So, the Devs want people playing the special events.. that makes sense.
The Players, wanted to horde currency so they didn't have to do the same events over and over again to get their ships.. that makes sense too.
The Devs have taken away our ability to horde currency which got them what they wanted, but made the ships account wide unlocks meaning you only had to earn it once with one character.
Yeah, I'm calling this one a win for both sides. I have a bunch of event currency that's now worthless, but the fact that I will be able to dismiss/re-claim event ships on any of my characters MORE then makes up for it.
I absolutely love this change. I'll gladly play your events to get the ship, it's absolutely worth it to me now.
That was a refreshingly well thought out and detailed response to player concerns about the lolhunat pearl issue and I appreciate you taking the time to explain to us.
Your improved to the solution to the problem is at least welcomed by me. Thank you. I'm satisfied with the changes now.
If the previous Risan ships are made unavailable for new players, and this is written up as some kind of "reward" for old players...as an old player, I'm going to feel offended.
I don't want new players to be permanently excluded from fun and/or useful things just because they haven't played as long as I have. To suggest that I should see others being excluded as a "reward" is insulting.
If the previous Risan ships are made unavailable for new players, and this is written up as some kind of "reward" for old players...as an old player, I'm going to feel offended.
I don't want new players to be permanently excluded from fun and/or useful things just because they haven't played as long as I have. To suggest that I should see others being excluded as a "reward" is insulting.
Welcome to the Club, thats exactly what i and the Majority of Players here say, yea i have all those Ships so i will get my Account Wide Unlock, is the Problem / Issue Solved? NO its NOT. I dont want those Ships to be Exclusive to me and all old Players, unlike some Sellfish Players who think thats a good Idea, i and the Majority here DONT Support this. New Players should NOT Locked out, they should have the same Chance that we had to get those Ships too if they Decide to Spend the Time to Grind for them, i say again and again WHATs the Problem with that??? First Making all this Big TRARARARA for the Delta Recruitment to get New Players into the Game, and than with the Next Event lock them Out from those 2 Ships? Really???? I Would ask again for a LOGICAL /Reasonable Answer to that, but the thing is there CANT be such an Answer because *****IT IS NOT LOGICAL**** because *****IT IS WRONG****i dont know how often i or WE have to Repeat this......
I didn't see anything on this.. but I decided to buy the LLAP emote and it says it's account bound but I can't find it in the tray list in space???....
It turned out the change we made to make earning the ships more alt friendly had completely trivialized play of the events.
This is what is called "narration" .
It is not backed up by numbers , nor can it be , because it jumps the logic shark by saying "ppl who have grinded extra hard have completely trivialized play of the events " .
Yeah , grind hard = trivialized .
Mark that one down with the "x17" -- those who know what that means will understand .
Those who don't , let's just say that it was another weasley false accusation of the playerbase , based on metrics .
Oh yeah , and guess where that "narration" came from .
Yeah , metrics-land .
As soon as one character on your account owns a ship, every single other character on your account that exists now or you will ever create will have immediate access to any event ship you’ve earned.
So let's see what many ppl are ACTUALLY cheering here :
a) You've asked for the Pearls not to be retired ?
Yeah , you didn't get that .
b) You asked the ships not to get retired ?
Yeah , you didn't get that either .
c) You bemoaned the fact that you didn't start a ship-project because you didn't have the time to get enough pearls last year ?
Tough .
d) And maybe , maybe one of you self centered sods even mentioned that the "new blood" -- yes those theoretical new players that actually came on board as actual Delta Recruits -- well maybe some of those new recruits wanted to "catch up" and earn those ships -- just like we all did in the previous 2.5 years ?
Naahhh ... .
e) So what did you settle for and decided to call a "victory" ?
That each one of you will have to run the grind a few times less on an Alt .
It was basically nothing anyone asked for ... -- but hey ... , you got it .
Congratulations .... , you've won ... basically nothing but an unrelated convenience . :rolleyes:
... I swear some ppl's heads here are so empty , they start to wag their collective tails when someone (anyone) pats them on the head ...
It is not backed up by numbers , nor can it be , because it jumps the logic shark by saying "ppl who have grinded extra hard have completely trivialized play of the events " .
Yeah , grind hard = trivialized .
Mark that one down with the "x17" -- those who know what that means will understand .
Those who don't , let's just say that it was another weasley false accusation of the playerbase , based on metrics .
Oh yeah , and guess where that "narration" came from .
Yeah , metrics-land .
So let's see what many ppl are ACTUALLY cheering here :
a) You've asked for the Pearls not to be retired ?
Yeah , you didn't get that .
b) You asked the ships not to get retired ?
Yeah , you didn't get that either .
c) You bemoaned the fact that you didn't start a ship-project because you didn't have the time to get enough pearls last year ?
