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  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    If they want to make some $ off of a new release for the RMC, they could do it with a new season release package involved, this way people can get it but, certainly not cheaply in the zen dept.
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  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I have an RMC from the Event in question. Not knowing anything at all about the RMC prior to this event, I expected it to be a rather nifty addition to my Science Guys which would solve that pesky Aux power problem once and for all. I unlocked it on one and proceeded t unlock it on another.

    Whoops. That did not go as advertised. Oh well, I got it on one. No biggie. Two things I learned from this:
    1) Smirk could not deploy a proper ship build to save his mortal soul. He did not play in God Mode because he could. He played in God Mode because he had to.
    2) Livestream Events draw the less than desirable crowd the same way a dark kitchen draws cockroaches. I really don't want to be associated in any way with that lot.

    TBH, the RMC is just like all the other nifty TRIBBLE which Cryptic so generously gives way. A neat piece of chrome which is somewhat useful in specific situations which occur infrequently in game. But it is most definitely not something intended for every day usage.

    Sadly, the uproar over things like this will always continue. I have the Warrior Sash available because I was playing the game during the time when Cryptic released it to commemorate the 25th Anniversary of TNG. I use it on my KDF personnel because it is distinctive. I decided to forgo the Sixties girl group hairdo it came with, but I do use the Warrior Goatee as well. It's really neat to have something which is limited in scope. But if Cryptic decides to release these items again tomorrow, I am not going to lose any sleep due to this. I won't be a special snowflake any more, but if having the Warrior Sash, Worf's hairdo, and Warrior Goatee enables someone else to enjoy the game more so they play more often and maybe spend a little coin to help keep the lights on...drumroll...Ching!

    I'm good with it.
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  • aesicaaesica Member Posts: 736 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I will never understand the entitlement issues people have these days that keeps infecting every game. :rolleyes:

    It used to be that exclusive was permanently exclusive. You want the unique and special shinies you get them when the opportunity is offered to you or you don't, its plain and simple.
    Sadly MMO developers these days seem to be listening more and more to entitled whiners and no longer honor what "exclusive" actually means.

    In fact one wonders why they even bother with the "exclusive" moniker for anything anymore, seeing as its its so often misleading a big fat lie.
    Aah, "entitlement." The favorite word of greedy wretches who want everything for themselves and nothing for everyone else. Disgusting.
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  • hipachilleshipachilles Member Posts: 195 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Respectfully the OP felt it was necessary to justify his request by indirectly stating how much he spends on the game and that smacks of entitlement to some people.

    Maybe. But honestly, the game has evolved along with the entire industry since 2010. Items once only available in a collectors box set are a relic in this day and age. We live in the world of microtransactions where every item can be obtained for a small fee. I don't see that as entitlement as much as a reasonable market expectation.
  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I had the Red Matter already from buying the game (a second one) from Target (I think) so you guys can go jump in a lake about whining about not having one for all your toons. :P
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Speaking for only myself as an "Old Guard", I have no objection to seeing any of the special edition or pre-order perks re-released, given away or put on sale in the C-Store.

    New people getting access to that stuff won't negatively impact my game play, and I don't have a fragile ego that will shatter if I'm no longer a unique snowflake with delusions that some digital geegaws makes me superior to those without said geegaws.


    Free worthless TRIBBLE for everyone!!! :D

    indeed i dont see the point hiding it from the new players either. the rmc is almost impossible if not completely impossible to get because i doubt there is a collectors copy anywhere with a code thats still unused and even if there were, the price for the code would be astronomical and most certainly not worth it.

    whats the point it doingnothing about it? you may as well just take the restriction off it and make it easier to get unless cryptic plans another wave of new collectors editions...
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  • senatorvreenaksenatorvreenak Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    aesica wrote: »
    Aah, "entitlement." The favorite word of greedy wretches who want everything for themselves and nothing for everyone else. Disgusting.

    Nice, do you also go to peoples homes demanding they give you whatever limited edition items the have as well? :rolleyes:
  • amezukiamezuki Member Posts: 364 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Those of us who paid for the Collector's Edition got the RMC for the whole account. Why should random slackers get it for free?

    So I oppose this idea.
    You don't speak for everyone who paid for the CE.

    I don't have any need to feel better than someone else because I have something they don't. The fact that they have the same thing doesn't take anything away from me.

