So, I guess it would be wrong to start a "just going to sit here" channel for Mirror? I mean the difference in marks is minimal between flying around like crazy and letting your dog just paw at the keyboard.
Yes, it is tedious, at first I wanted to do it with 3 chars(out of 14) but I reduced it to just one, TRIBBLE the others, DR's new upgrade system caused me to gradually neglect all other characters except main but now I barely play even with him. 17 minutes per map(with relogging and standing in queue) is too much anyway.
My biggest qripe lies in the length of the queue and rift closing. You can't do anything while the bar is running, any ability, or damage taken will cancel it and it takes so TRIBBLE long without science ship.
HP bubble powers will let you take a few hits without canceling the interacts.
These must be different Rifts than the type we have to close in Borg Disconnected, you know where your progress is not deterred by an energy jolt against your screens. Even those Undine Rifts seem to be only closable in BD and nowhere else in the game.
All depends on what the Developers want to do at any particular time, I guess. Deus Ex Machina du jure to mix metaphors.
Has anyone tried throwing up a Team Fortress to see if that blocks the 'disturbances in the force'?
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
These must be different Rifts than the type we have to close in Borg Disconnected, you know where your progress is not deterred by an energy jolt against your screens. Even those Undine Rifts seem to be only closable in BD and nowhere else in the game.
All depends on what the Developers want to do at any particular time, I guess. Deus Ex Machina du jure to mix metaphors.
Has anyone tried throwing up a Team Fortress to see if that blocks the 'disturbances in the force'?
the rifts in Disco kinda have to be different. They're an AoE DoT. If the interact could be interrupted they'd be impossible to close.
Well, you can be comforted in knowing that pretty much as soon as this is over, the Winter Event will be upon us.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I must be in the minority that really likes this event.
This was the very first queue I played when I started last year. I got into this late and initially missed out on the shotgun but now I got the chance to finish the project and I am grateful.
This is the queue I am running the most right now not because of the event reward, but because I find it fun and I can get any marks I need. I like the fact that the Terran ships heal. I like the way they disable you and kill you if you aren't careful.
I also tend to play this in advanced so there is hardly any downtime. Even when the team isn't doing well at closing portals and clearing mobs, I try to do both because I enjoy the challenge.
I agree that it would be better if the time gate was removed. Personally, I'd change it to reach tier 5 defense and close 20 portals to advance to the next phase. Only if these objectives aren't met should the timer need running down to move forward. This would better promote and reward participation and clear advanced of leechers.
So, let me get this straight. I can reclaim ships from past grind events (Winter, Risa, Anniversary), but I can't reclaim anything from either the Mirsnore Universe or Crystalline Catatonia events because they aren't starships.
Yeah, Cryptic isn't doing that great of a job of pretending they care equally about Ground vs. Space content when it comes to alts.
I'm going to do the Mirror event on my main. And if my alts don't get it, well I guess I can cross my fingers and hope Stephen Ricossa is willing to give us a quality-of-life update in that department.
What amazes me is that none of the comments here seem to get that they don't want us using all our alts. The reason they have fewer mirror and CE events is because people with lots of alts can make a fortune in dil over the course of the event. It used to be enough to buy all the goodies I want without using any cash...
So now, I can't even run the event with a single toon. I've tried over and over tonight and with different toons, but the game always stops responding whenever I try to do the mirror event. I enjoy the mirror event, even with all the repetition of 17 alts. What I don't like is relogging constantly. I've hesitantly come to believe that they actually have programmed these disconnects if you are making too much too fast.
This is a game financed by putting hurdles between you and the fun, expecting you to pay to overcome the hurdles. Then they reset the bar and expect us not to notice... It's fine if you are wild east bandits looking to rip people off for all you can get and run. However, Star Trek is a long term investment that they just don't know how to handle. This game would be huge if the owners only had a clue. What the mirror event needs is better servers and programming that isn't intended to TRIBBLE the user.
Ugh...it is just too much. The event just started, and between the A.S.S. (Admirality Ship System) and this, i'm getting wrecked. This is a very alt-unfriendly event; It's just too much. I am particularly curious why a ship will be allowed for an unlock if ONE toon runs the event to the end but a piddly rifle CAN'T be?
"Firing Plasma Lance in 3...2..1...."