Tough .
d) And maybe , maybe one of you self centered sods even mentioned that the "new blood" -- yes those theoretical new players that actually came on board as actual Delta Recruits -- well maybe some of those new recruits wanted to "catch up" and earn those ships -- just like we all did in the previous 2.5 years ?
Naahhh ... .
e) So what did you settle for and decided to call a "victory" ?
That each one of you will have to run the grind a few times less on an Alt .
It was basically nothing anyone asked for ... -- but hey ... , you got it .
Congratulations .... , you've won ... basically nothing but an unrelated convenience . :rolleyes:
... I swear some ppl's heads here are so empty , they start to wag their collective tails when someone (anyone) pats them on the head ...
*******THIS************** We Won NOTHING **https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ We Complained and Complained, and we only got Something small...to try Calm down People but NOT what was asked for.
If the previous Risan ships are made unavailable for new players, and this is written up as some kind of "reward" for old players...as an old player, I'm going to feel offended.
I don't want new players to be permanently excluded from fun and/or useful things just because they haven't played as long as I have. To suggest that I should see others being excluded as a "reward" is insulting.
That's it.
As far as I know, every player likes the return of the "featured series / episodes" in order to get the "exclusive" rewards. It has been fun to get into these reruns. For the sake of "exclusivity", are you going to deny us such reruns in the future? Just think about this. Featuring a rerun is pulling some of your old customers back into the game. You don't want that? Go ahead!
That is the same with Risa. I wasn't to Risa for the "free ship" alone (which has been never free at all, because you had to work for it). I did it to get the Doffs and the reputations marks as well. But last year's summer event was the first that I could attend and I was able to get all 3 ships then. I was happy I could do it and I am mad as hell that you killed that opportunity for other players.
I don't want "exclusive". I want fun. And I want others to have fun too. You are just trying to kill the fun.
I'm a casual player. I don't like gigantic obstacles to get the fun. Fun in MMOs usally equals to collecting gear and other things. You may make it a tedious process to get those "stuff", but changing the "game" that you have introduced and planned that way without prior notice or some time to do it old style just one more time is punishing players for playing the game as you had offered them to play it.
Doing it bit by bit, update for update, nerf for nerf, is reminding me on a term I was used to in my family. We called it "salami tactics"!
Ive written all of this to explain how weve gotten to where we are today, a new currency for every ship every year. This ensured that each year the players that participate in the event will earn the reward for that year, while still allowing alts to earn the ships after a single play of the event. We knew that shipping the alt friendly system as it was is our mistake, and we wanted to ensure that impacted players werent left with nothing. We created a variety of desirable rewards that would let players turn in their pearls and feel like they got something valuable or unique for them. While this satisfied me in the short term, after reading all of your feedback I want to take this a step further.
I do have an idea Id like to share on how we can make changes to the event.
I think we should keep most of the changes made this year like the ship account wide unlock and the pearl exchange store. However, the ships should not be made unique during the current event but we should be able to earn them in any future event. We should keep the current pearls or at least exchange it for the new currency and they should not expire at the end of the event.
I feel the pearl situation is very important situation to deal with and I have my doubts that anything can be changed this year but I think there is a better way to address the issue than to get rid of the currency every year. I think the biggest issue is that we were given a currency that has one purpose, earn a ship. The problem has been what to do with the currency after we get the ship. In past events all we could do was save them for the next event. This had the nice bonus that for every day we spent playing the daily is one less day we would need to earn the ship. I understand that this why we are in the situation we are in now but I believe the devs may have found a solution to our problem. By opening the pearl store the devs have given the player a choice. We now have a way to spend the pearls. I think this would also have the effect of giving players who are not interested in the ship to participate in the daily event to earn an alternative prize.
Now there is a small chance that the players may not be interested in what is in the current store so I would also propose adding a character bound event box. This event box can be purchased using the event currency. Since we are limited we are limited to the number of days we can participate in the daily event, the only way to earn more event boxes is to spend lobi on more event currency.
I would like to stress that the event ship should never be placed in the event box. The ship should be the guaranteed reward for participating in the event. The character bound prizes could be items in the event store and the new pearl exchange store. Some of the better prizes could include some lobi items like the costumes (compatible with your current character), perhaps certain consumable items, a lobi ship console or a shuttle. Other items that could be added that are unique event items from past mirror universe or crystalline events (at least this solves the issue of how a player can earn past items). The grand prize should be something bigger and rare that cannot be obtain through regular game play. The prize could be promotional items that cannot be acquired anymore like the Red Matter Capacitor.
Well thats my idea. I dont know how feasible it would be to implement but I tried to address concerns of the players, devs and added a method of monetization (sometimes we have to address the needs of management. I am so sorry for adding that).
