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  • firekeeperhufirekeeperhu Member Posts: 416 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    narthais wrote: »
    None of them had the specialisation ship mechanics either, pathfinder has no intel gathering, DD/galaxy/negh don't have inspiration, I wouldn't expect a t6 defiant, even if it has a hybrid seat to have pilot manoeuvres either.

    little sad, but completely logical...
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  • laferrari1laferrari1 Member Posts: 434 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    reyan01 wrote: »
    I suspect that we'll see him as the Captain of the USS Valiant. Various reasons for my suspecting this, the most obvious being his link to the Defiant-class USS Valiant (destroyed in the episode 'Valiant').

    And I suspect that the Valiant will be a T6 Tactical Escort, and (much like the Andromedia and Pathfinder) will have a new skin, but will be able to use the Defiant class skin.
    (and hopefully the Sao Paulo skin too, as that is awesome).

    Just to note, this is nothing more than speculation.

    Why Nog? Why not make The Sisko come back? Why that annoying Ferengi? WHY? Everyone but NOT NOG.
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  • stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    laferrari1 wrote: »
    Why Nog? Why not make The Sisko come back? Why that annoying Ferengi? WHY? Everyone but NOT NOG.
    Nog is cool not annoying. YOU'RE annoying.
  • elglass#2975 elglass Member Posts: 159 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    reyan01 wrote: »
    I suspect that we'll see him as the Captain of the USS Valiant. Various reasons for my suspecting this, the most obvious being his link to the Defiant-class USS Valiant (destroyed in the episode 'Valiant').

    And I suspect that the Valiant will be a T6 Tactical Escort, and (much like the Andromedia and Pathfinder) will have a new skin, but will be able to use the Defiant class skin.
    (and hopefully the Sao Paulo skin too, as that is awesome).

    Just to note, this is nothing more than speculation.

    Makes total sense given that the Defiant is already in game attached to DS-9 under the command of Captain Kurland. Nog being in command of a newer ship, especially of a similar design to Defiant, and of course the aforementioned connection to the series episode "Valiant" it's a good idea on its own merit. Speculation yes, but educated speculation.
  • johnnymo1johnnymo1 Member Posts: 697 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    T6 valiant will be awesome! So many of us are Defiant class fans that the ship will get a t6 varriant. All I hope for it is the ship will have a gear set. The built in cloak would be great, but i'd rather have the 5/2 weapon slots with a new torpedo weapon to go with the quads.
  • stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I don't think we'll get a 5/2 weapon split, for all the reasons Warmaker makes. I doubt we'll even see a quantum torpedo dual-launcher either. We'll probably get some awful gimmick console.
  • johnnymo1johnnymo1 Member Posts: 697 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    as long as it's not a baseball that allows you to instantly return to sosko's office
  • laferrari1laferrari1 Member Posts: 434 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    stofsk wrote: »
    Nog is cool not annoying. YOU'RE annoying.

    Ffs not as much as that Ferengi.
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  • corelogikcorelogik Member Posts: 1,039 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    johnnymo1 wrote: »
    T6 valiant will be awesome! So many of us are Defiant class fans that the ship will get a t6 varriant. All I hope for it is the ship will have a gear set. The built in cloak would be great, but i'd rather have the 5/2 weapon slots with a new torpedo weapon to go with the quads.

    The 5/2 weapon slots annoy my mild ocd. I live with it on the pilot ships, but it bugs me. I could definitely live with better mods on the Quad cannons and a dual or quad quantum torpedo launcher though,... Ideally I would like to see a [Acc] [CrtH]x2 [Dmg] set of Quad cannons or [Acc] [Arc] [CrtH] [Dmg], and give them a wider 90 degree firing arc.

    IMO, the 4/3 split is perfect for my playstyle. OmniBeam, Torpedo, KCB in the rear and then 2 BA's, torp and Wide Arc DHC up front. All the firepower you want with a minimum of three weapons on a target at all times and a max of 6. If you're facing your target only weapon not on target is the rear torpedo.

    Then again, I like "traditional" Trek ships. All of mine have fore and aft torpedos. I know some people don't run any. The 5/2 messes with my firing rhythm since I have to slot the KCB in front.

