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  • borticuscrypticborticuscryptic Member Posts: 2,478 Cryptic Developer
    edited May 2015
    ...where there might have been two similar words ActiveTraits and AvailableTraits (or whatever), and that perhaps if the code functions in that way or the like...that it's hitting up the Available instead of the Active.

    You're not completely off. This has to do with PowerSlotting.

    You see, when you hit T4 in Omega Rep, you are given Omega Graviton Amplifier. It becomes part of the powers that you own. In fact, I believe that if you look in your "Passives" list of Powers, on your character Status page, you may see it listed there even if you have not slotted the Trait.

    The fact that the Trait is not Slotted is supposed to prevent it from applying/activating, even though you own it. But there is something unique about the power activation cycle of FAW and TS that appears to be either ignoring or sidestepping that restriction.
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  • illcadiaillcadia Member Posts: 1,412 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2015
    You're not completely off. This has to do with PowerSlotting.

    You see, when you hit T4 in Omega Rep, you are given Omega Graviton Amplifier. It becomes part of the powers that you own. In fact, I believe that if you look in your "Passives" list of Powers, on your character Status page, you may see it listed there even if you have not slotted the Trait.

    The fact that the Trait is not Slotted is supposed to prevent it from applying/activating, even though you own it. But there is something unique about the power activation cycle of FAW and TS that appears to be either ignoring or sidestepping that restriction.

    Might this be the same thing that's causing rom embassy plasma consoles to trigger an extra time/automatically on FAW?
  • jarvisandalfredjarvisandalfred Member Posts: 1,549 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2015
    illcadia wrote: »
    Might this be the same thing that's causing rom embassy plasma consoles to trigger an extra time/automatically on FAW?

    Really? I thought the only bug was that's the only time they're critting. I just checked my log, and I didn't see the problem you mentioned.
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  • jheinigjheinig Member Posts: 364 Cryptic Developer
    edited May 2015
    You're not completely off. This has to do with PowerSlotting.

    You see, when you hit T4 in Omega Rep, you are given Omega Graviton Amplifier. It becomes part of the powers that you own. In fact, I believe that if you look in your "Passives" list of Powers, on your character Status page, you may see it listed there even if you have not slotted the Trait.

    The fact that the Trait is not Slotted is supposed to prevent it from applying/activating, even though you own it. But there is something unique about the power activation cycle of FAW and TS that appears to be either ignoring or sidestepping that restriction.

    Ohhhh Bort it's probably the Apply.
  • nandospcnandospc Member Posts: 1,260 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I can confirm what agresiel said in the OP, i found OGA and t4 ico rad damage in my parse after a japori patrol and an isa, and they are not part of my currently active space traits.
  • illcadiaillcadia Member Posts: 1,412 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2015
    Really? I thought the only bug was that's the only time they're critting. I just checked my log, and I didn't see the problem you mentioned.

    They normally have a limit of triggering twice per firing cycle. But when you use Fire at Will, they can trigger three times per cycle.
  • jarvisandalfredjarvisandalfred Member Posts: 1,549 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2015
    illcadia wrote: »
    They normally have a limit of triggering twice per firing cycle. But when you use Fire at Will, they can trigger three times per cycle.

    Interesting. Let's move this to a different thread and stop derailing this one.
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  • robdmcrobdmc Member Posts: 1,619 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    So worse case scenario is that you have to rewrite bfaw. Considering how complicated this has been and how much of a pain it has been over the last couple of years I wonder how taxing on the servers that ability is since every one uses it?
  • therealmttherealmt Member Posts: 428 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    robdmc wrote: »
    So worse case scenario is that you have to rewrite bfaw. Considering how complicated this has been and how much of a pain it has been over the last couple of years I wonder how taxing on the servers that ability is since every one uses it?

    Well, the devs in this game are pretty much used to revamping all parts of the game numberous times.