    Besides, those of us for paid for the CE already have it as an account-wide unlock. It's only fair that anyone who has it also has it account-wide.
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  • aesicaaesica Member Posts: 736 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Nice, do you also go to peoples homes demanding they give you whatever limited edition items the have as well? :rolleyes:
    No, because that's silly and I don't take my MMOs that seriously. I just fail to understand why someone else getting a formerly out-of-print shiny supposedly ruins your gameplay experience.
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  • ddplattddplatt Member Posts: 83 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    With the old point defence console (sorry I forget the name of, it fires 60 points of plasma at near by objects, the pack also had the multi-spacial personal shield, the emotes, and the ambassador & NX title) they made a similar version under a different name and icon and sold with as special console with a C-Store ship, would put it past them doing this one day for the RMC, which I feel would be fine due to it being out so long now, same thing happen to most of the above pack.
  • dpsloss88dpsloss88 Member Posts: 765 Arc User
    edited May 2015

    On unrelated notes:
    • Smirk is no longer a community manager
    • They no longer give out mass redemption codes
    • There aren't many (any?) streams anymore

    This may not be an "Unrelated" list. Maybe smirk gave the peasants too much cake?
  • hipachilleshipachilles Member Posts: 195 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    dpsloss88 wrote: »
    This may not be an "Unrelated" list. Maybe smirk gave the peasants too much cake?

    It was tongue-in-cheek. They immediately stopped giving out redemption codes to the masses after that incident. I don't wish to speculate on why Smirk is gone, however.



    $45.59 and $89.99 on ebay claiming unused codes and factory seal intact. The $89.99 is roughly $20 bucks more than the original sales price at launch.

    This I don't understand. So you are fine with someone spending $50 on ebay to get a code that may not even work, along with other things they likely don't want or need, such as the disc itself.

    Then you likely wouldn't have any problem with it coming with a new ship (call it the Tier 6 Oberth with 5sci2tac3eng consoles) for 5000 zen? A ship they don't want or need just to get the device for the exact same cost. Any objections to that?
  • thetaninethetanine Member Posts: 1,367 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    deokkent wrote: »
    I participated in that livestream. The code was character bound from the get go. Smirk was just misinformed how it worked. Plus it didn't matter that people spammed the code, there was a limited amount of free RMC codes that the server could accept.

    The code was character bound from the get go. Smirk was just misinformed how it worked. Plus it didn't matter that people spammed the code, there was a limited amount of free RMC codes that the server could accept.
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  • mackbolan01mackbolan01 Member Posts: 580 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    you kids get off my lawn!
  • timpantstimpants Member Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Nope. No objection at all.

    A collector's edition of a video game should come with unique real and/or digital items and/or account wide unlocks that aren't available to the general player base. Otherwise there is no justification for calling it a collector's edition and charging more for it.

    Why should anyone care if some idiot spends more money on a game to get a few worthless exclusive shinies that don't negatively impact their own gameplay?

    Are their ego's are so fragile and easily traumatized that they can't enjoy the game knowing other players have unique/exclusive shinies from unique events, limited purchases that they either missed, chose not to participate in, or chose not to purchase?
    I can throw that right back at you. Is your ego so fragile and easily traumatised that you can't enjoy the game knowing that someone else has the same stuff as you?

    Besides, lots of games will later release collectors edition/preorder stuff for everyone, and STO has released pre-order stuff before on the c-store.
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    $45.59 and $89.99 on ebay claiming unused codes and factory seal intact. The $89.99 is roughly $20 bucks more than the original sales price at launch.

    the question now becomes would you spend 45 dollars or 90 dollars on a code to get an ingame virtual item that is not worth a fraction of those costs or would you instead throw a few dollars at the screen for a cheap t5 ship and upgrade token from the z store? the latter is significantly more cheaper, especially using the 90 dollar price.

    at launch not a lot of people were expecting that much and a lot of stuff in that pack had value back way back when as well as the fact the game was sub only, and now you look at the whole thing and you only want the rmc, not the cd or the booklets or the cardboard case or the free month that may or may not be valid any more. there is no value in it except the rmc code. but this is one or two of an example of a tiny amount left.

    but that still doesnt answer the original question, where can new players get an rmc these days?
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  • aesicaaesica Member Posts: 736 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    He never said that. That's what YOU read into his post because YOU decided HE was indulging in entitlement instead of, or along with, the OP.


    senatorvreenak made a valid point about the fact that the items included in the Collector's Edition were advertised as being exclusive to that purchase only.
    If that's indeed the case, then I'll apologize. I'm from WoW, where words like "entitlement" are almost always thrown around in nasty ways by elitists who want to keep as much loot/wealth/special snowflakery/etc as they can out of everyone else's hands but their own.