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!111!!!!!! MAKE IT STOP!!!!!!
Totally agree, OP.
The special shiny should be acct unlock.
NO to ARC RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
Maybe I should rephrase my request in a way that can appeal to the bean counters at Cryptic/PWE.
Why doesn't Cryptic want me to spend Dilithium or Zen into Dilithium to upgrade my Cochrane Shotgun on all of my alts? Do they simply not want my money on upgrading event equipment across my entire account?
I mean golly, I have so much money burning a hole in my pocket and it would be really awesome if I could get that Antiproton Torpedo Launcher up to Mk XIV and Epic quality using the R&D system on all of my alts.
But oh well! I guess that desire to get money from your customers who have poor impulse control on spending money on video games, have a propensity for gambling addictions, and have disposable incomes isn't something every business wants! Particularly not PWE or Cryptic!
Maybe I should rephrase my request in a way that can appeal to the bean counters at Cryptic/PWE.
Why doesn't Cryptic want me to spend Dilithium or Zen into Dilithium to upgrade my Cochrane Shotgun on all of my alts? Do they simply not want my money on upgrading event equipment across my entire account?
I mean golly, I have so much money burning a hole in my pocket and it would be really awesome if I could get that Antiproton Torpedo Launcher up to Mk XIV and Epic quality using the R&D system on all of my alts.
But oh well! I guess that desire to get money from your customers who have poor impulse control on spending money on video games, have a propensity for gambling addictions, and have disposable incomes isn't something every business wants! Particularly not PWE or Cryptic!
Let me help the bean counters a bit more....
I want that cool item (the shotgun, not the current reward) on all my alts with no work. Maybe I'll spend tons of money on this one item, most people won't and just want all their "alts" to be at max for no work. Make it so, because everything I just said about disposable incomes, impulse control, etc, isn't part of your current business strategy.
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Personally, my main will do the "event" for the gun to put in her collection. I already have more dill than I can refine. One alt will run it for the dill for the hell of it. 8K dill on each farmer, less time than this que. Gun? well one on the account is part of a collection the rest is just a sad use of INV space. As for the marks, my alts can earn them faster during holiday events, I already have more dill per alt than I can refine, I don't equip my alt farmers.
If you need stuff to make your alt a non-farming character, earn the stuff. This game is Alt friendly if you play the alts as much as a character should.
WTF would you need this gun on every alt? Oh, I see, that's why "shotgun" is the example for unlocks.
I don't understand these rants. MI on normal takes what? 5, 10 minutes tops?
If you have 47 alts or whatever, that's your choice. Nobody made you create that many. Nobody is making you run events with them either. Don't like MI? Then don't play it! Pretty simple, no?
I had quite a bit of fun during the last mirror invasion. That was at a time when I had mainly 3 toons and there wasn't as much lag, rubber banding, SNRing, and DCing as there is now. This time, no.
I don't understand these rants. MI on normal takes what? 5, 10 minutes tops?
If you have 47 alts or whatever, that's your choice. Nobody made you create that many. Nobody is making you run events with them either. Don't like MI? Then don't play it! Pretty simple, no?
MIN takes 15 minutes at the very least because it is time gated. If you kill everything and clear the map you still have to wait. So someone with a lot of alts has to sink a lot of time into running all of them. Which is, as you pointed out, a choice they are making.
Last time around I ran 6 of my 10 toons. This time I'm running 2. Because 30 minutes or more is enough of a time sink for me. I have things to do. New life to find and kill and all that.
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Ugh...it is just too much. The event just started, and between the A.S.S. (Admirality Ship System) and this, i'm getting wrecked. This is a very alt-unfriendly event; It's just too much. I am particularly curious why a ship will be allowed for an unlock if ONE toon runs the event to the end but a piddly rifle CAN'T be?
There's also the dilithium and marks. That's why it's not an account unlock.
I actually enjoy the Mirror Event a lot more than Crystalline. The latter is just a stupid shoot-to-kill without any elements in it other than shooting (oh, and not getting caught in the burst, yay). The former has at least some stuff to do. Not my favourite queue but it beats Crystalline hands down when it comes to playing it.
That being said, the timer is an annoyance. A very large one. Just having to more or less wait for 5 minutes in normal with nothing to do is boring as hell. I would never leech, and this shows me why - it's just plain boring.
