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What is the point of not separating Space/Ground Traits?
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This is something I perceive as a Quality of Life issue. We have separate slots for reputation traits, why not our regular traits as well? People are having to switch traits before every queued match if they want to try a different region in order to enjoy the benefits of the traits they've earned.
Why is this necessary? Are we expected to pick a balanced selection of traits for both regions at the expense of some effectiveness? Devs, please give us separate slots for space and ground traits. We can't use them simultaneously, so we're just forced to go through, checking a bunch of boxes before every match.
At the very least, give us a loadout for our personal character like with our ship, so it's just a matter of clicking one button.
Why is this necessary? Are we expected to pick a balanced selection of traits for both regions at the expense of some effectiveness? Devs, please give us separate slots for space and ground traits. We can't use them simultaneously, so we're just forced to go through, checking a bunch of boxes before every match.
At the very least, give us a loadout for our personal character like with our ship, so it's just a matter of clicking one button.
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IMO, yes. This is exactly the devs' intent/expectation. I await official confirmation, but look at how they now require you to put a portion of your skill points into ground.
What I would like to see is a slight update to the Traits UI, that segregates Space and Ground traits, if only to make selecting one, or the other easier...
Honestly, until Cryptic get the ship loadouts working properly, I don't want them to add a Traits Loadout system... instead I'd just like existing traits to be better sorted, so as to make them more easily managed manually...
1. You can be optimal in space, but then, you aren't on ground
2. You can be optimal on ground, but then you aren't in space
3. You can be good on ground and in space, but then you are sub-optimal in space and on ground.
4. You can be optimal in space and on ground, but then you have to reassign your traits. Well, being the best has a price, as it seems.
Why leave it as it is. You can now mix and max as you like. If I have a race with good ground traits (racial), I emphasize on space. Anything you want. If we get what you want we most likely end up with four space and four ground traits. I don't want a nerf for your convenience.
trait - an identifying characteristic, habit or trend (wiki)
You are not suposed to change them on the fly. Be thankful that you can.
Why not have them changed only in social zones like ESD, ds9, that sort of place,
but then give us 9 space traits and 9 ground trait slots. They dont help each other anyways.
Way back when you'd have to pay to change traits, so you were either balanced for ground and space or specialized for one or the other and avoided doing the one you weren't set up for.
Now with that sort of choice gone, reduced to a mere inconvenience, we effectively have everything.
i was set up for space but I found some good ground gear for ground... missions were doable with a team that worked well together, but then once traits came out and were splittable, I found I really could dominate ground
Personally, for all but one of my (16) characters, I go mostly balanced, with a leaning towards space. Only my Main do I even ever bother to change the traits (For him in most play I do go with all space traits, but if I'll be going boots-on-the-ground for any length of time I will swap in three ground traits that I like).
All that being said, I'd be pleased if Cryptic were to give us a separated Space/Ground trait sections, so long as I could still use 9 in space, with ground being simply additional/separate slots.
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I'm guessing they will cut down the number of active traits and then split them, making sure to annoy both those who want it left alone and those who want it changed LOL
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Not a good system when it keeps people from playing content.
we need to have traits as a part of the loadout system (I know the current one is borked, but its getting closer to working, at least for me)
for instance, the ENG has "beam barrage" and "deft cannoneer'. I would like to have the obvious ones on my beam boats or cannon canoes.
and I simply NEVER do ground cause of having to load the traits and re-load the space ones. There are two places you can be at, SPACE and GROUND, why not separate both. It only makes sense. Of course you'll just release new lockboxes, ships, and content and money grabbing equipment before actually FIXING something that has been broken since day 1 of its implementation
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probably...
Yeah, this is what I fear, too.
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Yeah I wouldn't be surprised... either that or a 4/4 split but for 500 zen you can open up a trait box of your choice either ground or space
Come on... you have to know that Cryptic is trying to figure out a way to make money off of this trait split
Things may change, of course, but that Trek Radio interview made it sound like it was already in the works... I'd be surprised if it arrived in Season 10... but maybe 10.5 or 11.
Of course, Geko said it, so people will TRIBBLE all over it. *shrugs*
This right here. I get it that several of you are afraid of a nerf happening if the devs get wind of this, but that is not my intent either, and I had considered it... but reducing the maximum number of space traits able to be slotted would NOT go over well with the community, and any MORON should be able to see that. *stares at each Cryptic employee in turn*
the worst is when there is a new episode. Those usually require both space and ground and then space again. In normal gameplay its a pain but Im not having to change it every 10 minutes.
More often than not I forget to even change it on the ground if the truth be told
Do you really need the efficient trait for example? How does 1-2 more power make this trait a must have? Same goes for many other traits.
People are causing their own frustrations. Funny that you need the programmers to redo the system because you lack the ability to choose a few traits.
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1) Slot traits belonging to start of episode (Usually space)
2) Play space part
3) Get to ground part and beam out
4) Select ground traits
5) Select continue episode and use your ground traits in ground
Repeat as needed.
Since they haven't had a single PvE that has space and ground in ages, I don't really see the point in having to choose between one set or another when the workaround above is available.
It's gentle as newb traps go, as there's no cost to change it, but someone at Cryptic loves their newb traps. Just look at the default weapons on a new ship.
True... which why I think it would be a good quality of life issue... and not a major game breaking bug.
Sure would it be nice to really never have to change me traits around until I got a new one... sure it would be great... but it's not game breaking.... but it would still be nice.
My only concern is that Cryptic decides to use this as an excuse to nerf the trait system... in which case I would seriously prefer for it to be left alone and just use your work around (which is what I do now )
But if they can work it so I have a full trait system for space and another for ground which requires me not to have to do a work around to make it work... then I'm all for it.
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In a perfect world they give us the ability to slot 9 space traits and 9 ground traits which automatically and only apply when you're on a given space/ground map. So basically if you want to be pure ground spec you simply could be AND still add in 9 space traits for those times you PvE and just want a little boost.... or you could leave them empty... and have no impact at all on your ground traits.
That's in a perfect world... but in a Perfect World... that would be too easy.