Can we even defeat this Mirror Invasion?

iceeaglex · October 2015

So basically, from the Iconian missions, we have seen most of our (Allied) fleet destroyed. 50% were destroyed in a single mission. So we are up to about 80%? 90%? by the end. Depending on how you look at Midnight, maybe we only have 5 ships left, plus our own.
Either way, we basically have nothing left to stop an actual invasion. (I Thought this season was about rebuilding?)

So do you think they will have a terrible story where we DO actually win through combat. Something like, one episode your character kills off 10 Terran ships, pew pew, we won the war, the enemy are scattered and are retreating.

OR

More of a diplomatic win, like we capture Mirror Leeta and they have to leave, or we kidnap the Terran Emperors son and blackmail them, something like that.

OR

It turns out WE are in fact Mirror Terrans, the ONE that saved them back when they were slaves, and we can now order them to go home.

Also, now that the Alliance has been significantly weakened, where are the Breen, the Tholians, any other minor species that wants to pick a fight with us.

What i think should have happened, instead of one massive invasion (that we obviously can't beat because we have no fleet), lots of minor species should have annexed a few planets or systems. A few other planets should have rebelled and succeed. Then we could have had some diplomatic missions where we convince them to come back. And some pew pew missions were we fight off the invaders. Since the invaders are small, we can actually fight them with our depleted fleet. This would actually make sense.
We could explore AND pew pew.

rattler2 · October 2015

Considering that the Iconian War spanned pretty much the entire galaxy, so I'm sure there were conflicts with the Breen and Tholians that were off screen. Especially the Tholians as they have shown an interest in Iconian tech. As for the Mirror Terrans... depending on how they do it, they may only have a single beachhead in the Badlands, which would act like a choke point. What we have now would probably be enough to bottleneck them.

deaftravis05 · October 2015

Also, I think Kagran was talking about fleets that could take the offense.

hypl · October 2015

Invasion from the Mirror Universe? Please. We'll just BFAW everything as usual and wait for the next threat Cryptic cooks up.

Watch out for that Feedback Pulse though...

theraven2378 · October 2015

Quote Picton and Wellington at Waterloo, "they come on the same old way", "then we'll beat them in the same old way"

johnnymo1 · October 2015

Even during most of the dominion war a number of ships, like the Enterprise E were kept on the home front to defend home worlds. Granted a number of major home worlds were attacked but when the home defense fleets were pulled to the front lines. All of the home worlds were hit in the Iconian war, so it is reasonable that while a vast majority of ships in all fleets were destroyed, there also would have been a massive push to build as many ships as fast as possible. I could see a number of core worlds for all 3 of the major factions being called on to increase production of ships and components. What would be very cool would be if early in the arc a secret mission to the mirror universe was led by your character to not only cripple the terrian empire's ship building abilities, but steal a number of their ships to boost our own fleets.

capnmanx · October 2015

We could all put on fake beards then steal their fleet! Two birds, one stone.

farshore · October 2015

Mirror invasions are complicated and easily countered. They also just spent much of their resources fighting the Iconians in their dimension, and while it may be safe to assume their Iconians are dead, our Iconians are still in fighting shape.

warmaker001b · October 2015

Of course we'll crush another Terran Empire Invasion. Just one press of SPACE and a dozen of their ships are going to be destroyed. Please, this isn't even a contest.

legendarylycan · October 2015

farshore wrote: »

Mirror invasions are complicated and easily countered. They also just spent much of their resources fighting the Iconians in their dimension, and while it may be safe to assume their Iconians are dead, our Iconians are still in fighting shape.

maybe, but our iconians have absolutely no intention of helping us with our conflicts, so their living status doesn't matter; l'miren all but said 'stay away from us for the next 1-2 thousand years' at the end of midnight

fovrel · October 2015

As I understand in the Mirror universe, the Terrans wiped the floor with the Iconians, just opposite as it was in our universe. One can ask who and what is the threat. Are the Terrans just empire builders? If that is the case, their Iconian war is just one of the many.

Taking the mirror analogy. The mirror Iconians are probably not advanced at all and absolutely no threat. Anyway, we have to deal again with a crazy witch. I do think she looks better. I don't mind tagging along with her on a mission and she may do whatever she wants.

coupaholic · October 2015

warmaker001b wrote: »

Of course we'll crush another Terran Empire Invasion. Just one press of SPACE and a dozen of their ships are going to be destroyed. Please, this isn't even a contest.

