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carlosvzla28carlosvzla28 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited June 2015 in Federation Discussion
What about (if we ever have one) the new T6 Defiant has a 5/2 layout, and if we use 4 Cannons of any type (DHC, DC, SC) we can see them if the were de quads? and of course the empty slot a nice litte quantum torp?

what do you think?
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  • carlosvzla28carlosvzla28 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    i know about the Phantom... i know it is a nice ship, but we need an iconic escort...we have an inconic Command Cruiser, an Iconic intel Sci Ship, why not an iconic pilot escort?
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    It is coming. It is just not out yet. It took them 6 months to release the T6 Galaxy after the T6 Voyager. Just be patient.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • carlosvzla28carlosvzla28 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    im really really waiting for that beaty... i love the defiant since i saw it in "The Search"
  • warpedcorewarpedcore Member Posts: 362 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    They aren't getting another dime out of me unless its the T6 Defiant, so, they can take their time all they like. Even then I'm not so sure I want to keep forking over that much money on a game. :-\
  • laferrari1laferrari1 Member Posts: 434 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    reyan01 wrote: »
    It's been said before; nonetheless - Phantom class says hi.

    I know you're all focused on T6 Nova but hey, T6 Defiant is right around the corner, it's foolish to not see how obvious it is.

    T6 Defiant is coming. First Intrepid, then Galaxy, Defiant will be the next one.
    Plus, the ship has been in need of love for a long time as it's now outclassed by, huh, every other escort out there?
    T5 Defiant, Intrepid and Galaxy are all tied together in here. They were the ships purchasable with the VA token back in the days, they had identical boff seating, which consisted in cmdr/ltcmdr/ens slots of their main profession and lt slots of the other two.

    We have already a T5 and a T4 Defiant, a third one and ta-dah, bundle!

    2 out of 3 came out already. Each one of them fit a new specialization. The third one is Pilot, made for escorts and quick ships. What's a Defiant supposed to be? Command was for Cruiser, hence Andromeda and Intel for... intel. Voyager was "sent" on undercover missions in game lore and considering its history in the shows, intel is fitting. Oh and they had to make it as the whole expansion was Voyager related. :P

    Defiant T6 Pilot confirmed.

    Cause really, I'm a hardcore Defiant fan and the Phantom has nothing of the Defiant aesthetics. It's a black/blue metal plate that took some inspiration from the Defiant and other escorts in game like the Tempest. If it was supposed to be a Defiant reboot, then we should have been able to use the Defiant skin.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Honestly, at this stage I do not think I would play another Escort that was not a Pilot ship. So if a T6 Defiant does not come with all the special Pilot abilities I would skip it. I have to be able to barrel roll and everything else now. I do not even care about cloaking and canon. All the special Pilot abilities are just too cool. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • laferrari1laferrari1 Member Posts: 434 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    Honestly, at this stage I do not think I would play another Escort that was not a Pilot ship. So if a T6 Defiant does not come with all the special Pilot abilities I would skip it. I have to be able to barrel roll and everything else now. I do not even care about cloaking and canon. All the special Pilot abilities are just too cool. :)

    lol I'm the complete opposite. When it comes out, even if missing Pilot maneuvers, I'll be sparkling happiness all around the game. Would be the dead-end, killer for all my ships. I'd use just that day and night. :D

    I tried a Pilot ship anyway: not going to buy them. Yeah the maneuvers are funny, but aesthetics are horrible and would be insta-dead as soon as I see the T6 Defiant out.

    I just love DS9, and having that old glory revived would be just too cool. My avatar should be self-explanatory lol.
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  • induperatorinduperator Member Posts: 806 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    im really really waiting for that beaty... i love the defiant since i saw it in "The Search"

    I always thought the Defiant was the ugliest ship I'd ever seen.
  • corelogikcorelogik Member Posts: 1,039 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I always thought the Defiant was the ugliest ship I'd ever seen.

