Dude, I don't care that it wasn't handed to me. I didn't work for the goal, the rewards weren't good enough to motivate me to work for them. I basically dropped out Sunday night after getting the Fleet Project reward and setting up a new contraband DOFF mule.
I've lost nothing here, and in fact just gained from the work of others to get the tier II rewards (although not that much in the end, I can't force myself to play this game enough to really benefit from them).
I'm just telling you how companies think. For MMOs, events like this are very visible- it's important they go off well. I'm 99% certain that trendy had a blog already written bragging about her players hitting Tier III- and the draft went into the trash can.
As someone who works in a company, your point still makes no sense.
So if we had reached T3 and a 4th one appeared, you people wouldn't be whining about not hitting that one? Yeah, right. :rolleyes:
Knowing that there was unlimited tiers? I'm sure some would whine, but not I. I know I can't reach infinity.
I don't even care that we didn't hit tier III, I expected it in fact. Look back through some threads when the event was announced- I stated the rewards were underwhelming and clearly they were. The players didn't want them enough to reach Tier III.
Designing the goal not to be met is the sleaziest of all possibilities. I'm not prepared to believe they deliberately wronged us the way you claim they did.
Wronged us? Christ on a cracker you are deluded. If you think failing to meet an objective is "wronging" you perhaps you'd be happier playing some cow clicker/facebook game. If I had designed the event tier 3 would have been a number of missions equal to 80% of the player base finishing all the story arcs up to the start of the Dyson sphere. Would you consider that to be a bridge too far? It's tough but certainly doable.
Wronged you, gtfo. Just because your disappointed that WE didn't hit t3 doesn't mean it's anyone's fault. Could the numbers have been off? Sure. Could they have given us t3 anyway? Yes, it'd set a terrible precedent but they could have. But they shouldn't have. We got a 96% on the final exam for last week. Let's see if we can't do better this week.
Ignorance is an obstacle not an excuse
Let the stupid suffer
The company didn't set a goal they couldn't hit. They set a goal for the players to hit. And since the goal was only missed by a mere 6% the goal was not unreasonable, simply challenging. Players came close but it wasn't enough.
I would bet that they predicted the goal would be hit late Tuesday, midday Wednesday at the latest. Being able to brag that their players "exceeded" their expectations by a good amount is too good a PR win to pass up.
Yes, in the end it all comes down to the basic philosophical divide:
Some people don't think it's a problem to place a set of unreachable goals as a motivation, others think it's some sort of crime.
No real need to continue this discussion, since those two positions aren't going to change, and everything else is just circling around that central thing.
They wouldn't silly. Blaming their customers isn't only foolish in the extreme, it's very wrong. If they're honest, the only thing we get is silence.
Instead they'll be looking internally for the cause of the failure. They may or may not be successful, and they may or may not be able to successfully adjust for it. No matter what the outcome, unless an insider goes public we won't hear a word of it.
BTW, I don't think at any point Cryptic "wronged us". That's silly talk, they want happy and excited customers. They decided to embarked upon a marketing ploy- and it wasn't completely successfully at this point and that indicates their planning and execution wasn't up to par. And that's really all that can be and should be said.
Designing the goal not to be met is the sleaziest of all possibilities. I'm not prepared to believe they deliberately wronged us the way you claim they did.
It would have never considered that "sleazy".
If I were to create a contest with 3 tiers, I would normally try to have one easy attainable goal, one likely attainable goal, and one hardly attainable goal. At least that's my naive take.
That automatically means that particularly the 3rd goal is "failable".
Maybe that would be wrong, because there are clearly people (like you) that didn'T expect it to work like that. But I see it like this: IF the 3rd goal was likely to be attained, and it would have, than we would have potentially several days without an objective to strive for. Would that really be a good choice? I can already see the reactions that would have come:
"Haha, we beat Cryptic, and now they can't come up with something for us to do, like always. What losers!"
"Hah, we beat even the highest goal, obviously they rigged it so that their "metrics" look fine. And everyone claps on their shoulders and says "what a successful game, it cannot fail! Delta Recruitment is awesome and the players love it!"
"The maintenance was probably sneaked in when they realized we weren't gonna make it, and they altered the numbers so we'd beat the 3rd tier... And if we still failed, they could just give it to us anyway saying the emergency maintenance cost a few percentage points and to show how generous they are, they'd give us the 3rd tier reward anyway."
