

nikephorus wrote: »

Kobali set is very tanky if you're having survivability issues. On alt characters I tend to use kobali 2 or 3 piece with the solenae shield. I can't really speak to what set is «best» as is varies depending on your build.

Hey kontarnus, check what this guy said. My goodness...

kontarnus · November 2015

Well, I think it's safe to assume that Tomoyo is aware of the obvious, and understands the "what's best for your build" idea.

A new Tac, and non-rep set recommendation. Sounds pretty clear to me. No need to give Tomoyo the "well you really should be thinking about what is best for your build" beginner talk, don't you think?

You read the OP and then you give a recommendation. Period. That's all that's asked for. Read.

OR, you ask more specific questions about which direction the build is going to go, and make more specific recommendations.

Choose your method, based on how much time you want to spend on it. I chose mine.

nikephorus · November 2015

People come here and ask general questions like what is «best» when there isn't really an answer. It's even more difficult without an idea on what kind of build he's using. A tac in a vesta is already a tad unconventional. Let's be honest, any of the new non rep space sets would be fine.

e30ernest · November 2015

kontarnus wrote: »

Well, I think it's safe to assume that Tomoyo is aware of the obvious, and understands the "what's best for your build" idea.

A new Tac, and non-rep set recommendation. Sounds pretty clear to me. No need to give Tomoyo the "well you really should be thinking about what is best for your build" beginner talk, don't you think?

Well there are a number of ways he can build his Vesta. Is it just an all-out beam setup, a torpedo boat? Is he gunning for exotic damage? Is he setting up for a drain build? Is he after getting a bit more survivability? All of these are viable options for a tac in a Vesta.

Without more knowledge on what he wants to accomplish with his build, then it is very difficult to make a recommendation on set items.

aesica · November 2015

I'd say pretty much this:

Upon hitting 50: Get your free Solanae set.
Upon hitting 60: It's really up to you and how you want to play, as others have said. The Kobali set has some great defensive and healing value, Sol Defense looks pretty useful overall, and the new mission set looks like it'll be good for heavy-science use. In a Vesta, I'd probably be going for the newest one or the Kobali one if I wanted to focus more on survival.
With the Kobali set, the shield is kind of lame. Unless you want as much of the set bonus as possible, you may want to look at one of the other set shields (Solanae, Sol Defense, Jem'hadar)

I only know so much about the free sets, as rep sets (mainly the newer ones) are pretty much superior. For example, when compared to the mission reward shields, the Iconian rep shields automatic debuff-cleanse, have 20% damage reduction (I think that's the number...), and the ability to automatically come back online when temporarily disabled. Mission reward shields, in comparison, are only have 10% damage reduction and extra benefits that are significantly less gamechanging.

sennahcherib · November 2015

if you have enough ec, you can also buy the aegis set. the shield is very good. I use it for all my toons, and if you are in a fleet, you can buy fleet stuff at least a shield and a warpcore

gradii · November 2015

kontarnus wrote: »

warmaker001b wrote: »

"Best" set is way too open ended a question, and even then can be subject to people's opinions big time.

The optimal sets depend on the ship, build, and preferred playstyle.

I simply adore my full Iconian Resistance Space Set for general combat. But on a science heavy build, it's a useless set. Even with a regular combat build, you'll have guys pointing to different sets, set combinations on what they believe is best for standard combat.

non-rep set. new character. don't klingons read?

They do but they read klingon.

tomoyosakagami1 · November 2015

No I use the T5-U Vesta on my science captain. I'm switching between Odyssey and the T5 Artimage on my tactical captain.

I don't know the new meta for tactical characters, that's why I'm asking for what sets work best with others that aren't reputation sets.

What would be ideal for an Odyssey and Artimage based on more experienced tact characters.

sennahcherib · November 2015

if you really want a set from the FE, take the sol defense set. the mission is not boring, and this set is very good.

http://sto.gamepedia.com/Desperate_Defenses

whamhammer1 · November 2015

The Odyssey and Armitage are pretty much two worlds apart, but there is somethings you can try as a basic "test set", to gage survivablity.

1) Kobali set, tank, quick and easy to get

2) Load up on neutronium engineer consoles

3) Pay attention to your play style. If you habitually run into the middle of a swarm of bad guys, thats not going to help you, stay on the periphery of the horde and whittle ther numbers down, if you can, use gravity well (if can be added to your build) to cut thier maneuverabilty down as well. On the Armitage, I'd use Danube or Yellowstone runabouts for thier abilities to slow down the enemies too.

lamyrs · November 2015

sennahcherib wrote: »

if you really want a set from the FE, take the sol defense set. the mission is not boring, and this set is very good.

http://sto.gamepedia.com/Desperate_Defenses

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

farmallm · November 2015

You could make the Tac fly the Vesta and be good at it. Just have to set your traits and build right. I took a Romulan Tac and fly a D'Deridex. It holds up really well for what I can do with it. Plus with a DHC mounted on it. Just be ready for some skill training to make her fly. It was a big learning curve, but after time I made it work for me.