And that would be the case if I played it as a normal queue. Now, wanting to alt the event *is* extremely tedious for all the reasons mentioned above, and there Crystalline has its advantages.
But to end on an upwards note: rarely was the "do an event to get marks of the newest rep when choosing" as appropriate as in this event.
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Maybe I should rephrase my request in a way that can appeal to the bean counters at Cryptic/PWE.
Why doesn't Cryptic want me to spend Dilithium or Zen into Dilithium to upgrade my Cochrane Shotgun on all of my alts? Do they simply not want my money on upgrading event equipment across my entire account?
I mean golly, I have so much money burning a hole in my pocket and it would be really awesome if I could get that Antiproton Torpedo Launcher up to Mk XIV and Epic quality using the R&D system on all of my alts.
But oh well! I guess that desire to get money from your customers who have poor impulse control on spending money on video games, have a propensity for gambling addictions, and have disposable incomes isn't something every business wants! Particularly not PWE or Cryptic!
Let me help the bean counters a bit more....
I want that cool item (the shotgun, not the current reward) on all my alts with no work. Maybe I'll spend tons of money on this one item, most people won't and just want all their "alts" to be at max for no work. Make it so, because everything I just said about disposable incomes, impulse control, etc, isn't part of your current business strategy.
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Personally, my main will do the "event" for the gun to put in her collection. I already have more dill than I can refine. One alt will run it for the dill for the hell of it. 8K dill on each farmer, less time than this que. Gun? well one on the account is part of a collection the rest is just a sad use of INV space. As for the marks, my alts can earn them faster during holiday events, I already have more dill per alt than I can refine, I don't equip my alt farmers.
If you need stuff to make your alt a non-farming character, earn the stuff. This game is Alt friendly if you play the alts as much as a character should.
WTF would you need this gun on every alt? Oh, I see, that's why "shotgun" is the example for unlocks.
Eh, there's a difference between "need" and "want". I "want" these event rewards to be acct. unlocks. They aren't necessary. My alts aren't going to be considered "max" for having these rewards. It's certainly not a need, because I've managed to survive this long without them being acct unlocks with my alts. Not having them isn't going to make the game harder for me.
More time is put in these events than the Holiday events, where you just race. These events actually take up quite a bit of time in comparison (and effort, since you have to actually shoot things). As someone previously mentioned, 15 minutes per MI run at the very least. Even if your team have massive DPS e-peens, you still have to sit on your aft and twiddle your thumbs waiting for the next phase to start.
So, if I have 5 alts, including my main (2 fed, 2 romulan, 2 KDF). That's 90 minutes (at the very least). Yes, nobody twisted my arm to make those alts. Yes, I'm openly and honestly speaking from an entitlement standpoint.
You are correct, that I absolutely do want these things for absolutely no work at all. No effort. And nothing more strenuous than going to a button and clicking the Claim button.
Because, I personally hold the opinion that spending an hour and a half a day on STO (at minimum) just for the daily event token is a little unreasonable. Other people don't, and that's cool. Their points do have merit.
they don't want us using all our alts. The reason they have fewer mirror and CE events is because people with lots of alts can make a fortune in dil over the course of the event. It used to be enough to buy all the goodies I want without using any cash...
Considering all the dil I am milking off the admiralty system, I do not think that they are keeping us on the short leash dil wise. This will have a serious effect on in game economy only for the easy dil you get.
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Nobody is asking for an unlock for the Dilithium and Marks just the bloody Gun, Shotgun, Hakeev, Miranda, Crystalline Torpedo, Crystalline Spike - that stuff. You know like the ships. Simple, huh.
People either have a very poor perception of time or they never ran this. Not five minutes, never was.
And don't tell people to do the 'work', that's just about all they do. The real person behind the characters I'd doing the 'work', they are just asking for some relief.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
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'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
as I said before I don't really care much for MI but then its not so bad I cant bare to play it either, I want the dilithium for all of my characters and the other rewards are neat, don't like the gun and wont use it so that's not important to me.
so I have 6 characters and enough time to do it with each even if it means I have no time for anything else.