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
BTW, I don't think at any point Cryptic "wronged us". That's silly talk, they want happy and excited customers. They decided to embarked upon a marketing ploy- and it wasn't completely successfully at this point and that indicates their planning and execution wasn't up to par. And that's really all that can be and should be said.
You really don't get the idea of "Hey, we almost got Tier 3 this week! Cool! Let's try harder next week and maybe we'll get there!" as a positive motivational thing?
(Of course, this is somewhat undercut by week 2 giving us a Doff XP bonus, which just doesn't seem like an exciting goal to chase after, but hey.... )
...I really am confused by this view that the T3 thing had to be completable for it to be valid. /shrug
You really don't get the idea of "Hey, we almost got Tier 3 this week! Cool! Let's try harder next week and maybe we'll get there!" as a positive motivational thing?
(Of course, this is somewhat undercut by week 2 giving us a Doff XP bonus, which just doesn't seem like an exciting goal to chase after, but hey.... )
...I really am confused by this view that the T3 thing had to be completable for it to be valid. /shrug
Easy to chase, but not a good bonus to strive for, except for the Diplomacy transwarp unlocks.
I'm just enjoying the event for the rewards it gives in itself, and the opportunity to play through the story in a linear fashion, so I can follow what is going on. I've criticised Cryptic over the non-linearity which has occurred as things have been retroactively revamped to include knowledge from later missions etc. in order to fit in before you know what's happening. I'm still not far enough through to see it all pan out, but its feeling like it works atm.
(Of course, this is somewhat undercut by week 2 giving us a Doff XP bonus, which just doesn't seem like an exciting goal to chase after, but hey.... )
Agreed. Doffing XP Bonuses and DOFFing just seems boring. But it would be difficult doing the levelling/mission completion thing again, since many will already be done and not going to do it again.
Star Trek Online Advancement: You start with lowbie gear, you end with Lobi gear.
You really don't get the idea of "Hey, we almost got Tier 3 this week! Cool! Let's try harder next week and maybe we'll get there!" as a positive motivational thing?
That's a recovery option (one that I expect will be used)- not one you hope you have to go to.
Will it work? Won't on me, the rewards for next week are completely underwhelming. A +75% bonus at Tier III? Meh.
I'll DOFF likely less than normal as I take advantage of the double XP this week.
Well I like the Delta Recruit event. I was an original lifetime subscriber and quit before the romulans were a faction. I just started back up.
I started new romulan toon and took advantage of all the free stuff. I am enjoying it alot. My only "beef" (minor) is that if the goal was to get us to roll a new toon, i still feel like i am missing out with the new toon in that there are many rewards that are locked out now; Breen and Reman BOs, the wacky snake staff.... I just feel like the new toon is somehow "less" if that makes sense.
I love the Romualn war-birds they have become some of my favorite craft in the game (quite different than the galaxy-x my main uses) and I could see this romulan toon becoming my main.
I think this boils down to an issue of morality, personally. The Devs at Cryptic had the opportunity to be morally sound by admitting their faults, and bumping us up that 6%, if only as a gesture of generosity towards the playerbase participating in DR.
Oh I disagree.
Instead I rather respect the honesty and honor of them sticking to the original requirements and would have considered any other path (adjusting the requirement in play, or just giving the reward) to be immoral.
wow, a teeth cleaning and headshrinking all in one office!?
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
here have some cheese to go with that whine.... gods this is what the rampant political correctness landscape our world is in begets... whiny kids that cant accept anything other than being told they're "special" and should be given everything. Also LOL "punished" yeah we're having to "suffer" with extra xp we earned through tier 1 and 2.... interesting definition of punishment. Suck it up cupcakes... you dont always get everything, and the world aint gonna hand it to you "because you tried really hard"
here have some cheese to go with that whine.... gods this is what the rampant political correctness landscape our world is in begets... whiny kids that cant accept anything other than being told they're "special" and should be given everything. Also LOL "punished" yeah we're having to "suffer" with extra xp we earned through tier 1 and 2.... interesting definition of punishment. Suck it up cupcakes... you dont always get everything, and the world aint gonna hand it to you "because you tried really hard"
I often disagree with Koda, and it might be worded a bit harshly but this, *SO* much this.
Y'know what? Some of us *prefer* not to get the XP bonus. Leveling is *way* too fast in this game, in my opinion.
"You Iconians just hung a vacancy sign on your asses and my foot's looking for a room!"
