Er...admittedly one of them is still my old test account that I deleted. Five of the people no longer play and might only pop on via Pidgin from time to time. There's the one person I've never spoken to in game. Then there's you...and I might reply half the time (if I'm even there). So can't count myself obviously...so...
We just spent a page explaining that we had an open community... and here all you guys are locked up tighter than {insert whichever dirty or non-dirty version your familiar with}. lol
We just spent a page explaining that we had an open community... and here all you guys are locked up tighter than {insert whichever dirty or non-dirty version your familiar with}. lol
Probably doesn't help that I'm normally in a chat tab titled "Quiet" either, eh? Hey, it shows [Team] and [Friend]...just er...not [Zone] nor pretty much anything else.
People that roll with stereotypes are ignorant dolts. Somebody says something, then get pissed off at them...stereotyping a group because of that? It's why I got ticked off earlier, knowing that the forums are so full of morons that do that stereotyping garbage. Try thinking instead, instead of being lazy...I know it's so hard...but try, eh?
I mean seriously.
Not all PvE folks are entitled scrubs.
Not all DPS folks are elitist douche nozzles.
Not all PvP folks type with their balls.
Not all this, not all that, etc, etc, etc...
...why do so many folks just do that stereotype garbage?
Congrats on reinforcing the negative stereotype of PvP'ers.
Someone expresses an opinion contrary to your own and you attempt to discredit it through personal attacks. :rolleyes:
Congrats on becoming what you're attacking. GG
Cause all you're doing is spitting acid in here dude.
I need to get to him. I can't just leave him out there alone. - Sometimes you've got to makes sacrifices, Lara. You can't save everyone. - I know about sacrifices. - No, you know about loss. Sacrifice is a choice you make. Loss is a choice made for you. - I can't choose to let him die, Roth.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
I used to pvp all the time. but the endless rep grind got to me, and with more power creep it got harder for me to keep up, so I took a break. I'm trying to slowly ease my way back into it.
It seems now that finding Pvp queues is like finding Jedi Knights post order 66, you can still find it but it's harder.
The main problem is newer players are always behind the 8 ball with the rep's, traits, and shinies, that it's hard for em to pass the learning curve, and get to the point that vet players are at.
I used to pvp all the time. but the endless rep grind got to me, and with more power creep it got harder for me to keep up, so I took a break. I'm trying to slowly ease my way back into it.
It seems now that finding Pvp queues is like finding Jedi Knights post order 66, you can still find it but it's harder.
The main problem is newer players are always behind the 8 ball with the rep's, traits, and shinies, that it's hard for em to pass the learning curve, and get to the point that vet players are at.
More like finding Thrawn after the Disney canon wipe. May or may not exist, if it does it's not the same as before, and the majority of people don't even know it existed in the first place.
I'd love to allow you guys to continue to express yourselves. I'm sure some of you don't believe that, but it's true.
However, when some of you choose to use means of expression that violate forum rules, or try to skirt around forum rules... well.
Hey, I'm willing to experiment. Prove me wrong. Show me there can still be a civil conversation in here that doesn't involve accusing each other, insults, etc. Prove that you can interact without slinging the troll label around when someone posts a dissenting point of view. Show me you're capable of reporting the few posts where someone insists on being a jerk anyway. I do read my PM's. I even occasionally read the ones crying about being moderated, and am pleasantly surprised when it turns out not to be an attempt to justify bad behavior.
Or, you can continue to reinforce the idea that Forum PvP is the main event and we can just shut 'er down.
Your choice.
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I'd love to allow you guys to continue to express yourselves. I'm sure some of you don't believe that, but it's true.
However, when some of you choose to use means of expression that violate forum rules, or try to skirt around forum rules... well.
Hey, I'm willing to experiment. Prove me wrong. Show me there can still be a civil conversation in here that doesn't involve accusing each other, insults, etc. Prove that you can interact without slinging the troll label around when someone posts a dissenting point of view. Show me you're capable of reporting the few posts where someone insists on being a jerk anyway. I do read my PM's. I even occasionally read the ones crying about being moderated, and am pleasantly surprised when it turns out not to be an attempt to justify bad behavior.
