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BUG REPORT:you broke traits with patch

agresiel2agresiel2 Member Posts: 99 Arc User
edited May 2015 in PC Gameplay Bug Reports
So in an attempt to fix lag by sorting out certain ability's you have broken the traits of space combat.

two of the admin of the DPS channels (@Agresiel and @ukcaptain420) have discovered that the following traits activate WITHOUT having them slotted

tier 4 omega rep Omega gravition amplifyier
tier 4 iconian rep radiant detonation matrix

it took us 1 run to find this out really cryptic you still dont get people to do simple checks?

who knows what else has been effected
Post edited by agresiel2 on
MY SPEED RECORDS KASE: 13:38 CSE: 13:52 ISE: 13:51 HSE: 2:58 NWS: 6:35

Solo STF's With Optional ISE: 3:34
i have all logs saved of these so if you would like to view them send me a pm and it can be arranged :)
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  • borticuscrypticborticuscryptic Member Posts: 2,478 Cryptic Developer
    edited May 2015
    We're not able to replicate this behavior internally. Unslotted Reputation Traits are not giving their bonuses on characters we use internally.

    Can you provide your [email protected] names? Tracking this bug may require inspection of your character.
    Jeremy Randall
    Cryptic - Lead Systems Designer
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    We're not able to replicate this behavior internally. Unslotted Reputation Traits are not giving their bonuses on characters we use internally.

    Can you provide your [email protected] names? Tracking this bug may require inspection of your character.

    Bort, I just hopped on [email protected] - hit up an Archer System...

    15:05:21:16:55:17.7::Meena,P[[email protected] [email protected]],,*,Tholian Mesh Weaver,C[163 Space_Tholian_Frigate_Wall],Omega Graviton Amplifier,Pn.5jdccd,Kinetic,,751.4,0

    Meena's slotted Rep Traits are:

    Precision
    Advanced Targeting Systems
    Auxiliary Power Configuration - Offense
    Energy Refrequencer
  • jarvisandalfredjarvisandalfred Member Posts: 1,549 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2015
    Bort, I just hopped on [email protected] - hit up an Archer System...

    15:05:21:16:55:17.7::Meena,P[[email protected] [email protected]],,*,Tholian Mesh Weaver,C[163 Space_Tholian_Frigate_Wall],Omega Graviton Amplifier,Pn.5jdccd,Kinetic,,751.4,0

    Meena's slotted Rep Traits are:

    Precision
    Advanced Targeting Systems
    Auxiliary Power Configuration - Offense
    Energy Refrequencer

    I can also confirm.

    Ran an ISA today, just checked the log - OGA was there for a whopping 148 dps (but it's not slotted.)

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  • khamseenairkhamseenair Member Posts: 2,637 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2015
    Got this on one of mine too.

    15:05:21:21:07:38.2::Ciaran,P[[email protected] [email protected]],,*,Tholian Orb Weaver,C[11384 Space_Tholian_Cruiser_Web],Omega Graviton Amplifier,Pn.5jdccd,Kinetic,,751.4,0

    Slotted space Rep traits are;
    Advanced Targeting Systems
    Precision
    Enhanced Armour Penetration
    Enhanced Shield Penetration
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  • daunknownadmindaunknownadmin Member Posts: 96 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Here's mine;

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    Advanced Targeting Systems
    Precision
    Enhanced Armor Penetration
    Auxiliary Power Configuration (offensive)

    [6:55] [Combat (Self)] Your Omega Graviton Amplifier deals 751 Kinetic Damage to Quas Cruiser.

    I'm 20 hrs away from the tier 4 iconian rep radiant detonation matrix, so I can test that later.
  • onethousandsonsonethousandsons Member Posts: 81 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I'm seeing the same behavior. Both Omega Grav Amp and Radiant Detonation Matrix are firing without them being slotted.