I don't know why the item prizes (in this case the Agony Rifle) from these events aren't account unlocks but I guess there is a reason that cryptic knows and we don't.
it could be my theory that the only way they can award the rewards from the event to every character you have is as a package and not individually which would result in characters that did not do the event still getting the dilithium and marks but it could be some other equally valid reason.
there may be a way around this if cryptic devs were to put their thinking caps on but I dare say its not that important enough to them to bother with.
I guess I am fortunate that I am not bothered in the least that half of my characters cant get most of the item rewards from past events.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I don't understand these rants. MI on normal takes what? 5, 10 minutes tops?
If you have 47 alts or whatever, that's your choice. Nobody made you create that many. Nobody is making you run events with them either. Don't like MI? Then don't play it! Pretty simple, no?
Have you even played the pve? Because if you have you must be the most unobservant person in the game. It takes 10 minutes in the first part. It literally doesn't matter what you do, the time gate is set to that no matter what and nothing you do will alter the time this part takes. I think a good part of the frustration in this thread is born out of that, that you can't do anything to affect events in any way. You can just park on the edge of the map, do nothing and go do something else for that time and still get the rewards.
Logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end of it.
The most boring event.
First day i forced myself to do it on 7 toons out of 10 able. Never again.
I will try to test if complete afk works until dread, try to find 4 more guys that can do this and if it works i maybe (A big maybe) try this for a few days to see how will it go. If not its the end of the line for me.
I did this on 7 toons last year for the Zefram Cochrane Shotgun, but at the end days i was thinking to shoot myself if i had a gun, no joking. And after all that the shotgun sucks as there are better weapons out there for most of the situations.
All that grind for an item that can only justify its existence in 2-3 ground situations ... hell no!
Regarding dil, i can make it faster other ways.
Have you even played the pve? Because if you have you must be the most unobservant person in the game.
OK, I "must be" then. Sorry my estimate was off by 5 minutes - that was just a guesstimate. I am not so anal that I time every event. But now I know who to turn to, thanks.
Have you even played the pve? Because if you have you must be the most unobservant person in the game.
OK, I "must be" then. Sorry my estimate was off by 5 minutes - that was just a guesstimate. I am not so anal that I time every event. But now I know who to turn to, thanks.
Trying to make a point requires being precise so that others can relate. Five minutes makes all the difference mate as its a big % when having multiple toons imo.
Well, this weekend is costing me years of my life, between using as many mining claims as possible on my characters (up to 13 again, I never learn...), I have run this event on all of them, takes about 4 hours.... and that includes a minute per character robbing the A.S.S.* blind.
Having observed most random teams I had been on, I really like the timegate. Just image Captain Moron and Ensign Oblivious upping the event time to two hours by failing at everything (and you know they do).
Also, yay for an event store. I would like to get some of the older items for newer characters.
* Yes. it's a thing now, I will never let go of that.....
Ok, after catching up on the posts I see basically 3 arguments:
1. The 'shiny' isn't an account unlock.
2. The mission is 'time gated'
3. people who complain about this are entitled whiners (paraphrasing, and I'm not pointing fingers)
Numbers 1. and 2. I do agree with, and if (IF) there were and account unlock for the 'shiny' I would expect to give up the pile of marks and dilithium that the main project offers. It just makes sense, "I didn't slog through the event on my alts so why should I get the mountain of dil?"
As for the mission being a slow pain to complete, it wouldn't actually be bad if 1. were addressed, the only reason I don't like the 15 minute mission-on-a-timer is I do it 12 times/day, took me 4 hours today to get through them. (I know it's my choice to run 12 characters on this and I won't make a big deal about my 12). But for people who choose to run more than 2-3 characters through this mission it gets tedious really fast...
Lastly 3. I won't argue that there will always be someone somewhere who will come out and say "Gimmie, Gimmie, Now! Now! Now!" However, we can't just pile everyone with a complaint into this group as some of them are people with justifiable complaints and wishes. I have no desire to run through MI once and claim 12 packages of 50k dilithium, that just wouldn't be right. I would like to be able to aquire the 'shiny' on my alts without slogging through the same mission 12 times a day for two weeks.
There is also the issue of new characters created after this event won't be able to get the 'shiny' even if the player earned the reward on a previous character. Many of my characters were created after past instances of Mirror Invasion or Crystalline Cataclysm, and I have to deal with the reality that my newer characters won't be able to get the nifty 'shiny' that was offered, and claimed on my older characters. Like Delta Recruits and the Shotgun, it would be awesome to use, but impossible in the current system.