Or, you can continue to reinforce the idea that Forum PvP is the main event and we can just shut 'er down.
Your choice.
I'm going to pick up the experiment.
I need to get to him. I can't just leave him out there alone. - Sometimes you've got to makes sacrifices, Lara. You can't save everyone. - I know about sacrifices. - No, you know about loss. Sacrifice is a choice you make. Loss is a choice made for you. - I can't choose to let him die, Roth.
Or, you can continue to reinforce the idea that Forum PvP is the main event and we can just shut 'er down.
Don't let a couple bad apples ruin it for you. Surely you're aware by now that PvPers are pretty angry at getting shafted at every turn. It's gotten to the point where it's quicker to get a chat/forum PvP match than a queue pop.
Won't be me that does that. I'd prefer it if people would stop suggesting it because, here in this forum, that's seen as trolling by PvP'ers and I can't say I blame them.
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Thing is we can change that, but as long as Cryptic ignores this subforum/PvP aspect of the game to the point one has to ask for a dev to show up, there's nothing much that can be done.
I admit it, the idea was to actually make borticus write in here, much like people successfully call Taco or others elsewhere. Even a simple "hello" in here, would have at least confirmed that he actually reads this forum.
Here's the thing.
Cryptic doesn't really care about PvP (not meant to be an attack, stating the opposite would be false though) -> People vent anger for having PvP destroyed (which it is, the most fun people have are privates right now, period).
What I can admit is that it was true that a handful of people reacted badly, but Cryptic isn't sunny and shiny anyway, they have their own share of fault for creating this environment.
The HP buff idea was bad, but at least they tried which is important. Some over reacted to the fact that it was a bad idea, mainly because of the state of PvP right now which just feeds anger.
However ignoring even more PvP just makes people vent even more anger, and the vicious cycle restarts.
I need to get to him. I can't just leave him out there alone. - Sometimes you've got to makes sacrifices, Lara. You can't save everyone. - I know about sacrifices. - No, you know about loss. Sacrifice is a choice you make. Loss is a choice made for you. - I can't choose to let him die, Roth.
No, that's the answer to the wrong question. The real question was, as I recall, "Where is Borticus?"
As in, why aren't the Devs still engaging the PvP crowd? I think that's been answered pretty comprehensively at this point.
So maybe now the questions are, can the Community change that? Will Cryptic care? Is it too late?
Those questions are why I have chosen to leave this thread open. Another mod might choose differently if the tone continues to be non-constructive.
Props to the people who are trying to be constructive.
Won't be me that does that. I'd prefer it if people would stop suggesting it because, here in this forum, that's seen as trolling by PvP'ers and I can't say I blame them.
i'd say, as a customer and from my pov: it's not about the community to change that, it's about the company.
it's about the additions pwe/cryptic makes and the way they handle/moderate the feedback on those, as well as the community in whole and its sub-communities.
they did speak about things to come to pvp for years and nothing happened. by now they just have shown that they never really cared yet.
it's their party, we all are only guests. some paid more, some nothing. if i invite people to a party that tend to be a bit rude after being trolled for hours (=years) by the inviter, i'd better get em entertained or completely rid off them i guess.
and as every single customer is important in a world of money, yeah...
so, regarding the line of politeness i probably cross from time to time as well, i don't think such an attitude towards negative toned feedback/comments suits any service-oriented company. even in the muddiest collection of words one may can slap together to make some sense off it, there could be a gem of feedback that could change everything. in theory at least...
i'm not sayin "pvp-season, now!". i just say that the turn is on them regarding pvp and feedback imho.
nor i say "yay, troll em all" or such! i just meant to say that not everything that may sounds offending is bs just because of the sound.
Thing is we can change that, but as long as Cryptic ignores this subforum/PvP aspect of the game to the point one has to ask for a dev to show up, there's nothing much that can be done.