We will be making every event ship youve ever earned and every event ship moving forward total account unlocks. As soon as one character on your account owns a ship, every single other character on your account that exists now or you will ever create will have immediate access to any event ship youve earned. There will be no need for your alts to play the event mission, no hoops to fly through other than picking up the ship from a store. Hopefully taking this extra step will address any lingering concerns you have with the overall change. Thanks for reading this far, and I look forward to seeing you on Risa soon!
Let's say I want to claim the Breen T6 carrier (which I have already unlocked) on a Deltalt. Can I do this before the Winter event, and where would I go to do it?
It is not backed up by numbers , nor can it be , because it jumps the logic shark by saying "ppl who have grinded extra hard have completely trivialized play of the events " .
Yeah , grind hard = trivialized .
Mark that one down with the "x17" -- those who know what that means will understand .
Those who don't , let's just say that it was another weasley false accusation of the playerbase , based on metrics .
Oh yeah , and guess where that "narration" came from .
Yeah , metrics-land .
So let's see what many ppl are ACTUALLY cheering here :
a) You've asked for the Pearls not to be retired ?
Yeah , you didn't get that .
b) You asked the ships not to get retired ?
Yeah , you didn't get that either .
c) You bemoaned the fact that you didn't start a ship-project because you didn't have the time to get enough pearls last year ?
Tough .
d) And maybe , maybe one of you self centered sods even mentioned that the "new blood" -- yes those theoretical new players that actually came on board as actual Delta Recruits -- well maybe some of those new recruits wanted to "catch up" and earn those ships -- just like we all did in the previous 2.5 years ?
Naahhh ... .
e) So what did you settle for and decided to call a "victory" ?
That each one of you will have to run the grind a few times less on an Alt .
It was basically nothing anyone asked for ... -- but hey ... , you got it .
Congratulations .... , you've won ... basically nothing but an unrelated convenience . :rolleyes:
... I swear some ppl's heads here are so empty , they start to wag their collective tails when someone (anyone) pats them on the head ...
Umm, wow...
Seriously, though, people are calling this a 'win' because the main gripe most of us (players) had was that we would have been unable to get the previous year's event ships on our newer alts.
The change in currency? Honestly, the way some people 'played the system' it was to be expected, the account discounts implemented last year opened up a 'minor exploit' allowing players to stock up and get ahead thus potentially never having to do another year's daily again. SalamiInferno actually admitted that they got the implementation wrong, they meant it to be a convienience for alts and not a method to get ahead.
Am I still upset about the change in currency? Yes, moderately so, but I can understand why it's being done.
Am I still upset about the projects for previous year's ships no longer being available? Yeah, a little, but again the event ships are a form of 'exclusive' reward for people ACTUALLY participating in the event, so making them unavailable for those who missed the previous events, while moderately unfair, is understandable.
I'm calling this a win because with the change in how event ships will be handed, my alts (current and future) will be able to get something that I've EARNED during the events I participated in.
I swear, some people will never be satisfied unless the whole world is placed at their feet on a silver platter... Take what small victories you can get, and be happy you didn't get screwed over even more.
Seriously, though, people are calling this a 'win' because the main gripe most of us (players) had was that we would have been unable to get the previous year's event ships on our newer alts.
The change in currency? Honestly, the way some people 'played the system' it was to be expected, the account discounts implemented last year opened up a 'minor exploit' allowing players to stock up and get ahead thus potentially never having to do another year's daily again. SalamiInferno actually admitted that they got the implementation wrong, they meant it to be a convienience for alts and not a method to get ahead.
Am I still upset about the change in currency? Yes, moderately so, but I can understand why it's being done.
Am I still upset about the projects for previous year's ships no longer being available? Yeah, a little, but again the event ships are a form of 'exclusive' reward for people ACTUALLY participating in the event, so making them unavailable for those who missed the previous events, while moderately unfair, is understandable.
I'm calling this a win because with the change in how event ships will be handed, my alts (current and future) will be able to get something that I've EARNED during the events I participated in.
I swear, some people will never be satisfied unless the whole world is placed at their feet on a silver platter... Take what small victories you can get, and be happy you didn't get screwed over even more.
Oh come on don't tell me you believe this exclusivity bs they are preaching.
None of those ships were exclusive. Now they are turned into something "exclusive" and nobody got any idea why. If they want to retire the currency fine. Let the people use the currency one last time and then get rid of it. Make the new ship require the new currency but the other projects still can be done with the old currency in addition to the new one.
There is no reason to retire the old ships. Even if they will get replaced with new versions of those ships. There is nothing bad about having redundant ships available. There are tons of those in game a few more will not break the game.
