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How you can tell if someone is lazy or afk in Mirror event
gpatton3
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Probably too late with the event coming to an end. However after careful evaluation, I found these traits were the common ones among those who just sat and watched so they got free marks/dil or whatever.
EDIT: This is for those who go afk/lazy at the very start or a few minutes in. This does not apply to those who rest after 25 rifts are shut and you are in that 2-5 minute wait for the game to move forward to the final phase
1. If they are in a frigate or less than T5 ship. This trait has disappeared in the last few weeks. They usually would start however in a frigate or light craft. Now for some this isn't true but look at other measures.
2. They keep their shields down the entire match and they don't have a cloakable ship. Yes shields drop when cloaked. However if they stay that way the entire match you should look at where or what they are doing.
3. Check the que for the Adv. version of the mirror event. Every single person who I have caught AFK or lazy there was no game going and not enough people in the Adv. que at the start of the match.
4. Ship damage. You want to be at your best for an event like this. Would you go in with 3, 5, 7, 10 damaged systems on your ship, especially considering there is a 30 min cooldown and repairs are free! Once again, this is a 100% match with those who are lazy or afk.
5. Self destruct. A new trait appearing is the ship with full shields will all of a sudden have to respawn. Saw that last few days.
6. Respawning doesn't take 5 min. If a person who has died takes more than a minute to return, guess what you have an afk/lazy person on your team.
7. Ship doesn't move! When you are on a mission keep an eye out for a ship whose distance doesn't change at all when you have come to a stop. That can be a warning sign that can easily be confirmed by making a fly by of them.
8. They think they can play hide and seek by hiding behind a power relay. I have several, well mods would erase what I would call them, so I have to use the word, not so sly as they think they are, captains, who will hide behind a relay for a match. Once again a dead giveaway since in most cases you can't activate the relay from behind it.
Solution:
Too late now to have much effect and cryptic/pwe won't do anything about it, so we players need to do something.
1. All leave a match with an afker. They want to sit and wait to collect their bounty, make them then wait the entire match, all 15min plus cutscene time and get very little marks. Sure it might mean you have to spend that time a second time, but feel assured, they won't get the reward as large as they thought.
2. Wall of Shame. We should consider creating a wall of shame, with screen shots and logs. Now this probably wouldn't work due to the photoshopping skills of many gamers. However we should find a way to show that the person and their fleet they represent on this wall of shame. I don't know of any fleet who would want to see their name associated with those who are going afk during a match where you can get by with 4, but 5 is really much better. Just like they do to shame those who commit a certain crime, maybe it is time we shame those who do this (maybe for the next time). Maybe even go as far as having fleets sign a pact that they will not allow any member of their fleet, while under fleet status, to do this stupid afk/lazy act.
So what do you think or is the community willing to look the other way and say well cryptic/pwe says it doesn't violate the rules. Well playing fair, being honest, etc. aren't listed in the terms, but it is expected. Maybe in the last few days we can start the action of calling out captains and their fleet for being afk/lazy.
EDIT: This is for those who go afk/lazy at the very start or a few minutes in. This does not apply to those who rest after 25 rifts are shut and you are in that 2-5 minute wait for the game to move forward to the final phase
1. If they are in a frigate or less than T5 ship. This trait has disappeared in the last few weeks. They usually would start however in a frigate or light craft. Now for some this isn't true but look at other measures.
2. They keep their shields down the entire match and they don't have a cloakable ship. Yes shields drop when cloaked. However if they stay that way the entire match you should look at where or what they are doing.
3. Check the que for the Adv. version of the mirror event. Every single person who I have caught AFK or lazy there was no game going and not enough people in the Adv. que at the start of the match.
4. Ship damage. You want to be at your best for an event like this. Would you go in with 3, 5, 7, 10 damaged systems on your ship, especially considering there is a 30 min cooldown and repairs are free! Once again, this is a 100% match with those who are lazy or afk.
5. Self destruct. A new trait appearing is the ship with full shields will all of a sudden have to respawn. Saw that last few days.
6. Respawning doesn't take 5 min. If a person who has died takes more than a minute to return, guess what you have an afk/lazy person on your team.
7. Ship doesn't move! When you are on a mission keep an eye out for a ship whose distance doesn't change at all when you have come to a stop. That can be a warning sign that can easily be confirmed by making a fly by of them.
8. They think they can play hide and seek by hiding behind a power relay. I have several, well mods would erase what I would call them, so I have to use the word, not so sly as they think they are, captains, who will hide behind a relay for a match. Once again a dead giveaway since in most cases you can't activate the relay from behind it.
Solution:
Too late now to have much effect and cryptic/pwe won't do anything about it, so we players need to do something.
