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Last summer, before DR hit, there was a lot of concern that the price of zen had reached an obnoxious level, 161 dil to the zen. Now, with summer before us, it has climbed up and up, holding at 245 dil to the zen today.
Is the rising price of zen a good thing? If not, there are two ways cryptic could help to bring the rate down.
One is to introduce large new dil sinks, such as a new fleet holding, or selling spec points for dilithium.
The other is to reduce dil rewards in the game, or reduce the amount of dil that can be refined.
These ideas were proposed back then, but didn't receive much support. Now that the situation has gotten so much worse since nothing was done, I wonder whether attitudes are changing.
I feel that large new dil sinks are the best solution. I think the best new dil sink would be selling spec points for dil, perhaps 100k dil per spec point.
However, I would also support lowering the dil refining cap to 6k per toon from the current 8k.
Is the rising price of zen a good thing? If not, there are two ways cryptic could help to bring the rate down.
One is to introduce large new dil sinks, such as a new fleet holding, or selling spec points for dilithium.
The other is to reduce dil rewards in the game, or reduce the amount of dil that can be refined.
These ideas were proposed back then, but didn't receive much support. Now that the situation has gotten so much worse since nothing was done, I wonder whether attitudes are changing.
I feel that large new dil sinks are the best solution. I think the best new dil sink would be selling spec points for dil, perhaps 100k dil per spec point.
However, I would also support lowering the dil refining cap to 6k per toon from the current 8k.
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Trust me. I know the patters on the Exchange. As I'm F2P its really the only way I can get C-Store stuff.
I ain't grinding out a Negh'Tev or any of the pilot ships at 245/1.
Hopefully in time it will drop back down to about baseline 150/1. But not anytime soon with the new Pilot ships out and all the extra DL in the wild.
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I will now spend my Dil on upgrades. Which was much needed. Thanks to the Dil Exchange, my upgrades was made possible.
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And that's what everyone will do. The price is only going up because people keep buying.
Cryptic has no reason to want to 'fix' this, it's in their best interest for Zen to be hard to acquire by using Dilithium because it makes players more likely to just say 'TRIBBLE that' and buy it with cash.
This game needs a 'large dilithum sink' like it needs more lag. That's absolutely ridiculous and you need to stop making this ridiculous argument. The game has more then enough Dilithium Sinks already, supply and demand are what will regulate the market.
If the price is too high, don't buy. Once enough people do the same thing, the price falls. Making the same thread over and over with the same ridiculous suggestion however, solves nothing.
Also, to the OP, 8.5k a day is fine, now that everyone has 4 characters, everyone got a 25% increase in dil refinement.
I would be all for spec point reset costing dil and then tier it so it increases each time you do it. I would also be game for spec points being purchased for dil but 100k per is too much. Drop it to 25-30k and I think you have a good model.
We just had a dilithium weekend mining event etc. Then we got extra dil this week. On top of that there is a new ship pack out. So everyone and their mom is unloading their dil for zen.
Give it a week or two and it will drop back.
Oh yeah on top of that there is a ship sale. Its just timing man!
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Um, in the 'old days' (post Dil intro to the game and pre DR) - Dil was pretty solid at 350 per Zen for a LONG time. Welcome to supply and demand. Whenever they release new C-Store ships/have a sale, you're going to see a spike as people start wan ting to convert Dil to Zen.
But, again, if you think 245 is high/outrageous; you haven't been playing STO that long.
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You've got dilithium sellers and zen sellers. Dilithium sellers can't or won't spend real cash for in-game items, at least not in significant amounts. As the dilithium cost for zen goes up, they respond by buying less zen on the exchange - sometimes even feeling more and more locked out by "high costs." They don't generally switch to real money, and may simply leave the game.
Zen sellers have decided to spend real money to acquire what they want in game - in this case dilithium. As the dilithium cost for zen goes down, they respond by buying more zen to place on the exchange. They may get frustrated that they're not getting as much value for their real world currency, but they are more likely to compensate by increasing spending.
Again - purely speculation based on what I've observed from the players I've interacted with, but if it is true would suggest that keeping the dilithium cost of zen as low as possible is best for company profits. The question is whether there's a floor at which even the most dedicated zen sellers quit.
|I nearly bought 5000 Zen as it would now convert to over a Million Dilithium, which I could really use.
But then I checked the price of Elite Dangerous and decided to buy that game instead
Maybe if it goes back up to 400+ per Zen I will purchase, but there are far too many good games coming out at the moment that I will probably spend my entertainment budget on.
(Except if there is a T6 Carrier bundle)
Di-lithium is worth more to me than Zen, any day of the week.
People need Gas, the oil industry knows they can't go without it very long.
Players do not need Zen or Dilithium. Players can get by without either and if that's not acceptable they can play another game.
Comparing a commodity that people deem a necessity with a commodity that's frivolously used for entertainment purposes is quite a flaw in logic.
People not buying Gas won't cause the price to drop, people not buying Zen with Dilithium will cause the price to drop. It's happened a hundred times before it will happen again.
It's not like this is the first time that the price has ever shot up like this.
I believe it's in the proper range so no need to go full fire retardant.
You will need at least 4 toons to refine enough Dil for a key.
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And those who think it's gonna stay @ 245 are kidding themselves as well .
Just wait for them "Iconic" escort / Pilot combos .
... this is what happens when Cryptic not only holds the two sides of the string that the coin dangles in be them , but they also control when that coin becomes all shiny and desired . Which is why I always get a good laugh when someone says that the Exchange is a "player driven" entity ...
That was my exact point. Which is why your comparison to the price of gas was inaccurate.
No one needs this stuff, if it's too expensive for them, they won't buy it.
If people don't buy, sellers lower the price.
The most basic of all economic philosophies.
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Aren't your threads on this matter always closed eventually? One would think you got the hint.
Pretty much spot on, however everyone can profit off of this rise in ratio, I know I do.
Those who sell zen, are in a good position of making a bunch of dilithium, while those who are buying that zen with dilithium, are having to fork over more but, there is a strategy like all markets that works.
Both can flip there monies, to make even more, simply working it like any market, by buying low and selling high.
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People need bread, a big change in price produces a small change in demand.
People do not NEED cream cakes, a small change in price causes a large change in demand.
Both sides in the Dil-Ex are 'cream cake".
Supply and Demand is a red herring, it's down to Speculators, often very large ones, like the guy who used 150,000 zen a couple of nights ago to force the price to 250, in the space of a couple of hours.
You want stability, set a FIXED exchange rate, no speculators, no goldsellers making zen for resale at prices undercutting cryptic, we get stability, cryptic nerfs the gold sellers.
No more worry for the Pay-2-Win that the rate will drop too low.
No more worry for the Free-2-Play that the rate goes too high.
Everyone is happy...
Except probably, Druk.
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