This is no victory. This is a crushing deafeat where some were able to get out alive.
Seriously, though, people are calling this a 'win' because the main gripe most of us (players) had was that we would have been unable to get the previous year's event ships on our newer alts.
Yeah, the "me me me" -crowd is calling it a win. Because being able to bank a ship box on a few more toons is totally the most important issue here. :rolleyes:
Could we get a list of ships that are covered by this...
cause not sure if this includes the free event ships like the Odyssey that was given out before the Odyssey pack was released or only for those given out with a rep project like the recent T6 cruiser, summer, winter or other ships like the Dyson or Obelisk...
Also how will this be done... do I need to have a toon that currently have these ships or can I safely delete all my current toons now and start totally all over as a Delta Recruit and these ships will be claimable?
a) You've asked for the Pearls not to be retired ?
Yeah , you didn't get that .
Didn't ask and don't see why it's relevant. It's not about the damn pearls, it's about the ships.
b) You asked the ships not to get retired ?
Yeah , you didn't get that either .
Didn't ask, but I'll accede that maybe some people wanted them even though T6 is the new hawt.
c) You bemoaned the fact that you didn't start a ship-project because you didn't have the time to get enough pearls last year ?
Tough .
The only bit of this that might actually affect me. This is the one point that makes me want off the Event treadmill.
d) And maybe , maybe one of you self centered sods even mentioned that the "new blood" -- yes those theoretical new players that actually came on board as actual Delta Recruits -- well maybe some of those new recruits wanted to "catch up" and earn those ships -- just like we all did in the previous 2.5 years ?
Naahhh ... .
This is really your item b reworded. My answer is the same.
e) So what did you settle for and decided to call a "victory" ?
That each one of you will have to run the grind a few times less on an Alt .
It was basically nothing anyone asked for ... -- but hey ... , you got it .
Stop being disingenuous. You act like they did nothing. They addressed the biggest problem of grinding (alts) without automatically entitling people to claim the prize and skip the events. There is no easy solution that both prevents that scenario and allows people to accumulate currency to complete events at a later date.
I certainly won't argue that I like the idea that I might grind for the currencies and miss the prize all because I couldn't log in whenever I feel like it. But there may be other ways to address that and make collecting the currencies a little more flexible without enabling people to skip the events from year to year.
All people are really asking for, aside from making the old ships available, is a little flexibility. This is a positive step in the right direction, whether you'd like to acknowledge that or not.
... I swear some ppl's heads here are so empty , they start to wag their collective tails when someone (anyone) pats them on the head ...
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When someone throws insults around in a thread they are trolling and or flaming.
As a mod, I am telling people to stop doing it.
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I think you missed his point... the community lacks resolve. This is the result of the lack of patience that has been developing for the past 5 years. It's like hanging on a thin strand of rope waiting for a ladder to come down and the minute someone points out that they (us included) are on a thin rope we get an old shoddy cable. seeing as how the cable is better than the thin strand of rope... people move shop. But then you have that 1 objectively minded person who realizes this isn't what we should be dealing with. But no... that person apparently is trying to incite argument for no good reason when, really, they are trying to explain to everyone that we need to start climbing. They might have been harsh or dishearten when doing so but it's the point that matters.
I think you missed his point... the community lacks resolve. This is the result of the lack of patience that has been developing for the past 5 years. It's like hanging on a thin strand of rope waiting for a ladder to come down and the minute someone points out that they (us included) are on a thin rope we get an old shoddy cable. seeing as how the cable is better than the thin strand of rope... people move shop. But then you have that 1 objectively minded person who realizes this isn't what we should be dealing with. But no... that person apparently is trying to incite argument for no good reason when, really, they are trying to explain to everyone that we need to start climbing. They might have been harsh or dishearten when doing so but it's the point that matters.
There were valid complaints. There are still valid complaints. By all means, I believe people should voice those complaints.
But maintaining the thread in a state of moral outrage when there's been an effort of good faith, isn't productive. Neither is calling anyone who wants to see the positives as "empty headed". THAT is trolling.
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During the events they gave us something and they made it intentionally that way. We could slot those ships for years and we could get it for a discount later. That have been their gifts. (I was told as a young boy "a gift is a gift and taking it back is stealing".)
Well now they yell "it has been a big mistake, we'll do a reroll. you exploited the game."
They give us consolation prices, but I don't feel consoled. Either I cannot take those or I am not interested.
Even if I don't like it anyway, telling us "this is your last chance before we reroll it", would have been a bit more fair with players.
And you forgot the metrics. I worked for an insurance company. The first thing they told me early in the job was "never believe a statistic, if you had no chance to muddle with it". So take your metrics where the sun doesn't shine. I don't buy it.