--Red Annorax
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Knowing that there was unlimited tiers? I'm sure some would whine, but not I. I know I can't reach infinity.
I don't even care that we didn't hit tier III, I expected it in fact. Look back through some threads when the event was announced- I stated the rewards were underwhelming and clearly they were. The players didn't want them enough to reach Tier III.
Wronged us? Christ on a cracker you are deluded. If you think failing to meet an objective is "wronging" you perhaps you'd be happier playing some cow clicker/facebook game. If I had designed the event tier 3 would have been a number of missions equal to 80% of the player base finishing all the story arcs up to the start of the Dyson sphere. Would you consider that to be a bridge too far? It's tough but certainly doable.
Wronged you, gtfo. Just because your disappointed that WE didn't hit t3 doesn't mean it's anyone's fault. Could the numbers have been off? Sure. Could they have given us t3 anyway? Yes, it'd set a terrible precedent but they could have. But they shouldn't have. We got a 96% on the final exam for last week. Let's see if we can't do better this week.
Let the stupid suffer
It's your thread. I'll go back to playing the game then.
I would bet that they predicted the goal would be hit late Tuesday, midday Wednesday at the latest. Being able to brag that their players "exceeded" their expectations by a good amount is too good a PR win to pass up.
Some people don't think it's a problem to place a set of unreachable goals as a motivation, others think it's some sort of crime.
No real need to continue this discussion, since those two positions aren't going to change, and everything else is just circling around that central thing.
/shrug
They wouldn't silly. Blaming their customers isn't only foolish in the extreme, it's very wrong. If they're honest, the only thing we get is silence.
Instead they'll be looking internally for the cause of the failure. They may or may not be successful, and they may or may not be able to successfully adjust for it. No matter what the outcome, unless an insider goes public we won't hear a word of it.
BTW, I don't think at any point Cryptic "wronged us". That's silly talk, they want happy and excited customers. They decided to embarked upon a marketing ploy- and it wasn't completely successfully at this point and that indicates their planning and execution wasn't up to par. And that's really all that can be and should be said.
If I were to create a contest with 3 tiers, I would normally try to have one easy attainable goal, one likely attainable goal, and one hardly attainable goal. At least that's my naive take.
That automatically means that particularly the 3rd goal is "failable".
Maybe that would be wrong, because there are clearly people (like you) that didn'T expect it to work like that. But I see it like this: IF the 3rd goal was likely to be attained, and it would have, than we would have potentially several days without an objective to strive for. Would that really be a good choice? I can already see the reactions that would have come:
You really don't get the idea of "Hey, we almost got Tier 3 this week! Cool! Let's try harder next week and maybe we'll get there!" as a positive motivational thing?
(Of course, this is somewhat undercut by week 2 giving us a Doff XP bonus, which just doesn't seem like an exciting goal to chase after, but hey....
...I really am confused by this view that the T3 thing had to be completable for it to be valid. /shrug
Easy to chase, but not a good bonus to strive for, except for the Diplomacy transwarp unlocks.
That's a recovery option (one that I expect will be used)- not one you hope you have to go to.
Will it work? Won't on me, the rewards for next week are completely underwhelming. A +75% bonus at Tier III? Meh.
I'll DOFF likely less than normal as I take advantage of the double XP this week.
I started new romulan toon and took advantage of all the free stuff. I am enjoying it alot. My only "beef" (minor) is that if the goal was to get us to roll a new toon, i still feel like i am missing out with the new toon in that there are many rewards that are locked out now; Breen and Reman BOs, the wacky snake staff.... I just feel like the new toon is somehow "less" if that makes sense.
I love the Romualn war-birds they have become some of my favorite craft in the game (quite different than the galaxy-x my main uses) and I could see this romulan toon becoming my main.
Oh I disagree.
Instead I rather respect the honesty and honor of them sticking to the original requirements and would have considered any other path (adjusting the requirement in play, or just giving the reward) to be immoral.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Starfleet Dental, ladies and gentlemen. They'll be baiting all week. Try the veal!
Oh wait, nevermind. This is a bait thread. My mistake. Carry on.
--Red Annorax
Y'know what? Some of us *prefer* not to get the XP bonus. Leveling is *way* too fast in this game, in my opinion.
--Red Annorax
You know, I just fixed this damn thing last week and here we go again! Seriously, what is wrong with you people?