    And some of us think it's very definition of Starship Design perfection,... each to their own I guess. =)
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  • stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I always thought the Defiant looked really good. Unique but still identifiably starfleet despite the aggressive role. In terms of aesthetics it was simple and straight-forward and not too busy, which is something a lot of TNG-era ships had a problem with.

    I was pretty confident that the pilot ships that were leaked a few weeks ago were a T6 Defiant reskin but I was proven wrong. I still think the Defiant is around the corner though, the question is will it be part of a ship pack like the iconic ship pack was (and if so what are the ships the other factions will get), or will it be a stand-alone release and maybe even do the same thing the Pathfinder did by bundling the Belfast bridge with it.

    I can see both being in the cards though an iconic ship pack mk II seems more likely.
  • ironcaniacironcaniac Member Posts: 131 Media Corps
    edited May 2015
    T6 Defiant will probably be released to coincide with the Cardassian/DS9 arc revamp (along with a T6 Rotarran-class bird-of-prey) as the new Valiant-class tactical escort.

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  • laferrari1laferrari1 Member Posts: 434 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    westmetals wrote: »
    Considering the example proven by the Intrepid and Galaxy types, I have a feeling that a T6 Defiant is very likely to be announced within the next month. (I'm hedging only because I see a slight possibility that it might be a different ship; namely the Nova or Prometheus.)

    Consider:
    - The intel ships were released - all brand-new designs to the game (though the Dauntless is canon)... and then about 4-6 weeks later, as a separate release, the Pathfinder (T6 intel Intrepid).
    - The command ships were released - all brand-new designs to the game... and then about 4 weeks later, as a separate release, the Andromeda (T6 command Galaxy), as well as Romulan and Klingon equivalents in this case.
    - The pilot ships were released - all brand-new deisgns to the game... and we haven't reached that 4-6 week point yet.

    I will also note that the Pathfinder was released on a holiday weekend (at least, in the US). There is a similar holiday weekend at the end of next week. Coincidence? We'll see....

    (And yes, I have a feeling the T6 Defiant will carry the name Valiant whenever it is released, especially considering mention of Red Squad in the pilot ship descriptions... obviously that episode would be on the radar.)

    Lol Nova is impossible, it's not an escort and Pilot spec is made just for them, like Command is for cruisers.
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  • thibashthibash Member Posts: 506 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    funny. I really thought the pilot ships were the 'new defiant'. The playstyle fits, and they look similar enough. But I suppose 1 pilot-style escort isn't enough?
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  • laferrari1laferrari1 Member Posts: 434 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Not impossible. Not in the least.

    You are making the assumption that:

    Command = Cruisers
    Pilot = Escort
    Intel = ?

    You see, there is no evidence for this. Take Intel for example - referring to ships that Starfleet can use, and cross-faction ships, there are:

    Eclipse Class Cruiser (full Intel spec)
    Phantom Class Escort (full intel spec)
    Scryer Class Science vessel (full intel spec)
    Guardian Class Cruiser - hybrid Intel BOFF seat
    At least two Science ships with Hybrid Intel BOFF seats (Dauntless class and Pathfinder class)
    One Vaaudwar Escort with a hybrid intel BOFF seat
    One destroyer with a hybrid Intel BOFF (Hazari destroyer)
    Two Dreadnought Cruisers (Elachi SheShar and Xindi-Primate Ateleth) with a hybrid Intel BOFF seats
    And the Jem'Hadar Strike Ship, which has both Intel AND Command hybrid BOFF seats.

    Granted, thus far Command comprises of Cruisers and one escort (strike ship) with a hybrid seat - but the fact that the JHSS received a hybrid Command BOFF seat suggests that command won't necessarily be limited to Cruisers.
    A command variant of the SheShar is on the horizon too.

    As for the Pilot specalisation - it's only been around (i.e BOFFs and ships that specialise in it) for a few weeks. But there isn't any reason to think that it will be treated any differently to Intel and Command and I daresay we will see cruisers and sci ships with hybrid BOFF seats at some point.

