Our new pilot ships are as ambitious as they are unique. Our latest developer blog showcases the process of visually designing our new Pilot Ships, complete with delicious high res concept art.
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Why! WHY!! That first(upper left) KDF concept silhouette! That's how Negh'Tev should have looked! And that center FED design looks epic too. It's a shame they didn't make it to modelling phase. I'll be honest with the romulan designs though, I don't like them too much.(just my opinion)
Ugh...those pics remind me why I hate concept art. The final product never has quite the same quality or polish to it that the concept art does...
Perhaps maybe less kitbashing needs to be catered to, instead spend 3 times the work on the one model. The concept Mercury vs Ingame Mercury is insane; one is a hypersleek speed machine with semi-internalized bussard collector, the other is bloated with red glowy patches on the hull...
The concepts for the Romulan Pilot vessels are just another example for the Romulan Material 4 not being fit for use in game...I've yet to see a ship or kitbash that looks good in Type 4, it suffers from the MACO plastic toy effect, no depth to the color
Really like some of the concept art designs. I'm inclined to agree that I like the upper-left Klingon sketch better than what came out, but these things are really subjective.
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I still say the Klingon Raptors look like a 1950's version of what an alien ship was thought to be. Spiky points that make no logical sense and fins that would look right at home on a 1950's Cadillac.
The Romulan ships, look more like Xindi insectoids than the graceful lines of "Warbirds".
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Why! WHY!! That first(upper left) KDF concept silhouette! That's how Negh'Tev should have looked! And that center FED design looks epic too. It's a shame they didn't make it to modelling phase. I'll be honest with the romulan designs though, I don't like them too much.(just my opinion)
Hmm, now that you point it out that is pretty sweet.
I gotta say the Devs should be reminded that Klingons don't hate round shapes, that upper left is gorgeous.
Ugh...those pics remind me why I hate concept art. The final product never has quite the same quality or polish to it that the concept art does...
Perhaps maybe less kitbashing needs to be catered to, instead spend 3 times the work on the one model. The concept Mercury vs Ingame Mercury is insane; one is a hypersleek speed machine with semi-internalized bussard collector, the other is bloated with red glowy patches on the hull...
The concepts for the Romulan Pilot vessels are just another example for the Romulan Material 4 not being fit for use in game...I've yet to see a ship or kitbash that looks good in Type 4, it suffers from the MACO plastic toy effect, no depth to the color
Have to admit the Concept Mercury looks sharp and flat, blade like. Fits in well with canon starship design. Beautiful. The in game model is a bit too round. We lost the sleekness in the transition to 3D model.
But man, you guys must think doing Romulan ships are easy, cause you make it look easy. The work you did with that discarded Scimitar model is very impressive. Much easier too since you don't have to worry about deploying Thalaron emitters like the Nemesis team did.
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to clarify, we liked elements of the the SR-71 and elements of forward swpt winged planes, like the SU-47
As much as I find the visual appearance of the Pilot ships to be ~meh, I still bought them because performance wise, they rock. I just wish a llittle more thought and a little less 'inspiration' had gone into their visual appearance.
For a example, 2 small changes would have made the Tac Rom Warbird visually perfect in my opinion:
1) Remove the piece of the wing at the rear of the leg forming a hollow area. (You now have a slender, bird like 'wing')
2) Decrease the angle of the outer wings from whatever it is, to about half or 1/3 of the angle. (You now have a properly 'spread' wing that LOOKS like it's on a 'Bird of Prey' instead of like legs on a catamaran.)
And that's just the Romulan Tac ship. Similar thigns could have been done with all the Rom ships. Less spiky protrudy points that have no function and serve no purpose other than looks.
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Okhala Class has the appearence of a shellfish, I think it would look a bit better if the wings came up rather than just have them come out from the sides and the Mercury Class looks like a brick with wings, personally I would have liked to seen it rounded off. However the Kingon raptors are looking fierce, that is some excellent work there and they're far better looking than the Klingon command ships.
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I'm surprised that it wasn't mentioned the Risian Corvette was an inspiration for the Mercury-class. Is this just a coincidence?
While there are similar elements, overall they do appear as distinct designs to me. Hmmm... though if you take a Defiant and a Corvette, overlap them, and add little wings... yeah, I can kind of see it.
It could be a coincidence. The same designer could have worked on both, and based on personal style they came up with certain similarities.
It could be random chance entirely, art being in large part what the observer sees as much as what the artist initially intended.
It could be a conscious decision not to mention the it in light of the shipstorm over...
Can I slot a new project for a Risian Corvette or Risian Luxury Cruiser?
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...recent changes to the Risian Corvette's availability (as compared to the prior 3 Winter Events and 2 Summer Events allowing access to prior offerings and adding console set bonuses). Unless we're getting a T6 Risian Corvette and T6 Risian Luxury Cruiser rather than a truly "new" ship this year, which is also a possibility... probably something they should have mentioned, if so.