I admit it, the idea was to actually make borticus write in here, much like people successfully call Taco or others elsewhere. Even a simple "hello" in here, would have at least confirmed that he actually reads this forum.
Here's the thing.
Cryptic doesn't really care about PvP (not meant to be an attack, stating the opposite would be false though) -> People vent anger for having PvP destroyed (which it is, the most fun people have are privates right now, period).
What I can admit is that it was true that a handful of people reacted badly, but Cryptic isn't sunny and shiny anyway, they have their own share of fault for creating this environment.
The HP buff idea was bad, but at least they tried which is important. Some over reacted to the fact that it was a bad idea, mainly because of the state of PvP right now which just feeds anger.
However ignoring even more PvP just makes people vent even more anger, and the vicious cycle restarts.
Yeah, I get that.
But manipulating Bort into posting here isn't going to work. He's not going to engage for the sake of engaging, if I'm any good at observation. Even Taco doesn't post unless he's got something to say and right now most of this thread has been to point out that Bort's not posting here.
Why would anyone expect that he'd feel the need to comment about why he's not commenting?
Give him something to work with. He doesn't call the shots on what Cryptic decides to do with PvP, but he is an influencer and he does take pride in his work.
Novel, reasonable ideas that respect the fact that they can only throw limited resources into PvP right now might have a good hearing. Suggestions that amount to cutting the baby in half, not so much.
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As in, why aren't the Devs still engaging the PvP crowd? I think that's been answered pretty comprehensively at this point.
And what exactly is the answer?
When I think back at the few times when devs actually engaged the community (or it was at least looking as if they were going to, like when Gozer got assigned to PVP) they got showered with help offers - people making suggestions or listing bugs about whatever topic the dev was taking on, offering devs to take part in premades to see first hand what kind of issues high level pvp had and many things more.
And I think that this willingness to offer help once again, even after having been disappointed numerous times, is still there.
But I also think that any dev who wants to have a meaningful relationship with what remains of the PVP community must understand that for some of us, the few hours of STO:Rebirth on redshirt were the best hours in STO during the past year and that we are not joking when we say that we would prefer the roughness and imbalances of S1.2 over the abomination that STO PVP has become.
Yes, many of us are probably still willing to lend a helping hand if Cryptic actually decided to try and improve PVP. But we won't pretend that the current state of PVP is the players' fault. Because it is not.
But manipulating Bort into posting here isn't going to work. He's not going to engage for the sake of engaging, if I'm any good at observation. Even Taco doesn't post unless he's got something to say and right now most of this thread has been to point out that Bort's not posting here.
Why would anyone expect that he'd feel the need to comment about why he's not commenting?
Give him something to work with. He doesn't call the shots on what Cryptic decides to do with PvP, but he is an influencer and he does take pride in his work.
Novel, reasonable ideas that respect the fact that they can only throw limited resources into PvP right now might have a good hearing. Suggestions that amount to cutting the baby in half, not so much.
One simple thing to do is to make all weapons and gear levelless when the player enters a PvP zone or map. This ensures that there's no power imbalance between the players, no paywall for upgrading and bringing the ship up to PvP standards: the once good mk XII is now pointless if we speak of weapons. Only thing that would matter would be quality.
Additionally, it eliminates the issue of having "just one build". Means that if people upgrade a certain set of items, they won't use un-upgraded ones because they're worse, thus locking people up with a limited amount of mix and matching.
Then change the Plasma Explosion in a DoT, in order to be clearable through Hazard Emitters or WCE doff. Add vs. Players a lockout timer to avoid stacking. This would eliminate straight away the issue, or at least reduce it by a lot as vapers wouldn't be able to exploit it, nor faw boats.
These simple things would go a long way, do not need particular effort and would make PvP playable once again. Especially the levelless gear would make PvP alt-friendly as it always had been pre-DR.
But it's useless as long as suggestions get ignored.
I need to get to him. I can't just leave him out there alone. - Sometimes you've got to makes sacrifices, Lara. You can't save everyone. - I know about sacrifices. - No, you know about loss. Sacrifice is a choice you make. Loss is a choice made for you. - I can't choose to let him die, Roth.
