I think they received the 75% solution on this...to reach the 95% solution would be to keep the existing ships one more event as an act of good faith AND THEN retire it after this years event is over and do the same for all of the events.
Cryptic gets their exclusivity and players don't feel BOHICA or Bent Over Here It Comes Again.
To Reach the 95% Solution, or lets just say to make MOST People Happy or calm them down the Solution would be - and i said that Several Times now - DONT TAKE THE OLD SHIPS AWAY AT ALL, not NOW not on the Following Events, if they want they can Upgrade them to T6 until the Next Event, but Let People who want those Ships GRIND for them when its Event Time.
Seriously WHO, WHO here is asking for that Exclusivity Mambo Jambo Nonsense? I Have all the Event and Anniversary Ships so i could say YAY Account Wide Unlock for all my Chars all is fine now...but its NOT, because that would be SELLFISH, i dont give a TRIBBLE about this Exclusivity Trash Talk, i want it to be Fair for ALL Including New Players, if a Event (Summer / Winter what ever) is going on, New Players should have the same CHANCE to get those Ships like older Players had it before, i mean Lets be honest, is there ANYONE here who says "I was here First and i got the Ship, and NO ONE ELSE should get it after me!" Anyone? Someone? I dont think so?
So again @CRYPTIC NO ONE Wants that Exclusivity, we want the Game to be Fair for EVERYONE, we are NOT SELLFISH (at least most os us) so NO you guys are WRONG.
Locking out New Players who also would like to have those Ships = ANGRY PLAYER, Angry Player = Less Willing to Pay a CENT into the Game = BAD DEAL for you.
Do i really have to say more? Its not like i have not Repeated myself over and over again? Not Like over 100 Pages with people saying the Same INCLUDING my Brother who you guys BANNED for a Week from the Forum just because he said the Truth? Is it really to much asked for if we want EVERYONE to be handled Fair? Again i couldn't Care LESS Since i allready have ALL SHIPS, but i DO CARE, because ****IT IS NOT FAIR****for Newcommer****
So C'MON, you Fixed 50% of the ISSUE / Complaints, now Fix the REST and Everything is FINE:eek::eek::eek:
Redicoulous, even if i do get shinny on day one, in order to get shiny on day 1 next year i come back daily/almost daily depending on real life requirements to grind enough for next year, and besides if you can still short cut with Lobi then that entire argument goes the way of the Buffalo.
I have several characters sitting on 960 of both the summer and winter event currencies (cause 1000 takes up 2 inventory slots). It's not hard to do at all. I kinda like being able to convert my pearls into spec points, so I can finish the commando tree on a couple of my characters. I mostly didn't like losing the corvette and cruiser, but that's been addressed. (New players can't get them, but oh well.)
Now I'm worried that the summer ship will be a T6 corvette. I really wanted a science ship this year.
Locking out New Players who also would like to have those Ships = ANGRY PLAYER, Angry Player = Less Willing to Pay a CENT into the Game = BAD DEAL for you.
A number of players keep posting "until something is fixed I am not spending a dime, If you do not roll back the last expansion I am not spending a dime. This a pure money grab, I am not spending a dime, etc, etc, etc."
Development armchairing and theating not to spend money on the game is so prominent on these forums and in the game that I believe is not even on the radar for the Devs.
"TRIBBLE said this on the forums, we must change it now!!!" Said no Dev ever.
The Devs made a change they decided was the best course of action, a large number of people spoke up, and I do believe that some of the discussion had merit, and the Devs changed their plans in response. But nooo, you all want more free stuff with no effort. If Real Life keeps getting in the way of your ability to play the game, and you have the time to complain about it on the forums, don't you think your priorities are seriously messed up?
... after reading all of your feedback I want to take this a step further.
We will be making every event ship youve ever earned and every event ship moving forward total account unlocks. As soon as one character on your account owns a ship, every single other character on your account that exists now or you will ever create will have immediate access to any event ship youve earned. There will be no need for your alts to play the event mission, no hoops to fly through other than picking up the ship from a store. Hopefully taking this extra step will address any lingering concerns you have with the overall change. Thanks for reading this far, and I look forward to seeing you on Risa soon!
This one really makes me wonder about the thought process at Cryptic, though.
You saw this as a problem. These are players who you could reasonably suspect were going to stick around for another year. An entire year in which they could reasonably be expected to buy things. If for no other reason, when they are feeling demoralized... there's always that hitch that they should return for the summer event.
And that is the worst case scenario. Players who become seasonal players, only showing up for Risa. But even then... if they returned, they would return to all the changes you've made since the last Risa summer event, yes? Giving your team an entire year to impress those players into sticking around some more.
Why was this ever considered a problem? A short-term problem, sure. But these are players who get away with nothing. They do extra work in the summer so they don't have to the following summer.
You had a system in place that got your hooks into the minds of players that they should keep playing STO for another year so they could trivialize the gameplay next year.
These are players that plan one year ahead. They have way more faith in your game than you seem to perceive, but you were unwilling to see the big picture because your concern was... what? Short-term metrics?
History has shown that Cryptic/PWE only care about the short-term. For them, maintaining a short-term perspective allows them to gain more profit just in-case the game goes under. For them, this IS the longevity of the game...... money and LOTS of it. It's sad but true.
A number of players keep posting "until something is fixed I am not spending a dime, If you do not roll back the last expansion I am not spending a dime. This a pure money grab, I am not spending a dime, etc, etc, etc."