    Im actually waiting for the 5th federation tutorial revamp personally.
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  • khamseenairkhamseenair Member Posts: 2,640 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2015
    therealmt wrote: »
    Well, the devs in this game are pretty much used to revamping all parts of the game numberous times.

    Im actually waiting for the 5th federation tutorial revamp personally.

    LOL! I swear if they rework that tutorial again before overhauling the Cardassian story arc, somebody is getting a phaser to the knee!
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  • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    same thing for me:

    - Omega graviton amplifier: damage: 25,86 /s
    - radiant detonation: damage: 171,99 /s

    both in ISA

    rep traits that i use currently

    - enhanced armor penetration
    - advanced targeting systems
    - precision
    - auxiliary power configuration - defense
  • nulonunulonu Member Posts: 507 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I hope you'll look at the traits TK listed. Totally sick of being stuck with the chasing beam of Orbital Devastation.
  • sarcasmdetectorsarcasmdetector Member Posts: 1,176 Media Corps
    edited May 2015
    Please dont break FAW again. Last time you guys tried to fix FAW it got broken for months!
  • drake122svkdrake122svk Member Posts: 731 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    therealmt wrote: »
    Well, the devs in this game are pretty much used to revamping all parts of the game numberous times.

    Im actually waiting for the 5th federation tutorial revamp personally.

    Personally I think they should bring more voice "talent" into the game. Can you imagine how many more actors appeared in the shows for at least 30 mins of screen time like Miral Paris did? They should totally pay money to those guys, because the players love new voice talent!
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    We're not able to replicate this behavior internally.

    Then you did it wrong. :P

    I hadn't even read this thread before, but today suddenly noticed Omega Gravition Amplifier and Radiant Detonation Matrix in my log too.

    Apparently, you need to slot those once. After that they stay active (forever?).
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  • khamseenairkhamseenair Member Posts: 2,640 Bug Hunter
    edited May 2015
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    Then you did it wrong. :P

    I hadn't even read this thread before, but today suddenly noticed Omega Gravition Amplifier and Radiant Detonation Matrix in my log too.

    Apparently, you need to slot those once. After that they stay active (forever?).

    Read past the first page. :P

    We tracked it down to BFAW/Torp Spread which is for some reason triggering these traits even when not active.
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Read past the first page. :P

    We tracked it down to BFAW/Torp Spread which is for some reason triggering these traits even when not active.

    Don't tell me, tell Bort! :P

    Seriously, though, good find. Bort should have no problem replicating the issue now.
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  • nulonunulonu Member Posts: 507 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    Don't tell me, tell Bort! :P

    Seriously, though, good find. Bort should have no problem replicating the issue now.

    He already responded and said they could replicate. Again, try reading the whole thread...
  • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Apparently, you need to slot those once. After that they stay active (forever?).[/QUOTE

    nope, i have never used these traits ;)
  • majortiraomegamajortiraomega Member Posts: 2,214 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Would it be correct to narrow the scope of this bug down to:

    Omega Graviton Amplifier
    Radiant Detonation Matrix
    Exotic Absorption
    Predictive Algorithms

    ... as Traits that are currently applying without being slotted?

    This appears to be a rather targeted bug, and not something that is affecting every Trait that was recently changed/updated to combat performance issues. Just want to make sure that all noted Traits are getting reviewed, to address the issue. So, is that all of them?

    As TK mentioned, the Elachi Lockbox Ground trait is active even when the player does not have the trait slotted. This problem has existed since the introduction of the trait and players can't turn this trait off once they have obtained it.
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  • chuamishaelchuamishael Member Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    What? this bug is so cool, why report this?

    Ima gonna checked my toon after server went live again!

    I wish Cryptic will giive us more trait slot. it's so lame that we can only put 4, and the rest of the traits are actually TRIBBLE.

    just by looking at everybody's equipped trait. they are all the same with everybody else.
    and the rest of the trait are garbage.
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