After reading through 126 pages, I have decided to throw my useless argument in here as well!
1) They are Time Played specific rewards!, they are now over, the time has passed to obtain them, GET OVER IT! They are digital assets in a digital transient game, so get a Grip people.
2) I did not get any of the Summer/Winter Ships, because each time I looked at the Grind and started an event, I simply could not face playing the Grind for them, it was just not worth my time for a ship or ships, I would undoubtedly park up because there are better paid for ships I own!
3) The Alt system introduced was always an "EXPLOIT" in general STO terms, like many others that have been closed, if you could not see this coming you are
a) A new player
b) Stupid
c) Clueless
Irrelevant of how you see it as wrong or right, that's the simple truth, "EXPLOIT CLOSED" in STO's gameplay eyes!
4) You do not have a say in how this game runs, irrelevant of how much moaning on a forum you do!
5) I may actually do the summer event now due to the account unlock on ships, if -IF I deem the ship on reward is worth the effort ( Or at least the Starship Trait is worth the effort)
SO - all this affects me very little, if anything, its better this way!
Time to move on people, Stay and Play, or Leave, your choice!
There were valid complaints. There are still valid complaints. By all means, I believe people should voice those complaints.
But maintaining the thread in a state of moral outrage when there's been an effort of good faith, isn't productive. Neither is calling anyone who wants to see the positives as "empty headed". THAT is trolling.
"Wanna get rekt brah? wot up m8? IIlluminati confirmed!" yadda yadda yadda <---- My idea of trolling.... In my opinion he/she was insulting but not a troll. In my experience trolls NEVER have valid points. lol
There has been a lot of discussion, speculation, and general debate with the decision to adjust the way Summer Event ship currency is earned. This wasnt a decision we came to lightly, but it was one that we needed to make to maintain the integrity of this event and these ships. Im going to take a moment to give some history on these sorts of events, why we made this decision, and what we plan to do moving forward.
Our seasonal events came to pass as a way to give you something fun to play that doesnt fall strictly in line with our standard gameplay, while also giving out a rare and powerful reward for doing so. We decided, as most of you would, that the most desirable reward we could give out is a ship and a system was designed to give you access to that ship. Over a specific period of time youre asked to log in and play a short mission for about 55% of that time in order to earn a near lock box quality ship. This ship was earned per character and each character on your account had to turn in the same amount of currency to earn the ship. The ship wasnt only powerful, but was a status symbol for someone that was there when the event ran. After a couple of years of participating in this system the general feedback from the community was that this was too tedious and far too much of a commitment for people with multiple alts that wanted the ship. This led us to have some internal discussions and make a change.
About a year ago we changed the system so that all you had to do was earn the ship on a single character on your account, and then every alt you had that could slot the ship project only had to turn in a single days worth of currency in order to get the ship. We were happy to make this change, and were even happier at how well it was received by the community. It meant everyone got their ships and didnt have to get completely burned out on the daily mission to earn the currency. For a time, this was a great setup and both dev and player got what they wanted.
Over the last couple of seasonal events we noticed a trend that was different than we had seen in the past. General participation on the event was dropping, but the number of ships being collected was staying the same. Somehow people were playing less and still earning the ships from these events; we started digging into the numbers to figure this out. We initially assumed people were using the Lobi bypass option to speed their way through the events, but after digging deeper into the numbers that wasnt the case either. It turned out the change we made to make earning the ships more alt friendly had completely trivialized play of the events. Players could earn currency on all of their alts in one year, and then spend the currency from a single character every year to get the ship immediately. While some few players would then re-run the event on the character that spent their currency, the vast majority wouldnt. Again, this meant participation was down while rewards were still earned at the same rate.
Ive written all of this to explain how weve gotten to where we are today, a new currency for every ship every year. This ensured that each year the players that participate in the event will earn the reward for that year, while still allowing alts to earn the ships after a single play of the event. We knew that shipping the alt friendly system as it was is our mistake, and we wanted to ensure that impacted players werent left with nothing. We created a variety of desirable rewards that would let players turn in their pearls and feel like they got something valuable or unique for them. While this satisfied me in the short term, after reading all of your feedback I want to take this a step further.
We will be making every event ship youve ever earned and every event ship moving forward total account unlocks. As soon as one character on your account owns a ship, every single other character on your account that exists now or you will ever create will have immediate access to any event ship youve earned. There will be no need for your alts to play the event mission, no hoops to fly through other than picking up the ship from a store. Hopefully taking this extra step will address any lingering concerns you have with the overall change. Thanks for reading this far, and I look forward to seeing you on Risa soon!
Nothing about why older ships are removed? Am I missing it? Why remove them? Least make it so that are available, at least this year, with this year currency! There... metrics satisfied!
