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jestersage
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After I watched for the uniform, I really wish that Feds would get missions like that; not just unknowingly led around by an Undine, but knowingly attack colonies/research stations for not following Federation's directive.
Sisko is the only way a Federation captain should operate.
Sisko is the only way a Federation captain should operate.
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Sisko is that 2k DPSer you keep seeing pop up in otherwise enjoyable ISA runs.
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How many of those colonists could not escape death? Did he check how many ships they had to escape?
only Picard was ever really a good captain by starfleet standards. Kirk was a cowboy in space, sisko was a soldier, Janeway was kirk as a woman. And Archer wishes he was kirk.
P.S. it's not sisko's fault Jesus is a ground spec :P
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now, now. Don't be a hater. And Picard was good at his job and wasn't brown noser.The rest is true and what starfleet believed a captain a should be.You and I my disagree with that but it doesn't change starfleet standards.
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DIE BLASPHEMER! Kirk was the greatest and Janeway was the worst idiot in the entire Federation history, though Sisko destroying a planet was a distant second to Janeway aiding the Borg...
Sisko's insane irrational hatred of Eddington made him into a crazed sociopath. I really liked when they pointed this out in a later episode by comparing Sisko to Javert from Les Miserables. The unhinged cop who commits atrocious acts over a stolen loaf of bread....
He made it so human and as far as we know only humans couldn't live there not destroyed it. Get your war crime straight :P
Janeway at least didn't ask her Vulcan to take one for the team.
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OK.. What is archer... No really far as I can tell he is a poor man's kirk down to the sexaul tension with his Vulcan crew member.
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The man quit his post whenever he felt like it, broke the prime directive and half a dozen regs when it suited him, like when he was chasing Edrington.
Made MAJOR diplomatic decisions based on "visions" (which normally would get a Captain sent to section 8) and then in the end once again abandoned his position to fight a religious 1 man war.
Sorry does not sound like a very reliable captain to me.
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Oh please, two seconds into the Dominion war Picard would have surrendered, Kirk gone down fighting, Janeway made an alliance with the Borg and Archer invaded Vulcan.
Sisko was the only captain that could have possibly won the war for the Federation.
Also, if you think the Defiant could only do 2k, you obviously missed the Galaxy losing to a T1 B'Rel.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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he was the guy that had to fly by the seat of his pants, and generally made his own decisions without the benefits that others' experiences could afford. archer had no guiding starfleet protocols or directives to hold his hand. at most he had some outdated or heavily redacted vulcan maps and the occasional recollections of t'pol
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Also as far as Federation ideals and Sisko. Sisko did not order a subordinate to take in another junior officer that had been given private orders. And the vessel given orders to maintain a peace treaty. Not the peace, the treaty. By collecting rebels an enemy could not find and escorting them to an execution. (TNG Ensign Ro) This is another example from Picard of disobeying an order that seemed wrong.
Personal Opinion: For the Uniform, Sisko performed a trade. The Maquis had bio-bombed a planet making it inhospitable to Cardassians but just fine for humans. This was terrible but it seemed like instead of pulling out the stops and stopping this from happening again. It would have been a helpless shrug from command about, 'Well what can you do?' So he used a different bio-weapon to make the human maquis flee a colony. Surprise both abandoned colony personel can swap territories. The issue that formed the treaty that caused the Maquis to be founded in the first place. Starfleet should have condemned Sisko for the brash action. But seems to have condoned it for capturing the bio-weapons and Eddington. The ends in this case justifying the means. Something the admiralty seems fond of.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
as for the idea from the op, you are looking for an ambigious quest that you do not know where it leads because orders are orders? not the type of thing you want for a superhero star trek game it has been for years now. if and i mean if the dominion faction comes then sure, you can have these types of missions. but starfleet is not in the habit of conducting secret wars and usually such dark missions end up being brought to light anyway.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I don't know. The Iconians have used misinformation on the Alpha Quadrant powers before the fighting. They could lure a fleet to attack an innocent third party.
You also have various intelligence services wanting to put one in the win column so might try a bio-warfare scenario. You can also have the distasteful salted earth from war weary commanders. We are being pushed back so they Thalaron pulse a planet to deny it to the Heralds/Iconians.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
It was only made inhabitable for Humans, and he did it only after the Maqui (Eddington) did the same to a Cardassian Planet. And in the end all they 2 populaces had to do was switch planets.