Well, as amusing as it is to watch a dead horse be beaten senseless for 9 1/2 pages of listening to broken records post the same thing over and over without realizing all of this has happened before, yadi yadi ya....
Here's Bort. As I said, he's on /r/sto practically every day of the week. Want to talk to him? Go to him. Don't bother waiting for him to come into this thread, because it will not happen. Just heads up, its pretty smiles and sunshine over there, and they'll close down/delete any thread that gets offensive towards cryptic.
However, slow week at work, so if we want to continue this jerk of a circular shape... have at it, keeping me amused while I have nothing to code.
No, that's the answer to the wrong question. The real question was, as I recall, "Where is Borticus?"
As in, why aren't the Devs still engaging the PvP crowd? I think that's been answered pretty comprehensively at this point.
So maybe now the questions are, can the Community change that? Will Cryptic care? Is it too late?
Those questions are why I have chosen to leave this thread open. Another mod might choose differently if the tone continues to be non-constructive.
Props to the people who are trying to be constructive.
Won't be me that does that. I'd prefer it if people would stop suggesting it because, here in this forum, that's seen as trolling by PvP'ers and I can't say I blame them.
Keep fooling yourself man. Keep fooling yourself. I bet most Vets have been around here for longer than you even. We know what the real story is, there were never any plans to spend 1 single second on PvP in this game ever, it was decided wayyyy back even before Beta.
Dont forget who dumped tons of money in this game, PvPers, well worth plenty of money to cover a month worth of Developer attention to get some PVP stuff going. Yes thats true, Not only PVE'ers spent money in this game.
We've been lied to numberous and numberous times, you really still want to be civil? We're also human beings and we used to support this game. Even PvE'ers turn their backs on this game, Cryptic and PWE because thye do not like the direction that things are going.
Well, as amusing as it is to watch a dead horse be beaten senseless for 9 1/2 pages of listening to broken records post the same thing over and over without realizing all of this has happened before, yadi yadi ya....
Here's Bort. As I said, he's on /r/sto practically every day of the week. Want to talk to him? Go to him. Don't bother waiting for him to come into this thread, because it will not happen. Just heads up, its pretty smiles and sunshine over there, and they'll close down/delete any thread that gets offensive towards cryptic.
However, slow week at work, so if we want to continue this jerk of a circular shape... have at it, keeping me amused while I have nothing to code.
Yeah, tenth post of his has been done one month ago, average of one post every three days. Way to go everyday.
Edit: I said I was going to to pick up the experiment. I recognise the error, I'll keep the previous for myself.
I need to get to him. I can't just leave him out there alone. - Sometimes you've got to makes sacrifices, Lara. You can't save everyone. - I know about sacrifices. - No, you know about loss. Sacrifice is a choice you make. Loss is a choice made for you. - I can't choose to let him die, Roth.
other areas of the forums generally dont have that trait..
Are we reading the same forums where people get into 50 page arguments over disco balls?
Lots of competitive personalities to go around. lol.
Anyhow, I'm sure that there are people over at Cryptic and PWE who get competitive personalities. I have a strong feeling that our latest and greatest Community Manager is one of 'em.
But here's the thing. People can't say, "Hey, I'm the customer so I get to ignore the forum rules." Or, "Hey, I'm a competitive person so you're going to have to excuse me when I ignore the forum rules."
That won't wash here.
I've never once shut down a thread because people got angry. I've shut down plenty of them when people got abusive or kept inciting fights.
But now we're getting off topic.
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Yeah, tenth post of his has been done one month ago, average of one post every three days. Way to go everyday.
Do us a favor, shut up if you don't have anything constructive to add. To be honest, nobody really cares of the number of fks you give while "working" about STO forums. Keep your lame attitude for yourself.