Nothing about why older ships are removed? Am I missing it? Why remove them? Least make it so that are available, at least this year, with this year currency! There... metrics satisfied!
They want to maintain exclusivity, which is something the players don't want.
It's pretty easy to gather that much.
I know I don't want that, anyway.
The winter carrier is the first event ship to really interest me, and I got screwed out of it by this decision
3) The Alt system introduced was always an "EXPLOIT" in general STO terms, like many others that have been closed,...
Maybe, but this "exploit" has been planned, released and improved by cryptic. We were simply using it.
Of course there had been special limited offerings like the anniversary ships, like some tribbles or more, but we always KNEW of the temporary nature of those things and nobody complained and all accepted it.
This one is different. We were playing by the rules given to us. Nobody exploited. Now there is a change of heart and what happens is that players get punished for living by the rules.
A companies biggest asset is the trust people have in their decisions. If you cannot trust said company you take your wallet to another company.
Well. I stay to play, but it will be strictly F2P for me from this time onward.
I'll continue until you mess up the game that much, that I'm not interested anymore.
Once you loose trust of your customers, it is hard to earn it back!
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The Players, wanted to horde currency so they didn't have to do the same events over and over again to get their ships.. that makes sense too.
The Devs have taken away our ability to horde currency which got them what they wanted, but made the ships account wide unlocks meaning you only had to earn it once with one character.
Yeah, I'm calling this one a win for both sides. I have a bunch of event currency that's now worthless, but the fact that I will be able to dismiss/re-claim event ships on any of my characters MORE then makes up for it.
I absolutely love this change. I'll gladly play your events to get the ship, it's absolutely worth it to me now.
That was a refreshingly well thought out and detailed response to player concerns about the lolhunat pearl issue and I appreciate you taking the time to explain to us.
Your improved to the solution to the problem is at least welcomed by me. Thank you. I'm satisfied with the changes now.
If the previous Risan ships are made unavailable for new players, and this is written up as some kind of "reward" for old players...as an old player, I'm going to feel offended.
I don't want new players to be permanently excluded from fun and/or useful things just because they haven't played as long as I have. To suggest that I should see others being excluded as a "reward" is insulting.
Welcome to the Club, thats exactly what i and the Majority of Players here say, yea i have all those Ships so i will get my Account Wide Unlock, is the Problem / Issue Solved? NO its NOT. I dont want those Ships to be Exclusive to me and all old Players, unlike some Sellfish Players who think thats a good Idea, i and the Majority here DONT Support this. New Players should NOT Locked out, they should have the same Chance that we had to get those Ships too if they Decide to Spend the Time to Grind for them, i say again and again WHATs the Problem with that??? First Making all this Big TRARARARA for the Delta Recruitment to get New Players into the Game, and than with the Next Event lock them Out from those 2 Ships? Really???? I Would ask again for a LOGICAL /Reasonable Answer to that, but the thing is there CANT be such an Answer because *****IT IS NOT LOGICAL**** because *****IT IS WRONG****i dont know how often i or WE have to Repeat this......
Friend, you can buy those in the GPL store later.
This is what is called "narration" .
It is not backed up by numbers , nor can it be , because it jumps the logic shark by saying "ppl who have grinded extra hard have completely trivialized play of the events " .
Yeah , grind hard = trivialized .
Mark that one down with the "x17" -- those who know what that means will understand .
Those who don't , let's just say that it was another weasley false accusation of the playerbase , based on metrics .
Oh yeah , and guess where that "narration" came from .
Yeah , metrics-land .
So let's see what many ppl are ACTUALLY cheering here :
a) You've asked for the Pearls not to be retired ?
Yeah , you didn't get that .
b) You asked the ships not to get retired ?
Yeah , you didn't get that either .
c) You bemoaned the fact that you didn't start a ship-project because you didn't have the time to get enough pearls last year ?
Tough .
d) And maybe , maybe one of you self centered sods even mentioned that the "new blood" -- yes those theoretical new players that actually came on board as actual Delta Recruits -- well maybe some of those new recruits wanted to "catch up" and earn those ships -- just like we all did in the previous 2.5 years ?
Naahhh ... .
e) So what did you settle for and decided to call a "victory" ?
That each one of you will have to run the grind a few times less on an Alt .
It was basically nothing anyone asked for ... -- but hey ... , you got it .
Congratulations .... , you've won ... basically nothing but an unrelated convenience . :rolleyes:
... I swear some ppl's heads here are so empty , they start to wag their collective tails when someone (anyone) pats them on the head ...
*******THIS************** We Won NOTHING **https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ We Complained and Complained, and we only got Something small...to try Calm down People but NOT what was asked for.
That's it.