    When applied to the OP and his "I-spend-tons-of-money-so-I-deserve-everything" attitude, then yeah, I agree. That is an undeserved sense of entitlement.

    So if that's what he was getting at, then oops, I'll admit I jumped the gun a bit.

    In terms of the RMC itself, if it was indeed promised as a collectors' edition exclusive item, it probably should've stayed that way. It's perfectly okay to release an item similar to the RMC though. In fact, I'd love that (even if it was inferior to batteries) because I detest consumables with every fiber of my being.
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  • dongemaharudongemaharu Member Posts: 544 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    What's the point of having something exclusive if it's not.... exclusive? One of the things that makes these items special is their rarity. I mean, if we end the concept of exclusivity entirely, then ok. Hook me up with some Khan duds even though I dont have the arc launcher.
  • ussdanubeussdanube Member Posts: 105 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Why not make them purchaseable from the c-store BUT make them single purchases similar to tribbles, NOT account unlocks, say 500 zen each? The CE owners would still have the account wilde unlock, and people who want them on multiple alts will have to pay mass amounts of zen.
  • hyefatherhyefather Member Posts: 1,286 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Mine is account wide isn't yours? Life just isn't fair. boo hoo, I want my mommy. Get over it. If you got the RMC thats character only then you got it for free. If you stood in line at Gamestop for 5 hours waiting for the midnight opening for ppl who pre-ordered STO (for 89.99) then you got the account wide RMC.
  • orion0029orion0029 Member Posts: 1,122 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2015
    I'd like to start by saying I don't really care about this argument.

    That said...

    Many people wait in lines for hours and pay much much more than a game (even a collector's edition) just to get a cell phone, which they will discard in a year or two, and wait in line for hours for the next even more expensive one anyway.

    So, why does it matter if something you paid for 5 years ago is given away for free now?

    I don't understand this argument, especially since I have the RMC and I don't find it all that useful. As for having something unique and 'special' for your early support of the game, they gave out "Red Squad" titles for early supporters didn't they? Anything else is just goodies, which can be re-released at Cryptic's discretion, since it IS their game we just play it.

    Oh, and paying for effectively a few bits of data on a server, it is your own fault for buying something which has the possibility of going free at a later date, yes? (Much like C-Store ships given away during givaways, similar but not exactly the same...)

    Considering the masses desire to have these devices, Cryptic would be alienating the bulk of their paying customers by not acting on this, so it would be in Cryptic's best interest to make such a widely desired item available to the paying public, regardless of the hurt feelings of a few early buyers.

    Edit: Removed potentially offensive arguments for being akin to trolling and/or flaming.
  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    hyefather wrote: »
    Mine is account wide isn't yours? Life just isn't fair. boo hoo, I want my mommy. Get over it. If you got the RMC thats character only then you got it for free. If you stood in line at Gamestop for 5 hours waiting for the midnight opening for ppl who pre-ordered STO (for 89.99) then you got the account wide RMC.

    Probably should take your own advice here.

    Getting this worked up over a five year old purchase cannot be good for your mental health. After I unlocked the RMC on my one character, I realized it was just like all the other 'collectible' items. Not really worth the money or time. It's okay within a limited set of parameters. But all this Dog in a manger stuff you're spewing now will come back to bite you. Karma, baby. And you've obviously been ordering the bad version by job lots.

    But before I go, I have to ask. What is it like living as one of PT Barnum's very most favorite people?
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  • orion0029orion0029 Member Posts: 1,122 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2015
    Says the guy who first states he doesn't care about this discussion then proceeds to troll and flame another poster by being dismissive, insulting, and argumentative.

    And you think it's the other guys post that could get the thread locked... :rolleyes:

    Trolls and Flames?

    hmm, I suppose my comments can be interpreted as such.

    That was not my intent, mind you.