Indeed. I dunno why we're beating around the bush here. We achieved God-like powers ages ago. When is the season of our ascension going to happen?

highlord83 · October 2015

It would certainly be a twist if we start out losing. Earth, Qo'nos and Mol'Rihan conquered, fleets swept aside, and the Alpha-Beta powers scattered, making the first chapter of the next expansion a guerrilla war of survival against a superior foe, with our "exploration" being searching for allies or safe haves to launch attacks against the Terran Empire.

adamkafei · October 2015

I predict this will be a simple matter of my ships wiping the floor with the mirror universe.

jorantomalak · October 2015

Yes we can beat the mirror invasion why?
Cryptic will put an object out there that we find that makes everything happy happy joy joy again like the iconian war we gave them their little crystal ball and now its all koombyah time.

mustrumridcully0 · October 2015

The Iconians were beaten by the Mirror Universe, but that doesn't meant hey suffered no heavy losses in doing so, too. Also, at least it used to be that the Mirror Universe couldn't just send any number of ships over -they need special portals and only small numbers of ships can get through at a time - that means even if they have a lot more ships than we did, we might still be able to hold them off.

coupaholic · October 2015

Even when we lose, we never lose.

flash525 · October 2015

If we can defeat the ancient Iconian Empire, we can damn well defeat a single Terran faction (unless all the mirror factions are coming at us, but I doubt they'd be able to co-exist, so it's unlikely we'll need to worry about them).

The combined forces of the Federation, Imperials, and Republicans, in addition to potential aid by the Tholian and Dominion, the Terran Empire doesn't stand a chance.

thay8472 · October 2015

Were doomed.

I'll arrange for someone to sign the surrender documents. Then We'll become part of the Terran Empire /muhahahaha

farmallm · October 2015

They will be taken care of with ease. They weak Iconians fell with ease. So they will fall even faster.

artan42 · October 2015

Am I not already part of the Terran Empire? I have an Oddy with upgrade hull and yellow markings with anti-proton beams. Is that not Terran enough?

coupaholic · October 2015

artan42 wrote: »

Am I not already part of the Terran Empire? I have an Oddy with upgrade hull and yellow markings with anti-proton beams. Is that not Terran enough?

I see no mention of a goatee. Where is your facial hair soldier!?

bernatk · October 2015

coupaholic wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

Am I not already part of the Terran Empire? I have an Oddy with upgrade hull and yellow markings with anti-proton beams. Is that not Terran enough?

I see no mention of a goatee. Where is your facial hair soldier!?

Happy?

artan42 · October 2015

coupaholic wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

Am I not already part of the Terran Empire? I have an Oddy with upgrade hull and yellow markings with anti-proton beams. Is that not Terran enough?

I see no mention of a goatee. Where is your facial hair soldier!?

I tried but I could't fit it on my Oddy. Maybe I'd have better luck on my Olympic, it's practically made for a goatee

.

fovrel · October 2015

Yeah, In the mirror universe women have beards and men have TRIBBLE, nobody is hot.

gradii · October 2015

fovrel wrote: »

As I understand in the Mirror universe, the Terrans wiped the floor with the Iconians, just opposite as it was in our universe. One can ask who and what is the threat. Are the Terrans just empire builders? If that is the case, their Iconian war is just one of the many.

Taking the mirror analogy. The mirror Iconians are probably not advanced at all and absolutely no threat. Anyway, we have to deal again with a crazy witch. I do think she looks better. I don't mind tagging along with her on a mission and she may do whatever she wants.

I love how they potrayed Mirror Leeta in assault on Terak Nor, lol. She's gone full Super Villain.

or by crazy witch do you mean... Shut-up-Sela... NOOOOO!!!

leviathan99 · October 2015

The Terrans also just finished their own Iconian War. They had their own super-weapon in place of the Krenim.

Now, I'm not sure if they have a Romulus or not (I really hope they do; I think that opens up some interesting potential) but they're probably in similarly rough shape to us.

legendarylycan · October 2015

stoleviathan99 wrote: »

They had their own super-weapon in place of the Krenim.

*cough*pah-wraith leeta*cough*

horizons2052 · October 2015

The mirror universe ALSO had a war with the Iconians. Just saying.

legendarylycan · October 2015

horizons2052 wrote: »

The mirror universe ALSO had a war with the Iconians. Just saying.

but unlike us, it sounds like the terrans curbstomped their iconians even without the aid of admiral god (which didn't help us in the slightest) at least according to leeta's monologue as seen below

Begin personal Log, Admiral Leeta of the Terran Empire warship Fortuna.

The Empire has won the grand battle and the galaxy is ours. The future reached back as we in the present stretched forth our hands to receive the instruments of our dominance. We slew the demons. Crowned in victory, we wield weapons ahead of their time and stand upon the corpse of the Iconian Conclave. All others bow before the might of the Terran Empire. Now it is time for the Empire to extend its reach beyond the veil.

I shall be the one to seize the glory. I shall be the one to seize the power. I will take my stronghold across and lay waste to those who oppose me. I have spilled the blood and the text has been revealed to me. Doubt has been burned away. The way is clear and I am worthy.

Their universe is within my grasp and I will take it.

coincidentally, that's also the same monologue that reveals she was possessed by a pah-wraith

Can we even defeat this Mirror Invasion?

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