ships that the romulan faction are missing

generalguncraft · October 2015

it might just be me but i think that the romulan faction is missing a few ships the two that spring to mind are science vessels and i dont mean the dyson thing that was silly and a carrier since even befor the current competition for a new fed carrier the fed and klingons had full carriers were as the romulans only have heavy escort carriers. just worndering if we might get one ...some day.

might be nice to get a few more choices on hanger pets apart from scorpion fighters lovely as they are every one can get the elite ones through rep anyway

skylarcomet · October 2015

Maybe, I would prefer something smaller and more maneuverable. I would love to see something that flew similar to the Scryer in the RRW. Maybe something with a single hanger, but really I am not that big on using carriers.

generalguncraft · October 2015

so somthing like the aventine but i really think the lack of carriers, science ships and romulan hangerpets needs to be addressed if you look at the griphon class ship from Armarder 2 a few tweeks and you have a science ship even has room for the secondary deflector, personally i would like to see a more tactical science/engineering based carrier perhaps with command and intel seats.

devilzaphan · October 2015

Hoping for a eng/tac carrier, but as for a sci ship don't hold your breath for one anytime soon.

kodachikuno · October 2015

for a sci ship Id prefer an upgr ha'nom, as for a dedicated carrier I'd prefer cruiser commands personally but I don't have a major preference either way

generalguncraft · October 2015

would defiantly be nice i'd personally like a science/tac carrier as something a little different but a tac/engineering one would be good too

skylarcomet · October 2015

kodachikuno wrote: »

for a sci ship Id prefer an upgr ha'nom, as for a dedicated carrier I'd prefer cruiser commands personally but I don't have a major preference either way

I didn't really like the ha'nom, but maybe I just didn't give it a good enough chance. (also, the thing looks kind of a dudes junk with wings to me.)

royalsovereign · October 2015

skylarcomet wrote: »

I didn't really like the ha'nom, but maybe I just didn't give it a good enough chance. (also, the thing looks kind of a dudes junk with wings to me.)

Man, who've you been dating? *lol* With the choices from the Ha'apax and Haakona, I always thought you could make a decent Ha'nom - it always reminded me of an owl rather than an eagle. I think the biggest gripe always came back to its sheer size - fine for a 'supercruiser' but way over the top for a science ship.

skylarcomet · October 2015

royalsovereign wrote: »

skylarcomet wrote: »

I didn't really like the ha'nom, but maybe I just didn't give it a good enough chance. (also, the thing looks kind of a dudes junk with wings to me.)

Man, who've you been dating? *lol* With the choices from the Ha'apax and Haakona, I always thought you could make a decent Ha'nom - it always reminded me of an owl rather than an eagle. I think the biggest gripe always came back to its sheer size - fine for a 'supercruiser' but way over the top for a science ship.

I think that was my big problem with it, huge and slow. I can deal with only so much sluggish movement and turning, though with some of the stuff one can get these days it can be mitigated better now then when I first tried it.

Edit: and since I got rid of it long ago, I wont be trying now. Not gonna waste dil getting an outdated ship that probably could not keep up at all with the newer content.

kodachikuno · October 2015

Considering a t4 ship with green mkXII can do all endgame content just fine... the ha'nom isnt really that weak but yeah its a little large and clunky... but so are most romulan vessels... I think that was why Roms either had small cannons or bigass tanks

skylarcomet · October 2015

kodachikuno wrote: »

Considering a t4 ship with green mkXII can do all endgame content just fine... the ha'nom isnt really that weak but yeah its a little large and clunky... but so are most romulan vessels... I think that was why Roms either had small cannons or bigass tanks

Can, maybe, but do it well? Even with a T6 ship with all MK XII stuff can be pretty rough doing a lot of the iconian episode. My neglected engineer died a lot before making some changes and upgrading most stuff.

kodachikuno · October 2015

skylarcomet wrote: »

kodachikuno wrote: »

Considering a t4 ship with green mkXII can do all endgame content just fine... the ha'nom isnt really that weak but yeah its a little large and clunky... but so are most romulan vessels... I think that was why Roms either had small cannons or bigass tanks

Can, maybe, but do it well? Even with a T6 ship with all MK XII stuff can be pretty rough doing a lot of the iconian episode. My neglected engineer died a lot before making some changes and upgrading most stuff.

really? I do it in t6 ships with only blue/green mkXII all the time... its rare for me to have purple XII but it happens, a few mkXIII from the delta quests but those are blue. Not to be a TRIBBLE but it sounds like you might want to examine HOW you play. Knowing your ships and which powers to use when can massively upgrade your survival.

skylarcomet · October 2015

kodachikuno wrote: »

skylarcomet wrote: »

kodachikuno wrote: »

Considering a t4 ship with green mkXII can do all endgame content just fine... the ha'nom isnt really that weak but yeah its a little large and clunky... but so are most romulan vessels... I think that was why Roms either had small cannons or bigass tanks

Can, maybe, but do it well? Even with a T6 ship with all MK XII stuff can be pretty rough doing a lot of the iconian episode. My neglected engineer died a lot before making some changes and upgrading most stuff.

really? I do it in t6 ships with only blue/green mkXII all the time... its rare for me to have purple XII but it happens, a few mkXIII from the delta quests but those are blue. Not to be a TRIBBLE but it sounds like you might want to examine HOW you play. Knowing your ships and which powers to use when can massively upgrade your survival.