Riccardo, I just gave you a way to get in touch with bort. Rather than be 12, use it. One every three days is still more than you will see him here (practically never). Making threads like this is getting comically old, at least your driveclub posts were less hostile. So there you go. Grow up. Mesaage his reddit account. Be polite. Maybe something will come of it. Posting here, this type of ****, every damn day just reinforces why no dev ventures to this subforum. Unless you truely make these posts as a joke or trolling, at this point you have every answer you need. If you actually want to talk to bort, you have a way. If you want to be 12, open the same coversation about QQ devs left us, keep the **** posting in general.
Yes, many of us are probably still willing to lend a helping hand if Cryptic actually decided to try and improve PVP. But we won't pretend that the current state of PVP is the players' fault. Because it is not.
Everything Mancom posted is truth.
The last bit is the current state. We are a little sick of being blamed for the death of PvP. We where not impressed by Borts last public PvP comment. We have been unimpressed by previous implications that it is somehow the users fault for there failure to expand on PvP in any meaningful way.
Yes we all appreciate they have attempted a few minor steps, the Shuttle que may be dead mainly due to sever balance issues. At least it was an attempt at something and it was and is appreciated. That fiasco should have shown them exactly how broken there game has become. What should have been one of the most fun things added to the game in 5 years turned out not to be... as it really showcased just how terrible some of the consoles/traits/boffs that have been tacked on the last few years can be for PvP.
At this point pointing at us, or poking, or simply ignoring... is pretty offensive to most of us. Granted we have been vocal about feeling lied to previously when we would get a "next season" or "its being tested internally now" line... really though can they really blame us for that negativity. (well they have tried haven't they) If a products company like apple or any other was announcing products and then never selling them... would it be ok for them to paint their customers as negative for mentioning it down the line.
We all know now that for PvP to honestly get a revamp it needs to be destroyed and rebuilt. Clearly the PvP system is on some legacy bit of code that hasn't been touched. The broken score board makes it clear they don't have much of an idea as to how that code works. They keep adding new PvE Que maps... really how hard would it be to us that newer code which they clearly understand to recreate a new PvP experience. They have code that can load you onto a PvE map and switch and auto swap you into your shuttle. All the tech is there... so how hard would it be to create a "PvP ship" and a new PvP que that would load everyone into that on load. The ground work... the heavy lifting code wise seems like it is already done. I understand of course it would still require work to pull off... however the market is there. (ok PvP players are not really in force in the game right now) Build it though... and a ton of players will make there way back.
Cryptics competition out there make lots of $ from PvP and PvP players. More people enjoy pvp in general then they like to admit. Every other AAA or AA MMO has a vibrant PvP community... and many of industries current mmos are PvP only, and more and more are on the way that are 100% PvP games. STO still has the potential to be one of the best in the game, in regard to PVP. It simply needs to have a redesign and a design that revolves around balance. I know geko thinks keeping things inbalanced makes for compelling game play... and his theory isn't 100% wrong, its simply about the implementation. As soon as players easily spot the imbalances the effect he is looking for of making people feel special is lost.
So maybe now the questions are, can the Community change that? Will Cryptic care? Is it too late?
It's...not just about the PvP forum community though, is it? Hell, let's say we just focus on what happened with Bort (ignoring all the departed devs), yeah?
All the Pet Dev stuff...all the Puppet Dev stuff...
Then any time anything is posted, how folks show up blaming the PvP folks for it - ignoring any reasons otherwise given...
...back to the Pet/Puppet stuff.
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Your first post in the thread, heh, that could be something Trendy could mass PM to the forums in general. Hell, it could be something set up as a confirmation for every post somebody goes to make - anywhere on the forums...Are you sure you want to post what you're about to post? Think about it.
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It's not just the frustration of the few remaining folks in the PvP forums that make the interaction...less than desirable.
How many things, as is, get posted over on reddit instead of here, eh? It's not just the PvP folks that one might see the devs as trying to avoid...
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LOL! Lura taught me that trick about a year ago?