    In any case, bring on the T6 Defiant and then the Fleet T6 Defiant,... my Zen are waiting,...
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  • stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    reyan01 wrote: »
    As I said in an earlier post, I feel that a console that helps improve the ship's survivability would be good - I don't know; perhaps something like an Ablative-Neutronium hybrid console with some sort of built in proc that improves engine output when X amount of damage is taken or something.
    I could live with that. But I am just expecting some crappy gimmick console so that I don't get my heart broken.
  • firekeeperhufirekeeperhu Member Posts: 416 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Sadly disproven by today's Dev Blog:
    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1465261

    Pity really - they've missed the perfect excuse to introduce a new ship by character association.

    i don't think they specified what kind of ship is this chimera, so you might not wrong after all. it could be some kind of defiant-upgrade, it's just not called valiant. keep hoping man :D
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  • kurumimorishitakurumimorishita Member Posts: 1,410 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    i don't think they specified what kind of ship is this chimera, so you might not wrong after all. it could be some kind of defiant-upgrade, it's just not called valiant. keep hoping man :D

    Yes.. or the Chimera could be destroyed during a mission and Nog survives and then he is given command of the Valiant ;D
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  • sharpie65sharpie65 Member Posts: 679 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Sadly disproven by today's Dev Blog:
    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1465261

    Pity really - they've missed the perfect excuse to introduce a new ship by character association.

    To be fair, whoever said that Nog's Chimera would be the Heavy Destroyer? Although I'm not expecting a Valiant-class after the "SCE ship Chimera" bit... :(
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  • stoltsstolts Member Posts: 482 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    johnnymo1 wrote: »
    T6 valiant will be awesome! So many of us are Defiant class fans that the ship will get a t6 varriant. All I hope for it is the ship will have a gear set. The built in cloak would be great, but i'd rather have the 5/2 weapon slots with a new torpedo weapon to go with the quads.

    http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1463651 :D
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  • timelord79timelord79 Member Posts: 1,852 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I am set to buy the T6 Defiant the second it comes out.

    It wil lgo to my Delta Recruit who I used till now for my experiment T1 Constitution till endgame.

    So far she has captained the good 'ol Connie up till the Delta Quadrant arc and is still beating the content (even though the low hull was a pain against the Borg and to a lesser degree Undine.)
    I have not yet tested her against the Vaadwaur and I fear the Iconian swarms will finally be too much.
    When that happens I will put her into the T6 Defiant which will have much higher hull compared to the T1 and have firepower coming out of her impulse exhausts! :D

    Already planned my weapon setup which will be close to canon with the quad cannons, quantum torps, and beams. Not the most efficient set up but infinitely superior to 1 beam front and rear each and one photon torp.

    The only shame is that I most likely can still only use one set of quads for the visuals.
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  • stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    timelord79 wrote: »
    I am set to buy the T6 Defiant the second it comes out.

    It wil lgo to my Delta Recruit who I used till now for my experiment T1 Constitution till endgame.

    So far she has captained the good 'ol Connie up till the Delta Quadrant arc and is still beating the content (even though the low hull was a pain against the Borg and to a lesser degree Undine.)
    I have not yet tested her against the Vaadwaur and I fear the Iconian swarms will finally be too much.
    When that happens I will put her into the T6 Defiant which will have much higher hull compared to the T1 and have firepower coming out of her impulse exhausts! :D

    Already planned my weapon setup which will be close to canon with the quad cannons, quantum torps, and beams. Not the most efficient set up but infinitely superior to 1 beam front and rear each and one photon torp.

    The only shame is that I most likely can still only use one set of quads for the visuals.
    Why don't you use one omni-arc beam array and stick it in the aft? Although my problem with putting beam arrays on the Defiant for canon reasons is that we see the Defiant fire a beam from two locations, the top of the bridge and the front of the navigational deflector. Unfortunately last time I checked the Defiant weapon hardpoints for beams don't gel with what we see in the show.
  • timelord79timelord79 Member Posts: 1,852 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Yeah, technically the game ship has more hardpoints than the TV version which I have to fill with something without messing up the visuals too much. That is the challenge.
    I suppose I can put a mine launcher in the back, because that is something we saw the Defiant do, too. (Is there something like a self replicating mine launcher in the game?)

