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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,283 Arc User
    i beg to differ...some of team rocket's plans make sela's look positively spectacular by comparison
    yeah... some of what Jessie and James did was little more than random idiocy....

    Also they usually didn't plan their escape. Many times their plan literally blew up in their faces and that is how they left the scene.

    well, it kinda HAS to blow up in their faces, otherwise they can't do the whole "Team Rocket's blasting off again!" schtick​​
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  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    hfmudd wrote: »
    I said it on the last thread, I'll say it again:
    if she had any mnhei'sahe at all, she'd kill herself.

    But would you expect the same romulan honor of nobility from a worthless blunt ear?

    Sela is the daughter of a fool and a human and starfleet officer no less
  • tmassxtmassx Member Posts: 831 Arc User
    Those earthlings are even stupider than I thought , so let go free Sela, you can expect new problems with RSE remnants and perhaps their new allies of the Dominion. Admiral Quinn , Kagran and D' tan are a bunch naïve sweethearts , I 'm looking forward to it assumes someone more pragmatic . Please allow me liberate Donatra :wink:
  • amavaramavar Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    Shelana, AB FAB!!! MORE!!!
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    i beg to differ...some of team rocket's plans make sela's look positively spectacular by comparison​​
    i beg to differ...some of team rocket's plans make sela's look positively spectacular by comparison​​
    yeah... some of what Jessie and James did was little more than random idiocy....

    Also they usually didn't plan their escape. Many times their plan literally blew up in their faces and that is how they left the scene.

    like I said... team rocket has better writers than Sela :P
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  • kondemorkondemor Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    The most frightening thing is that there a re lots of people like Sela in out timeline and era. Fortunately they lack the skills and education of the empress.
  • mrspidey2mrspidey2 Member Posts: 959 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    dabelgrave wrote: »
    Why was she not locked up immediately upon return? Is Starfleet Security that naive?​​
    Because the last order Alliance command gave regarding Sela was to allow her to help (Uneasy Allies). I imagine right after the retreat of the Iconians Command had their hands full enough with clean-up and couldn't be bothered to deal with a single Romulan's antics. So technically, that last order still stands.

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  • apulseapulse Member Posts: 456 Arc User
    Well, I think they either put Sela to rest or there will be one last confrontation, I'm hoping for a epic cutscene where we kill her.
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  • coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    kondemor wrote: »
    The most frightening thing is that there are lots of people like Sela in our timeline and era. Fortunately they lack the skills and education of the empress.

    I will say this about her, she does appear to have the common sense that most don't. When she's not being a genocidal maniac of course.​​
  • rmy1081rmy1081 Member Posts: 2,840 Arc User
    Best line in the whole story: "Klingons rarely celebrated at less than full volume.." lol
  • desertjetsdesertjets Member Posts: 207 Arc User
    I think a few folks up thread may have alluded to it.... but I think most everyone else may be ignoring the obvious in Sela's escape from Earth. She was allowed to escape and she is being tailed -- whether it is Star Fleet Intelligence, Section 31, Tal'Dian, KDF intel, whoever.... somebod(ies) are with her and watching her every move. We already know from her time in custody on New Romulus that she isn't too cooperative with most interrogation methods. But after her escape she proved to be useful in the war effort. So the powers that be let her think she can slip away and regroup all while be followed and having valuable intel sent back to Alliance command.

    Oh yeah I also totally get that this is all really morally questionable, even by Klingon standards. But I get the feeling that she has completely fallen from grace. Gone from being really dangerous to just mostly harmless.
  • wilvwilv Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    I feel the Sela storyline is getting so repetitive and predictable at this point. There's so much potential for the character but they keep returning to the same old tropes. At one point I thought for sure she was going to pull a Regina (Once Upon A Time reference) and I was really excited. It seemed like her character was going to start on the road to redemption but now they have her plotting and scheming, again... It's getting OLD. Let's see some character development already.
  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    wilv wrote: »
    I feel the Sela storyline is getting so repetitive and predictable at this point. There's so much potential for the character but they keep returning to the same old tropes. At one point I thought for sure she was going to pull a Regina (Once Upon A Time reference) and I was really excited. It seemed like her character was going to start on the road to redemption but now they have her plotting and scheming, again... It's getting OLD. Let's see some character development already.