    Character:
    Aidan [email protected]

    Traits:
    Advanced Targeting Systems
    Enhanced Armor Penetration
    Precision
    Auxiliary Power Configuration (Offense)
  • methos5kmethos5k Member Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Not about those 2 traits, but at least one of my chars (if not more) is getting 'predictive algorithms' without having it slotted.
    character 'Robert.' possibly also for 'Robbie'.
  • illcadiaillcadia Member Posts: 1,412 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2015
    Incidentally, I've noticed that the non-rep character space trait (Exotic Absorption) has been firing off without it slotted since the patch.
  • p4hajujup4hajuju Member Posts: 214 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I did a public queue ISA last night and had no omega graviton amplifier or radiant detonation damage output.
    In this mornings public queue ISA I had both, small numbers but mentioned in the combatlog.

    Maybe they are spilling from team mates.

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  • cjseven01cjseven01 Member Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I've also got a trait bug
    Vulcan has physical trait in the first slot i cant remove or change it
  • farktoid5000farktoid5000 Cryptic EQAH Member Posts: 72 Cryptic Developer
    edited May 2015
    p4hajuju wrote: »
    I did a public queue ISA last night and had no omega graviton amplifier or radiant detonation damage output.
    In this mornings public queue ISA I had both, small numbers but mentioned in the combatlog.

    Maybe they are spilling from team mates.

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    I'm curious about that. Has anyone seen this when NOT on a team?
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  • borticuscrypticborticuscryptic Member Posts: 2,478 Cryptic Developer
    edited May 2015
    Would it be correct to narrow the scope of this bug down to:

    Omega Graviton Amplifier
    Radiant Detonation Matrix
    Exotic Absorption
    Predictive Algorithms

    ... as Traits that are currently applying without being slotted?

    This appears to be a rather targeted bug, and not something that is affecting every Trait that was recently changed/updated to combat performance issues. Just want to make sure that all noted Traits are getting reviewed, to address the issue. So, is that all of them?
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  • khamseenairkhamseenair Member Posts: 2,637 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2015
    I'm curious about that. Has anyone seen this when NOT on a team?

    Yes, virusdancer reported he had it happen in an Archer system patrol which I assume was solo. To confirm this I've just done a run in the Archer system solo and again I'm getting Omega Graviton Amplifier showing in my combat log even though it's not slotted.

    Edit, for the record it procd 39 times during my solo run in the Archer system, so it appears pretty consistent.
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  • borticuscrypticborticuscryptic Member Posts: 2,478 Cryptic Developer
    edited May 2015
    Edit, for the record it procd 39 times during my solo run in the Archer system, so it appears pretty consistent.

    What is your weapons loadout?
    Can you tell if it's proccing from a specific weapon?
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  • wildweasalwildweasal Member Posts: 1,053 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Yes, virusdancer reported he had it happen in an Archer system patrol which I assume was solo. To confirm this I've just done a run in the Archer system solo and again I'm getting Omega Graviton Amplifier showing in my combat log even though it's not slotted.

    Edit, for the record it procd 39 times during my solo run in the Archer system, so it appears pretty consistent.

    Verified mine proced 30 times
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  • captainmal3captainmal3 Member Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I'm able to summon fleet support at full health even though I don't have the command spec tree trait slotted. That's been for a couple of weeks now though at least, ever since I got the trait. On the other hand, I also have predictive algorithms as an unslotted trait and don't get any bonuses from that. In both cases it's only the normal trait and not the improved version.

    It's not exactly a bad thing, but a bug's a bug I guess.
  • daunknownadmindaunknownadmin Member Posts: 96 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I'm curious about that. Has anyone seen this when NOT on a team?

    Solo'ed Starbase 24

    [4:05] [Combat (Self)] Your Omega Graviton Amplifier deals 751 Kinetic Damage to Hegh'ta Heavy Bird-of-Prey.
    [4:16] [Combat (Self)] Your Omega Graviton Amplifier deals 751 Kinetic Damage to Negh'Var Warship.
    [4:20] [Combat (Self)] Your Omega Graviton Amplifier deals 751 Kinetic Damage to Vor'cha Battle Cruiser.
  • tk79tk79 Member Posts: 1,020 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Would it be correct to narrow the scope of this bug down to:

    Omega Graviton Amplifier
    Radiant Detonation Matrix
    Exotic Absorption
    Predictive Algorithms

    ... as Traits that are currently applying without being slotted?

    This appears to be a rather targeted bug, and not something that is affecting every Trait that was recently changed/updated to combat performance issues. Just want to make sure that all noted Traits are getting reviewed, to address the issue. So, is that all of them?