1. All leave a match with an afker. They want to sit and wait to collect their bounty, make them then wait the entire match, all 15min plus cutscene time and get very little marks. Sure it might mean you have to spend that time a second time, but feel assured, they won't get the reward as large as they thought.
2. Wall of Shame. We should consider creating a wall of shame, with screen shots and logs. Now this probably wouldn't work due to the photoshopping skills of many gamers. However we should find a way to show that the person and their fleet they represent on this wall of shame. I don't know of any fleet who would want to see their name associated with those who are going afk during a match where you can get by with 4, but 5 is really much better. Just like they do to shame those who commit a certain crime, maybe it is time we shame those who do this (maybe for the next time). Maybe even go as far as having fleets sign a pact that they will not allow any member of their fleet, while under fleet status, to do this stupid afk/lazy act.
So what do you think or is the community willing to look the other way and say well cryptic/pwe says it doesn't violate the rules. Well playing fair, being honest, etc. aren't listed in the terms, but it is expected. Maybe in the last few days we can start the action of calling out captains and their fleet for being afk/lazy.
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Also had somebody go ballistic because I was doing more than my share in Mirror - total opposite of AFK. Then they accused me of not closing enough portals, yet I closed at least a dozen or more. LOL
But seriously, if the station lose all 10 hp, you close maybe 10 rifts, and don't get the station up to power level 5 and perhaps can't kill the dreadnought in less than 5, you get between I think is somewhere around 75-85 marks instead of 110 or higher for a really good run. Now doing your math, that means if you went with being happy about 75-85 marks, and I 110, and the number of that transponder/porter thingy didn't matter, you would be behind one good match of mine every 4 matches, approx.
Plus, whether timed or not, this event does require people to work as a team, the purpose of a team is all people on the team work towards a goal. Sitting afk/lazy means you are asking the team to go do the work. If you want to sit afk, why not have the guts and ask the team if they mind if you sit afk/lazy benefit from their work. If they say sure, then no problem.
Also to close rifts that are busy, if you are a good player and have the right ship gear, you draw the fire, while another ship sneaks in and closes the rift then helps finish off whats left, if you know what you are doing and have good gear/ship/skill. Or ignore those and go after the ones where skill/gear/ship quality aren't needed and you are assured to more than likely close them. Might sound sarcastic but trying to point out, isn't every game in essence, having good gear/ship/armor/etc so that you can beat stronger and overwhelming number of enemy/bad guys. If you just want to farm/mine, then wouldn't a farm simulator or staying in the safe zone of EVE or other game then be more to the liking of not fighting. No offense. Sure you know you can beat those 5-10 ships, but can you for real and not in your imagination.
For leechers I have zero tolerance or sympathy. I won't rage or nag them, but I will simply warp out and queue up again. If others on the team want to work for an AFKer's rewards, that's their decision.
I think I'll try to recruit some fleeties for a fully AFK run until it's dread time, just to see what it pays.
- Do these Special Events only with friends and fleet mates. That is, if you have any of these.
- Remember: Most of the playerbase is running this Event for the Dilithium. As soon as they get enough of the Special Event thingamabobs, they'll probably stop playing the Event.
- Remember: There are NO Bonuses for extra effort in this Event. You wanna do my share as well as yours? Knock yourself out then.
- Remember: This Event replaced a far better version of the Mirrior Invasion which was always fun and had better rewards for going above and beyond. This one? It is a time-gated snoozefest which has Obisek talking too much and no chance of failure. No matter how little I do.
- Remember: Not all of the the rest of us are as 1337 'Leet as you are, OP. Some of us have things like lives and jobs and girlfriends. Which means we probably treat STO as a game rather than a religious experience or lifestyle choice.
- Remember: Publicly indigant spluttering of your opinion of the rest of us and how we should adapt to service your needs and the methods you would use to enforce our behavior only rewards trolls.
I try really hard not to be any more of an TRIBBLE ingame than I normally am in RL. But of you're going to stand up and paint the crosshairs on your forehead, yeah, I'll take the shot. Hard for me to resist someone who volunteers.
Maybe Cryptic sholud additionally also reward as a daily 2 Elite Marks of your choice (4 on Elite) if you manage 2 optionals, say, close 20 rifts and 10/10 on the station. That might motivate people more, since an elite mark of your choice is just a very neat bonus - and it's not like achieving these optionals is really hard. It just doesn't allow AFKing.
Bottom line, if you don't want to deal with baddies hit up one of the DPS channels or form a team with fleetmates.
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Get over it
EDIT: I would also advise against encouraging people to 'name and shame', as this is a bannable offense
Pugging is pugging, its either decent, fair, or just TRIBBLE poor.
I had a group the other day for adv mirror, was amazing, station was at 8/10 health the entire time, we had about 25 plus rifts closed and all the station powered up, plus dreadnought down before timer. Walked away with almost 240 terran marks (plus daily) I say that was well worth my 15 minutes of game time for a group that knew how to run it, and I appreciate the rest of the teams effort on that run. Havent had a run like that since, but hey, makes for good memories!