For my own sanity and safety I did it. I JUST reversed it today. See what lulz come my way.:D
Probably doesn't help that I'm normally in a chat tab titled "Quiet" either, eh? Hey, it shows [Team] and [Friend]...just er...not [Zone] nor pretty much anything else.
My character Tsin'xing
Congrats on becoming what you're attacking. GG
Cause all you're doing is spitting acid in here dude.
My character Tsin'xing
Q: Oh come now, <player rank>, don't you think that joke is getting a little old? :P
It seems now that finding Pvp queues is like finding Jedi Knights post order 66, you can still find it but it's harder.
The main problem is newer players are always behind the 8 ball with the rep's, traits, and shinies, that it's hard for em to pass the learning curve, and get to the point that vet players are at.
[/SIGPIC]
More like finding Thrawn after the Disney canon wipe. May or may not exist, if it does it's not the same as before, and the majority of people don't even know it existed in the first place.
However, when some of you choose to use means of expression that violate forum rules, or try to skirt around forum rules... well.
Hey, I'm willing to experiment. Prove me wrong. Show me there can still be a civil conversation in here that doesn't involve accusing each other, insults, etc. Prove that you can interact without slinging the troll label around when someone posts a dissenting point of view. Show me you're capable of reporting the few posts where someone insists on being a jerk anyway. I do read my PM's. I even occasionally read the ones crying about being moderated, and am pleasantly surprised when it turns out not to be an attempt to justify bad behavior.
Or, you can continue to reinforce the idea that Forum PvP is the main event and we can just shut 'er down.
Your choice.
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I'm going to pick up the experiment.
**buys star citizen ship instead of master keys**
Don't let a couple bad apples ruin it for you. Surely you're aware by now that PvPers are pretty angry at getting shafted at every turn. It's gotten to the point where it's quicker to get a chat/forum PvP match than a queue pop.
No, that's the answer to the wrong question. The real question was, as I recall, "Where is Borticus?"
As in, why aren't the Devs still engaging the PvP crowd? I think that's been answered pretty comprehensively at this point.
So maybe now the questions are, can the Community change that? Will Cryptic care? Is it too late?
Those questions are why I have chosen to leave this thread open. Another mod might choose differently if the tone continues to be non-constructive.
Props to the people who are trying to be constructive.
Won't be me that does that. I'd prefer it if people would stop suggesting it because, here in this forum, that's seen as trolling by PvP'ers and I can't say I blame them.
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I admit it, the idea was to actually make borticus write in here, much like people successfully call Taco or others elsewhere. Even a simple "hello" in here, would have at least confirmed that he actually reads this forum.
Here's the thing.
Cryptic doesn't really care about PvP (not meant to be an attack, stating the opposite would be false though) -> People vent anger for having PvP destroyed (which it is, the most fun people have are privates right now, period).
What I can admit is that it was true that a handful of people reacted badly, but Cryptic isn't sunny and shiny anyway, they have their own share of fault for creating this environment.
The HP buff idea was bad, but at least they tried which is important. Some over reacted to the fact that it was a bad idea, mainly because of the state of PvP right now which just feeds anger.
However ignoring even more PvP just makes people vent even more anger, and the vicious cycle restarts.
i'd say, as a customer and from my pov: it's not about the community to change that, it's about the company.
it's about the additions pwe/cryptic makes and the way they handle/moderate the feedback on those, as well as the community in whole and its sub-communities.
they did speak about things to come to pvp for years and nothing happened. by now they just have shown that they never really cared yet.
it's their party, we all are only guests. some paid more, some nothing. if i invite people to a party that tend to be a bit rude after being trolled for hours (=years) by the inviter, i'd better get em entertained or completely rid off them i guess.
and as every single customer is important in a world of money, yeah...
so, regarding the line of politeness i probably cross from time to time as well, i don't think such an attitude towards negative toned feedback/comments suits any service-oriented company. even in the muddiest collection of words one may can slap together to make some sense off it, there could be a gem of feedback that could change everything. in theory at least...
i'm not sayin "pvp-season, now!". i just say that the turn is on them regarding pvp and feedback imho.
nor i say "yay, troll em all" or such! i just meant to say that not everything that may sounds offending is bs just because of the sound.