    Might be related to some ground traits being in effect without slotting them:

    Orbital Devastation (turns Orbital Strike into Chasing Beam)
    Subspace Manipulator (gives Dampening Field the dark blob)
    Tactical Vigilance (modifies Tactical Initiative to give flank immunity)

    The above modifications are always active even without the trait slotted. The difference with the OP is that the ground traits have behaved like this since their introduction in the game.
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  • khamseenairkhamseenair Member Posts: 2,637 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2015
    What is your weapons loadout?
    Can you tell if it's proccing from a specific weapon?

    On this character I currently have 3x Dual AP Beams, 1x AP Beam Array, 1x Quantum in forward and then aft I have 2x AP Omni Beams.

    It's hard to tell which weapon it's coming from since most of the time I'm running BFAW. I'll try doing another test after I've had dinner and remove some weapons to see if I can narrow it to a specific weapon.
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  • borticuscrypticborticuscryptic Member Posts: 2,478 Cryptic Developer
    edited May 2015
    On this character I currently have 3x Dual AP Beams, 1x AP Beam Array, 1x Quantum in forward and then aft I have 2x AP Omni Beams.

    It's hard to tell which weapon it's coming from since most of the time I'm running BFAW. I'll try doing another test after I've had dinner and remove some weapons to see if I can narrow it to a specific weapon.

    The reason I ask is that this proc behaves differently on Energy Weapons than it does on Torpedoes, and even stranger on Mines.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    30...39? Heh, mine proc'd once during that Archer run. I have crappy luck with procs (once in a blue moon).

    I already deleted that particular parse, though. Hrmm...can't see what weapons were firing there then.

    Let me do another and see what happens.

    Lol...just one again. 769 attacks, 3.904 attacks per second...and yep...1 OGA.

    This is everything from that particular partial second.

    15:05:22:16:55:03.1::Meena,P[[email protected] [email protected]],,*,Tholian Recluse,C[1479 Space_Tholian_Battleship],Resonant Transphasic Torpedo - Spread Il,Pn.6cd4im,Kinetic,,5204.95,4202.26
    15:05:22:16:55:03.1::Meena,P[[email protected] [email protected]],,*,Tholian Recluse,C[1479 Space_Tholian_Battleship],Omega Graviton Amplifier,Pn.5jdccd,Kinetic,,751.4,0
    15:05:22:16:55:03.1::Tholian Recluse,C[1479 Space_Tholian_Battleship],Tholian Widow,C[1514 Space_Tholian_Fighter_Nodrop],T'varo Light Warbird,C[1483 Space_Romulan_Frigate],Tetryon Array,Pn.Ianv3x1,Shield,,-213.185,-247.89
    15:05:22:16:55:03.1::Tholian Recluse,C[1479 Space_Tholian_Battleship],Tholian Widow,C[1514 Space_Tholian_Fighter_Nodrop],T'varo Light Warbird,C[1483 Space_Romulan_Frigate],Tetryon Array,Pn.Ianv3x1,Tetryon,,27.5433,275.433
    15:05:22:16:55:03.1::Meena,P[[email protected] [email protected]],,*,,*,Energy Refrequencer,Pn.1l2q1s,HitPoints,,-103.783,0
    15:05:22:16:55:03.1::Meena,P[[email protected] [email protected]],,*,,*,Energy Refrequencer,Pn.1l2q1s,HitPoints,,-116.773,0
    15:05:22:16:55:03.1::Meena,P[[email protected] [email protected]],,*,,*,Energy Refrequencer,Pn.1l2q1s,HitPoints,,-110.682,0


    So the Resonant Transphasic caused that one...

    ...trippy that I still only got one. I have such crappy luck with procs.

    Weapon Loadout, btw...

    Resonant Trans, Resonant DHC, Polarized Disruptor DHC, Wide Disruptor DHC
    Heavy Bio Disruptor Turret, Nanite Disruptor Turret

    edit: As an aside...

    Resonant Transphasic Torpedo - Spread Il

    ...er, typo? Cause it's Spread II.
  • freenos85freenos85 Member Posts: 441 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I have Crippling Fire activate even if i didn't slot it.
    Also Predictive Algorithms, even if i already qualified for the improved version (also not slotted).
    Also i am able to summon Fleet Support at full health with only a 5 min cooldown. (also not slotted)
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Decided to try to put Willard back together (kludged old loadout).