Give me 5 ec for every time I see somebody with 3+ injuries in a queue and I will say "Thank you for the Vonph".
So?
Yap, I treat it as a game. That is why I want to actually PLAY the game and not "sit around, twiddle your thumbs, and wait to get something at the end of the day". The latter would be more akin to a job description (not mine, fortunately).
Funnily enough, Ricossa just stated that as one of the reasons - next to power creep - why NWS was scrapped. Players not playing the queue as a mission but as a way to optimize meta.
Sometimes I end up in a group that has to 4 man it because a 5th won't even load in until the last phase. The most recent involved a Scimitar that didn't load into the map until that point, moved around enough to count as participating, then left IMMEDIATELY after we finished the dreadnought.
They must have been doing something on the internet to kill those 10-11 minutes before the last phase because this wasn't an SNR situation. This was more of an idling "Press any key to continue" because STO was not the active window while you were loading situation.
I can honestly say that 99% of my Mirror runs have been pretty decent though, even if it was all PUG groups. Only had one this entire time where it was horrible. 4/5 were just killing things around the station, and I was running around like a chicken with my head cut off TRYING to power up the station and close rifts in a T6 Mogai and getting swarmed every step of the way. I'm no elitest DPS chaser, but honestly... that group made me look like one. I feel like I out DPSed them in a casual PvE build.
Luck of the draw. I just happened to draw the short straw that time. *shrug*
That's not his forehead
Here is the official description of the Mirror - AFK event
If you have a real life and are playing an online mmo or being so smart as to actually play games when you have other obligations, but don't want to actually play a mission, this is your que. We offer minimum marks for each 15 minutes you join and then 5 minutes to get back to choose your small 50 mark package and the 1 R/D Material. Even more special for you is that we will take you out of the map within 2 minutes of the match ending. Requirements are strict for queing, you must agree to not caring about the event or the other players and admitting you don't care a game is to be played not just something you leave on your screen to grow like a plant and deliver its fruit every 15 minutes after 30 min cooldown. Please be aware, if you move your ship or activate any power, you will be dropped from the map.
Okay now back to reality. Sure we all want it for the dil mostly, maybe some marks, maybe some special item (iffy?????) but for anyone to call afk a "play style" must call having kids a "drinking game". If you want to have space battles play on your screen, for no effort you can pop in an episode of space/scifi show and let it play on your screen for 15 min of your real life. If you don't have time to play a single 15 min mission, is it fair to tell the others in your pug, you go play while I go do something else. Why bother playing games at all? How did you even get to level 50, you had to move around and participate in those missions.
If I have any fleet mates? Yes I have them. No I am not going to impose upon them to fly a mission with me. Why? They have a life as well and things they want to do. Now how many people, who are active in their fleet, wouldn't respond to a request from a fleetie to help fly the event. If you actually belonged to a good fleet, you would have your team very fast. However you are taking away from them, 15 min of their time they might want to spend on finishing a story line.
Why don't we just get rid of pugs then? After all according to a poster above they are the problem.
I could care less what one does after they earn the dil reward. Of course most will stop playing. It is WHILE THIS EVENT IS NOT COMPLETE (meaning less than 14 days) that this complaint is leveled. Sure more lazy, afk players will appear after the 14th day of the event. However as a sign of respect, tell the team you don't intend to play but sit back and do your homework, play with your kids, have quality time with the family or whatever, so they can decide if they want to play a player down. Respect, courtesy, common sense, all traits that seem to be disappearing from humanity. I bet you would be ticked off if someone went afk during an stf and you failed.
Sure there are no extra benefits in the event final reward, there are however in the completion of each match. Whether you get a small amount of marks or a large amount depends on effort. If you don't care, then for an afk only match and all 5 of you can sit out and do nothing for 15 min and collect your nothing for 14 days.
Well I guess you are the type (refering to the poster who responded to the original op, I think you know who) who tells a pro sports team you might be coaching, remember who cares if you don't try, at the end of the day you still will get your paycheck. Or a police officer, just sit on your motorcycle in any spot you can't be seen for 8-10 hours, then return to the office log out and we will see you the next day, sound good?
Snoozefest, sure I agree these time gate events can turn out to be. NO ONE is forcing you to join the snoozefest. If you are so bored, don't join it. You have a real life, so you can simply buy 50K Dil off of those who want to carry your burden instead. This is a game however. If you don't care, then make your own game that showers you with rewards for just launching the game (ala Steam Trading cards)
the other event, if you are talking about that one that usually was destroy groups alpha, beta, gamma, delta, then go to enemy Stadi and kill, rinse and repeat. Most people knew that as how to level up your character quickly. So they actually worked at it because they got a benefit. They didn't go afk. If you don't like the event, don't join it.
