A. I can see your opinion, but don't see were you get SW. Might need to re-read it.
B. I may have rose-coloured lenses on the sequels, but... okay.
C. You know my opinion.
Me and some friends sat down and watched the movie and compared the various characters to characters from SW and LotR. some, especially the Lich guy, don't have direct analogues, but almost all of them have some sort of counterpart. then one of my friends read a review (I forget whether it was the book or the movie) where the review could be easily summed up as "It's well written but highly derivative."
I didn't care that Korra was an Inuit analogue and bi, I just cared that she had girl problems, jerk problems, and kicked a lot of butt.
Same way as I'm not fourth in-line to the throne of a racist fantasy culture on a windswept ball of rock on the TRIBBLE$ end of space, but I can still identify with Renarin Kholin.
Same way as I'm not a Native American-analogue with telekinetic control over gases, and I still like and identify with Aang.
And so are a LOT of other people.
Why do you think Brandon Sanderson sells so well? Why do you think Legend of Korra and Avatar: The Last Airbender were so popular??
Don't get me wrong, I prefer diversity in my protagonists, but executives love formulas for their company's novels, movies, and music. Which is why cliches are unfortunately so popular.
Don't get me wrong, I prefer diversity in my protagonists, but executives love formulas for their company's novels, movies, and music. Which is why cliches are unfortunately so popular.
Don't get me wrong, I prefer diversity in my protagonists, but executives love formulas for their company's novels, movies, and music. Which is why cliches are unfortunately so popular.
The way the studio exec sees it is that if you are a fan of the source material then chances are you are going to go and see the movie i.e. a dead cert for a bum on seat.
The reason they use the SWM a lot is because it is about as much a blank slate they can get - I'm not saying it's right either, but there is a reason - and what they are hoping to catch is the type of audience that goes to the cinema on a whim, and by having a main protagonist that is already seen to have baggage means they are potentially turning that audience away before they have even stepped into the cinema or brought a ticket.
Conversely if you do have a non standard SWM and then don't make use of it, then there was no point in them being there anyway and you have a TRIBBLE film that people won't go to see either!
At the end of the day it comes down to the people who sign the checks getting the most bang for their buck, and the most bums on seats.
I didn't care that Korra was an Inuit analogue and bi, I just cared that she had girl problems, jerk problems, and kicked a lot of butt.
Same way as I'm not fourth in-line to the throne of a racist fantasy culture on a windswept ball of rock on the TRIBBLE$ end of space, but I can still identify with Renarin Kholin.
Same way as I'm not a Native American-analogue with telekinetic control over gases, and I still like and identify with Aang.
And so are a LOT of other people.
Why do you think Brandon Sanderson sells so well? Why do you think Legend of Korra and Avatar: The Last Airbender were so popular??
I can see Inuit for the water tribes totally but... Native American for Aang? Just because his race was annihilated like the Native American tribes doesn't mean you can ignore the obvious Buddhist culture there. I would say the better correlation would be the persecuted Tibetan monks in... Well Tibet.
I can see Inuit for the water tribes totally but... Native American for Aang? Just because his race was annihilated like the Native American tribes doesn't mean you can ignore the obvious Buddhist culture there. I would say the better correlation would be the persecuted Tibetan monks in... Well Tibet.
True, and there is the factor of two prominent airbenders being named Tenzin and Gyatso, but the Air Nation culture was very much nomadic and dependent on sky bison...
I got a strong Plains Native American vibe from them, myself. The massacre at the southern Air Temple reminded me strongly of Wounded Knee, especially.
True, and there is the factor of two prominent airbenders being named Tenzin and Gyatso, but the Air Nation culture was very much nomadic and dependent on sky bison...
I got a strong Plains Native American vibe from them, myself. The massacre at the southern Air Temple reminded me strongly of Wounded Knee, especially.
Perhaps a fusion of Native American and Tibetan?
Perhaps I didn't get nomadic from them because I never read the books/manga but... Typical the presence of a settlement like a temple that can't be picked up and moved easily proves they're not nomadic.