    Probably I didn't explain myself. Reason why we won't see a T6 Nova soon (didn't say it's impossible in the future, but it is right now) is that there's no place for it.

    Think about it for a second. You're assuming Nova can get Pilot seat because you want it, because there's no logic in your statement! For how things go, C-Store ships that are sold at T6 can accomodate one kind of specialization. Now, Command is for cruisers and period. For Intel we have already three science vessel with it: the Pathfinder, Dauntless and Scryer. A fourth one because... Nova? Not a chance.

    JHSS, lobi and lockbox ships are another story, they're cash cows that can only be obtained by luck going against awful odds. Comparing them to C-Store ships makes no sense, reason why we only have one specialization available on C-Store ships.

    Pilot is made for escorts, and even the boff powers are aimed to enhance weapon pointing and damage. A science vessel doing that? Seriously? Pilot Nova busted, not gonna happen. Only because there are two stats that are a bit over the average science vessel it doesn't classify as eligible for Pilot.

    Defiant instead has everything set for becoming T6
    • It's an escort
    • A third one can make a bundle with T4 and T5 ones
    • It's fast and nimble
    • It's the missing Iconic ship after Intrepid and Galaxy
    • It has been outclassed by nearly every other escort in game
    • Pilot spec is just fitting for its size

    I understand you're a fanatic of the Nova but stop drooling on speculations to convince yourself that it can happen, because it won't right now, nor in the near future with the current specialization. I am a Defiant fan, much like you are for the Nova, and I've been waiting for a revamp since years. Now the time has come, but I'm afraid it's not your moment yet.
    I need to get to him. I can't just leave him out there alone. - Sometimes you've got to makes sacrifices, Lara. You can't save everyone. - I know about sacrifices. - No, you know about loss. Sacrifice is a choice you make. Loss is a choice made for you. - I can't choose to let him die, Roth.
  • laferrari1laferrari1 Member Posts: 434 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Could you be any more presumptious? You entire post is based upon speculation!

    Firstly, please provide evidence that a Dev/someone involved in the production of STO, explicitly stated "Command will be limited to Cruisers and Pilot will be limited to Escorts". I hate to repeat myself, but the Intel specialisation stands as evidence that the specialisations are intended to be more flexible than that.

    Secondly: I never said that I necessarily expect a T6 Nova in any flavour, only that I would LIKE one.

    Thirdly - your argument in favour of the Defiant? Some of the VERY SAME argument happens to work pretty well for the Nova too:

    It's fast and nimble
    Whilst not iconic as such, it DID appear in at least two episodes, the USS Nova itself was referenced in 'Nemesis' as part of Battle Group Omega, and Captain Kim - who is currently in-game - commands one.
    It has been outclassed by quite a few newer science vessels
    Pilot spec is just fitting for its size

    Sorry - I don't accept that a Nova class with a hybrid pilot seat is not viable based on little more than the fact that YOU think that the Command and Pilot specialisations are going to be ring-fenced to Cruisers and Escorts respectively.

    Anyway - whatever - despite YOUR derogatory comments pertaining to my "drooling on speculation", you are doing exactly that yourself. I haven't seen ANY confirmation anywhere, not even on the leak websites, about a T6 Defiant. You are taking wild hints, presumption and speculation and presenting them as fact. At least I am willing to acknowledge that my dream of a T6 Nova is, for the moment, exactly that - a dream.

    Wild hints? Perhaps logic. Do a quick search in the forums, ask in known in-game channels: like everybody is expecting T6 Defiant for the reasons I've provided. If you thought that "drooling on speculation" was an insult well it's your own problem, as it was supposed to be an advice to not get your hopes too high like I did for the past 2 years in waiting for a T6 Defiant to happen.

    To understand how Command is limited to cruisers and Pilot to escorts you just need to look back. With all the descriptions they made in blog posts on how Command and Pilot ships are supposed to look like, you get why I'm saying what I'm saying, I've got proof for that.

