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Worth the wait. Worth the zen for the c-store one. Would buy again. A+++
ltcom pilot boff ability = awesome
special console = super duper awesome
ltcom pilot boff ability = awesome
special console = super duper awesome
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PvP hasn't been relevant in this game for a while, and doesn't really demonstrate a given ship's practical quality anywhere else.
I have to disagree with your opinion.
Full Uni-Hybrid BOff stations would have made it super duper awesome.
It doesn't.
So, it isn't.
RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
Hell yes PVP demonstrates a ship's potential. Far better than PVE. Because unlike NPCs, players don't sit there and let you have their way with them. Unlike NPCs, players can use abilities that nullify, mitigate your attacks. Unlike NPCs, players can fight back. Quite unpredictably at times.
You do know why Attack Pattern Beta is only good in PVE and practically useless in PVP? Player opponents can know that answer as well as other things, tactics to make your life harder.
Ships are put through the trials of fire in PVP because the demands are much more merciless in PVP. Flaws in a ship come shining through in PVP as players seek to exploit it. In PVE, flaws in a ship are masked because the NPCs are so dumb and barely do anything as you just keep attacking them. Players can learn the flaws of a ship and exploit it. NPCs don't, they just let you keep slapping them across the face as they do nothing in return.
The fact that players have taken and beaten higher end PVE content with T1 and T2 ships demonstrates enough how much PVE truly pushes the limits of a player and their ship.
If they even have time to react to a sneak sneak alpha strike attack. A lot of people seem to favor the ability to vaporize targets in a single attack, no matter what their opponent flies. Essentially negating EVERYTHING you mentioned a Player can do in response.
Only good PvP I've had was against players NOT set up for vape builds. That is a battle. Vape builds are just... why bother even being there?
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So what? You didn't know what you were doing, you were not used to facing on a regular basis the danger of cloaked opponents. I used to troll hard in a Vo'Quv or JHDC in PVP. A non-cloak capable Carrier is a juicy target. And I held my own. Some of my best performances were with Carriers in a game full of cloaked opponents ever since LOR. I held my own when I used other non-cloak capable ships. Not saying receiving a decloaking attack is a cakewalk. You had to know what you were doing and be FAST in doing your actions. But players had long dealt with it. I'm not saying I was great. But I handled myself decently and not great like some of the aces out there.
You didn't have your guard up. Your opponent can read you, your actions, your buff cycle and tell when you're not ready to take the attack. You drop your guard, you're finished. No Tac Team running? You're begging to get slammed. Even if you were cycling Tac Team, you had to ensure you had protection in place during the gaps when TT isn't running. On and on. Lastly, lone ships, the guys that we used to joke as "Kirkers" were easy kills. Stay close to friendly ships so that you can mutually support each other.
Kerrat is a DANGEROUS place to face cloaked opponents because players often go there with some PVE in mind. More distractions from the dangers that are always out there. On the flip side, Arena & Capture and Hold Maps were a bit harder for Cloak ships because the zone was more focused, tighter, and people were always expecting danger.
OTOH, Feds & KDF long have played the game with Cloaked Warfare in mind. Before all this hippie TRIBBLE lately in STO, back when there was true animosity between the KDF & Feds in this game, the cycle of smashing victories had gone back and forth between the two factions. Not to mention Feds then got access to what still is the best Cloak Detection in the game. The meta of Cloaked Warfare and Cloak Detection has long been there in PVP.
There were plenty of times the KDF steamrolled Feds. It also went the other way with some nasty win/loss streaks by either faction.
So to reiterate: PVP is still the cauldron of fire that tests a ship to its limits. The NPCs do not resist you like players can. They cannot attack you with the furious pace of abilities, attacks the way players can. NPCs do not maneuver like players can. NPCs do not use cloaks properly like players can. NPCs do not work as a team to try and kill you like players can.
Not to mention if you do happen to survive the Alpha Strike, Vape Builds tend to run beyond 10k, hide, then swing back for a second Alpha Strike.
I was lucky enough to survive an Alpha Strike, only to be unable to actually do anything because they run and I can't keep up. Even if I go Evasive, EPtE, and full Impulse I just end up eating dust.
While it has been a while since I went to Ker'rat myself. I generally wouldn't want to go there alone anyways because of the Vape Builds. I get more enjoyment out of duels with more evenly matched abilities because then its not about who has the bigger spike, its more actual skill, timing, and a dose of luck. In otherwords, a real battle. Not a oneshot kill.