I've got other things I'd rather be doing besides re-running the same mission over and over. I'm sure the Devs want daily participation in the event to earn the 'shiny', so an adequate compromise would be either unlocking (after a character claims the main rep project) a one-off rep project for 1 [Commodity] which awards the 'shiny' only (not the dilithium or marks**, or perhaps when a character claims the 'shiny' add it to an account reclaim store as opposed to the character reclaim store we have now. Honestly I'd even drop a few Zen to unlock it account wide, so there would be some methods to monetize this if Cryptic so desires.
**I realize this idea is strikingly similar to the 'account discount' program which was removed beccause of people 'saving up', so to make this idea work the commodities would have to have an expiration date attached to prevent exploitation.
It also amazes me that the Devs don't care that their servers can't handle what is going on right now, people are being booted out of the MI maps with SNR and disconnects and when they get back in, even if only a few seconds later they are booted out to their previous map with no reward what-so-ever, no matter how much progress they made in the event before being booted by the server and possibly having to wait in a queue to get back into the game. Today I was booted out of 6 maps trying to do MI on ONE character, I haven't even tried with the others as I just gave up due to lack of time before having to do other things like work for a living.
There are no "leeches", in the conventional sense. What there ARE is people who have accepted that the entire first act of the mission is an exercise in futility...counterproductive futility. (...)
Ignore the tiresome whining of people who JUST DON'T GET IT. They weren't THERE for the previous runs. THEY didn't run 40 characters a day.
Sorry, but I missed the part of your post where you explained why you running too many grindfests for your own liking gives you the right to diminish the enjoyment of others, who may not be in this queue only for the one-a-day token but also to play the queue and complete the objectives. I hope I didn't cut it when I shortened the quote.
Oh yeah, it may not be leeching because you are not hoping for some marks, only for the token which your style will give as well. I think it is called griefing instead.
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All depends on what the Developers want to do at any particular time, I guess. Deus Ex Machina du jure to mix metaphors.
Has anyone tried throwing up a Team Fortress to see if that blocks the 'disturbances in the force'?
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l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
This was the very first queue I played when I started last year. I got into this late and initially missed out on the shotgun but now I got the chance to finish the project and I am grateful.
This is the queue I am running the most right now not because of the event reward, but because I find it fun and I can get any marks I need. I like the fact that the Terran ships heal. I like the way they disable you and kill you if you aren't careful.
I also tend to play this in advanced so there is hardly any downtime. Even when the team isn't doing well at closing portals and clearing mobs, I try to do both because I enjoy the challenge.
I agree that it would be better if the time gate was removed. Personally, I'd change it to reach tier 5 defense and close 20 portals to advance to the next phase. Only if these objectives aren't met should the timer need running down to move forward. This would better promote and reward participation and clear advanced of leechers.
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Yeah, Cryptic isn't doing that great of a job of pretending they care equally about Ground vs. Space content when it comes to alts.
I'm going to do the Mirror event on my main. And if my alts don't get it, well I guess I can cross my fingers and hope Stephen Ricossa is willing to give us a quality-of-life update in that department.
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So now, I can't even run the event with a single toon. I've tried over and over tonight and with different toons, but the game always stops responding whenever I try to do the mirror event. I enjoy the mirror event, even with all the repetition of 17 alts. What I don't like is relogging constantly. I've hesitantly come to believe that they actually have programmed these disconnects if you are making too much too fast.
This is a game financed by putting hurdles between you and the fun, expecting you to pay to overcome the hurdles. Then they reset the bar and expect us not to notice... It's fine if you are wild east bandits looking to rip people off for all you can get and run. However, Star Trek is a long term investment that they just don't know how to handle. This game would be huge if the owners only had a clue. What the mirror event needs is better servers and programming that isn't intended to TRIBBLE the user.
Nerfing is Fraud...
Totally agree, OP.
The special shiny should be acct unlock.
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Why doesn't Cryptic want me to spend Dilithium or Zen into Dilithium to upgrade my Cochrane Shotgun on all of my alts? Do they simply not want my money on upgrading event equipment across my entire account?