I think you may have gotten the nomadic feeling because the writer might have emphasized a monastery's suggestion to it's monks to go on pilgrimages. You know those stories of Chinese martial artists wondering the land helping people? Derived from Buddhist monks on pilgrimage.
My theory is that the Airbenders encouraged the same thing among young members so that they have more experience and can see the world.
Perhaps I didn't get nomadic from them because I never read the books/manga but... Typical the presence of a settlement like a temple that can't be picked up and moved easily proves they're not nomadic.
I think you may have gotten the nomadic feeling because the writer might have emphasized a monastery's suggestion to it's monks to go on pilgrimages. You know those stories of Chinese martial artists wondering the land helping people? Derived from Buddhist monks on pilgrimage.
My theory is that the Airbenders encouraged the same thing among young members so that they have more experience and can see the world.
They're called the Air Nomads. IIRC Aang said something about them moving from temple to temple throughout the year, too.
Anyway, I just got the Native American vibe stronger than the Tibetan vibe.
But Azreal did make me laugh. But the guy who played Gargamel was just plain stupid. The original never acted like a total **** like he played him. :mad:
Enh... I liked it about as much as I liked the original.
Gargamel was a pretty mean guy in the original. This is the guy who created Smurfette simply as a way to have an evil Smurf to help him with his plans.
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I didn't care that Korra was an Inuit analogue and bi, I just cared that she had girl problems, jerk problems, and kicked a lot of butt.
Same way as I'm not fourth in-line to the throne of a racist fantasy culture on a windswept ball of rock on the TRIBBLE$ end of space, but I can still identify with Renarin Kholin.
Same way as I'm not a Native American-analogue with telekinetic control over gases, and I still like and identify with Aang.
And so are a LOT of other people.
Why do you think Brandon Sanderson sells so well? Why do you think Legend of Korra and Avatar: The Last Airbender were so popular??
One thing; weren't the Airbenders based on Tibetan monks, not Native Americans?
On that note, add The Last Airbender to my list of worst films. Keep Shamylan away from Hollywood! Especially franchises with a strong fanbase!
Oh, and Thunderbirds (2004). Hate that film.
In fact, let me rate my most hated films:
1) Batman and Robin (A BAT CREDIT CARD?!!!!!!!!!)
2) The Last Airbender (Why can we never have nice things?)
3) Thunderbirds (2004) (...*feels childhood die a little*...)
(I should at this point note that I grew up on reruns of the Thunderbirds - I'm still in College, so I wasn't born yet when the show first aired. Other fixtures of my Childhood include but are not limited to Spider-Man TAS, Star Trek TNG, Doctor Who, Flintstones, Top Cat and Danger Mouse.)
(I should at this point note that I grew up on reruns of the Thunderbirds - I'm still in College, so I wasn't born yet when the show first aired. Other fixtures of my Childhood include but are not limited to Spider-Man TAS, Star Trek TNG, Doctor Who, Flintstones, Top Cat and Danger Mouse.)
Add to that Captain Scarlet and Hong Kong Phooy and you have yourself a pretty solid upbringing!
John Wayne , One of my favorite actors of all time
Saw a movie with him as the star had never saw the title before so I rented it he looked really young on the cover
I was excited A wayne movie I had never saw
A little bit into the movie I noticed the horses were moving faster than they were running.....Frown
saw a shootout where the guys werer shooting more bullets than the pistols could shoot without reloading...Frown
The cowboys were more accurate riding at a Gallop hitting there targets than standing still on the ground aiming..Frown
Here is where I ejected the movie from my machine
John Wayne started singing !!!
No just No..........I mean it NO
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Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
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But the winner is...........* drum roll *............Both JJ Trek's........mainly Star Trek : Into Darkness
Im going to second you on that one. After ST: 2009, I thought to myself, "why pay $30 to be disappointed in full I-Max? When you can be disappointed at home, for free". Honestly, it's been a long time since I've sat down to watch a movie for the very first time, only to spend the second half of the film being more entertained by my cell phone.
