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Arrrggghhh, Why is HE! on my bridge?
roadghost
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So I quit playing my first Romulan way back in LoR because if the spawn of satan. Hadn't done anything but doffs with him since. For Delta I made a new Romulan, went with the whole ToS styling theme. All groovy 60's chick bridge officers. I did everything to shove the evil one aside. Never promoted him, put him in the lamest civilian clothes I could find, basically a turtleneck and skinny jeans colored yellow, took him out of every possible boff slot. He's not on any away team, no bridge/shuttle crews not even a department head, he is NOTHING. I cringed every time he popped up to whine about something, but since he looked like an idiot I could deal better.
Today I did "Mine Enemy" at then end I beam to my ship to read the files, there HE is.. sitting on my bridge like he belongs there. #%&* YOU, TOVAN!
Today I did "Mine Enemy" at then end I beam to my ship to read the files, there HE is.. sitting on my bridge like he belongs there. #%&* YOU, TOVAN!
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All the dialogues would be the same after that, just you have either Tovan or Rinna giving them. It gives your character some reason for wanting to help find the sibling, since you were the one who had to choose to abandon them and would give you ownership of the boff you chose.
Seriously. Stop it. Tovan is one of the most personable characters in the game. One of the few with a story beyond his interactions with you. He tracks you down and saves you from Hakeevs clutches.....twice. His devotion to finding his little sister was one of the better parts of the story. One of the few times STO has made me grin on its own. I actually went and made a Rinna boff so they can hang around my ship. Tovan adds something to the Romulan storyline that the others lack. The Feds have their Starfleet issued Big Sister Elisa Flores, the Klinks get K'Gan, aka Stereotypical Klingon Warrior #20, and the Romulans get to run around with a more mild mannered version of Bryan Mills from Taken.
no... we get a whiney TRIBBLE that doesn't want the big chair but takes command from you every chance he gets and issues orders to you. We get a single npc that makes you his sidekick through many of the early romulan missions, and we have to keep him forever on the off chance we want to relive those missions.
Yes it was cool they tried makin an NPC that had a third dimension to him... but they would have been better off giving him 1/4 the lines and giving veril, satra, and hiven the other 3/4. They also could have done so many better ways of giving you companions/BOFFs that you actually interact with an talk to. Hell this could have been, if done well, a really good reason to use ship interiors. Hit the lounge, notice Tovan sulking in a corner with the 'Q' or '!' over his head, talk to him, find out his sister is missing and he's worried. Head to engineering, "hear" some reman profanities over by the Singularity Core and see Veril. Chat her up and she expresses her 'love' for a 50yr old core and segues into how shes worried about her father.
You're not alone. What people seem to forget is that he did not deliberately seek out this life kind of life, but circumstances left him no choice.
He's more like a Romulan everyman stuck in the middle of war and intrigue than a soldier or James Bond who was trained for this kind of life or even enjoys it.
And that is what influences his opinions and thus his comments.
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It's a horse that was fossilized and ground to dust afterwards.....
I'm not sure there's anything left to beat.
My character Tsin'xing
I like Tovan and his voice. Interesting little character-sideplot to the big actions your captain gets up to.
I can see why people don't like him, though.
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This. And I like him, too. Yes, he oversteps his authority -- twice, maybe three times -- but all this furor is unmerited.
Oh, we can't delete him! So what? He's intrinsic to the story. He adds depth and helps make the story more personal. I know there are Republic supporters who dislike him, or wish he were done differently, but I wonder if some of the Tovan hate is not due to his moderately pro-Republic attitude. We have already established in the past that some of it is due to him being male (I clearly remember someone making a misogynistic comment to the effect that they would like him fine if they were able to put mammaries on him and dress him in a skirt, or words to that effect), but this isn't Leisure Suit Larry; it's Star Trek Online, and women in the Trek universe do not exist solely to stroke the male ego -- deal with it.
I also agree strongly with tolmarius. This whining about Tovan was already old and tired a month after LoR came out. If you really can't stand him, keep sending tickets, and maybe someone at Cryptic will finally give you the option to dismiss him. JUST DON'T TRIBBLE HIM UP FOR THE REST OF US.
I will remind you Tal'Shiar-lovers who are Tovan-haters that, were you allowed to play your precious fascist bully boys, you would get NO choice in your BOffs, because the Tal'Shiar would assign your crew to you.
Good point. He's just a common Romulan, not a Star Navy or Tal Shiar officer. It's a side we didn't see much of in on-screen Trek, and having him around kind of brings that extra dimension to the faction as a whole.
And I think it was a neat experiment, game mechanic wise. Kinda neat to give everyone a BOFF that has his own story. Sure, head-canon stories for all of your other crew, but this is the poor bugger you barely escaped Virinat with. There's a shared experience, and it's designed to connect the player more closely into the story.
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
When did they allow this? Last time I tried his appearance was locked, well face/body at least, uniform was always malleable.
Since she kept gushing about the Vesta class, I had her transfered from my DR to my old SCI Captain who is actually flying one. Her TSIII synergizes quite well with his Torp-boat/PartGen build.