I mean golly, I have so much money burning a hole in my pocket and it would be really awesome if I could get that Antiproton Torpedo Launcher up to Mk XIV and Epic quality using the R&D system on all of my alts.
But oh well! I guess that desire to get money from your customers who have poor impulse control on spending money on video games, have a propensity for gambling addictions, and have disposable incomes isn't something every business wants! Particularly not PWE or Cryptic!
Let me help the bean counters a bit more....
I want that cool item (the shotgun, not the current reward) on all my alts with no work. Maybe I'll spend tons of money on this one item, most people won't and just want all their "alts" to be at max for no work. Make it so, because everything I just said about disposable incomes, impulse control, etc, isn't part of your current business strategy.
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Personally, my main will do the "event" for the gun to put in her collection. I already have more dill than I can refine. One alt will run it for the dill for the hell of it. 8K dill on each farmer, less time than this que. Gun? well one on the account is part of a collection the rest is just a sad use of INV space. As for the marks, my alts can earn them faster during holiday events, I already have more dill per alt than I can refine, I don't equip my alt farmers.
If you need stuff to make your alt a non-farming character, earn the stuff. This game is Alt friendly if you play the alts as much as a character should.
WTF would you need this gun on every alt? Oh, I see, that's why "shotgun" is the example for unlocks.
If you have 47 alts or whatever, that's your choice. Nobody made you create that many. Nobody is making you run events with them either. Don't like MI? Then don't play it! Pretty simple, no?
MIN takes 15 minutes at the very least because it is time gated. If you kill everything and clear the map you still have to wait. So someone with a lot of alts has to sink a lot of time into running all of them. Which is, as you pointed out, a choice they are making.
Last time around I ran 6 of my 10 toons. This time I'm running 2. Because 30 minutes or more is enough of a time sink for me. I have things to do. New life to find and kill and all that.
There's also the dilithium and marks. That's why it's not an account unlock.
That being said, the timer is an annoyance. A very large one. Just having to more or less wait for 5 minutes in normal with nothing to do is boring as hell. I would never leech, and this shows me why - it's just plain boring.
And that would be the case if I played it as a normal queue. Now, wanting to alt the event *is* extremely tedious for all the reasons mentioned above, and there Crystalline has its advantages.
But to end on an upwards note: rarely was the "do an event to get marks of the newest rep when choosing" as appropriate as in this event.
Eh, there's a difference between "need" and "want". I "want" these event rewards to be acct. unlocks. They aren't necessary. My alts aren't going to be considered "max" for having these rewards. It's certainly not a need, because I've managed to survive this long without them being acct unlocks with my alts. Not having them isn't going to make the game harder for me.
More time is put in these events than the Holiday events, where you just race. These events actually take up quite a bit of time in comparison (and effort, since you have to actually shoot things). As someone previously mentioned, 15 minutes per MI run at the very least. Even if your team have massive DPS e-peens, you still have to sit on your aft and twiddle your thumbs waiting for the next phase to start.
So, if I have 5 alts, including my main (2 fed, 2 romulan, 2 KDF). That's 90 minutes (at the very least). Yes, nobody twisted my arm to make those alts. Yes, I'm openly and honestly speaking from an entitlement standpoint.
You are correct, that I absolutely do want these things for absolutely no work at all. No effort. And nothing more strenuous than going to a button and clicking the Claim button.
Because, I personally hold the opinion that spending an hour and a half a day on STO (at minimum) just for the daily event token is a little unreasonable. Other people don't, and that's cool. Their points do have merit.
Considering all the dil I am milking off the admiralty system, I do not think that they are keeping us on the short leash dil wise. This will have a serious effect on in game economy only for the easy dil you get.
People either have a very poor perception of time or they never ran this. Not five minutes, never was.
And don't tell people to do the 'work', that's just about all they do. The real person behind the characters I'd doing the 'work', they are just asking for some relief.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
so I have 6 characters and enough time to do it with each even if it means I have no time for anything else.
I don't know why the item prizes (in this case the Agony Rifle) from these events aren't account unlocks but I guess there is a reason that cryptic knows and we don't.
it could be my theory that the only way they can award the rewards from the event to every character you have is as a package and not individually which would result in characters that did not do the event still getting the dilithium and marks but it could be some other equally valid reason.
there may be a way around this if cryptic devs were to put their thinking caps on but I dare say its not that important enough to them to bother with.