I don't think Sisko comes off as a hero in the episode - in fact, he outright says he's acting the villain in a ploy to get Eddington to surrender. But any discussion of Sisko's actions and culpability should focus on the facts.
-The Maquis aren't civilians, they're terrorists. Even if you don't want to label them all terrorists, which I'm honestly ok with, the non-combatants still endorse or tacitly approve of the combatant's methods and goals. We're given no information however that there exists separate wings of the Maquis (a militant vs political wing, for instance), and no information about any other leadership other than Eddington (Cal Hudson presumably died prior to this episode if Eddington is the one calling the shots).
-Said Maquis had demonstrated that THEY weren't above using chemical weapons against the cardassians earlier in the episode. Indeed, this is what spurred Sisko on to take the Defiant (which was badly damaged from Eddington's ambush) and try to stop him.
-The USS Malinche, which was the only Starfleet vessel in the area at the time of the Maquis' biogenic attack, was disabled by the Maquis. As Sisko would point out in the climactic verbal joust with Eddington, the Maquis had demonstrated they're just as much of a threat to the Federation as they are to the cardassians, since during the course of this episode Eddington had ambushed and disabled two Federation starships.
-Sisko was under stress and his judgement may have been impaired.
There's another issue that should be addressed. Proportionality and immediate retaliation. Generally speaking a proportionate response is one where you hurt the enemy at least as much as they hurt you, rather than respond overwhelmingly because of the dangers of escalating a situation. When it comes to WMDs, the threat to use them is meaningless if you don't have the will to use them. One of the reasons why MAD worked during the Cold War was because both sides knew the other would follow through in a retaliation.
How does this relate to the episode? Ultimately Sisko's actions were proportionate (only one Maquis colony was bombarded compared to one Cardassian colony being attacked) and he used chemical weapons in retaliation for Eddington opening that Pandora's box. EDIT If Sisko's a bad guy for using trilithium-laced q-torps then Eddington is an even bigger prick because Sisko was only retaliating. Eddington was the one who started it. Even if both actions are essentially equivalent, the fact that Eddington instigated and escalated matters makes him much worse.
I'm not saying Sisko innocent or that he acted properly, but I'd like to think if the writers hadn't resolved everything with a neat bow tie at the end of the episode then the above outline I gave could serve as the basis for Sisko's defence strategy in a court martial. Too bad the Dominion chose to invade the Alpha Quadrant a week later :v
When the Defiant lost it was usually outnumbered, fighting way bigger ships, or disabled by a new weapon that also took out and entire combined federation/klingon/romulan fleet.
When the Enterprise-D lost it was to ferengi in three birds-of-prey (so probably not even top of the line warships), a fender bender with another starship, and an obsolete bird-of-prey after a pathetic display of a few shots to defend their selves.
Though to be fair starfleet does have a rule on the books that lets them glass inhabited planets, so it might not be that illegal.
It's a lazy way to justify being a agressor.
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To OP, you want questionable stuff in STO?
For a start, just count the ships you destroyed until reaching level 60, instead of just disabling them.
(and estimate the loss of lives)
Archer: Maverick Captain with no real deep space experience due to time period. Starfleet was just getting started really and Enterprise was the first long range explorer. There were bound to be mistakes as no one knew what to expect AT ALL.
Kirk: Space Cowboy with a woman in every port. 'Nuff said.
Picard: MUCH more diplomatic but willing to fight when pushed. Scarred by his experiences with the Borg.
Sisko: Scarred by his experiences at Wolf 359. He was put into an awkward position when he discovered the wormhole and the Bajorans saw him as a religious figure because of it.
Janeway: (Bad writing asside) I think Voyager was her first command, and her previous assignment was the Al Batani. She had to deal with being stranded in the Delta Quadrant, where there was NO bases to resupply at. Tough decisions had to be made in order to survive, including trading for supplies and even a temporary alliance with the evil she knew over the evil she didn't. And I'm pretty sure she fully expected a backstab when she did, and planned accordingly.
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Yes, he was a good captain by starfleet standards, that's what he said. you didn't have to re-enforce it.