    She's an incurable psychopath, responsible for crimes against Romulanity and Remanity (as well as Vulcanity, Humanity, Klingonity, and probably several other -ities), as well as crimes against peace. She's too crafty to be incarcerated. She need to be executed. Let's see some execution already.
  • rabidredneck02rabidredneck02 Member Posts: 53 Arc User
    Let's go over her crimes we know of

    >Allowing Hirogen to target colonies and trade routes in exchange for their military aid
    >Overseeing research into Borg technology to create Indoctrination systems to create mind controlled slaves (using prisoners as test subjects)
    >Allying with Elachi for their scientific/military aid and allowing them to kidnap citizens to convert into Elachi
    >In the Fed route, setting up a peace conference as a ruse to attack Vulkan with the intent to deploy Thalaron weapons on the surface because "The Vulkcans let the homeworlds be destroyed!"
    >Attempting to deploy bombs to disrupt the Republic/Fed/Klingon talks

    Alluded to in-game
    >Ordering blockades of independant colonies causing mass starvation to force capitulation
    >Unilateral executions of anyone she considers a traitor or criminal, at best allowing a show trial
  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,283 Arc User
    protogoth wrote: »
    wilv wrote: »
    I feel the Sela storyline is getting so repetitive and predictable at this point. There's so much potential for the character but they keep returning to the same old tropes. At one point I thought for sure she was going to pull a Regina (Once Upon A Time reference) and I was really excited. It seemed like her character was going to start on the road to redemption but now they have her plotting and scheming, again... It's getting OLD. Let's see some character development already.

    She's an incurable psychopath, responsible for crimes against Romulanity and Remanity (as well as Vulcanity, Humanity, Klingonity, and probably several other -ities), as well as crimes against peace. She's too crafty to be incarcerated. She need to be executed. Let's see some execution already.

    can't we just trap her in the event horizon of a black hole? since apparently in star trek, event horizons are physical barriers you can get trapped behind...*eye roll*​​
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    #LegalizeAwoo

    A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
    An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
    A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
    A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"


    "It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
    "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
    Passion and Serenity are one.
    I gain power by understanding both.
    In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
    I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
    The Force is united within me.
  • nathraelnathrael Member Posts: 264 Arc User
    protogoth wrote: »
    wilv wrote: »
    I feel the Sela storyline is getting so repetitive and predictable at this point. There's so much potential for the character but they keep returning to the same old tropes. At one point I thought for sure she was going to pull a Regina (Once Upon A Time reference) and I was really excited. It seemed like her character was going to start on the road to redemption but now they have her plotting and scheming, again... It's getting OLD. Let's see some character development already.

    She's an incurable psychopath, responsible for crimes against Romulanity and Remanity (as well as Vulcanity, Humanity, Klingonity, and probably several other -ities), as well as crimes against peace. She's too crafty to be incarcerated. She need to be executed. Let's see some execution already.

    can't we just trap her in the event horizon of a black hole? since apparently in star trek, event horizons are physical barriers you can get trapped behind...*eye roll*​​

    Suspend her *at* the Roche Radius. Then she can experience the joys of spending an eternity dying instantly. You'd probably get some respect from T'Ket too for creativity.

    Or just a plasma bolt to the skull, either way she deserves annihilation.

  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    Let's go over her crimes we know of

    >Allowing Hirogen to target colonies and trade routes in exchange for their military aid
    >Overseeing research into Borg technology to create Indoctrination systems to create mind controlled slaves (using prisoners as test subjects)
    >Allying with Elachi for their scientific/military aid and allowing them to kidnap citizens to convert into Elachi
    >In the Fed route, setting up a peace conference as a ruse to attack Vulkan with the intent to deploy Thalaron weapons on the surface because "The Vulkcans let the homeworlds be destroyed!"
    >Attempting to deploy bombs to disrupt the Republic/Fed/Klingon talks

    Alluded to in-game
    >Ordering blockades of independant colonies causing mass starvation to force capitulation
    >Unilateral executions of anyone she considers a traitor or criminal, at best allowing a show trial
    1: apparently that only included people NOT loyal to her.
    2: enh...
    3: That seems more like a Hakeev thing.
    4: hehe, standard megalomania thing here really.
    5: ditto
    6: pretty typical warlord thing
    7: again... typical behavior for a tyrant.
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  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    I know! A Romulan storyline where the Feds and Klingons partake but the execution plays out differently for the three factions. The Klingons get to run her through. The Romulans get to choose the method of execution and the Federation tries to take her into custody but a Romulan operative with you kills her anyways, leaving you to shrug and walk away.
  • gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    I know! A Romulan storyline where the Feds and Klingons partake but the execution plays out differently for the three factions. The Klingons get to run her through. The Romulans get to choose the method of execution and the Federation tries to take her into custody but a Romulan operative with you kills her anyways, leaving you to shrug and walk away.

    Not unlike how Hakeev is disposed of...

