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nikephorus
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Sad...was one of my favorite queues back when the queues were active. I'm definitely going to miss this one.
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I guess the main problem like the other big queues, is getting 20 people together at the same time.
It also didn't help that sometimes when you did get the numbers, the queue would trigger but immediately cancel, resetting those queued back to 0.
I really hope this comes back.
Perhaps split the map in into quarters so we can have 5 man queues.
You know, I knew all of this was too good to be true lately. Every time Cryptic does something good, they do something phenomenally asinine.
EDIT: According to Bort, they're being removed to be reviewed for "potential improvements." So...you can't leave them in the game in the meantime because...? Wait, lemme guess. Too many PvE queues right? Gotta make room for the task force reputation. Are we actually reaching the limit as to how many queues the game can handle? Why not get rid of the damn fleet actions instead? They are hilariously outdated and don't seem to fit in the game anymore.
Yeah like No win scenario.
Terrordome!
Exploration Clusters!
Anyone want to give me a Temporal Heavy Dreadnought pack? I'll be your friend
Somehow I doubt they would use the word "retire" if what they meant was "review". I don't expect to see any of those queues ever again. It's a shame.
this bugged me more than loosing mine trap... but considering how rarely I played it I can't disagree with em
Nor nessessarily because the two being removed were quite good fun in my opinion, but because it's just more of the same TRIBBLE from cryptic - removing content.
Mine trap has been getting a lot of attention lately with the 20player channel pretty active all the time running it both pug and private. Been real good fun rather than the usual bore fest ISA run which is all that seems to get played these days.
I mean Jesus, the queues are dead enough as it is, why remove the few that are actually being played more these days. Just idiotic in my opinion.
We'll just add it to the list of content removed to improved our gaming experience:
Exploration Clusters
Terradome
No Win Scenario
Memory Alpha
And much more...
I do hope cryptic bring it back, but this time, rewritten for 5 players, and with bigger greater rewards too. The same goes for all other queues as well, to get them going again. The current queuing system is god awful and needs to be revamped, hopefully some single player missions in there to combat dead queues.
Good catch there lol - fixed!
'Nuff said, I very sceptical about them returning. I won't hold my breath.
This soured the new season significantly for me
Some kind of "troop transports from the starbase..." style repeating VO telling you to go back if you're out of position might be in order, as would some kind of virtual holographic showing the zone borders. And changing the respawn points so that you're guaranteed to respawn in your own zone if you die.
Which means either adding cooldowns to the queues, long enough to actually matter (30 minutes is a joke), or giving each queue a desirable unique reward that isn't available elsewhere.
As long as players can endlessly repeat a handful of quick and easy queues that give the same reward as longer and more complex missions, they'll do just that.
Like others have said, it was making a come back.
I played Mine Trap 4 or 5 times in the last 3-4 weeks.
The most "TREK" mission in the game, and these bozos sack it.
WTH are they thinking !?!
Never should've gotten rid of Hourly's...
Now here we are, putting Breach and Mine Trap on the proverbial chopping block.
Way to upset everyone before S11 Cryptic.
You never even made an attempt to save Mine Trap. You could have easily saved the 20 man queues by bringing back hourly's, or even by simply overcompensating on rewards.. or by making it a 5 man queue....YOU HAD A CHOICE , YOU HAD OPTIONS, YET YOU DID NOTHING !
You didn't care enough to try ! You just gave up like the yellow bellied cowards you are. and let the best pve mission in the game wither and die.
Then announce a day before S11....we're removing Breach and Mine Trap.. YOU COWARDLY FERENGIS HIDING IN THE SHADOWS !
Live long and F you
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Foundry
But in the last 2-3 weeks there's been loads of runs of Mine Trap popping because of the 20player channel and all the mentions of it in-game and on here. So people are definitely playing that mission more than say a year ago.
Granted it could do with a change to player numbers and some updates to the instructions & rewards but it's way more popular that say the 2 Nukara themed queues that rarely pop at all.
Also when you have things like No Win Scenario being dropped when it was one of the most popular missions in the game you have to question what the heck is going on.
I've seen more runs of Mine Trap in the last 2 weeks than in the last 2 years, that shows it's still pretty popular.
If it needs improving fine, but leave the old one thee until the new one is ready. People are sick of content being taken away all the time.
If a new season means give 2 and take 2 from now on, I suggest the players of this game start to play those PvEs they like more again. Problem is that some simply hand out bad rewards compared to others which put them on the disadvantage to begin with.
I could imagine Undine Assault, Azure Nebular Rescue and Infected Ground to see “retirenment” next.
While I would not shed any tears for the first two the latter would be a game-breaker for me personally.
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Doubt it. The hourly bonuses never redirected player attention, since they applied to all content equally. The reason marginal queues were more populated before was that the Borg STFs, the only missions back then that had good dilithium AND mark rewards, had a 1 hour cooldown. Since Hive and ground are "too hard", you'd blast your way through the 3 original space STFs and then depending on how fast you were you could have quite a lot of time to spare for random queues before the "good ones" started coming off cooldown.
And before the rewards were equalized, before the Daily Marks Box, Mine Trap actually was a pretty decent source for Rom marks. Now its just another queue that takes too long to finish.
Now that all queues give the more or less the same rewards (dil, marks of some type, an R&D box), fast queues are the order of the day. With only 30 min cooldown, by the time you're done with the 3 STFs, CCA, and maybe a fleet alert or something if you were quick, you're ready to start the cycle anew. Most of the queues you never even have to touch, except maybe to do 1 Normal a day to get the daily bonus marks if you're leveling a rep. Not even that for reps that have a patrol or something that can be done solo in 5 minutes.
See now I'm of the opinion that although it's true that some missions give out less rewards we should still be playing for fun.
So it's not so much the rewards that are the problem per see, but the way the game forces everyone into some monstrous grind-fest constantly, meaning the high rewarding missions are favored over others that may well be more enjoyable.
People are so obsessed with needing the next new shiny that they spend all their time grinding rather than seeking out the enjoyable missions.
I'd rather play Mine Trap which is always good fun despite the low rewards, than play endless runs of ISA and CCA which are literally the only queues popping these days.
But the game forces most people down the grinding route, so they always go for the path of least resistance or in game terms the queues with best reward:time ratios.