Development armchairing and theating not to spend money on the game is so prominent on these forums and in the game that I believe is not even on the radar for the Devs.
"TRIBBLE said this on the forums, we must change it now!!!" Said no Dev ever.
The Devs made a change they decided was the best course of action, a large number of people spoke up, and I do believe that some of the discussion had merit, and the Devs changed their plans in response. But nooo, you all want more free stuff with no effort. If Real Life keeps getting in the way of your ability to play the game, and you have the time to complain about it on the forums, don't you think your priorities are seriously messed up?
There is a huge difference between the players who stopped spending money on this game and ask for bug fixes vs the people who threatened to stop spending money because exploit ABC that benefited them was removed.
Speaking for myself here, Cryptic can look at my expenditures and compare them to the times I've posted on the forums. I'll go one step further. I grant Cryptic/PWE permission to post my expenditures on this game, both the date, time, and amount in USD purchased, so long as it is:
a) Only in this thread
b) If they also include a timeline of my forum activity as well.
I voted with my wallet before I voted with my virtual mouth.
I like this game. There's tons of potential for both challenges and entertainment. I have, and will continue to applaud Crytpic as a whole when they do something good, and critique them when they do something bad. I can then decide if I want to hope and wait that some sort of improvement will be made (or a roadmap provided), or decide to move on to other sources of challenging entertainment.
To those that will get your ships, congratulations. I applaud Cryptic for reviewing this quickly and coming to a decision that will be fair to both the players that have earned access to the ship(s), as well as address the internal issues that Cryptic has to face. I hope that the lessons learned here will be applied to any future endeavours.
A number of players keep posting "until something is fixed I am not spending a dime, If you do not roll back the last expansion I am not spending a dime. This a pure money grab, I am not spending a dime, etc, etc, etc."
Development armchairing and theating not to spend money on the game is so prominent on these forums and in the game that I believe is not even on the radar for the Devs.
"TRIBBLE said this on the forums, we must change it now!!!" Said no Dev ever.
The Devs made a change they decided was the best course of action, a large number of people spoke up, and I do believe that some of the discussion had merit, and the Devs changed their plans in response. But nooo, you all want more free stuff with no effort. If Real Life keeps getting in the way of your ability to play the game, and you have the time to complain about it on the forums, don't you think your priorities are seriously messed up?
No. I don't ask for freebies. I never will. I always spend some effort on reaching what I want.
But I don't like lies, I don't like being fooled, I don't like being punished for using a game feature that was intended to work that way. To be honest, I hate it, when somebody is doing that to me.
I respond in kind, I respond the way I can respond to it. I did spend some money on Cryptic games in the past. I won't do that again. You made me distrust you and thus I'm not giving money anymore. It's my strongest argument and I use it. So now you have to live with it.
It's no threat. It's a decision! You lie, trick or punish me and I quit spending money. It's just that easy.
Looks like its good thing that i get all ships last winter eh :cool:
As to less people on Events map - Maybe if they were not so bugged :mad:
- then maybe there would be more people socialising and not just
grab ship with least work possible....
A number of players keep posting "until something is fixed I am not spending a dime, If you do not roll back the last expansion I am not spending a dime. This a pure money grab, I am not spending a dime, etc, etc, etc."
Development armchairing and theating not to spend money on the game is so prominent on these forums and in the game that I believe is not even on the radar for the Devs.
"TRIBBLE said this on the forums, we must change it now!!!" Said no Dev ever.
The Devs made a change they decided was the best course of action, a large number of people spoke up, and I do believe that some of the discussion had merit, and the Devs changed their plans in response. But nooo, you all want more free stuff with no effort. If Real Life keeps getting in the way of your ability to play the game, and you have the time to complain about it on the forums, don't you think your priorities are seriously messed up?
Before you Open your Mouth, Switch on Your Brain, Read my ENTIRE Post, Understand what i said and THAN Give an Answer if you have to :rolleyes:
I Allready have ALL those Ships - like i said in my Post BEFORE - so I Could Just say ALL IS FINE for me and i dont Care for the New Player who will NOT be able to get those old Ships, but since i and Fortunately MOST other Players are also NOT so Sellfish, i DO Care, you dont care? YOUR PROBLEM. And as you can see, after the OVERHELMING Negative Feedback in this Thread they DID Listen and they DID Change their Mind to a Certain Degree, and Changed things into a better Direction, BUT we still have the Problem that Newcommer are Locked out from getting the chance to Grind for the Old Ships - YES GRIND FOR THEM, not with a SINGLE Word did i say give it to them for FREE, so no NO ONE is Asking for MORE Free Stuff, People are Asking them to KEEP what is allready in and NOT Remove it, and if you have read the Thread from the Begining and i highly doubt that you did, you will see that the MAJORITY of People are saying the Same - so again, before you Play the Einstein, READ First ANSWER Afterwards, or DONT answer at all. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
There has been a lot of discussion, speculation, and general debate with the decision to adjust the way Summer Event ship currency is earned. This wasn’t a decision we came to lightly, but it was one that we needed to make to maintain the integrity of this event and these ships. I’m going to take a moment to give some history on these sorts of events, why we made this decision, and what we plan to do moving forward.
Our seasonal events came to pass as a way to give you something fun to play that doesn’t fall strictly in line with our standard gameplay, while also giving out a rare and powerful reward for doing so. We decided, as most of you would, that the most desirable reward we could give out is a ship and a system was designed to give you access to that ship. Over a specific period of time you’re asked to log in and play a short mission for about 55% of that time in order to earn a near lock box quality ship. This ship was earned per character and each character on your account had to turn in the same amount of currency to earn the ship. The ship wasn’t only powerful, but was a status symbol for someone that was there when the event ran. After a couple of years of participating in this system the general feedback from the community was that this was too tedious and far too much of a commitment for people with multiple alts that wanted the ship. This led us to have some internal discussions and make a change.