As far as I know, every player likes the return of the "featured series / episodes" in order to get the "exclusive" rewards. It has been fun to get into these reruns. For the sake of "exclusivity", are you going to deny us such reruns in the future? Just think about this. Featuring a rerun is pulling some of your old customers back into the game. You don't want that? Go ahead!
That is the same with Risa. I wasn't to Risa for the "free ship" alone (which has been never free at all, because you had to work for it). I did it to get the Doffs and the reputations marks as well. But last year's summer event was the first that I could attend and I was able to get all 3 ships then. I was happy I could do it and I am mad as hell that you killed that opportunity for other players.
I don't want "exclusive". I want fun. And I want others to have fun too. You are just trying to kill the fun.
I'm a casual player. I don't like gigantic obstacles to get the fun. Fun in MMOs usally equals to collecting gear and other things. You may make it a tedious process to get those "stuff", but changing the "game" that you have introduced and planned that way without prior notice or some time to do it old style just one more time is punishing players for playing the game as you had offered them to play it.
Doing it bit by bit, update for update, nerf for nerf, is reminding me on a term I was used to in my family. We called it "salami tactics"!
I do have an idea Id like to share on how we can make changes to the event.
I think we should keep most of the changes made this year like the ship account wide unlock and the pearl exchange store. However, the ships should not be made unique during the current event but we should be able to earn them in any future event. We should keep the current pearls or at least exchange it for the new currency and they should not expire at the end of the event.
I feel the pearl situation is very important situation to deal with and I have my doubts that anything can be changed this year but I think there is a better way to address the issue than to get rid of the currency every year. I think the biggest issue is that we were given a currency that has one purpose, earn a ship. The problem has been what to do with the currency after we get the ship. In past events all we could do was save them for the next event. This had the nice bonus that for every day we spent playing the daily is one less day we would need to earn the ship. I understand that this why we are in the situation we are in now but I believe the devs may have found a solution to our problem. By opening the pearl store the devs have given the player a choice. We now have a way to spend the pearls. I think this would also have the effect of giving players who are not interested in the ship to participate in the daily event to earn an alternative prize.
Now there is a small chance that the players may not be interested in what is in the current store so I would also propose adding a character bound event box. This event box can be purchased using the event currency. Since we are limited we are limited to the number of days we can participate in the daily event, the only way to earn more event boxes is to spend lobi on more event currency.
I would like to stress that the event ship should never be placed in the event box. The ship should be the guaranteed reward for participating in the event. The character bound prizes could be items in the event store and the new pearl exchange store. Some of the better prizes could include some lobi items like the costumes (compatible with your current character), perhaps certain consumable items, a lobi ship console or a shuttle. Other items that could be added that are unique event items from past mirror universe or crystalline events (at least this solves the issue of how a player can earn past items). The grand prize should be something bigger and rare that cannot be obtain through regular game play. The prize could be promotional items that cannot be acquired anymore like the Red Matter Capacitor.
Well thats my idea. I dont know how feasible it would be to implement but I tried to address concerns of the players, devs and added a method of monetization (sometimes we have to address the needs of management. I am so sorry for adding that).
Let's say I want to claim the Breen T6 carrier (which I have already unlocked) on a Deltalt. Can I do this before the Winter event, and where would I go to do it?
Umm, wow...
Seriously, though, people are calling this a 'win' because the main gripe most of us (players) had was that we would have been unable to get the previous year's event ships on our newer alts.
The change in currency? Honestly, the way some people 'played the system' it was to be expected, the account discounts implemented last year opened up a 'minor exploit' allowing players to stock up and get ahead thus potentially never having to do another year's daily again. SalamiInferno actually admitted that they got the implementation wrong, they meant it to be a convienience for alts and not a method to get ahead.
Am I still upset about the change in currency? Yes, moderately so, but I can understand why it's being done.
Am I still upset about the projects for previous year's ships no longer being available? Yeah, a little, but again the event ships are a form of 'exclusive' reward for people ACTUALLY participating in the event, so making them unavailable for those who missed the previous events, while moderately unfair, is understandable.
I'm calling this a win because with the change in how event ships will be handed, my alts (current and future) will be able to get something that I've EARNED during the events I participated in.
I swear, some people will never be satisfied unless the whole world is placed at their feet on a silver platter... Take what small victories you can get, and be happy you didn't get screwed over even more.
Oh come on don't tell me you believe this exclusivity bs they are preaching.
None of those ships were exclusive. Now they are turned into something "exclusive" and nobody got any idea why. If they want to retire the currency fine. Let the people use the currency one last time and then get rid of it. Make the new ship require the new currency but the other projects still can be done with the old currency in addition to the new one.