Maybe I just really suck at STO then. It is possible, very possible.

generalguncraft · October 2015

i think we are straying from the topic a little guys and gals but i think most romulan players can agree there is a shortage in the science and carrier categories for a romulan fleet which would be much appreciated being filled

azmodeas · October 2015

I wouldn't mind seeing a lower tier option of a D7 battle cruiser with an underside warbird on it. Without having to go KDF align'd.

borgressistance · October 2015

Tier 6 scimitar, only needs the lt cmdr uni switched to a lt cmdr uni/intel

kodachikuno · October 2015

borgressistance wrote: »

Tier 6 scimitar, only needs the lt cmdr uni switched to a lt cmdr uni/intel

T6 scimitard only needs to never exist because its already a TRIBBLE stupid TRIBBLE ship that over powered, over sized, and butt TRIBBLE ugly

royalsovereign · October 2015

kodachikuno wrote: »

borgressistance wrote: »

Tier 6 scimitar, only needs the lt cmdr uni switched to a lt cmdr uni/intel

T6 scimitard only needs to never exist because its already a ******* stupid *** ship that over powered, over sized, and *********** ugly

"Don't mince words, Bones (er, Kodak), what do you *really* think?"

Happen to completely agree, btw.

kodachikuno · October 2015

royalsovereign wrote: »

kodachikuno wrote: »

borgressistance wrote: »

Tier 6 scimitar, only needs the lt cmdr uni switched to a lt cmdr uni/intel

T6 scimitard only needs to never exist because its already a ******* stupid *** ship that over powered, over sized, and *********** ugly

"Don't mince words, Bones (er, Kodak), what do you *really* think?" Happen to completely agree, btw.

I like how bu tt is still censored

royalsovereign · October 2015

kodachikuno wrote: »

royalsovereign wrote: »

kodachikuno wrote: »

borgressistance wrote: »

Tier 6 scimitar, only needs the lt cmdr uni switched to a lt cmdr uni/intel

T6 scimitard only needs to never exist because its already a ******* stupid *** ship that over powered, over sized, and *********** ugly

"Don't mince words, Bones (er, Kodak), what do you *really* think?" Happen to completely agree, btw.

I like how bu tt is still censored

Oh no, I censored that myself - it wasn't the forum.

Butt. See? Just seemed weird to edit out the F-bombs and leave the butt in there.

valenn1 · October 2015

We need a proper science ship, not idea why they ignore the canon one (well, i actually have a idea... starts with a "G" and ends with a "o")

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Romulan_science_vessel

It is clearly not a shuttle, with a crew of (only!) seventy three survivors.
So the crew strength is most likely somewhere above 160 persons, turning shat ship into a shuttle (Commanders gig second skin) is just a cruel joke.

protogoth · October 2015

valenn1 wrote: »

We need a proper science ship, not idea why they ignore the canon one (well, i actually have a idea... starts with a "G" and ends with a "o")

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Romulan_science_vessel

It is clearly not a shuttle, with a crew of (only!) seventy three survivors.
So the crew strength is most likely somewhere above 160 persons, turning shat ship into a shuttle (Commanders gig second skin) is just a cruel joke.

This is in STO. It's one of the costume variants for the Commander's Gig.

valenn1 · October 2015

protogoth wrote: »

This is in STO. It's one of the costume variants for the Commander's Gig.

uhmmmm... please re-read my post, especially the
(Commanders gig second skin) part.

protogoth · October 2015

valenn1 wrote: »

protogoth wrote: »

This is in STO. It's one of the costume variants for the Commander's Gig.

uhmmmm... please re-read my post, especially the
(Commanders gig second skin) part.

Park a Kestrel next to a Commander's Gig and tell me that again.

artan42 · October 2015

valenn1 wrote: »

We need a proper science ship, not idea why they ignore the canon one (well, i actually have a idea... starts with a "G" and ends with a "o")

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Romulan_science_vessel

It is clearly not a shuttle, with a crew of (only!) seventy three survivors.
So the crew strength is most likely somewhere above 160 persons, turning that ship into a shuttle (Commanders gig second skin) is just a cruel joke.