About a year ago we changed the system so that all you had to do was earn the ship on a single character on your account, and then every alt you had that could slot the ship project only had to turn in a single day’s worth of currency in order to get the ship. We were happy to make this change, and were even happier at how well it was received by the community. It meant everyone got their ships and didn’t have to get completely burned out on the daily mission to earn the currency. For a time, this was a great setup and both dev and player got what they wanted.
Over the last couple of seasonal events we noticed a trend that was different than we had seen in the past. General participation on the event was dropping, but the number of ships being collected was staying the same. Somehow people were playing less and still earning the ships from these events; we started digging into the numbers to figure this out. We initially assumed people were using the Lobi bypass option to speed their way through the events, but after digging deeper into the numbers that wasn’t the case either. It turned out the change we made to make earning the ships more alt friendly had completely trivialized play of the events. Players could earn currency on all of their alts in one year, and then spend the currency from a single character every year to get the ship immediately. While some few players would then re-run the event on the character that spent their currency, the vast majority wouldn’t. Again, this meant participation was down while rewards were still earned at the same rate.
I’ve written all of this to explain how we’ve gotten to where we are today, a new currency for every ship every year. This ensured that each year the players that participate in the event will earn the reward for that year, while still allowing alts to earn the ships after a single play of the event. We knew that shipping the alt friendly system as it was is our mistake, and we wanted to ensure that impacted players weren’t left with nothing. We created a variety of desirable rewards that would let players turn in their pearls and feel like they got something valuable or unique for them. While this satisfied me in the short term, after reading all of your feedback I want to take this a step further.
We will be making every event ship you’ve ever earned and every event ship moving forward total account unlocks. As soon as one character on your account owns a ship, every single other character on your account that exists now or you will ever create will have immediate access to any event ship you’ve earned. There will be no need for your alts to play the event mission, no hoops to fly through other than picking up the ship from a store. Hopefully taking this extra step will address any lingering concerns you have with the overall change. Thanks for reading this far, and I look forward to seeing you on Risa soon!
Why is Management still planning to KILL anything that is FUN in this game...XP leveling, SPECs, Dilithium bonus reduction and all of that since DR launched last October alone. What is the new business plan since DR? To quench any single morsel of FUN from this MMO. I know nobody is putting a gun on me to play. However, this NOT the way customers should be treated. Time after time the so called "exploits" were not made by your customers but by DEVs making this game as a swiss cheese full of holes. Don't BLAME the playerbase for being smarter than how the DEVs structured the game. At least, meet halfway and some warning would have been great. Not just...here you have a few days to convert. The whole summer event 2015 should have been a conversion event allowing players to adjust to the new system.
I guess METRICS is behind all of these continuing changes at the expense of alienating playerbase. Some will get pissed and leave and PWE hopes some more would come back or start playing. How many times can this be the new business plan since DR launched? Metrics are NOT everything and eventually the playerbase will have enough with the chipping away the little dignity of playing this MMO.
We will be making every event ship youve ever earned and every event ship moving forward total account unlocks. As soon as one character on your account owns a ship, every single other character on your account that exists now or you will ever create will have immediate access to any event ship youve earned. There will be no need for your alts to play the event mission, no hoops to fly through other than picking up the ship from a store. Hopefully taking this extra step will address any lingering concerns you have with the overall change. Thanks for reading this far, and I look forward to seeing you on Risa soon!
So now that the Salami Swami has weighed in, I'll go ahead and put in my thoughts as well.
Thank you for that awesome post. Love it. Thank you for making these event ships account wide. That's far beyond any expectation I ever had for these ships. Super awesome.
That said, I still have a few concerns about some of the points you made and would like to address those.
First, exclusivity.
My opinion is that time limited exclusive ships are bad. I can understand wanting to create a drive for people to acquire these ships and create a sort of reward/status for your vet players who were around for that event, but I think you're going about it the wrong way.
You see it's possible to reward your vets without snubbing your newer players. What you're about to do by making these ships and any future ships exclusive is simply creating animosity between the haves and the have-nots. This is aggravated even further by removing in progress projects for those who have to miss some of the event due to real life. So now not only are you snubbing your new players who come to the game after the event, you're snubbing your vets who have real life happen. I don't see how you can possibly think this is even a remotely good idea.
Second, set pieces on event ships.
I'm going to use the Samsar here as the prime example. It's awesome that you're going to let us claim it account wide since it comes with set pieces that cannot be obtained anywhere else. That, however, is the problem. This is now tied into the exclusivity point above. If you're really going to go through with the bad idea of exclusive ships, then you ABSOLUTELY CANNOT be having set pieces come on limited time ships anymore. EVER AGAIN. At all. Period.
The reason is that you created an item that is necessary to complete a set but then made it unobtainable by any new players coming in.
New Player: "Hey I just bought these sweet new Command Ships. I love them! How do I get the console to finish the set?"
Vet Player: "Oh you can't. It was on a limited time exclusive ship and you can never, ever get it again. You will forever have to have an incomplete set."
New Player: :(:( (Or replace with possibly expletives. Or both.)