I guess I am fortunate that I am not bothered in the least that half of my characters cant get most of the item rewards from past events.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Have you even played the pve? Because if you have you must be the most unobservant person in the game. It takes 10 minutes in the first part. It literally doesn't matter what you do, the time gate is set to that no matter what and nothing you do will alter the time this part takes. I think a good part of the frustration in this thread is born out of that, that you can't do anything to affect events in any way. You can just park on the edge of the map, do nothing and go do something else for that time and still get the rewards.
First day i forced myself to do it on 7 toons out of 10 able. Never again.
I will try to test if complete afk works until dread, try to find 4 more guys that can do this and if it works i maybe (A big maybe) try this for a few days to see how will it go. If not its the end of the line for me.
I did this on 7 toons last year for the Zefram Cochrane Shotgun, but at the end days i was thinking to shoot myself if i had a gun, no joking. And after all that the shotgun sucks as there are better weapons out there for most of the situations.
All that grind for an item that can only justify its existence in 2-3 ground situations ... hell no!
Regarding dil, i can make it faster other ways.
Trying to make a point requires being precise so that others can relate. Five minutes makes all the difference mate as its a big % when having multiple toons imo.
Having observed most random teams I had been on, I really like the timegate. Just image Captain Moron and Ensign Oblivious upping the event time to two hours by failing at everything (and you know they do).
Also, yay for an event store. I would like to get some of the older items for newer characters.
* Yes. it's a thing now, I will never let go of that.....
1. The 'shiny' isn't an account unlock.
2. The mission is 'time gated'
3. people who complain about this are entitled whiners (paraphrasing, and I'm not pointing fingers)
Numbers 1. and 2. I do agree with, and if (IF) there were and account unlock for the 'shiny' I would expect to give up the pile of marks and dilithium that the main project offers. It just makes sense, "I didn't slog through the event on my alts so why should I get the mountain of dil?"
As for the mission being a slow pain to complete, it wouldn't actually be bad if 1. were addressed, the only reason I don't like the 15 minute mission-on-a-timer is I do it 12 times/day, took me 4 hours today to get through them. (I know it's my choice to run 12 characters on this and I won't make a big deal about my 12). But for people who choose to run more than 2-3 characters through this mission it gets tedious really fast...
Lastly 3. I won't argue that there will always be someone somewhere who will come out and say "Gimmie, Gimmie, Now! Now! Now!" However, we can't just pile everyone with a complaint into this group as some of them are people with justifiable complaints and wishes. I have no desire to run through MI once and claim 12 packages of 50k dilithium, that just wouldn't be right. I would like to be able to aquire the 'shiny' on my alts without slogging through the same mission 12 times a day for two weeks.
There is also the issue of new characters created after this event won't be able to get the 'shiny' even if the player earned the reward on a previous character. Many of my characters were created after past instances of Mirror Invasion or Crystalline Cataclysm, and I have to deal with the reality that my newer characters won't be able to get the nifty 'shiny' that was offered, and claimed on my older characters. Like Delta Recruits and the Shotgun, it would be awesome to use, but impossible in the current system.
I've got other things I'd rather be doing besides re-running the same mission over and over. I'm sure the Devs want daily participation in the event to earn the 'shiny', so an adequate compromise would be either unlocking (after a character claims the main rep project) a one-off rep project for 1 [Commodity] which awards the 'shiny' only (not the dilithium or marks**, or perhaps when a character claims the 'shiny' add it to an account reclaim store as opposed to the character reclaim store we have now. Honestly I'd even drop a few Zen to unlock it account wide, so there would be some methods to monetize this if Cryptic so desires.
**I realize this idea is strikingly similar to the 'account discount' program which was removed beccause of people 'saving up', so to make this idea work the commodities would have to have an expiration date attached to prevent exploitation.
Sorry, but I missed the part of your post where you explained why you running too many grindfests for your own liking gives you the right to diminish the enjoyment of others, who may not be in this queue only for the one-a-day token but also to play the queue and complete the objectives. I hope I didn't cut it when I shortened the quote.
Oh yeah, it may not be leeching because you are not hoping for some marks, only for the token which your style will give as well. I think it is called griefing instead.