    4 Vaad Arrays, Ferengi Rapid, KCB w/ some FAW2

    Aha, got 7 this time...out of 949 attacks, 5.102 attacks per second.

    Let's hunt them down.

    15:05:22:17:23:25.8::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Tholian Orb Weaver,C[2315 Space_Tholian_Cruiser_Web],Polaron Beam Array - Fire at Will II,Pn.Zjssxq,Shield,,-983.307,-1591.12
    15:05:22:17:23:25.8::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Tholian Orb Weaver,C[2315 Space_Tholian_Cruiser_Web],Polaron Beam Array - Fire at Will II,Pn.Zjssxq,Polaron,Critical,280.786,1345.15
    15:05:22:17:23:25.8::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],Gravity Well,C[2332 Gravity_Well],Tholian Orb Weaver,C[2315 Space_Tholian_Cruiser_Web],Gravity Well I,Pn.Ca3ukc1,Kinetic,Critical,1388.23,997.583
    15:05:22:17:23:25.8::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Tholian Recluse,C[2314 Space_Tholian_Battleship],Polaron Beam Array - Fire at Will II,Pn.Zjssxq,Shield,,-421.58,-682.173
    15:05:22:17:23:25.8::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Tholian Recluse,C[2314 Space_Tholian_Battleship],Ferengi Rapid Fire Missile,Pn.Umb72p1,Shield,,-669.4,-4332.71
    15:05:22:17:23:25.8::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Tholian Recluse,C[2314 Space_Tholian_Battleship],Polaron Beam Array - Fire at Will II,Pn.Zjssxq,Polaron,,120.383,576.717

    15:05:22:17:23:25.8::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Tholian Recluse,C[2314 Space_Tholian_Battleship],Omega Graviton Amplifier,Pn.5jdccd,Kinetic,,751.4,0
    15:05:22:17:23:25.8::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],Gravity Well,C[2332 Gravity_Well],Tholian Recluse,C[2314 Space_Tholian_Battleship],Gravity Well I,Pn.Ca3ukc1,Kinetic,Critical,764.742,549.544
    15:05:22:17:23:25.8::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Tholian Recluse,C[2314 Space_Tholian_Battleship],Ferengi Rapid Fire Missile,Pn.Umb72p1,Kinetic,Critical,764.596,3662.93


    15:05:22:17:23:28.0::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Tholian Recluse,C[2314 Space_Tholian_Battleship],Polaron Beam Array - Fire at Will II,Pn.Zjssxq,Shield,,-924.855,-1496.54
    15:05:22:17:23:28.0::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Tholian Recluse,C[2314 Space_Tholian_Battleship],Polaron Beam Array - Fire at Will II,Pn.Zjssxq,Polaron,Flank,264.095,1265.19
    15:05:22:17:23:28.0::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Tholian Recluse,C[2314 Space_Tholian_Battleship],Tractor Beam Repulsor III,Pn.Cpskyd1,Kinetic,Flank,2939.99,2112.68
    15:05:22:17:23:28.0::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Tholian Orb Weaver,C[2315 Space_Tholian_Cruiser_Web],Polaron Beam Array - Fire at Will II,Pn.Zjssxq,Shield,,-761.702,-1232.53
    15:05:22:17:23:28.0::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Tholian Orb Weaver,C[2315 Space_Tholian_Cruiser_Web],Polaron Beam Array - Fire at Will II,Pn.Zjssxq,Polaron,,217.506,1042

    15:05:22:17:23:28.0::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Tholian Orb Weaver,C[2315 Space_Tholian_Cruiser_Web],Omega Graviton Amplifier,Pn.5jdccd,Kinetic,,751.4,0
    15:05:22:17:23:28.0::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Tholian Orb Weaver,C[2315 Space_Tholian_Cruiser_Web],Tractor Beam Repulsor III,Pn.Cpskyd1,Kinetic,Critical,5845.07,4200.27
    15:05:22:17:23:28.0::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Tholian Widow,C[2327 Space_Tholian_Fighter_Nodrop],Tractor Beam Repulsor III,Pn.Cpskyd1,Kinetic,Kill,3315.54,2141.39
    15:05:22:17:23:28.0::T'varo Light Warbird,C[2317 Space_Romulan_Frigate],,*,Tholian Orb Weaver,C[2315 Space_Tholian_Cruiser_Web],Plasma Torpedo,Pn.Rm7fzt,Plasma,,214.277,153.98