Where did asking players who join a que to play and not just sit and have others do the work a "religious" or "lifestyle" choice? Yes this is a game. Yes it requires you to interact. Asking players who don't want to play the game or play as a member of team for 15 minutes, is not a religion or lifestyle choice. I am glad you have a real life and girlfriend, so then why are you bothering playing a game?? Why waste your real life time on booting up your computer to join a que for an event, why not pay someone to get your character up to level 60 and when big events occur, to have them do it for you???? I don't care about your real life, I care about when my gaming time is being ganked by others and in your case, if you don't have the time, then don't que.
"Remember: Publicly indigant spluttering of your opinion of the rest of us and how we should adapt to service your needs and the methods you would use to enforce our behavior only rewards trolls."
Service my needs? Hmm, you mean play a game, show common decency, not mooch off of others, not be a nothing more than a farmer like those companies we despise getting spammed with sale messages. I don't want you to adapt. If you don't want to play or your real life is such a burden, don't ask me to carry you or don't expect me to appreciate having to play a man down, no matter how snoozefest the event or mission is, I am assuming most of us, when we join an event are expecting 5 people who want to play, not 4 who do and 1 who wants to laugh at the screen with his girlfriend saying look at those idiots, all they have to do is just que up, and sit for 15 minutes, 1 time daily for 14 days, what a bunch of noobs playing a game, when playing isn't what a game is for.
Rewarding trolls? Do you mean pointing out people who figure games are activities where you sit on your duff and watch others work for you.
Put crosshairs on my head, for what, asking players to actually play in an optional, non-required event, geesh how silly of me. If you don't like the event, you don't have to que. You then can have those 15 minutes of snoozefest back to act out your real life, job or whatever. Actually you are that hunter that sticks his head up with antlers and that deer in the headlights look when they realize they look more like a deer than the hunter.
Also I don't have (I speak English here) elite skills. I don't worry about the numbers. I play the game for entertainment and fun purposes. Sure I know I would probably be walked over time and time again with someone just flying a bop and I am flying a Herald Dreadnought. However if I tried and had fun, that is what matters. If you don't want to play the match I am not forcing you to.
Play style, when did sitting and doing nothing in a team event that is not forced upon you, a play style. There is not style being used at all other than being lazy, inconsiderate, and not playing with your fellow team mates, whether pug or fleetie. You mean what you actual play style would be called if this was a real event in real life, a cow......... let your finish that.
The old mirror event was equally boring IMO. Fly in, make the four armadas explode, do the boss fight, leave. It didn't actually have what I considered to be good rewards. most people did it for xp and not the loot. It gave out loot the same way CE does now.
today I had a killer PUG run, no AFKers, and there was this guy flying an Olaen who seemed to be using a CSV vape build. I spent a lot of time just following him and closing portals.
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I just finished a Mirror Invasion Normal with an awesome team. We had that nice little interval before the Dreadnought arrives when you've closed all the rifts and killed all the mirror ships, you can just kind of hang out, load a fresh bowl, whatever.
And we actually got the best bonus score I have ever seen. I had seen 56 and 58 before, but this was the first time I had seen a perfect 60 marks on the bonus screen, where Obisex tells you how you did.
So sometimes you get a good team, and one of those makes up for a bunch of the less-good experiences. There's just something so satisfying about well-executed teamwork. I wonder if it's that pack hunter instinct from our dim and distant ancestors or what?
(a) There's the "Sunk Cost Principle" again. Do not take into account what you already put into it (say first run). The only question that should matter at that point in time is "Is the reward worth doing 13 runs (per toon)?". The one time you already played that queue you will not get back either way, so it's only what's left to do.
Would it have been a waste? Yes. But no need to waste more time because you already did.
And again, while I still see the psychological point somewhat: it was your decision to start it, not the one of the other players in the queue. So why should they have to suffer the consequences?
Neither are the Transdimensional Thingamabobs. Sure, they'll go on a holiday, but not away. Next ME they can still be traded in.
Yes, some part of the design is annoying me as well. But to the "damage stops me from doing anything" you can easily adapt with some simple strategies. Attack Pattern Expertise and similar help a little. Not going into the fray - or leaving it, even as a cruiser, to start working multiple close rifts from the edge. Don't get into a battle when a team mate has it covered to shoot 'em down faster - close rifts instead. And it ain't that much AoE. The escort does it but it will end. There's a Repulser, but once you're out of reach or it wears off, you can work again. Way more important than pew pew and you can still help cleaning up once the rifts are down.
I am here to play the game. Which aspects I will play on a certain day may be influenced by rewards (e. g. I will probably do the Featured Episode once a week, I will play certain episodes more often if I want the equipment). But for me the reason to log on is to play the game.