    Consider them redacted.

    Also worth noting, flames don't put out flames. Just a friendly reminder... :P

    Edit: I would like someone to seriously explain this issue in a collected and non-emotional manor, I still don't understand the point of all this arguing...
  • berahtberaht Member Posts: 79 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I wish I'd purchased the correct pre-order/edition. All the stuff I did buy went "available for all" via C-store, except the one item from launch which was/is useful.
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  • breadandcircusesbreadandcircuses Member Posts: 2,355 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    thetanine wrote: »
    The code was character bound from the get go. Smirk was just misinformed how it worked. Plus it didn't matter that people spammed the code, there was a limited amount of free RMC codes that the server could accept.

    You sure about that? I'm not, because that isn't what Trendy told us. I sincerely doubt that she would outright lie to the community, eh?

    Personally, I watched the Livestream, complete with server downtime, etc.
    I did not spam the code across all channels.
    I was severely disappointed that the RMC was nerfed to a single-character unlock, when it was already time-restricted and Arc-mandatory.

    That last bit is the important part, because that is what knee-jerk responses like the RMC change accomplish... a disappointed player rather than one happy to have taken part in the promotion. The idea behind giving away the code was simple: to promote the game, to earn that ephemeral asset know as goodwill, and to generally give the community something positive. Instead, the alteration resulted in the opposite outcome, where I don't bother with Livestreams anymore.

    The Polytrinic Acid Horta they gave out awhile back is still a neat random thing that makes me smile every time I send it out, on each and every character on my account. The RMC is an inaccessible entry in the C-Store that makes me shake my head at how badly something can be handled every time I look at it. Goodwill vs. /facepalm. That isn't on the players or the CM's... that's is on the individual that thought to alter the code during the server downtime. That decision was an incredibly bad one, and in many ways defeated the purpose of actually issuing the code in the first place. It's almost like they wanted to make Smirk/Trendy look bad.

    Would I be happy to see the RMC restored to its original account-unlock?
    Yes.

    Do I have any faith in the company actually doing so?
    None.
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  • orion0029orion0029 Member Posts: 1,122 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2015
    You sure about that? I'm not, because that isn't what Trendy told us. I sincerely doubt that she would outright lie to the community, eh?

    Personally, I watched the Livestream, complete with server downtime, etc.
    I did not spam the code across all channels.
    I was severely disappointed that the RMC was nerfed to a single-character unlock, when it was already time-restricted and Arc-mandatory.

    That last bit is the important part, because that is what knee-jerk responses like the RMC change accomplish... a disappointed player rather than one happy to have taken part in the promotion. The idea behind giving away the code was simple: to promote the game, to earn that ephemeral asset know as goodwill, and to generally give the community something positive. Instead, the alteration resulted in the opposite outcome, where I don't bother with Livestreams anymore.

    The Polytrinic Acid Horta they gave out awhile back is still a neat random thing that makes me smile every time I send it out, on each and every character on my account. The RMC is an inaccessible entry in the C-Store that makes me shake my head at how badly something can be handled every time I look at it. Goodwill vs. /facepalm. That isn't on the players or the CM's... that's is on the individual that thought to alter the code during the server downtime. That decision was an incredibly bad one, and in many ways defeated the purpose of actually issuing the code in the first place. It's almost like they wanted to make Smirk/Trendy look bad.

    Would I be happy to see the RMC restored to its original account-unlock?
    Yes.

    Do I have any faith in the company actually doing so?
    None.

    Indeed, I was most disappointed on the community's response to what should have been a nice gesture, I'm not surprised that Cryptic isn't doing free codes anymore, it just doesn't pay for them to do it, for every 'thank you' they get they also get 10+ 'This is garbage, do better' or 'I want more, gimmie gimmie!!'.

    So, if anyone at Cryptic is listening...

    Thank you for the free goodies. :)


    More on topic, would I like the RMC code account wide?
    I honestly have little opinion on it, I've rarely used mine, and won't be too upset if Cryptic says "I'm sorry, we're not going to do that."

    I am still curious on how something bought 5 years ago, still warrants such a heated discussion...

    PC/video games always diminish in value after their release date, and after 5 years most games would be so cheap to buy they might as well be giving them away anyway. As far as I'm concerned throw the account RMC in the C-Store for 500-1000 zen, after 5 years that's how much most 2010 games are worth now. :confused:
  • orion0029orion0029 Member Posts: 1,122 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2015
    (explanation)...