    I don't have much of a problem with putting a phaser omni beam in the rear. I think visually it will fire from the turret position which should roughly match the show I think?
    It's more the 4 front slots that make it a problem.
    Dual beams fire from the cannon port, right?
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    timelord79 wrote: »
    Yeah, technically the game ship has more hardpoints than the TV version which I have to fill with something without messing up the visuals too much. That is the challenge.
    I suppose I can put a mine launcher in the back, because that is something we saw the Defiant do, too. (Is there something like a self replicating mine launcher in the game?)

    I don't have much of a problem with putting a phaser omni beam in the rear. I think visually it will fire from the turret position which should roughly match the show I think?
    It's more the 4 front slots that make it a problem.
    Dual beams fire from the cannon port, right?

    The closest we have to self-replicating mines is one of the Command Ship consoles that drops a platform that creates mines. But the platform just replicates the mines, the mines don't replicate themselves and the platform doesn't replicate itself either.

    A Replicating Mine Launcher might also be a neat aspect of a Tier 6 Defiant. But it kinda isn't an iconic ability, it was used only once for that purpose.
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  • timelord79timelord79 Member Posts: 1,852 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    A nice mechanic for that would be a number if drop points you have to fly through. At each drop off point, a cluster of innert cloaked mines launches which activates when the minefield is finished. When it activates the mines keep replicating when some of them get destroyed or triggered. To clear the field you need to destroy them faster than they can replicate if not all at once. If you miss one, the entire field can come back by themselves.
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  • age03age03 Member Posts: 1,664 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I have never seen the Defiant fire any beam weapons.They use aft Torpedo.The Const' is T3 ship to me the classics are the best.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    age03 wrote: »
    I have never seen the Defiant fire any beam weapons.
    https://youtu.be/-trPu637dS0?t=2m43s
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  • age03age03 Member Posts: 1,664 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    thecosmic1 wrote: »

    Then where did Dr. Crusher come from as she is seen in the fan made vid.

    If there is this then there should be T6 BoP retrofit and Mogai.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    age03 wrote: »
    Then where did Dr. Crusher come from as she is seen in the fan made vid.

    If there is this then there should be T6 BoP retrofit and Mogai.
    If you had watched the whole video you would see that it is all Defiant combats taken from many different episodes. Dr. Crusher scene was cut in so they could add the Worf's "little" line to emphasize how awesome the Defiant was in combat.

    The point is the Defiant has used beams.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • age03age03 Member Posts: 1,664 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Not in any DS9 episode I watched the whole series not to long ago.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    age03 wrote: »
    Not in any DS9 episode I watched the whole series not to long ago.
    Those scenes were from Shattered Mirror. Season 4, episode 20.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • stoltsstolts Member Posts: 482 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Those scenes were from Shattered Mirror. Season 4, episode 20.

    S/he must have forgotten a few episodes, either that or s/he isn't observant, lol. I was going to link the same vid too. Thanks for saving me the trouble.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    stolts wrote: »
    S/he must have forgotten a few episodes, either that or s/he isn't observant, lol. I was going to link the same vid too. Thanks for saving me the trouble.
    Well, I could have just posted the Memory Alpha stats about the 3 phaser beam emitter arrays on the Defiant but I thought the video seeing it in use would be cooler. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • rossclansforce1rossclansforce1 Member Posts: 400 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    There is a few websites that describe the defiant very clearly on the weapons systems. The first defiant had more torpedoes and the second one had more cannons. Either way beams were secondary and designed to hit multiple targets at once (Faw) There was also a mention of beam overload.
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  • induperatorinduperator Member Posts: 806 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    There is a few websites that describe the defiant very clearly on the weapons systems. The first defiant had more torpedoes and the second one had more cannons. Either way beams were secondary and designed to hit multiple targets at once (Faw) There was also a mention of beam overload.

    And where did these "Sites" gain this information because whether or not it is canon is debatable.
  • stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    edited June 2015
    In canon it's quite clear that the Defiant's phasers are the primary weapon systems. Beams only get fired a couple of times and usually to hit targets that are outside the cannons' firing arc.
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