    15:05:22:17:24:14.7::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Tholian Mesh Weaver,C[2337 Space_Tholian_Frigate_Tractor],Omega Graviton Amplifier,Pn.5jdccd,Kinetic,,751.4,0
    15:05:22:17:24:14.7::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Tholian Mesh Weaver,C[2337 Space_Tholian_Frigate_Tractor],Cutting Beam,Pn.Je69eb,Kinetic,,2051.13,1340.59
    15:05:22:17:24:14.7::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Tholian Mesh Weaver,C[2337 Space_Tholian_Frigate_Tractor],Polaron Beam Array - Fire at Will II,Pn.Zjssxq,Polaron,,2125.29,1389.07
    15:05:22:17:24:14.7::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Tholian Mesh Weaver,C[2336 Space_Tholian_Frigate_Wall],Polaron Beam Array - Fire at Will II,Pn.Zjssxq,Shield,,-1124.98,-1815.87
    15:05:22:17:24:14.7::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Tholian Mesh Weaver,C[2336 Space_Tholian_Frigate_Wall],Polaron Beam Array - Fire at Will II,Pn.Zjssxq,Polaron,Flank,320.447,1399.06
    15:05:22:17:24:14.7::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Tholian Orb Weaver,C[2339 Space_Tholian_Cruiser_Web],Polaron Beam Array - Fire at Will II,Pn.Zjssxq,Shield,,-1908.63,-3088.42
    15:05:22:17:24:14.7::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Tholian Orb Weaver,C[2339 Space_Tholian_Cruiser_Web],Polaron Beam Array - Fire at Will II,Pn.Zjssxq,Polaron,Critical,545.015,2610.99

    15:05:22:17:24:14.7::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Tholian Orb Weaver,C[2339 Space_Tholian_Cruiser_Web],Omega Graviton Amplifier,Pn.5jdccd,Kinetic,,751.4,0

    15:05:22:17:24:30.0::T'varo Light Warbird,C[2316 Space_Romulan_Frigate],,*,Tholian Orb Weaver,C[2339 Space_Tholian_Cruiser_Web],Disruptor Turret,Pn.H6u7d01,Shield,,-213.278,-225.453
    15:05:22:17:24:30.0::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Tholian Orb Weaver,C[2339 Space_Tholian_Cruiser_Web],Polaron Beam Array - Fire at Will II,Pn.Zjssxq,Shield,,-1143.35,-1354.77
    15:05:22:17:24:30.0::T'varo Light Warbird,C[2316 Space_Romulan_Frigate],,*,Tholian Orb Weaver,C[2339 Space_Tholian_Cruiser_Web],Disruptor Turret,Pn.H6u7d01,Disruptor,,39.7858,265.238
    15:05:22:17:24:30.0::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Tholian Orb Weaver,C[2339 Space_Tholian_Cruiser_Web],Polaron Beam Array - Fire at Will II,Pn.Zjssxq,Polaron,Flank,239.077,1421.91

    15:05:22:17:24:30.0::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Tholian Orb Weaver,C[2339 Space_Tholian_Cruiser_Web],Omega Graviton Amplifier,Pn.5jdccd,Kinetic,,751.4,0
    15:05:22:17:24:30.0::,,,,Tholian Orb Weaver,C[2339 Space_Tholian_Cruiser_Web],Plasma Torpedo - Heavy II,Pn.Tlxdjz,Plasma,,384.258,0

    15:05:22:17:24:50.7::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Web Node,C[2414 Tholian_Web_Sphere_Segment_1],Polaron Beam Array - Fire at Will II,Pn.Zjssxq,Polaron,Flank,1094.81,0
    15:05:22:17:24:50.7::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Web Node,C[2414 Tholian_Web_Sphere_Segment_1],Polaron Beam Array - Fire at Will II,Pn.Zjssxq,Polaron,Flank,1185.19,0