Can you see the problem here if you're really going to go through with this? This is just not how you create a healthy and happy community. This is how you TRIBBLE people off. Especially when money is now involved with people buying a shiny new ship pack that has a set they can never, ever complete. I did note that you did not do this with the new Pilot ships. So good choice on that. I hope you continue to make all new ship sets just like that. I just felt that I needed to reiterate this point due to what a bad idea putting set pieces on time limited exclusive ships is.
In the end, I feel that you (Cryptic) still miss the entire point of what events are supposed to be. Events are supposed to be a fun, relaxing break from normal gameplay. Most MMOs out there get this and do it quite well. Instead, you have managed to turn your events into the exact opposite. You use your events as a substitute for normal gameplay to pad your metrics as evidenced by your post. I'm sure that other MMO companies have metrics involved in their event planning, but I don't feel that they go to the absurd extent that you (Cryptic) do. Except for maybe TERA. I'm playing their new anniversary event and it's far and away worse than any event I've ever played. So there's that I guess.
Anyway, I'll thank you again for posting that up to let us know your thought process and for making event ships account wide. But I feel that you guys still have a long way to go to make your seasonal events fun and relaxing.
Before you Open your Mouth, Switch on Your Brain, Read my ENTIRE Post, Understand what i said and THAN Give an Answer if you have to :rolleyes:
I Allready have ALL those Ships - like i said in my Post BEFORE - so I Could Just say ALL IS FINE for me and i dont Care for the New Player who will NOT be able to get those old Ships, but since i and Fortunately MOST other Players are also NOT so Sellfish, i DO Care, you dont care? YOUR PROBLEM. And as you can see, after the OVERHELMING Negative Feedback in this Thread they DID Listen and they DID Change their Mind to a Certain Degree, and Changed things into a better Direction, BUT we still have the Problem that Newcommer are Locked out from getting the chance to Grind for the Old Ships - YES GRIND FOR THEM, not with a SINGLE Word did i say give it to them for FREE, so no NO ONE is Asking for MORE Free Stuff, People are Asking them to KEEP what is allready in and NOT Remove it, and if you have read the Thread from the Begining and i highly doubt that you did, you will see that the MAJORITY of People are saying the Same - so again, before you Play the Einstein, READ First ANSWER Afterwards, or DONT answer at all. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
Thank you for proving my point, as you did not find a response worth mentioning, you resorted to personal attacks. Let me clarify and respond to your whole thread earlier, as I was not, I was using a portion of your post to prove my point. Items are removed from games all the time, someone that decides to join the game now, rather than join in beta, should not expect to be handed everything (or be able to attain) that was available in beta. ( Or any other special event)
As you are pushing for everything to be fair and balanced in the game, are you not pushing for the time and money people have already spent in game to be reduced in importance to satisify a group of players who have not spent the same time and money into the game? Will it not destroy the advantage the long term players have?
Thank you for proving my point, as you did not find a response worth mentioning, you resorted to personal attacks. Let me clarify and respond to your whole thread earlier, as I was not, I was using a portion of your post to prove my point. Items are removed from games all the time, someone that decides to join the game now, rather than join in beta, should not expect to be handed everything (or be able to attain) that was available in beta. ( Or any other special event)
As you are pushing for everything to be fair and balanced in the game, are you not pushing for the time and money people have already spent in game to be reduced in importance to satisify a group of players who have not spent the same time and money into the game? Will it not destroy the advantage the long term players have?
I Really want to know who started with the Attacking First :rolleyes:
Anyway i will Not even Waste my Time Answering you more than those Few Sentences, me and several Others Answered you and told you that you are WRONG, and 95% of all the People here in the Thread are also saying the OPPOSITE of what you say, in other Words, you are one of those "White Knights" Jumping in the Thread on their High Horses and Defending what ever there is that they can Defend, a SELLFISH Knight that is But gues what? those 95% of the People DONT CARE what you have to say, we still say make it FAIR for everyone, we are not saying give it them for free, and we DONT want something totaly NEW other than what ever the New Ship will be, what we are Asking for is KEEP what is allready IN and not Just since Yesterday but for 3 Winter Events and 2 Summer Events now, it was always GOOD as it was, so there is NO Reason to take away those things now cause there is NO one asking for this Exclusivity, maybe other than SELLFISH People like you, so do US a Favour and dont Waste our Time will ya? Iam Sure other are also Responding you right now while iam Typing this Post
Please do not use the Quotation marks around White knight when referring to me, it is not questionable if I am not a while knight or not. I have no illusions of grandeur, my comments are my own, if no one agrees with me, it just means I am not part of the masses blinding following everyone else.
My point is again proven on "fix this or I will not spend another dime" threat:
I do not have an issue if people wish not to spend money on the game, those who feel they need to announce it and make sure the devs and everyone else know, I find it nessary to speak up.
So, I'll take the White Knight badge and wear it with pride.
Reading down this thread is like watching a slow motion train wreck. overall I dislike these change. in fact, the exchange rate of pearls to spec points just adds insult to injury. This is a sad and poor follow-up to the refreshingly successful delta recruit event. In the end, this change just means that I will be unlikely to return to the event after grinding for the ship.
I am going to say something on this who situation and I'll be done with it, plus I'll make a comment on this whole "White knight" situation as well.
First, the Pearl thing: I don't care about the decision to retire it. I don't think it's a bad thing either. I feel that this change was going to eventually happen, and since it is, it's only a good thing... I will say this: you people have ample time to get used to the change, so get used to it, because it's going to happen, whether you like it or not.