There is no reason to retire the old ships. Even if they will get replaced with new versions of those ships. There is nothing bad about having redundant ships available. There are tons of those in game a few more will not break the game.
This is no victory. This is a crushing deafeat where some were able to get out alive.
cause not sure if this includes the free event ships like the Odyssey that was given out before the Odyssey pack was released or only for those given out with a rep project like the recent T6 cruiser, summer, winter or other ships like the Dyson or Obelisk...
Also how will this be done... do I need to have a toon that currently have these ships or can I safely delete all my current toons now and start totally all over as a Delta Recruit and these ships will be claimable?
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Well, I definitely count myself firmly in the 'some people'. Salami's post is a step in the right direction, but that one little detail still bugs me.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
You are a moderator you should know better than to post that. You are inciting this whole situation even more with this post.
As a mod, I am telling people to stop doing it.
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I think you missed his point... the community lacks resolve. This is the result of the lack of patience that has been developing for the past 5 years. It's like hanging on a thin strand of rope waiting for a ladder to come down and the minute someone points out that they (us included) are on a thin rope we get an old shoddy cable. seeing as how the cable is better than the thin strand of rope... people move shop. But then you have that 1 objectively minded person who realizes this isn't what we should be dealing with. But no... that person apparently is trying to incite argument for no good reason when, really, they are trying to explain to everyone that we need to start climbing. They might have been harsh or dishearten when doing so but it's the point that matters.
There were valid complaints. There are still valid complaints. By all means, I believe people should voice those complaints.
But maintaining the thread in a state of moral outrage when there's been an effort of good faith, isn't productive. Neither is calling anyone who wants to see the positives as "empty headed". THAT is trolling.
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Sorry, but you get it wrong.
During the events they gave us something and they made it intentionally that way. We could slot those ships for years and we could get it for a discount later. That have been their gifts. (I was told as a young boy "a gift is a gift and taking it back is stealing".)
Well now they yell "it has been a big mistake, we'll do a reroll. you exploited the game."
They give us consolation prices, but I don't feel consoled. Either I cannot take those or I am not interested.
Even if I don't like it anyway, telling us "this is your last chance before we reroll it", would have been a bit more fair with players.
And you forgot the metrics. I worked for an insurance company. The first thing they told me early in the job was "never believe a statistic, if you had no chance to muddle with it". So take your metrics where the sun doesn't shine. I don't buy it.
1) They are Time Played specific rewards!, they are now over, the time has passed to obtain them, GET OVER IT! They are digital assets in a digital transient game, so get a Grip people.
2) I did not get any of the Summer/Winter Ships, because each time I looked at the Grind and started an event, I simply could not face playing the Grind for them, it was just not worth my time for a ship or ships, I would undoubtedly park up because there are better paid for ships I own!
3) The Alt system introduced was always an "EXPLOIT" in general STO terms, like many others that have been closed, if you could not see this coming you are
a) A new player
b) Stupid
c) Clueless
Irrelevant of how you see it as wrong or right, that's the simple truth, "EXPLOIT CLOSED" in STO's gameplay eyes!
4) You do not have a say in how this game runs, irrelevant of how much moaning on a forum you do!
5) I may actually do the summer event now due to the account unlock on ships, if -IF I deem the ship on reward is worth the effort ( Or at least the Starship Trait is worth the effort)
SO - all this affects me very little, if anything, its better this way!
Time to move on people, Stay and Play, or Leave, your choice!
"Wanna get rekt brah? wot up m8? IIlluminati confirmed!" yadda yadda yadda <---- My idea of trolling.... In my opinion he/she was insulting but not a troll. In my experience trolls NEVER have valid points. lol
Nothing about why older ships are removed? Am I missing it? Why remove them? Least make it so that are available, at least this year, with this year currency! There... metrics satisfied!
They want to maintain exclusivity, which is something the players don't want.
It's pretty easy to gather that much.
I know I don't want that, anyway.
The winter carrier is the first event ship to really interest me, and I got screwed out of it by this decision
And you need the Raider to get the Figate pet for the carrier. So if you dont have that but have the carrier your carrier cant get those pets now.
Maybe, but this "exploit" has been planned, released and improved by cryptic. We were simply using it.
Of course there had been special limited offerings like the anniversary ships, like some tribbles or more, but we always KNEW of the temporary nature of those things and nobody complained and all accepted it.
This one is different. We were playing by the rules given to us. Nobody exploited. Now there is a change of heart and what happens is that players get punished for living by the rules.
A companies biggest asset is the trust people have in their decisions. If you cannot trust said company you take your wallet to another company.
Well. I stay to play, but it will be strictly F2P for me from this time onward.
I'll continue until you mess up the game that much, that I'm not interested anymore.
Once you loose trust of your customers, it is hard to earn it back!