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jocelyn2
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The movie is a good joke, seriously.
The bugs aren't intelligent enough to throw an asteroid across the galaxy faster than the speed of light to impact the Earth.
It's hinted multiple times during the movie that the humans don't acknowledge sentience in the bugs at all.
How then can a race without astrophysics nor faster than light motricity represent a danger for the advanced human civilization in Starship Troopers?
It doesn't.
It's a false flag.
In fact, the federation destroyed Buenos Aires with an asteroid so it can gain enough popular support to launch a massive invasion of the planet Klendathu.
The federation is already heavily invested in the Klendathu star system with an operational starbase and a group of mormons who built an outpost on planet P.
Since the beggining of the movie you enter the propaganda machine like a dumb sheeple and actually believe that the bugs are the enemy.
The true reasons behind the offensive on Klendathu remain a mystery however one must realize the true danger in the movie: PROPAGANDA.
Feel free to comment in the section below on your thoughts about the movie, the propaganda and the bugs.
=/\= Cheers
The bugs aren't intelligent enough to throw an asteroid across the galaxy faster than the speed of light to impact the Earth.
It's hinted multiple times during the movie that the humans don't acknowledge sentience in the bugs at all.
How then can a race without astrophysics nor faster than light motricity represent a danger for the advanced human civilization in Starship Troopers?
It doesn't.
It's a false flag.
In fact, the federation destroyed Buenos Aires with an asteroid so it can gain enough popular support to launch a massive invasion of the planet Klendathu.
The federation is already heavily invested in the Klendathu star system with an operational starbase and a group of mormons who built an outpost on planet P.
Since the beggining of the movie you enter the propaganda machine like a dumb sheeple and actually believe that the bugs are the enemy.
The true reasons behind the offensive on Klendathu remain a mystery however one must realize the true danger in the movie: PROPAGANDA.
Feel free to comment in the section below on your thoughts about the movie, the propaganda and the bugs.
=/\= Cheers
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Too many bugs prevent players from properly shooting the alarm bugs
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I think they're just bad at the game.
Cryptic could help though. Instead of just painting them purple, they could just rename them to "Alarm Bug".
But maybe there isn't enough time on their schedule to implement Backspace backspace backspace backspace backspace backspace backspace Alarm Bug
Socio-Political satire and over-the-top violence is a trademark of Paul Verhoeven. Think of him as a slightly less pretentious Quentin Tarantino.
Look at Robocop (the 1987 original) and then Starship Troopers. He's just a lot less subtle about letting you know it's a satire, and kind of makes you figure it out for yourself (which is why I love Starship Troopers and Robocop so much).
If you see Starship Troopers as a satire, the same as Robocop -- you understand it's supposed to be an intentionally funny movie. People who say Starship Troopers was a horrible B-Movie are probably the type who just don't get it was supposed to be satirical.
Robocop was a satire of capitalism and privatization of civil services, and socio-political commentary on corruption of public officials. Starship Troopers was a satire of jingoism (I love that word), propaganda, and glorification of war.
It's even mentioned straight up in the movie that humans were the aggressors, but it's extremely downplayed (again, intentionally).
...because he will find an easy way to do it.
-Bill Gates
Which is more or less what it was aimed for. Heinlein called Starship Troopers an adolescent or boy's novel. I'm not sure that's an apt description, as the action in it is incredibly dry and pretty minimalist when it comes to descriptions and dialogue and seems more interested in talking about the political system and ideology and Mobile Infantry ethos and lifestyle.
I'd recommend after you read Starship Troopers reading Armor by John Steakley and The Forever War by Joe Halderman.
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Just look at this sequence and tell me again that the bugs can propel the asteroids halfway through the galaxy. It would take hundreds of thousands of years.
https://youtu.be/SMTz9nIUkGc?t=42s
...because he will find an easy way to do it.
-Bill Gates
I will certainly read those books, especially The Forever War since it discusses time dilation.
...because he will find an easy way to do it.
-Bill Gates
You just defeated our own argument. The purpose of a "false flag" is to justify doing something people normally wouldn't accept. Such as, take something that belongs to other people by force. If the bugs are NOT sentient(like you said), then there is no need to justify taking anything from them(like the planets they live on). Therefore there is no need for a "false flag" in the first place.
Also, the society in Starship Troopers was *already* super militarized *before* the bug attack, so you can't argue that the bug attack was used as a justification to militarize the society.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
We are diving into speculations by taking this route. Why does the secret services of the federation need to do the false flag move? I don't know, the reasons can be multiple ranging from politics to ressources to ideology. Why would they attack Klendathu in the first place? The humans are clearly the agressors here and the need for popular approval is needed to continue the hegemony.