    15:05:22:17:24:50.7::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Web Node,C[2414 Tholian_Web_Sphere_Segment_1],Omega Graviton Amplifier,Pn.5jdccd,Kinetic,,751.4,0

    15:05:22:17:25:13.3::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Tholian Orb Weaver,C[2392 Space_Tholian_Cruiser_Web],Polaron Beam Array - Fire at Will II,Pn.Zjssxq,Shield,,-847.315,-1371.07
    15:05:22:17:25:13.3::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Tholian Orb Weaver,C[2392 Space_Tholian_Cruiser_Web],Omega Graviton Amplifier,Pn.5jdccd,Kinetic,,751.4,0
    15:05:22:17:25:13.3::Willard the Rat,P[[email protected] Willard the [email protected]],,*,Tholian Orb Weaver,C[2392 Space_Tholian_Cruiser_Web],Polaron Beam Array - Fire at Will II,Pn.Zjssxq,Polaron,,755.647,1528.26

    Based on that along with the Spread doing it for Meena...I'd say it's more than enough of a coincidence to suggest that the issue is somehow coming about from the use of Weapon Enhancement Abilities, eh?

    Anybody had OGAs without an active Weapon Enhancement in play?

    * * * * *

    Wish I could remember if that initial one had been while I was setup with CSV/TS or CRF/HY...cause I'm wondering if it might be tied into the "autohit" component of certain abilities that wouldn't be there with others. Would need to take another run at it (but with my low number of procs in general, not having a proc wouldn't necessarily mean anything...meh).
  • khamseenairkhamseenair Member Posts: 2,637 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2015
    The reason I ask is that this proc behaves differently on Energy Weapons than it does on Torpedoes, and even stranger on Mines.

    Ah ok I see what you mean yeah. It appears to be happening with both beams and torps. I haven't used mines for a few years so not sure about those.
    Based on that along with the Spread doing it for Meena...I'd say it's more than enough of a coincidence to suggest that the issue is somehow coming about from the use of Weapon Enhancement Abilities, eh?

    Anybody had OGAs without an active Weapon Enhancement in play?

    * * * * *

    Wish I could remember if that initial one had been while I was setup with CSV/TS or CRF/HY...cause I'm wondering if it might be tied into the "autohit" component of certain abilities that wouldn't be there with others. Would need to take another run at it (but with my low number of procs in general, not having a proc wouldn't necessarily mean anything...meh).

    I think you're on to something here. After seeing your post I decided to try a few runs with just standard weapon firing (no buffs or boff abilities). Ran two runs to be sure, each with around 1200 attacks but not once did I get an OGA proc.

    Then I ran with just BFAW II running as often as I could and I got 16 procs of OGA all coming from beams and only whilst BFAW was active. I then decided to try a run with just TS III and I got 10 procs in that run all coming from torps, again only whilst TS III was active.
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  • daunknownadmindaunknownadmin Member Posts: 96 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Then I ran with just BFAW II running as often as I could and I got 16 procs of OGA all coming from beams and only whilst BFAW was active.
    Pretty much this... The OGA proc only appears after BFAW3, in my last log running ISA solo.

    15:05:22:17:18:50.9::Nosferatu,P[[email protected] [email protected]],,*,Nanite Sphere,C[20391 Mission_Infected_Healer_Sphere],Antiproton Beam Array - Fire at Will III,Pn.P00v8e1,AntiProton,,321.426,1786.94
    15:05:22:17:18:50.9::Nosferatu,P[[email protected] [email protected]],,*,Nanite Sphere,C[20391 Mission_Infected_Healer_Sphere],Omega Graviton Amplifier,Pn.5jdccd,Kinetic,,1502.8,0

    15:05:22:17:18:42.9::Nosferatu,P[[email protected] [email protected]],,*,Sphere,C[20386 Space_Borg_Cruiser_Raidisode_No_Loot],Antiproton Beam Array - Fire at Will III,Pn.P00v8e1,AntiProton,Flank,347.698,1894.04
    15:05:22:17:18:42.9::Nosferatu,P[[email protected] [email protected]],,*,Sphere,C[20386 Space_Borg_Cruiser_Raidisode_No_Loot],Omega Graviton Amplifier,Pn.5jdccd,Kinetic,,1502.8,0