I dunno, maybe because you and D'Vex (now a BOff on your crew, theoretically) and his sister (whose current whereabouts are never revealed, but one would think she's no longer in a hospital) are THE ONLY PEOPLE HE HAS LEFT from Virinat after the Tal'Shiar and Elachi attack?
That and proabably the fact that he's seen what's out there
- Breen
- Tholians
- Elachi
- Iconians
just to name a few. And he probably doesn't want to sit around at a comby job when those dangers are knocking at the door.
You aren't alone by a long shot, its just that those of us who like him aren't posting about it, especially when those who don't like him tend to make psychotic over the top posts, most people don't want to draw the attention of that type of person. In LOR beta there was a massive thread of praise for Tovan, he's a wildly popular character, despite the level of ire his few detractors seem to raise.
Not accurate. There are many other survivors from Virinat. Namely, your entire initial crew, so a core portion of the NCOs and junior officers on your ship will be from the planet. And Rai, the biologist doff you get from Mine Enemy is from Virinat. She mentiona having escaped by hiding in the Khellid caves and then hiking to another settlement. Which means there were other settlements on the planet. Not just the little farming community from the start.
I dom't mind Tovan either. I think all the hate is because he's pretty much a permanent fixture on your Romulan crew, which screws with people's ability to have an all female "space elf" crew.
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if I want bridge bunnies Ill play on the KDF side and buy me some orion girls... wait I did that :P if I want space elves Ill do the same with alien gen :P So... there goes your theory... that and Ive generally even kept hiven and d'vex :P
My character Tsin'xing
1. The Romulan storyline was written with him as the hero, rather than with the PC as hero. Good writing for a game should center around the Player as protagonist. Very few people want to play a Sherlock Holmes game as Dr. Watson - or as Inspector Lestrade. Having Khev answering for the PC, or giving orders to the PC - when the PC is supposedly in command - is a major mistake.
2. Aggravating this, was the offensively aggressive VO work of the actor who recorded Khev's lines. He really came across as insubordinate and pushy, IMHO. When I played Knights of the Old Republic years ago, I remember how much Carth Onassi annoyed me for the exact same VO reasons. At the time of LoR's release, I recall thinking that Tovan Khev was Carth Onassi all over again. Carth was my least favorite character in ANY computer game up to that point, and I've been playing computer games since the dawn of the Commodore 64 era.
Now I wonder if Tovan's voice files have been replaced with alternate takes where he read them with more restraint, as almost all of them seem MUCH more mellow than I recall from hearing them at LOR's release. I made my second Rom as a Delta Recruit, and the difference in Khev's line delivery (not the actual lines themselves, just the voicing) is staggering to me. As an actor (and VO actor) in RL myself, I tend to notice things like this. The whiny factor has gone down by a huge margin, and I am much more inclined to dislike the character less. I still deplore the way the story was written around him, but his delivery is now much improved, and I am willing to cut him much more slack.
3. As with the OP, I feel that his presence on the bridge of your ship when you visit the interior (as with other BOFFS) should be tied to whether or not he has been assigned to a bridge station or to a Department Head slot or not. I haven't seen another BOFF who is not either assigned to an active bridge station, nor a department head appear on the bridge in a long time. And Tovan should not be treated differently from the others in this regard. Your assigned First Officer should be sitting in that chair. If that's Tovan, fine. But if it's not, he shouldn't be there. Regardless of your feelings about the character, the mechanics of bridge assignments should be consistent across all BOFFs. It's YOUR ship, and YOUR bridge. YOU make the assignments, and that should be the end of the matter. It is simply a bug which the Devs have not yet fixed - and frankly, right now, I think they have a few more critical ones to squash first.
In an attempt to lighten the mood on both sides, I offer this song which I wrote some time ago. As I mentioned above, the mellower VO takes have mellowed my own feelings toward the character since then, so please take this as intended - humorously, not seriously. Hopefully, my fellow Romulans will LOL instead of flame.
The Ballad of Tovan Khev
(sung to The Beverly Hillbillies' opening and closing themes - The Ballad of Jed Clampitt)
Come and listen to a story 'bout this Tovan Khev,
Young Rommie punk, who's the fav'rite of a Dev.
Seems Christine T. wrote this blatant Marty Stu,
So now ev'ry Rom has this jerk on his crew.
Loud, he is.
Angsty.
Mouthin' off.
When you walk on your bridge, he's settin' in that chair.
You're shocked and say, "Khev, move away from there!"
You say, "The Sick Bay is the place you're gonna be!"
So you draw your plasma gun, and you set to "Fricassee".
Got the proc!
No effect.
Darn it all!
He whines about his sister, and his girlfriend's Tal Shiar.
I'd love to beam this cretin to the center of a star.
They won't let you dismiss the yutz, no matter what you do,
So ev'ry Green is seein' Red and feelin' kinda Blue!
Out the airlock.
Plasma Torp.
Don't come back now, hear?
Does cause script errors on the Romulan missions as it would pick random boff instead and play back in tovans voice