I usually enjoy every movie I see in the theatre, mostly because I enjoy the experience of going. It's not until I get home and take a bit of time to think that a movie falls apart.
But this one hurt so much. I wanted to walk out, but instead I held onto the belief that 'maybe it'll get better'
Most of it has been blocked from my memory, but I do recall noticing that the good guys used apple products, and the bad guys used 'generic' PC products. Once I figured that out, I knew who was on what side regardless of whether they were 'secretly a bad guy' or 'really a good guy'.
Project almanac. The dumbest smart people ever, complete lack of any meaningful plot an hour in, teenage girls recording their school classes for no reason other than to give us a frame of reference later, who is later told to record everything, changes the rules of time travel it was using part way through ( you either use are destination paradox, or back to the future style. You do not have a pre destination paradox to set the thing in motion, then decide when they do go back in time, they now change the present. If the present isn't changed until you go back in time, then how the hell did he see himself on the video from ten years ago which lead to him discovering the time machine in the first place, before he had ever gone back in time to be on the video???)
And the camera work made me seasick. That is the ONLY film I've ever walked out of.
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The Sword and the Sorcerer.
I have nothing good to say about this movie and that is a rare thing. No plot (and I mean none whatsoever, at least none that makes any shred sense), the special effects are horrible even for a 80's movie (the special effects in TOS is lightyears ahead of what this movies presents) and 1st grade school plays have better acting.
The only thing that amazes me about it is that I sat through the whole thing. (I had some vain hope that it would go somewhere eventually. It didn't.)
Logic is the beginning of wisdom, not the end of it.
Anyway, my vote goes to Spiderman 3. Spider-Man is supposed to tell jokes, not become one!
I have to agree. Also Topher Grace sucked as Eddie Brock. In fact, I didn't think he was playing Eddie Brock; he was playing Forman from That 70's Show playing Eddie Brock.
As for my pick for worst film, Battlefield: Earth ranks up there. 15 years later and I still want my money back!
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Don't get me wrong, I prefer diversity in my protagonists, but executives love formulas for their company's novels, movies, and music. Which is why cliches are unfortunately so popular.
Doesn't mean either of us have to like it.
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The reason they use the SWM a lot is because it is about as much a blank slate they can get - I'm not saying it's right either, but there is a reason - and what they are hoping to catch is the type of audience that goes to the cinema on a whim, and by having a main protagonist that is already seen to have baggage means they are potentially turning that audience away before they have even stepped into the cinema or brought a ticket.
Conversely if you do have a non standard SWM and then don't make use of it, then there was no point in them being there anyway and you have a TRIBBLE film that people won't go to see either!
At the end of the day it comes down to the people who sign the checks getting the most bang for their buck, and the most bums on seats.
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Michael Clarke Duncan was having the time of his LIFE in that one.
Which was nice because it tickles my nostalgia.
Otherwise, though, that thing was unwatchable.
I can see Inuit for the water tribes totally but... Native American for Aang? Just because his race was annihilated like the Native American tribes doesn't mean you can ignore the obvious Buddhist culture there. I would say the better correlation would be the persecuted Tibetan monks in... Well Tibet.
True, and there is the factor of two prominent airbenders being named Tenzin and Gyatso, but the Air Nation culture was very much nomadic and dependent on sky bison...
I got a strong Plains Native American vibe from them, myself. The massacre at the southern Air Temple reminded me strongly of Wounded Knee, especially.
Perhaps a fusion of Native American and Tibetan?
Perhaps I didn't get nomadic from them because I never read the books/manga but... Typical the presence of a settlement like a temple that can't be picked up and moved easily proves they're not nomadic.
I think you may have gotten the nomadic feeling because the writer might have emphasized a monastery's suggestion to it's monks to go on pilgrimages. You know those stories of Chinese martial artists wondering the land helping people? Derived from Buddhist monks on pilgrimage.
My theory is that the Airbenders encouraged the same thing among young members so that they have more experience and can see the world.