    15:05:22:17:18:28.0::Nosferatu,P[[email protected] [email protected]],,*,Sphere,C[20386 Space_Borg_Cruiser_Raidisode_No_Loot],Antiproton Beam Array - Fire at Will III,Pn.P00v8e1,AntiProton,Critical|Flank,674.674,4089.33
    15:05:22:17:18:28.0::Nosferatu,P[[email protected] [email protected]],,*,Sphere,C[20386 Space_Borg_Cruiser_Raidisode_No_Loot],Omega Graviton Amplifier,Pn.5jdccd,Kinetic,,1502.8,0
  • borticuscrypticborticuscryptic Member Posts: 2,478 Cryptic Developer
    edited May 2015

    Anybody had OGAs without an active Weapon Enhancement in play?

    I think you may've nailed this, VD. We're getting some solid repro cases now. Though, I'll be honest, I don't understand HOW this confluence of powers could produce this result. Going to need a lot more investigation.

    NOTE: This appears to only happen with Fire At Will. Which is SO uncommon, rite? :eyeroll:
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  • khamseenairkhamseenair Member Posts: 2,637 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2015
    I think you may've nailed this, VD. We're getting some solid repro cases now. Though, I'll be honest, I don't understand HOW this confluence of powers could produce this result. Going to need a lot more investigation.

    NOTE: This appears to only happen with Fire At Will. Which is SO uncommon, rite? :eyeroll:

    Hahaha, yeah BFAW is a totally underused ability. :P

    Though just to reiterate my last post, I also got it triggering on use of torps when using Torp Spread. Haven't tested with High Yield.
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  • borticuscrypticborticuscryptic Member Posts: 2,478 Cryptic Developer
    edited May 2015
    Though just to reiterate my last post, I also got it triggering on use of torps when using Torp Spread. Haven't tested with High Yield.

    I had limited my testing to Energy Weapons, but Torp Spread is actually built quite similarly to Fire at Will, so seeing similarly-bugged behavior is not surprising. Thank you for the additional info.
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  • khamseenairkhamseenair Member Posts: 2,637 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2015
    I had limited my testing to Energy Weapons, but Torp Spread is actually built quite similarly to Fire at Will, so seeing similarly-bugged behavior is not surprising. Thank you for the additional info.

    Ah yeah that'd make sense. No problem, hopefully you guys will be able to figure out why it's decided to work like this haha. I don't envy you that task.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I think you may've nailed this, VD. We're getting some solid repro cases now. Though, I'll be honest, I don't understand HOW this confluence of powers could produce this result. Going to need a lot more investigation.

    NOTE: This appears to only happen with Fire At Will. Which is SO uncommon, rite? :eyeroll:

    edit: Saw you included the TS after I posted this...so er, yeah...lalalala.

    With that last bit there, you guys didn't get any repro from TS or CSV? Just wondering if it's tied to the "autohit" aspect and some of the various problems that have come up in the past because of how that's treated like a hit even though it's not a hit. Kind of left it looking as if there were two flows there that had to be maintained...

    The Hit version of "The Hit Code".
    The AutoHit version of "The Hit Code".

    Where there was that issue with the FAW double proc because the proc was still part of the Autohit version of that code...sort of thing.

    And yeah, this is totally nub/outsider of me and all...but with the tweaking that was done and all, this almost looks like some sort of intellisense thing - where there might have been two similar words ActiveTraits and AvailableTraits (or whatever), and that perhaps if the code functions in that way or the like...that it's hitting up the Available instead of the Active.

    Cause that seems to be the breakdown there. Cause that T4 Iconian Trait from the OP...neither of my guys have it, so it's not an Available - but the OGA, even though not Active - is Available to both of them.

    But that's just totally nub/outsider - no clue - shouldn't be babbling along stuff that might end up being more of a distraction than helpful...so if you need to drop out the, "Yeah, uh...er...no....that's okay, thanks though." - heh, feel free to have at it. Wouldn't be the first time I've been on the wrong side of things there - and - I've done my fair share of eye rolls and facepalms from the other side...heh.
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