It's like in the movie Star Trek Into Darkness, there is a need for a false flag, the reason is clearly stated, Marcus wants his war, maybe he's not the only one. In Starship Troopers, the reason is open to speculation.
We only need to see where Klendathu is on the map of the galaxy compared to our planet, understand that the bugs don't have radiotelescopes, astrophysics; stellar cartography, etc and also the fact that the bug queen is only a big ant queen who rules over her hive. Yet, people think that such a species propel asteroids faster than the speed of light, across the galaxy and land them exactly on the Earth. As far as I know, they don't know where the Earth is at all. It's like trying to hit a bullet with a smaller bullet whilst wearing a blindfold, riding a horse.
...because he will find an easy way to do it.
-Bill Gates
That question is intentionally never asked. That is part of the satire. Nobody knows or cares why we attacked them first. It is irrelevant to the plot.
You're reading too deeply into a satire.
Exactly!
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...because he will find an easy way to do it.
-Bill Gates
No, the beauty of Starship Troopers is that it does not rely on that kind of trope. The movie is to show the viewer the dangers of what happens when you blindly follow what the media and government tells you. The dangers of what happens when you have victory conditions which are simply unreasonable -- and the problems with assymetrical warfare as compared to conventional warfare.
The dangers of what happens when you ask "How do we get them to stop?" instead of "Why are they doing this to begin with?", and unfortunately is mirrored by real life events that came after the movie's release -- the consequences of which we are still dealing with.
I've said the same thing about Cryptic's policies on the forums in the past. When you have people in power who are too focused on fixing problems instead of asking why those problems exist to begin with, you will continue to run into problem after problem because you've never gotten to the root cause of it.
Or, more likely -- they are aware of the root cause of it, and simply do not care to fix it -- and instead try to fabricate superficial appeasement (known as bread and circuses) in order to distract those from the real issues. Starship Troopers does the same thing.
It's a cerebral movie, but not for the reasons you list. What you see as plot holes, others see as intentional storytelling devices.
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-Bill Gates
If you read Heinlein's works beyond Starship Troopers, you'll find that he explores various facets of thinking. That's why he seems to appeal to readers of every stripe.
However, it is true that a lot of his writing resonates with modern libertarians.
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So he made it a satire. And it was a good one.
I consider it one of my "guilty pleasures", guilty because
a) people think it's just a B-Move full of glorification of violence and militarism
b) people think it's not an accurate representation of the novel.
(Clearly, both sides missed the satire.)
That's the second or third one? I have to watch them, it's been so long I don't remember them really much.
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-Bill Gates
It's not in the Verhooven series. It was done by a Japanese team, with Casper Van Dien producing it. They put in all the things missing from the books like Power armor, etc.
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By the way, I noticed two shots taken from starship troopers and copy-pasted on Star Trek Into Darkness. They're not long shots but it's identical.
The first one is when the Rodger Young goes to warp with a captain's seat POV and the second one is when a bug plasma projectile hits the Rodger Young, we see a hull breach and some of the crew gets sucked into space. Those two sequences are copy-pasted but enhanced with early 21st century CGI in Into Darkness.
...because he will find an easy way to do it.
-Bill Gates
The problem with Heinlein's work is partly when he wrote it...
As his career went on his work showed more and more of a slant towards Hardcore Libertarian Pseudo-Economics.
Then later it started tilting towards novels about fat bald aging libertarians who were none the less, stunningly attractive to teenage redhead nymphos with big knockers AND psuedo-economics.
As for his 'military' themes, they strongly suggest somebody who served in a military, far from combat, in command of a mail boat, ferrying bags across a harbour. Concepts such as an officer complaining that enlisted personnel didn't salute properly in the middle of losing a major fire fight.
You can enjoy reading Heinlein from the 50's to 80's, just as you can enjoy reading the old 'Classic Lensman' series from the 30's with its 'girls stay at home, and real men carry a .45, all foreigners are degenerate scum' theme.
Just don't take any of it seriously.
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Verhoeven didn't like it so much that he actually almost didn't read the novel itself
"I stopped after two chapters because it was so boring," says Verhoeven of his attempts to read Heinlein's opus. "It is really quite a bad book. I asked Ed Neumeier to tell me the story because I just couldn't read the thing. It's a very right-wing book. And with the movie we tried, and I think at least partially succeeded, in commenting on that at the same time."
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