Sencond, the "White Knight" as well as other similar labeling of people: stop doing that. It defeats the purpose of your argument if you throw the labels around at people who are doing what they want to do. People have a right to defend a decision if they so desire. However, no one has a right to question another person's right to do what they want. Throwing the labels around is immature at best. If you don't like the decisions made by the developers, that's fine, it's well within your right to think that way. It's also well within the rights of the people who don't mind the changes that come and go for this game and for any other game.
Reading down this thread is like watching a slow motion train wreck. overall I dislike these change. in fact, the exchange rate of pearls to spec points just adds insult to injury. This is a sad and poor follow-up to the refreshingly successful delta recruit event. In the end, this change just means that I will be unlikely to return to the event after grinding for the ship.
Perhaps they felt like they needed to lower expectations after the refreshingly successful Delta Recruit event.
This is my Risian Corvette. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Yay! Especially Super Duper Yay! if this is really -every- event ship -ever-.
But even just winter/summer ship still yay
...
I doubt it will be every ship from every event ever (is that gramatically correct anyway?)
Too bad - if i would get account unlock on that event dyson destroyer i would propably go for the whole megapack of science destroyers - as of now i just got that event ship on 3 of my 16 toons so it is not economical....
Perhaps they felt like they needed to lower expectations after the refreshingly successful Delta Recruit event.
Perhaps Delta Recruits was TOO successful, too many people spending too much time playing, we exceeded the limits predicted by the metrics, so to return things to predicted norms, they needed to find a way to convince every one to play less...
Naughty players, spending too much time playing the game in the search for fun, we're not here to have fun, we're here to work our assigned shifts and nothing more, we should be grateful they allow us to have jobs as metrics providers, and stop asking for pay, let alone trying to have fun...
Metrics are king after all...
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Would it be so bad if they would just wait 1 year for this change?
1. Announce this will be the last Summer Event where you can use the pearls.
2. This will be the last Summer Event where you can get the old T5 Ships
3. You will be able to use the pearls on the old T5 ships in addition to the new currency
4. The new ship can only be gotten with the new currency
5. we have an exchange vendor for your remaining pearls you can use now
6. All ships you unlock in events will be account unlocks
7. The new event ships will not be part of console sets anymore
While i would like to see #2 not happen if thats your choice by all means.
But this would have been the way to do it.
Here i solved this problem and now implement this fix.
They want you to play, hence the move. They don't want a huge part of the player base getting the new shiny on day 1 and not coming back to play!
Hmm, don't know how everyone else do but I have pretty much burned myself out on the game every summer, and then ended up cursing the game until about Christmas when I get back on.
Can't say this will motivate me anyway to play the game more...... :rolleyes:
Trust me grinding is NOT anywhere near fun. It is actually on an entire different map.
The grinding on summer is pretty horrible.
A test server is supposed to be used to properly test patches before patching anything....
I am going to say something on this who situation and I'll be done with it, plus I'll make a comment on this whole "White knight" situation as well.
First, the Pearl thing: I don't care about the decision to retire it. I don't think it's a bad thing either. I feel that this change was going to eventually happen, and since it is, it's only a good thing... I will say this: you people have ample time to get used to the change, so get used to it, because it's going to happen, whether you like it or not.
Sencond, the "White Knight" as well as other similar labeling of people: stop doing that. It defeats the purpose of your argument if you throw the labels around at people who are doing what they want to do. People have a right to defend a decision if they so desire. However, no one has a right to question another person's right to do what they want. Throwing the labels around is immature at best. If you don't like the decisions made by the developers, that's fine, it's well within your right to think that way. It's also well within the rights of the people who don't mind the changes that come and go for this game and for any other game.
The Pearl thing is annoying, BUT the one Last MAJOR Problem is that the 2 Old Risa Ships (Corvette and Yacht) will be Retired, taking away the Chance of People who had the Neccesary Pearls or allmost have the Neccesary Ammount to get it this Time and Ultimately Locking out EVERY New Player from getting those, and why? Just because some People are so Sellfish that they say "No One else should have that Ship!" Changes Happen, and Most of us can and will Addept, but some Changes are Worse than other, and if a Developer no matter which one, is not Carefull with some Changes, it could happen that they Play their Game ALONE in the end.
If People Act like "White Knight" than they will be Called "White Knights" be it me or others, yes there are Different Oppinions, my Oppinion, his Oppinion your Oppinion, about some Changes, but if the Whole Purpose of a change is TAKING SOMETHING AWAY so that only the ones can have it /keep it who allready got it, even so it was Possible to get those Ship on all Events BEFORE, than iam Sorry but there is NOTHING to Defend here, only People who are SELLFISH would Defend such a change, Sellfish and "White Knights" who have to Defend whatever change Happens. So yes if someone is Defending something that is Unfair to a HUGE Part of the Community (Mostly Newcommer and People who had no Chance Yet to get those Ships) than he will be Titled with Names Like "White Knight" and Similar, Like it or NOT.
First thanks for the explanation salami but I do not agree with it we are the ones who play the game and decide what to do with our time. I think that getting all ships earned in a events a account unlock means less of a grind to me but leaves me wondering what do t with the autographs and excess rewards I think I may just get the ones I need and then that willl be that dailie done and thats only if I decide to bother with the summer event at all would not be the first time I haven't bothered with it.
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I didn't see anything on this.. but I decided to buy the LLAP emote and it says it's account bound but I can't find it in the tray list in space???....
They want you to play, hence the move. They don't want a huge part of the player base getting the new shiny on day 1 and not coming back to play!