Helping fleetmates test their builds is more enjoyable than Ker'rat.
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ship card (think with +35 sci stats best tier 6 kdf so far - sad but true) = even more awesome
trait (almost infinite CSV) = epic awesome
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Also, the b'rotlh skin is still bugged for the fleet bop, even though exact same model as regular bop, where they kind of owe me 500 zen for that one to this day
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ps. The klingon carrier skin is still messed up too so thats another 2000 zen
Agreed, w/ the caveat that the seating should have been Uni/Uni, the Fleet variant should have had 5 Tac Console slots, and a mod to the set bonus. +5 because I like your signature.
Fleet Defiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support | Fleet Manticore Kinetic Strike Ship | Tactical Command Kinetic Siege Refit | Fleet Defiant Quantum Phase Escort | Fleet Valiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support
Turning the Galaxy-X into a Torpedo Dreadnought & torpedo tutorial, with written torpedo guide.
"A good weapon and a great strategy will win you many battles." - Marshall
I knew using Kinetics would be playing the game on hard mode, but what I didn't realize was how bad the deck is stacked against Kinetics.
Fleet Defiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support | Fleet Manticore Kinetic Strike Ship | Tactical Command Kinetic Siege Refit | Fleet Defiant Quantum Phase Escort | Fleet Valiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support
Turning the Galaxy-X into a Torpedo Dreadnought & torpedo tutorial, with written torpedo guide.
"A good weapon and a great strategy will win you many battles." - Marshall
I knew using Kinetics would be playing the game on hard mode, but what I didn't realize was how bad the deck is stacked against Kinetics.
Those were the days indeed.
Ker'rat isn't the only place where PVP took place.
Despite all the supposed power of decloaking attacks, Warbirds were getting smashed. Birds of Prey had gotten a harder and harder time in PVP as time progressed in STO's history.
There were plenty of ways to detect cloaked vessels. There were enough ways to disable cloaks long enough. There were enough ways to kill someone's engines and escape.
I used to take these decloaking alpha strikes in a Vo'Quv... A standard Vo'Quv, of all things... And come out fine.
I also vividly remember when me and my buddy paired up in our BOPs to pick off Feds, there were enough guys that knew their TRIBBLE well enough to receive our attacks and contest it.
Here's also the thing with cloaked, Alpha Strike builds. Like many builds out there, they were totally dedicated for that aspect. Keep them in the fight longer and prevent their escape, they are REALLY in deep TRIBBLE.
Those days are long gone man... But I still remember them. There were many times when I logged in and PVP was the only thing I did. I mostly PUG'ed it, especially Arena & Cap 'n 'Splode a lot back in the day. I still remember we'd be stomping the Feds until a Premade from Nova Core, Sad Pandas comes rolling in
I'm not contesting that there are ways to counter it. What I'm saying is the average player, or even someone who prefers PvE, will get targeted and wasted. And some of the Vape Builds also seem to have escape ability as well. I agree, they sacrifice staying power for that one hit kill, but if you have nothing to trap them with or a possee, Catch 22 ya know.
At best I was only able to activate one and queue up another with my mouse. I try to do too many at a time, not all will trigger. I don't know how to do the magic keybinds.
Spare me the Imperial Patriotism please. As a primary PvE player... I'm not that interested in flag waving for my faction and my faction alone. I generally respect all players unless given a reason not to.
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I have no doubt it's a great alpha strike killer in PvP. Too fragile for PVE unless you're highly skilled with a raider.
Also... That console
I was thinking "the boff slots formally known as universal" but no I'd say call them "dynamic" or "t5 universals".
And, the obvious reason you can't put intel and command or other ships is of course it being a huge selling point for those ships.
I wouldn't even say they shouldn't cash wall those abilities on to certain ships, I am simply saying "universal" boff stations are not universal.
Eh, it was inevitable since there are distinct differences between how each aspect of the game works. Players have better AI but lower hitpoints, making spike more effective, while NPCs have worse AI but higher hitpoints, making sustain more effective. Given that BoPs in their current form shine in one aspect at the cost of the other, the discussion is relevant to a review of the Kor. There isn't really any part of the game that's mandatory, but that doesn't mean the Kor performs equally well in all aspects of the game... and those two aspects are the main source of competition and build comparison in the game.
For anything else, it really doesn't matter what you fly as long as you have fun doing it... and everyone else's reviews (objective or subjective) don't really matter.