They're called the Air Nomads. IIRC Aang said something about them moving from temple to temple throughout the year, too.
Anyway, I just got the Native American vibe stronger than the Tibetan vibe.
*Shrugs*
Guess it works either way.:D
Gargamel was a pretty mean guy in the original. This is the guy who created Smurfette simply as a way to have an evil Smurf to help him with his plans.
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Starcrash (1979)
The trailer (link)
And if you think you can stomach it, the actual film (link)
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One thing; weren't the Airbenders based on Tibetan monks, not Native Americans?
On that note, add The Last Airbender to my list of worst films. Keep Shamylan away from Hollywood! Especially franchises with a strong fanbase!
Oh, and Thunderbirds (2004). Hate that film.
In fact, let me rate my most hated films:
1) Batman and Robin (A BAT CREDIT CARD?!!!!!!!!!)
2) The Last Airbender (Why can we never have nice things?)
3) Thunderbirds (2004) (...*feels childhood die a little*...)
(I should at this point note that I grew up on reruns of the Thunderbirds - I'm still in College, so I wasn't born yet when the show first aired. Other fixtures of my Childhood include but are not limited to Spider-Man TAS, Star Trek TNG, Doctor Who, Flintstones, Top Cat and Danger Mouse.)
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Add to that Captain Scarlet and Hong Kong Phooy and you have yourself a pretty solid upbringing!
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Some J.J. Abrams thing....there's a couple I could pick from.
Saw a movie with him as the star had never saw the title before so I rented it he looked really young on the cover
I was excited A wayne movie I had never saw
A little bit into the movie I noticed the horses were moving faster than they were running.....Frown
saw a shootout where the guys werer shooting more bullets than the pistols could shoot without reloading...Frown
The cowboys were more accurate riding at a Gallop hitting there targets than standing still on the ground aiming..Frown
Here is where I ejected the movie from my machine
John Wayne started singing !!!
No just No..........I mean it NO
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Im going to second you on that one. After ST: 2009, I thought to myself, "why pay $30 to be disappointed in full I-Max? When you can be disappointed at home, for free". Honestly, it's been a long time since I've sat down to watch a movie for the very first time, only to spend the second half of the film being more entertained by my cell phone.
It could have been worse... it could have been The Conqueror.
But this one hurt so much. I wanted to walk out, but instead I held onto the belief that 'maybe it'll get better'
Nope...
Ballistic: Ecks vs. Sever
Most of it has been blocked from my memory, but I do recall noticing that the good guys used apple products, and the bad guys used 'generic' PC products. Once I figured that out, I knew who was on what side regardless of whether they were 'secretly a bad guy' or 'really a good guy'.
ugh.... hurts to bring it back up.
On a side note, check out the Earwolf podcast "How did this get made" (http://www.earwolf.com/show/how-did-this-get-made/) They humorously mock/dissect many of the gems mentioned on this thread.
And the camera work made me seasick. That is the ONLY film I've ever walked out of.
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And (my own) second place finisher: "Frankenhooker".
Not sure if these movies were meant to be so bad. At least the second one had its (occasional) moments.
I have nothing good to say about this movie and that is a rare thing. No plot (and I mean none whatsoever, at least none that makes any shred sense), the special effects are horrible even for a 80's movie (the special effects in TOS is lightyears ahead of what this movies presents) and 1st grade school plays have better acting.
The only thing that amazes me about it is that I sat through the whole thing. (I had some vain hope that it would go somewhere eventually. It didn't.)
Anyway, my vote goes to Spiderman 3. Spider-Man is supposed to tell jokes, not become one!
Trials of Blood and Fire
Moving On Parts 1-3 - Part 4
In Cold Blood
I have to agree. Also Topher Grace sucked as Eddie Brock. In fact, I didn't think he was playing Eddie Brock; he was playing Forman from That 70's Show playing Eddie Brock.
As for my pick for worst film, Battlefield: Earth ranks up there. 15 years later and I still want my money back!
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