On a general note, whether it be nerfing XP to try and keep people playing, or making sure you can't save up for next year's event, all these methods, to me, are a rather lousy, and largely artificial, way to go about inflating the numbers of 'playing people.' Kinda like a movie theater only unlocking the exit doors until the movie is done; best to just run an interesting flick to begin with: then people won't feel the urge to leave inbetween.
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To Reach the 95% Solution, or lets just say to make MOST People Happy or calm them down the Solution would be - and i said that Several Times now - DONT TAKE THE OLD SHIPS AWAY AT ALL, not NOW not on the Following Events, if they want they can Upgrade them to T6 until the Next Event, but Let People who want those Ships GRIND for them when its Event Time.
Seriously WHO, WHO here is asking for that Exclusivity Mambo Jambo Nonsense? I Have all the Event and Anniversary Ships so i could say YAY Account Wide Unlock for all my Chars all is fine now...but its NOT, because that would be SELLFISH, i dont give a TRIBBLE about this Exclusivity Trash Talk, i want it to be Fair for ALL Including New Players, if a Event (Summer / Winter what ever) is going on, New Players should have the same CHANCE to get those Ships like older Players had it before, i mean Lets be honest, is there ANYONE here who says "I was here First and i got the Ship, and NO ONE ELSE should get it after me!" Anyone? Someone? I dont think so?
So again @CRYPTIC NO ONE Wants that Exclusivity, we want the Game to be Fair for EVERYONE, we are NOT SELLFISH (at least most os us) so NO you guys are WRONG.
Locking out New Players who also would like to have those Ships = ANGRY PLAYER, Angry Player = Less Willing to Pay a CENT into the Game = BAD DEAL for you.
Do i really have to say more? Its not like i have not Repeated myself over and over again? Not Like over 100 Pages with people saying the Same INCLUDING my Brother who you guys BANNED for a Week from the Forum just because he said the Truth? Is it really to much asked for if we want EVERYONE to be handled Fair? Again i couldn't Care LESS Since i allready have ALL SHIPS, but i DO CARE, because ****IT IS NOT FAIR****for Newcommer****
So C'MON, you Fixed 50% of the ISSUE / Complaints, now Fix the REST and Everything is FINE:eek::eek::eek:
I have several characters sitting on 960 of both the summer and winter event currencies (cause 1000 takes up 2 inventory slots). It's not hard to do at all. I kinda like being able to convert my pearls into spec points, so I can finish the commando tree on a couple of my characters. I mostly didn't like losing the corvette and cruiser, but that's been addressed. (New players can't get them, but oh well.)
Now I'm worried that the summer ship will be a T6 corvette. I really wanted a science ship this year.
A number of players keep posting "until something is fixed I am not spending a dime, If you do not roll back the last expansion I am not spending a dime. This a pure money grab, I am not spending a dime, etc, etc, etc."
Development armchairing and theating not to spend money on the game is so prominent on these forums and in the game that I believe is not even on the radar for the Devs.
"TRIBBLE said this on the forums, we must change it now!!!" Said no Dev ever.
The Devs made a change they decided was the best course of action, a large number of people spoke up, and I do believe that some of the discussion had merit, and the Devs changed their plans in response. But nooo, you all want more free stuff with no effort. If Real Life keeps getting in the way of your ability to play the game, and you have the time to complain about it on the forums, don't you think your priorities are seriously messed up?
https://youtu.be/iYCjqmbsmYA?t=1m45s
Fleet Defiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support | Fleet Manticore Kinetic Strike Ship | Tactical Command Kinetic Siege Refit | Fleet Defiant Quantum Phase Escort | Fleet Valiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support
Turning the Galaxy-X into a Torpedo Dreadnought & torpedo tutorial, with written torpedo guide.
"A good weapon and a great strategy will win you many battles." - Marshall
I knew using Kinetics would be playing the game on hard mode, but what I didn't realize was how bad the deck is stacked against Kinetics.
There is a huge difference between the players who stopped spending money on this game and ask for bug fixes vs the people who threatened to stop spending money because exploit ABC that benefited them was removed.
Speaking for myself here, Cryptic can look at my expenditures and compare them to the times I've posted on the forums. I'll go one step further. I grant Cryptic/PWE permission to post my expenditures on this game, both the date, time, and amount in USD purchased, so long as it is:
a) Only in this thread
b) If they also include a timeline of my forum activity as well.
I voted with my wallet before I voted with my virtual mouth.
I like this game. There's tons of potential for both challenges and entertainment. I have, and will continue to applaud Crytpic as a whole when they do something good, and critique them when they do something bad. I can then decide if I want to hope and wait that some sort of improvement will be made (or a roadmap provided), or decide to move on to other sources of challenging entertainment.
To those that will get your ships, congratulations. I applaud Cryptic for reviewing this quickly and coming to a decision that will be fair to both the players that have earned access to the ship(s), as well as address the internal issues that Cryptic has to face. I hope that the lessons learned here will be applied to any future endeavours.
Fleet Defiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support | Fleet Manticore Kinetic Strike Ship | Tactical Command Kinetic Siege Refit | Fleet Defiant Quantum Phase Escort | Fleet Valiant Kinetic Heavy Fire Support
Turning the Galaxy-X into a Torpedo Dreadnought & torpedo tutorial, with written torpedo guide.
"A good weapon and a great strategy will win you many battles." - Marshall
I knew using Kinetics would be playing the game on hard mode, but what I didn't realize was how bad the deck is stacked against Kinetics.