    I simply told you a complete list of why T6 Nova won't happen right now, and a hopefully exhaustive list of reasons why T6 Defiant will happen. Again stop being fanatic about the Nova and try asking yourself "how likely is it that a T6 Defiant with Pilot seat can happen?"
    Then do the same for your Nova. It's fast and nimble what? Compared to most science vessels, but terribly slow compared to escorts. It's not fitting because it's a science vessel, how come they made 9 ships to start with that have commander tactical, plus hybrid slots? Make that 10 if you consider the Lockbox Xindi ship which has, guess what, commander tactical. What ship category has commander tactical? Guess it.
    I need to get to him. I can't just leave him out there alone. - Sometimes you've got to makes sacrifices, Lara. You can't save everyone. - I know about sacrifices. - No, you know about loss. Sacrifice is a choice you make. Loss is a choice made for you. - I can't choose to let him die, Roth.
  • narthaisnarthais Member Posts: 452 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    If its any consolation mate, you're not the only one dreaming of a t6 pilot spec nova. Amusingly its worth noting the Nova's original concept art came out of rejected designs for the defiant, then was revisited for Equinox since half the work was already done. Which is the reason I threw a fleet nova on a tac captain and built her for torpedos.

    But yea despite no solid proof a t6 defiant probably isn't far off, it does fit a pilot spec and it is the missing trifecta of the iconic fed ships.
  • laferrari1laferrari1 Member Posts: 434 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    reyan01 wrote: »
    I am not speaking out against a Defiant class at T6. Great if it does happen. But 'expecting' it does not = confirmation.

    But you don't seem to know the Nova class at all. It is as nimble as most escorts. It's pretty much the same size as a Defiant class.

    As for the blogs:

    URL="http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/9111383-pilot-bridge-officers"]http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/9111383-pilot-bridge-officers[/URL]

    Or, to quote the specific part of relevance: "Even the largest modern Cruiser or Dreadnought can be made to dance through the stars when its pilot truly knows the ship and her capabilities". And though it was only as placeholder, it's worth remember that the Sovereign class was used as the placeholder ship for pictures of pilot abilities being used.

    Check the date of that post, 25 Mar 2015, a month and a half ago, back then we didn't even know details about the Xindi-Terrestrial lockbox ships, nor we did about the current Pilot ships. There are Sheshar (known for coming out already in Intel form), Mogh and Sovereign in those pictures, but more plausibly they have been used as placeholders to not reveal any details about the upcoming ships. in Q&A indeed
    : What ships/seats allow the use of Pilot Officer Abilities in Space?

    A: In order to utilize the Pilot Officer space abilities, you must be flying a starship that has a Hybrid Pilot Officer Bridge Officer seat. They are not usable in “Universal” Profession seats, or existing Intelligence Specialist or Command Specialist Bridge Officer seats. The line-up of starships that will have hybrid Pilot Officer seats has not yet been announced, but keep your eyes on our website for those announcements!
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  • duncanidaho11duncanidaho11 Member Posts: 7,980 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    laferrari1 wrote: »
    Check the date of that post, 25 Mar 2015, a month and a half ago, back then we didn't even know details about the Xindi-Terrestrial lockbox ships, nor we did about the current Pilot ships. There are Sheshar (known for coming out already in Intel form), Mogh and Sovereign in those pictures, but more plausibly they have been used as placeholders to not reveal any details about the upcoming ships. in Q&A indeed

    No details, ganted, but an updated Sovereign class model being used as the STO background art on Arc (since S10, replacing Kobali Prime) does tend to bias the case against a near future T6 Defiant (assuming only they'll release only one iconic FED ship at a time.)
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  • freakiumfreakium Member Posts: 439 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I'm holding out hope for a T6 Defiant and if they do release it, it will probably be multi-faction. Federation gets their T6 Defiant, Klingons get their T6 BoP, and Romulans get their T6 T'Varo. Seeing as it's been awhile since the KDF has gotten a BoP, I'm hoping this supposed ship pack would be right around the corner.
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  • rossclansforce1rossclansforce1 Member Posts: 400 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    If there was a T6 Defiant I would buy that the day of release. A majority of players are here because they are hooked on Startrek and the TV shows. Seeing Iconic ships brings back that renewed interest in the game.