    Hope that helps.

    Indeed, I can see how people want to keep their 'exclusive' goodies from overpriced Collector's Edition packages.

    However, I believe part of the problem lies in that the 'exclusive' goodies given to people for their purchase of Collector's Editions, Target Editions, Steam Editions, etc... Is essentially flawd, special editions of games SHOULD have unique goodies found nowhere's else but said unique goodies should also have no direct impact on the base game, I can recite a list of games with special editions as long as my arm that do this properly, like unique uniforms, mounts (with same effectiveness of in-game mounts, just a special appearance), etc...

    Given how the RMC's have been handled in the past, a single-purchase C-Store item of the Red Matter Capacitor would be warranted, as it would allow everyone to get these moderately useful items, while still maintaining the 'uniqueness' of the account unlock that the Collector's Edition has.
  • breadandcircusesbreadandcircuses Member Posts: 2,355 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    orion0029 wrote: »
    Indeed, I was most disappointed on the community's response to what should have been a nice gesture, I'm not surprised that Cryptic isn't doing free codes anymore, it just doesn't pay for them to do it, for every 'thank you' they get they also get 10+ 'This is garbage, do better' or 'I want more, gimmie gimmie!!'.

    So, if anyone at Cryptic is listening...

    Thank you for the free goodies. :)


    More on topic, would I like the RMC code account wide?
    I honestly have little opinion on it, I've rarely used mine, and won't be too upset if Cryptic says "I'm sorry, we're not going to do that."

    I am still curious on how something bought 5 years ago, still warrants such a heated discussion...

    PC/video games always diminish in value after their release date, and after 5 years most games would be so cheap to buy they might as well be giving them away anyway. As far as I'm concerned throw the account RMC in the C-Store for 500-1000 zen, after 5 years that's how much most 2010 games are worth now. :confused:

    Eh, I think in this case the response was to be expected.

    The giveaways where folks complain that they "already bought x" or "y is lame"... those are rather unwarranted, imho, as there is always someone else that might benefit from or enjoy those items. That someone else might be a friend, a fleet mate, someone you pug with once, or even someone you never meet... but it still gives the community a more positive mood.

    The bait and switch of the RMC, especially in a punitive manner with no warning to the community or even a heads up to the poor CM's hosting the Livestream... yeah, those are valid complaints. It makes me think of Lowered Expectations... why should you expect anything better?

    As to the rest of the free goodies over the years, for those they have my thanks. They were exactly what I expected them to be, if not better. Even the ones I already had, since someone else is bound to have enjoyed them. :)
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  • orion0029orion0029 Member Posts: 1,122 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2015
    Eh, I think in this case the response was to be expected.

    The giveaways where folks complain that they "already bought x" or "y is lame"... those are rather unwarranted, imho, as there is always someone else that might benefit from or enjoy those items. That someone else might be a friend, a fleet mate, someone you pug with once, or even someone you never meet... but it still gives the community a more positive mood.

    The bait and switch of the RMC, especially in a punitive manner with no warning to the community or even a heads up to the poor CM's hosting the Livestream... yeah, those are valid complaints. It makes me think of Lowered Expectations... why should you expect anything better?

    As to the rest of the free goodies over the years, for those they have my thanks. They were exactly what I expected them to be, if not better. Even the ones I already had, since someone else is bound to have enjoyed them. :)

    Hey, I never said I was surprised, just disappointed. Lol

    And I'll admit it was kind of a tease to offer up a single-character RMC only...

    However, that doesn't excuse the OP or anyone who accidently claimed their code on an alt and not a main, prudence would be your best friend when offered up free stuff...

    Just claim the stuff on your main first and then try to get it on alts, it takes a couple of extra moments and saves a lot of headaches. :P

    (In bold) This is the attitude people SHOULD have when offered a free trinket or goodie, if you don't need it or want it, don't take it. Someone else will likely be happy to recieve it!

    It is also worth noting that Cryptic is under NO obligation to give away free goodies, so when something is offered up for free: Take it or don't take it, but just remember Cryptic didn't have to offer it. So be polite and say Thank you if you take it, or if you didn't, don't say anything... :)
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