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Yeah, I get that.
But manipulating Bort into posting here isn't going to work. He's not going to engage for the sake of engaging, if I'm any good at observation. Even Taco doesn't post unless he's got something to say and right now most of this thread has been to point out that Bort's not posting here.
Why would anyone expect that he'd feel the need to comment about why he's not commenting?
Give him something to work with. He doesn't call the shots on what Cryptic decides to do with PvP, but he is an influencer and he does take pride in his work.
Novel, reasonable ideas that respect the fact that they can only throw limited resources into PvP right now might have a good hearing. Suggestions that amount to cutting the baby in half, not so much.
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When I think back at the few times when devs actually engaged the community (or it was at least looking as if they were going to, like when Gozer got assigned to PVP) they got showered with help offers - people making suggestions or listing bugs about whatever topic the dev was taking on, offering devs to take part in premades to see first hand what kind of issues high level pvp had and many things more.
And I think that this willingness to offer help once again, even after having been disappointed numerous times, is still there.
But I also think that any dev who wants to have a meaningful relationship with what remains of the PVP community must understand that for some of us, the few hours of STO:Rebirth on redshirt were the best hours in STO during the past year and that we are not joking when we say that we would prefer the roughness and imbalances of S1.2 over the abomination that STO PVP has become.
Yes, many of us are probably still willing to lend a helping hand if Cryptic actually decided to try and improve PVP. But we won't pretend that the current state of PVP is the players' fault. Because it is not.
One simple thing to do is to make all weapons and gear levelless when the player enters a PvP zone or map. This ensures that there's no power imbalance between the players, no paywall for upgrading and bringing the ship up to PvP standards: the once good mk XII is now pointless if we speak of weapons. Only thing that would matter would be quality.
Additionally, it eliminates the issue of having "just one build". Means that if people upgrade a certain set of items, they won't use un-upgraded ones because they're worse, thus locking people up with a limited amount of mix and matching.
Then change the Plasma Explosion in a DoT, in order to be clearable through Hazard Emitters or WCE doff. Add vs. Players a lockout timer to avoid stacking. This would eliminate straight away the issue, or at least reduce it by a lot as vapers wouldn't be able to exploit it, nor faw boats.
These simple things would go a long way, do not need particular effort and would make PvP playable once again. Especially the levelless gear would make PvP alt-friendly as it always had been pre-DR.
But it's useless as long as suggestions get ignored.
Here's Bort. As I said, he's on /r/sto practically every day of the week. Want to talk to him? Go to him. Don't bother waiting for him to come into this thread, because it will not happen. Just heads up, its pretty smiles and sunshine over there, and they'll close down/delete any thread that gets offensive towards cryptic.
However, slow week at work, so if we want to continue this jerk of a circular shape... have at it, keeping me amused while I have nothing to code.
Keep fooling yourself man. Keep fooling yourself. I bet most Vets have been around here for longer than you even. We know what the real story is, there were never any plans to spend 1 single second on PvP in this game ever, it was decided wayyyy back even before Beta.
Dont forget who dumped tons of money in this game, PvPers, well worth plenty of money to cover a month worth of Developer attention to get some PVP stuff going. Yes thats true, Not only PVE'ers spent money in this game.
We've been lied to numberous and numberous times, you really still want to be civil? We're also human beings and we used to support this game. Even PvE'ers turn their backs on this game, Cryptic and PWE because thye do not like the direction that things are going.
Yeah, tenth post of his has been done one month ago, average of one post every three days. Way to go everyday.
Edit: I said I was going to to pick up the experiment. I recognise the error, I'll keep the previous for myself.
Are we reading the same forums where people get into 50 page arguments over disco balls?
Lots of competitive personalities to go around. lol.
Anyhow, I'm sure that there are people over at Cryptic and PWE who get competitive personalities. I have a strong feeling that our latest and greatest Community Manager is one of 'em.