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I would do the grind and get them but being that 6-12 months from now they will be obsolete I've passed on these pilot ships. Only reason I got the negh'var one is because I'd been waiting around 3 years for that ship since it was originally stated to be worked on lol.
" We liked the SR-71 Blackbird and the design elements of the forward swept wings on that plane."
Ummm NO the Sled (SR-71) did not have forward swept wings! I met Kelly Johnson once and worked on items for the JT-11D aka J-58 near the end of the Sleds service life while employed at Pratt & Whitney.
For once Cryptic didn't actually drop the ball with these ships. The design & aesthetics are uniform, with strong starfleet design patterns present & they sourced inspiration, so well done. If it weren't for the ridiculous price I would've bought them (seriously Cryptic I bought a model Dauntless which actually looks awesome for NZD $20 and it was cheaper than your dauntless!)
So, good job on design this time. Tbh, I wished you lot designed good looking ships all the time...
To those complaining about kitbashing:
Get into perspective, reusing familiar designs in ships is more realistic than making each and every ship look completely different. If aviation didn't exist in reality except for in a computer game you lot would be having a massive tantrum. Tantrums are for 4 year olds so some growing up & smart thinking might be in order...
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ROM Ships are not that great work: I mean, ok, beautiful or not is way too personal, but they lack of mass.
They're just as flat as paper sheets.
I think you should add a pair of bigger nacellas like KDF BOPs have and a pair of HUGE Impulse engines (like the Ha'Feh Warbird - Haakona parts - have).
Talking about the Ha'Feh Warbird (Haakona Parts): THAT is a masterpiece, I'd want more ships like it.
I'm not sure whats worse. When the Community would not shut-up about adding in the Vesta(which everyone just had to have but never used) or now, adding in a T6 Defiant. It does not matter what the topic of a post is about, eventually you'll see a "T6 Defiant nao pls?" in there somewhere.
hate the art of the romulan ships, they are very ugly and do not feel streamlined or gracful like most romulan ships
All the criticism makes me wonder why they don't come up with various concept art models and post them in the forums for a poll before making a final design. Of course, that would only likely please a greater number of players.
Love the designs. So new, so unique, but still fitting in the Star Trek universe. I'm always looking forward to these blogs, they might even prove useful to my own artistic skills.
There is just one thing that annoys me: There are so many people who like a lot of the concept-ships that never made it in game.
What if those designs were available as extra versions of the same ship. Like how, when one buys the long range science vessel, the Intrepid class, Cochrane class and the Discovery class will automatically be available to create your own, personal and unique vessel.
It would take some more time to make, but there would be a lot more diversity among the ships, you would get 3 extra ships instead of just one when you were to buy the Sci/Tac/Eng variant of your Pilot ship (whichever ones you haven't gotten yet), and the overall happiness among the players will most certainly be higher.
Great art blog, as usual. Love the concept art. I have to agree that a lot of them look better than the ones we got, especially that bottom-right KDF one.
As for the ships we actually got:
I have to agree that the Romulan pilot ships don't look warbird-y enough. They're too... angular? I guess? Almost like they were meant to be intel ships.
The Fed pilot ships... I dunno. They're growing on me. They look good, but I still feel like they look too much like weird concept airplanes and not enough like Federation starships. Then again, I didn't like the Defiant design when I first saw it, either, so maybe I just need to give these time.
The KDF ones look completely awesome. I want them just for the looks. Everything about them screams badass. Must... dil-grind... faster...
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The Romulan and the KDF looks really great and tempted to buy :cool:
Um...the SR-71 doesn't have forward-swept wings. See for yourself.
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Perhaps maybe less kitbashing needs to be catered to, instead spend 3 times the work on the one model. The concept Mercury vs Ingame Mercury is insane; one is a hypersleek speed machine with semi-internalized bussard collector, the other is bloated with red glowy patches on the hull...
And for the Klingon concept art (this one: http://images-cdn.perfectworld.com/arc/86/8f/868f1418490a2773bbeb9a728a888bf31431625529.png) the vessel in the upper left screams Klingon Science Vessel to me for some reason...
The concepts for the Romulan Pilot vessels are just another example for the Romulan Material 4 not being fit for use in game...I've yet to see a ship or kitbash that looks good in Type 4, it suffers from the MACO plastic toy effect, no depth to the color
Really like some of the concept art designs. I'm inclined to agree that I like the upper-left Klingon sketch better than what came out, but these things are really subjective.
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T6 Defiant?
whover does make the design decisions or endresult art design: kick him.
the concepts (esp the federation ones) look 100times better than the endresults, though im pretty pleased with the fed engineering variant.
the concepts are so well proportioned, that i really wonder why the endresult is so ... kitbashy.
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i dont know what happens between concept and endresult, but there's a mad goblin in between somewhere.
The Romulan ships, look more like Xindi insectoids than the graceful lines of "Warbirds".
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to clarify, we liked elements of the the SR-71 and elements of forward swpt winged planes, like the SU-47
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Swalldev, the sentence says, "inspired by the SR-71 and the forward swept wings on that plane." That's pretty clear.