Agreed. It's more like a Romulan version of the Defiant, small, compact, just a Sci ship not a escort.

mustrumridcully0 · October 2015

valenn1 wrote: »

We need a proper science ship, not idea why they ignore the canon one (well, i actually have a idea... starts with a "G" and ends with a "o")

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Romulan_science_vessel

It is clearly not a shuttle, with a crew of (only!) seventy three survivors.
So the crew strength is most likely somewhere above 160 persons, turning shat ship into a shuttle (Commanders gig second skin) is just a cruel joke.

It's not a cruel joke. They basiclaly used the same model for both ships in the TV show, and just made a few alterations. Anythnig but an unfaithful modelling of a canon ship will get treated with anger by many players, but a faithful modelling also would make the similarities way too obvious. Turning it into a Shuttle so you can at least have the look was reasonable.

It's almosty the same reason why we never got the K'Vort - which is just a Bird of Prey, but larger. It might have worked for a TV show where it is only seen like that once or twice, but all the time? No, that won't fly.

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Aside from that - the Dyson Destroyer is one of the best Tier 5 Science Vessels in the game. And the Dyson - especially with Romulan Materials - is also great looking.
The usual effective science vessel builds (Grav Well + Torpedoes) work just as well on the Dyson as on any other ship. The transformation mode might be superflous and a Hangar Bay might be preferable (even if hangar pets suck, at least you can launch them all the time). And even there- while your Cmdr Science power is on cooldown, switching to Tactical Mode isn't bad - you got an extra weapon and maybe another power to activate that buffs your damage output.

A Tier 6 upgrade would be awesome and would probably also fix the only "science weakness" the ship has - that it doesn't have a second Lt.Cmr Science. (But a Lt.Cmdr Tactical was never a bad thing to have on any ship class..)

The Ha'nom mean weakness seems to me that it has a low turn rate. Boost that to DSSV levels, and bring all the science ship abilites on it (Sensor Analysis and Secondary Deflectors primarily), and it would also be a great Tier 6 Science Vessel.

valenn1 · October 2015

mustrumridcully0 wrote: »

...They basiclaly used the same model for both ships in the TV show, and just made a few alterations...

It is the same model, but the scale is supposed much larger (in the TNG episode we had "only" 73 survivors on board, the "only" suggests that the crew was much larger), turning it into a second shuttle skin was just another lazy, half assed excuse to deny the RR a additional science ship.

artan42 · October 2015

mustrumridcully0 wrote: »

valenn1 wrote: »

We need a proper science ship, not idea why they ignore the canon one (well, i actually have a idea... starts with a "G" and ends with a "o")

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Romulan_science_vessel

It is clearly not a shuttle, with a crew of (only!) seventy three survivors.
So the crew strength is most likely somewhere above 160 persons, turning shat ship into a shuttle (Commanders gig second skin) is just a cruel joke.

It's not a cruel joke. They basiclaly used the same model for both ships in the TV show, and just made a few alterations. Anythnig but an unfaithful modelling of a canon ship will get treated with anger by many players, but a faithful modelling also would make the similarities way too obvious. Turning it into a Shuttle so you can at least have the look was reasonable.

The Science ship is the same model as the Scout ship not the shuttle. It shares the same hull and nacelles with a completely different head.

mustrumridcully0 · October 2015

valenn1 wrote: »

mustrumridcully0 wrote: »

...They basiclaly used the same model for both ships in the TV show, and just made a few alterations...

It is the same model, but the scale is supposed much larger (in the TNG episode we had "only" 73 survivors on board, the "only" suggests that the crew was much larger), turning it into a second shuttle skin was just another lazy, half assed excuse to deny the RR a additional science ship.

The lazy thing was that TNG decided to take a Romulan Shuttle model, alter it a bit, and suddenly claim it's a ship that can carry a crew of 73+.
Not quite as lazy as using the B'Rel, call it K'Vort and claim it's larger now, but pretty close. But that's what you get with an 80s TV budgeta and 80s lack of CGI capabilities.
Cryptic seems to have decided they can't follow that model of laziness, probably because it would be way too obvious.
These ships will probably share the fate of those Fed kitbashes (like the one using that Maquis Raider and Intrepid model parts) and never make it into the game.

artan42 · October 2015

mustrumridcully0 wrote: »

The lazy thing was that TNG decided to take a Romulan Shuttle model, alter it a bit, and suddenly claim it's a ship that can carry a crew of 73+.

Again, they didn't. The Shuttle was seen in 'In the Pale Moonlight'. They modified the scout ship, a ship with no determined size at all.

Pkus the Yeager was seen so far back all that could be made out about it was that it was an Intrepid with wing like plyons. There's no reason why Cryptic would have to use Marquis Raider parts at all.

ships that the romulan faction are missing

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