No. I don't ask for freebies. I never will. I always spend some effort on reaching what I want.
But I don't like lies, I don't like being fooled, I don't like being punished for using a game feature that was intended to work that way. To be honest, I hate it, when somebody is doing that to me.
I respond in kind, I respond the way I can respond to it. I did spend some money on Cryptic games in the past. I won't do that again. You made me distrust you and thus I'm not giving money anymore. It's my strongest argument and I use it. So now you have to live with it.
It's no threat. It's a decision! You lie, trick or punish me and I quit spending money. It's just that easy.
As to less people on Events map - Maybe if they were not so bugged :mad:
- then maybe there would be more people socialising and not just
grab ship with least work possible....
Before you Open your Mouth, Switch on Your Brain, Read my ENTIRE Post, Understand what i said and THAN Give an Answer if you have to :rolleyes:
I Allready have ALL those Ships - like i said in my Post BEFORE - so I Could Just say ALL IS FINE for me and i dont Care for the New Player who will NOT be able to get those old Ships, but since i and Fortunately MOST other Players are also NOT so Sellfish, i DO Care, you dont care? YOUR PROBLEM. And as you can see, after the OVERHELMING Negative Feedback in this Thread they DID Listen and they DID Change their Mind to a Certain Degree, and Changed things into a better Direction, BUT we still have the Problem that Newcommer are Locked out from getting the chance to Grind for the Old Ships - YES GRIND FOR THEM, not with a SINGLE Word did i say give it to them for FREE, so no NO ONE is Asking for MORE Free Stuff, People are Asking them to KEEP what is allready in and NOT Remove it, and if you have read the Thread from the Begining and i highly doubt that you did, you will see that the MAJORITY of People are saying the Same - so again, before you Play the Einstein, READ First ANSWER Afterwards, or DONT answer at all. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
Why is Management still planning to KILL anything that is FUN in this game...XP leveling, SPECs, Dilithium bonus reduction and all of that since DR launched last October alone. What is the new business plan since DR? To quench any single morsel of FUN from this MMO. I know nobody is putting a gun on me to play. However, this NOT the way customers should be treated. Time after time the so called "exploits" were not made by your customers but by DEVs making this game as a swiss cheese full of holes. Don't BLAME the playerbase for being smarter than how the DEVs structured the game. At least, meet halfway and some warning would have been great. Not just...here you have a few days to convert. The whole summer event 2015 should have been a conversion event allowing players to adjust to the new system.
I guess METRICS is behind all of these continuing changes at the expense of alienating playerbase. Some will get pissed and leave and PWE hopes some more would come back or start playing. How many times can this be the new business plan since DR launched? Metrics are NOT everything and eventually the playerbase will have enough with the chipping away the little dignity of playing this MMO.
So now that the Salami Swami has weighed in, I'll go ahead and put in my thoughts as well.
Thank you for that awesome post. Love it. Thank you for making these event ships account wide. That's far beyond any expectation I ever had for these ships. Super awesome.
That said, I still have a few concerns about some of the points you made and would like to address those.
First, exclusivity.
My opinion is that time limited exclusive ships are bad. I can understand wanting to create a drive for people to acquire these ships and create a sort of reward/status for your vet players who were around for that event, but I think you're going about it the wrong way.
You see it's possible to reward your vets without snubbing your newer players. What you're about to do by making these ships and any future ships exclusive is simply creating animosity between the haves and the have-nots. This is aggravated even further by removing in progress projects for those who have to miss some of the event due to real life. So now not only are you snubbing your new players who come to the game after the event, you're snubbing your vets who have real life happen. I don't see how you can possibly think this is even a remotely good idea.
Second, set pieces on event ships.
I'm going to use the Samsar here as the prime example. It's awesome that you're going to let us claim it account wide since it comes with set pieces that cannot be obtained anywhere else. That, however, is the problem. This is now tied into the exclusivity point above. If you're really going to go through with the bad idea of exclusive ships, then you ABSOLUTELY CANNOT be having set pieces come on limited time ships anymore. EVER AGAIN. At all. Period.
The reason is that you created an item that is necessary to complete a set but then made it unobtainable by any new players coming in.
New Player: "Hey I just bought these sweet new Command Ships. I love them! How do I get the console to finish the set?"
Vet Player: "Oh you can't. It was on a limited time exclusive ship and you can never, ever get it again. You will forever have to have an incomplete set."
New Player:
Can you see the problem here if you're really going to go through with this? This is just not how you create a healthy and happy community. This is how you TRIBBLE people off. Especially when money is now involved with people buying a shiny new ship pack that has a set they can never, ever complete. I did note that you did not do this with the new Pilot ships. So good choice on that. I hope you continue to make all new ship sets just like that. I just felt that I needed to reiterate this point due to what a bad idea putting set pieces on time limited exclusive ships is.
In the end, I feel that you (Cryptic) still miss the entire point of what events are supposed to be. Events are supposed to be a fun, relaxing break from normal gameplay. Most MMOs out there get this and do it quite well. Instead, you have managed to turn your events into the exact opposite. You use your events as a substitute for normal gameplay to pad your metrics as evidenced by your post. I'm sure that other MMO companies have metrics involved in their event planning, but I don't feel that they go to the absurd extent that you (Cryptic) do. Except for maybe TERA. I'm playing their new anniversary event and it's far and away worse than any event I've ever played. So there's that I guess.
Anyway, I'll thank you again for posting that up to let us know your thought process and for making event ships account wide. But I feel that you guys still have a long way to go to make your seasonal events fun and relaxing.