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  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    gulberat wrote: »
    I know! A Romulan storyline where the Feds and Klingons partake but the execution plays out differently for the three factions. The Klingons get to run her through. The Romulans get to choose the method of execution and the Federation tries to take her into custody but a Romulan operative with you kills her anyways, leaving you to shrug and walk away.

    Not unlike how Hakeev is disposed of...


    true.

    Is that not fitting? The Klingons get an accolade "Sela's head" and so do rommies. The Feds don't get it.
  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    Why executing Sela yourself when you can finally make peace with T'Ket by offering Sela to her? One stone, two birds.
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  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    Okay. Federation: Your orders are to capture Sela and deliver her to T'Ket. However she is slain by a Romulan operative. You shrug as they remove her head. You bring her body to T'ket. Peace.

    Klingon. You kill the Romulan operative and you deliver T'ket the head.

    Romulan. You capture Sela, you kill her, cut her head off and hold it high, T'ket sees this and declares peace possible, and walks away.
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    Okay. Federation: Your orders are to capture Sela and deliver her to T'Ket. However she is slain by a Romulan operative. You shrug as they remove her head. You bring her body to T'ket. Peace.

    Klingon. You kill the Romulan operative and you deliver T'ket the head.

    Romulan. You capture Sela, you kill her, cut her head off and hold it high, T'ket sees this and declares peace possible, and walks away.
    with the way STO, and to a lesser extent Trek itself, works I will accept nothing less than disintegration. Leave a head and someone will clone it and she'll have a brain tape on file for someone to download her memories into or some TRIBBLE
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  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    Why executing Sela yourself when you can finally make peace with T'Ket by offering Sela to her? One stone, two birds.

    T'Ket has not suffered anything near what Romulans and Remans have suffered as a result of Sela. I will kill Sela, and if T'Ket doesn't like it, she's welcome to come try and stop me. Then I'll kill her, too. One stone, two birds.
  • fadmbambamfadmbambam Member Posts: 656 Arc User
    I don't get why Sela wasn't immediately arrested at the end of the mission. That's the very first thing I thought of and many of us agreed on in the chat channels - none of us would have just let her go.
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited October 2015
    After some unavoidable small talk Sela began to withdraw from the conversation. "Don't make eye contact," she recalled her father's advice with a twinge.

    Check out the Tales of the War piece featuring Sela here.

    ~Discuss in the forums

    Just what the hell is Cryptic's obsession with Her Royal Sociopathy anyway that they now have to give her Joker Immunity? JUST SHOOT HER IN THE GORRAM FACE ALREADY!
    I know! A Romulan storyline where the Feds and Klingons partake but the execution plays out differently for the three factions. The Klingons get to run her through. The Romulans get to choose the method of execution and the Federation tries to take her into custody but a Romulan operative with you kills her anyways, leaving you to shrug and walk away.

    Hell, at this point even my Fed Toon would be quite willing to shoot her "resisting arrest".
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  • gulberatgulberat Member Posts: 5,505 Arc User
    starswordc wrote: »
    Just what the hell is Cryptic's obsession with Her Royal Sociopathy anyway that they now have to give her Joker Immunity? JUST SHOOT HER IN THE GORRAM FACE ALREADY!

    As that entry alludes to...I would not be surprised if Cryptic signed a contract with Denise Crosby, not just pay by the appearance. :(
    Hell, at this point even my Fed Toon would be quite willing to shoot her "resisting arrest".

    My Cardassian would've been willing to take advantage of such an incident...

    Alyosha might've tried to be a bit more above board (well...if he thought he could get away with a little telekinetic tripwire without being noticed, he would), but he would definitely make a full effort to capture her and not just stand there.

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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    Okay. Federation: Your orders are to capture Sela and deliver her to T'Ket. However she is slain by a Romulan operative. You shrug as they remove her head. You bring her body to T'ket. Peace.

    Klingon. You kill the Romulan operative and you deliver T'ket the head.

    Romulan. You capture Sela, you kill her, cut her head off and hold it high, T'ket sees this and declares peace possible, and walks away.
    with the way STO, and to a lesser extent Trek itself, works I will accept nothing less than disintegration. Leave a head and someone will clone it and she'll have a brain tape on file for someone to download her memories into or some TRIBBLE
    Or maybe the clone is ready to take over as soon as she dies? Sela could have made one and kept it hidden somewhere.
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  • whisperorwhisperor Member Posts: 71 Arc User
    And so the true villain of STO has been revealed. >:)
  • solarwraithsolarwraith Member Posts: 191 Arc User
    Sela should have been spaced the first time she was in "custody."
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