But here's the thing. People can't say, "Hey, I'm the customer so I get to ignore the forum rules." Or, "Hey, I'm a competitive person so you're going to have to excuse me when I ignore the forum rules."
That won't wash here.
I've never once shut down a thread because people got angry. I've shut down plenty of them when people got abusive or kept inciting fights.
But now we're getting off topic.
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Riccardo, I just gave you a way to get in touch with bort. Rather than be 12, use it. One every three days is still more than you will see him here (practically never). Making threads like this is getting comically old, at least your driveclub posts were less hostile. So there you go. Grow up. Mesaage his reddit account. Be polite. Maybe something will come of it. Posting here, this type of ****, every damn day just reinforces why no dev ventures to this subforum. Unless you truely make these posts as a joke or trolling, at this point you have every answer you need. If you actually want to talk to bort, you have a way. If you want to be 12, open the same coversation about QQ devs left us, keep the **** posting in general.
Everything Mancom posted is truth.
The last bit is the current state. We are a little sick of being blamed for the death of PvP. We where not impressed by Borts last public PvP comment. We have been unimpressed by previous implications that it is somehow the users fault for there failure to expand on PvP in any meaningful way.
Yes we all appreciate they have attempted a few minor steps, the Shuttle que may be dead mainly due to sever balance issues. At least it was an attempt at something and it was and is appreciated. That fiasco should have shown them exactly how broken there game has become. What should have been one of the most fun things added to the game in 5 years turned out not to be... as it really showcased just how terrible some of the consoles/traits/boffs that have been tacked on the last few years can be for PvP.
At this point pointing at us, or poking, or simply ignoring... is pretty offensive to most of us. Granted we have been vocal about feeling lied to previously when we would get a "next season" or "its being tested internally now" line... really though can they really blame us for that negativity. (well they have tried haven't they) If a products company like apple or any other was announcing products and then never selling them... would it be ok for them to paint their customers as negative for mentioning it down the line.
We all know now that for PvP to honestly get a revamp it needs to be destroyed and rebuilt. Clearly the PvP system is on some legacy bit of code that hasn't been touched. The broken score board makes it clear they don't have much of an idea as to how that code works. They keep adding new PvE Que maps... really how hard would it be to us that newer code which they clearly understand to recreate a new PvP experience. They have code that can load you onto a PvE map and switch and auto swap you into your shuttle. All the tech is there... so how hard would it be to create a "PvP ship" and a new PvP que that would load everyone into that on load. The ground work... the heavy lifting code wise seems like it is already done. I understand of course it would still require work to pull off... however the market is there. (ok PvP players are not really in force in the game right now) Build it though... and a ton of players will make there way back.
Cryptics competition out there make lots of $ from PvP and PvP players. More people enjoy pvp in general then they like to admit. Every other AAA or AA MMO has a vibrant PvP community... and many of industries current mmos are PvP only, and more and more are on the way that are 100% PvP games. STO still has the potential to be one of the best in the game, in regard to PVP. It simply needs to have a redesign and a design that revolves around balance. I know geko thinks keeping things inbalanced makes for compelling game play... and his theory isn't 100% wrong, its simply about the implementation. As soon as players easily spot the imbalances the effect he is looking for of making people feel special is lost.
It's...not just about the PvP forum community though, is it? Hell, let's say we just focus on what happened with Bort (ignoring all the departed devs), yeah?
All the Pet Dev stuff...all the Puppet Dev stuff...
Then any time anything is posted, how folks show up blaming the PvP folks for it - ignoring any reasons otherwise given...
...back to the Pet/Puppet stuff.
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Your first post in the thread, heh, that could be something Trendy could mass PM to the forums in general. Hell, it could be something set up as a confirmation for every post somebody goes to make - anywhere on the forums...Are you sure you want to post what you're about to post? Think about it.
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It's not just the frustration of the few remaining folks in the PvP forums that make the interaction...less than desirable.
How many things, as is, get posted over on reddit instead of here, eh? It's not just the PvP folks that one might see the devs as trying to avoid...