I mostly used the Jem'Hadar set on my Tacs. I hadn't tried the Solonea set yet. The Kobali and Sol Defender is both good to use. On my Romulan ship I use the Romulan set (Both). So that ship is really sweet.

seaofsorrows · November 2015

tomoyosakagami1 wrote: »

I don't know the new meta for tactical characters, that's why I'm asking for what sets work best with others that aren't reputation sets.

Here is the problem with this question. You are asking for the 'meta' for Tactical Captains that aren't rep sets.. that doesn't exist. The 'meta' is a rep set, it's the Iconian Resistance set.

I understand that the issue is that you have not climbed all the way up the Reputation Ladder yet and you don't have access, that's fine. Honestly, you should stick with the Solane set while you go through the process and then once you unlock T5, switch to the Iconian set. The reason almost everyone uses it, it because it's simply the best set right now for Tactical Captains.

You could craft some gear, or buy some crafted stuff off the exchange, but it seems a waste of resources to buy something that will eventually be inferior to what you'll unlock using the rep system.

The Rep set is the meta, there is no 'non rep meta' it doesn't exist. Most people roll with whatever they get from drops or mission rewards until they unlock what they actually want in the Reputation System. Don't waste your EC, Dil, etc on something you'll just want to throw away later. Solane is fine for now, and it cost you nothing to get it. It's good enough to roll with until you can get what you actually want.

melineaaele · November 2015

seaofsorrows wrote: »

tomoyosakagami1 wrote: »

I don't know the new meta for tactical characters, that's why I'm asking for what sets work best with others that aren't reputation sets.

Here is the problem with this question. You are asking for the 'meta' for Tactical Captains that aren't rep sets.. that doesn't exist. The 'meta' is a rep set, it's the Iconian Resistance set.

I understand that the issue is that you have not climbed all the way up the Reputation Ladder yet and you don't have access, that's fine. Honestly, you should stick with the Solane set while you go through the process and then once you unlock T5, switch to the Iconian set. The reason almost everyone uses it, it because it's simply the best set right now for Tactical Captains.

You could craft some gear, or buy some crafted stuff off the exchange, but it seems a waste of resources to buy something that will eventually be inferior to what you'll unlock using the rep system.

The Rep set is the meta, there is no 'non rep meta' it doesn't exist. Most people roll with whatever they get from drops or mission rewards until they unlock what they actually want in the Reputation System. Don't waste your EC, Dil, etc on something you'll just want to throw away later. Solane is fine for now, and it cost you nothing to get it. It's good enough to roll with until you can get what you actually want.

This..

I like to run 2part kobali with fleet core/shield.. Then replace with Iconian as I unlock the tiers..

questerius · November 2015

I feel the absolute zero set (breen 4-piece) deserves a mention:
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Breen_Absolute_Zero

It may not be the "best" but it is fun and suits a science vessel.

Another option, if you don't want to go with the standard sol or kobali (or the space set from the latest FE) is to use the Jem Hadar space set.

gradii · November 2015

questerius wrote: »

I feel the absolute zero set (breen 4-piece) deserves a mention:
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Breen_Absolute_Zero

It may not be the "best" but it is fun and suits a science vessel.

It also works well with transphasic torpedoes.

tousseau · November 2015

On my Breen Carrier, I like the 2 Breen/2 Jem Hadar setup fir the damage boost to both transphasic and poloron damage boosts.

gabeoz1 · November 2015

The Sol Defense set is pretty good, I use the Sol Defense shields myself, and don't regret it.

zalan07 · November 2015

I like to use the Koballi warp core. Upgraded to ultra rare you get AMP. The shield capicator can get you back up to 90% shields as an emergency heal even after the Borg have completely drained your shields.

markhawkman · November 2015

the Jem engines have a sweet turn rate boost too.

kjwashington · November 2015

From your OP, it seems you're looking for a set to help give you a little bit of extra tankiness. If that's true, I would stick with the sol defense seat, or get the kobali set, as they are the two tankiest free sets.

aesica · November 2015

zalan07 wrote: »

I like to use the Koballi warp core. Upgraded to ultra rare you get AMP. The shield capicator can get you back up to 90% shields as an emergency heal even after the Borg have completely drained your shields.

You can't get that from missions, though. It came with the Kobali cruiser, which was a limited-time event reward.

tomoyosakagami1 · November 2015

Yes, I wouldn't be able to take full advantage of the Kobali set since I wasn't around for that ship, neither was I around for the Delta Rising event, or every winter event that has ever happened though I'll be able to do this one.

I know everyone keeps saying the reputation sets are the best, that's pretty obvious, you know it and I know it, but my tactical character doesn't, I know which rep sets are ideal for Science as it's my main career.

I'm not fond of having to start off fresh from scratch, main reason why I only ever play one character ( Fed Science ). Some of these comments have been helpful, others brush off what I ask and give out the obvious answers ( rep sets ).

I am not worried about the reputation sets, I don't think I'll be able to get Iconian at all since the Iconians STFs are dead and the time it would take to grind the Mirror STFs for Iconian/8472/Delta marks let alone grind the marks needed to get the specific item needed to get ground/space sets would take too long.

Best space set outside of the reputation sets?

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