TO THE EDIT BUTTON! He says that, but I was gonna say they've been watching too many X-Men movies.
Admittedly the Blackbird in the X-men movies was absolutely gorgeous. It was brilliantly done.
But the actual SR-71 is the ultimate hybrid delta wing. Excuse me while I drool. Hmm, now that you point it out that is pretty sweet.
I gotta say the Devs should be reminded that Klingons don't hate round shapes, that upper left is gorgeous.
Have to admit the Concept Mercury looks sharp and flat, blade like. Fits in well with canon starship design. Beautiful. The in game model is a bit too round. We lost the sleekness in the transition to 3D model.
But man, you guys must think doing Romulan ships are easy, cause you make it look easy. The work you did with that discarded Scimitar model is very impressive. Much easier too since you don't have to worry about deploying Thalaron emitters like the Nemesis team did.
As much as I find the visual appearance of the Pilot ships to be ~meh, I still bought them because performance wise, they rock. I just wish a llittle more thought and a little less 'inspiration' had gone into their visual appearance.
For a example, 2 small changes would have made the Tac Rom Warbird visually perfect in my opinion:
1) Remove the piece of the wing at the rear of the leg forming a hollow area. (You now have a slender, bird like 'wing')
2) Decrease the angle of the outer wings from whatever it is, to about half or 1/3 of the angle. (You now have a properly 'spread' wing that LOOKS like it's on a 'Bird of Prey' instead of like legs on a catamaran.)
And that's just the Romulan Tac ship. Similar thigns could have been done with all the Rom ships. Less spiky protrudy points that have no function and serve no purpose other than looks.
"There... are... four... lights!" ~Jean Luc Picard
While there are similar elements, overall they do appear as distinct designs to me. Hmmm... though if you take a Defiant and a Corvette, overlap them, and add little wings... yeah, I can kind of see it.
It could be a coincidence. The same designer could have worked on both, and based on personal style they came up with certain similarities.
It could be random chance entirely, art being in large part what the observer sees as much as what the artist initially intended.
It could be a conscious decision not to mention the it in light of the shipstorm over... ...recent changes to the Risian Corvette's availability (as compared to the prior 3 Winter Events and 2 Summer Events allowing access to prior offerings and adding console set bonuses). Unless we're getting a T6 Risian Corvette and T6 Risian Luxury Cruiser rather than a truly "new" ship this year, which is also a possibility... probably something they should have mentioned, if so.
Who knows?
Ummm NO the Sled (SR-71) did not have forward swept wings! I met Kelly Johnson once and worked on items for the JT-11D aka J-58 near the end of the Sleds service life while employed at Pratt & Whitney.
So, good job on design this time. Tbh, I wished you lot designed good looking ships all the time...
To those complaining about kitbashing:
Get into perspective, reusing familiar designs in ships is more realistic than making each and every ship look completely different. If aviation didn't exist in reality except for in a computer game you lot would be having a massive tantrum. Tantrums are for 4 year olds so some growing up & smart thinking might be in order...
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ROM Ships are not that great work: I mean, ok, beautiful or not is way too personal, but they lack of mass.
They're just as flat as paper sheets.
I think you should add a pair of bigger nacellas like KDF BOPs have and a pair of HUGE Impulse engines (like the Ha'Feh Warbird - Haakona parts - have).
Talking about the Ha'Feh Warbird (Haakona Parts): THAT is a masterpiece, I'd want more ships like it.
http://images-cdn.perfectworld.com/arc/8b/a1/8ba17d6a3c3966b72f2451fafc213e7f1431625561.png
I'm not sure whats worse. When the Community would not shut-up about adding in the Vesta(which everyone just had to have but never used) or now, adding in a T6 Defiant. It does not matter what the topic of a post is about, eventually you'll see a "T6 Defiant nao pls?" in there somewhere.
Cryptic, please add the damn thing.
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There is just one thing that annoys me: There are so many people who like a lot of the concept-ships that never made it in game.
What if those designs were available as extra versions of the same ship. Like how, when one buys the long range science vessel, the Intrepid class, Cochrane class and the Discovery class will automatically be available to create your own, personal and unique vessel.
It would take some more time to make, but there would be a lot more diversity among the ships, you would get 3 extra ships instead of just one when you were to buy the Sci/Tac/Eng variant of your Pilot ship (whichever ones you haven't gotten yet), and the overall happiness among the players will most certainly be higher.
And isn't that what is truly important?
As for the ships we actually got:
I have to agree that the Romulan pilot ships don't look warbird-y enough. They're too... angular? I guess? Almost like they were meant to be intel ships.
The Fed pilot ships... I dunno. They're growing on me. They look good, but I still feel like they look too much like weird concept airplanes and not enough like Federation starships. Then again, I didn't like the Defiant design when I first saw it, either, so maybe I just need to give these time.
The KDF ones look completely awesome. I want them just for the looks. Everything about them screams badass. Must... dil-grind... faster...