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Thank you for proving my point, as you did not find a response worth mentioning, you resorted to personal attacks. Let me clarify and respond to your whole thread earlier, as I was not, I was using a portion of your post to prove my point. Items are removed from games all the time, someone that decides to join the game now, rather than join in beta, should not expect to be handed everything (or be able to attain) that was available in beta. ( Or any other special event)
As you are pushing for everything to be fair and balanced in the game, are you not pushing for the time and money people have already spent in game to be reduced in importance to satisify a group of players who have not spent the same time and money into the game? Will it not destroy the advantage the long term players have?
I Really want to know who started with the Attacking First :rolleyes:
Anyway i will Not even Waste my Time Answering you more than those Few Sentences, me and several Others Answered you and told you that you are WRONG, and 95% of all the People here in the Thread are also saying the OPPOSITE of what you say, in other Words, you are one of those "White Knights" Jumping in the Thread on their High Horses and Defending what ever there is that they can Defend, a SELLFISH Knight that is
My point is again proven on "fix this or I will not spend another dime" threat:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1459921
I do not have an issue if people wish not to spend money on the game, those who feel they need to announce it and make sure the devs and everyone else know, I find it nessary to speak up.
So, I'll take the White Knight badge and wear it with pride.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
First, the Pearl thing: I don't care about the decision to retire it. I don't think it's a bad thing either. I feel that this change was going to eventually happen, and since it is, it's only a good thing... I will say this: you people have ample time to get used to the change, so get used to it, because it's going to happen, whether you like it or not.
Sencond, the "White Knight" as well as other similar labeling of people: stop doing that. It defeats the purpose of your argument if you throw the labels around at people who are doing what they want to do. People have a right to defend a decision if they so desire. However, no one has a right to question another person's right to do what they want. Throwing the labels around is immature at best. If you don't like the decisions made by the developers, that's fine, it's well within your right to think that way. It's also well within the rights of the people who don't mind the changes that come and go for this game and for any other game.
I assume this extends to Event Ships such as the Obelisk and Solanae Sci Destroyer?
RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
Perhaps they felt like they needed to lower expectations after the refreshingly successful Delta Recruit event.
I doubt it will be every ship from every event ever
Too bad - if i would get account unlock on that event dyson destroyer i would propably go for the whole megapack of science destroyers - as of now i just got that event ship on 3 of my 16 toons so it is not economical....
Perhaps Delta Recruits was TOO successful, too many people spending too much time playing, we exceeded the limits predicted by the metrics, so to return things to predicted norms, they needed to find a way to convince every one to play less...
Naughty players, spending too much time playing the game in the search for fun, we're not here to have fun, we're here to work our assigned shifts and nothing more, we should be grateful they allow us to have jobs as metrics providers, and stop asking for pay, let alone trying to have fun...
Metrics are king after all...
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1. Announce this will be the last Summer Event where you can use the pearls.
2. This will be the last Summer Event where you can get the old T5 Ships
3. You will be able to use the pearls on the old T5 ships in addition to the new currency
4. The new ship can only be gotten with the new currency
5. we have an exchange vendor for your remaining pearls you can use now
6. All ships you unlock in events will be account unlocks
7. The new event ships will not be part of console sets anymore
While i would like to see #2 not happen if thats your choice by all means.
But this would have been the way to do it.
Here i solved this problem and now implement this fix.
Hmm, don't know how everyone else do but I have pretty much burned myself out on the game every summer, and then ended up cursing the game until about Christmas when I get back on.
Can't say this will motivate me anyway to play the game more...... :rolleyes:
Trust me grinding is NOT anywhere near fun. It is actually on an entire different map.
The grinding on summer is pretty horrible.
A test server is supposed to be used to properly test patches before patching anything....
The Pearl thing is annoying, BUT the one Last MAJOR Problem is that the 2 Old Risa Ships (Corvette and Yacht) will be Retired, taking away the Chance of People who had the Neccesary Pearls or allmost have the Neccesary Ammount to get it this Time and Ultimately Locking out EVERY New Player from getting those, and why? Just because some People are so Sellfish that they say "No One else should have that Ship!" Changes Happen, and Most of us can and will Addept, but some Changes are Worse than other, and if a Developer no matter which one, is not Carefull with some Changes, it could happen that they Play their Game ALONE in the end.
If People Act like "White Knight" than they will be Called "White Knights" be it me or others, yes there are Different Oppinions, my Oppinion, his Oppinion your Oppinion, about some Changes, but if the Whole Purpose of a change is TAKING SOMETHING AWAY so that only the ones can have it /keep it who allready got it, even so it was Possible to get those Ship on all Events BEFORE, than iam Sorry but there is NOTHING to Defend here, only People who are SELLFISH would Defend such a change, Sellfish and "White Knights" who have to Defend whatever change Happens. So yes if someone is Defending something that is Unfair to a HUGE Part of the Community (Mostly Newcommer and People who had no Chance Yet to get those Ships) than he will be Titled with Names Like "White Knight" and Similar, Like it or NOT.
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
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Anyone else having this problem?
TY in advance.
On a general note, whether it be nerfing XP to try and keep people playing, or making sure you can't save up for next year's event, all these methods, to me, are a rather lousy, and largely artificial, way to go about inflating the numbers of 'playing people.' Kinda like a movie theater only unlocking the exit doors until the movie is done; best to just run an interesting flick to begin with: then people won't feel the urge to leave inbetween.
Just sayin'.