    What I personally would like to see for the defiant..

    built in cloak like the Phantom
    Quad Quantum Torpedo Launcher (no extra damage then regular single version)
    Weapon synergy with quad cannon and quad torpedo launcher
    Extra Pilot lt universal bridge officer seating

    My reasoning.. TV show defiant had

    4 phaser cannons (Quad Cannon)
    4 Quantum Torpedo Launcehers (Quad Torpedo)

    The set bonus would allow for the phaser beam overload which once again matches the TV Show. Sadly almost everything mentioned here was dumped into the the Intel Escort and is a reason why they may abandon the idea.
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  • laferrari1laferrari1 Member Posts: 434 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    reyan01 wrote: »
    I'd love to see that.

    Saying that - would it be a BoP and the T'Varo that received similiar treatment, or would it be the three ships that come with Quad Cannons as their unique item?

    We have quads already in game, for all factions.
    I need to get to him. I can't just leave him out there alone. - Sometimes you've got to makes sacrifices, Lara. You can't save everyone. - I know about sacrifices. - No, you know about loss. Sacrifice is a choice you make. Loss is a choice made for you. - I can't choose to let him die, Roth.
  • narthaisnarthais Member Posts: 452 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    And reyan was referring to those ships, which in the case of KDF is actually a BoP.
  • laferrari1laferrari1 Member Posts: 434 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    reyan01 wrote: »
    I know; but what I am saying is that each faction has a ship that comes with Quad cannons as an item unique to that ship:

    Starfleet (Phaser Quad): Defiant/Sao Pauo
    KDF (Disruptor Quad): Ning'tao Bird of Prey
    RR (Plasma Quad): Ar'Kala Tactical Warbird

    So, assuming that they produce RR and KDF T6 ships alongside the rumoured T6 Defiant class, I wonder whether it would be possible that they'd use ships that have something in common (namely the Quad cannons) and would thus benefit from them.


    wtf quads can be used on every ship that can load DHC. :|

    Would make more sense a Dual Quantum Torpedo, as the Defiant fired off two quantums at a time.
    I need to get to him. I can't just leave him out there alone. - Sometimes you've got to makes sacrifices, Lara. You can't save everyone. - I know about sacrifices. - No, you know about loss. Sacrifice is a choice you make. Loss is a choice made for you. - I can't choose to let him die, Roth.
  • laferrari1laferrari1 Member Posts: 434 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Yes. But you have to purchase the ships I referred to in order to GET the Quad cannons in the first place.

    And in at least one of those cases (the Ar'Kala Tactical Warbird) the quad cannons are part of a set.

    Therefore, I wonder whether in this case they'd do the same thing as they did with the Andromeda and the Pathfinder before it. Namely, have the new T6 ships able to use the consoles and Quad cannons from their lower-tier counterparts. For example:

    T6 Defiant class. Able to equip:

    Cloaking Device from T5 version
    Quad Cannons from the T5 (Sao Paulo) Refit
    *possible third console*

    To make a set bonus. As I said, they did this with the Pathfinder and Andromeda. And it makes sense, certainly from a financial viewpoint as it = sale of T6 ship(s) and sales of the lower tier ship with those consoles/weapons for those eager for the set bonus.

    of course you have to buy the ship to use them, and existing set can be expanded and/or created. I'm really not getting your issues with having the quads restricted, as the energy type is faction specific, not the item itself.
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  • laferrari1laferrari1 Member Posts: 434 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    reyan01 wrote: »
    I don't want them restricted! Where the heck did you get that idea? I have no issue with them.

    Then I think we just fell in one big misunderstanding, lol.
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  • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 6,016 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I'd love a T6 Defiant, loved the ship in the show and it's a fun ship in game.

    Give it a unique trait like ablative hull and you have a winner
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