All kidding aside I wish the best for all the people who unfortunately got laid-off. Hopefully they get work soon. I never like to see people witho.ut work, feeding families isn't easy.
You are talking about Trek fans that play STO. Most of these people have never displayed a firm grasp of reality where the Trek IP and this game are concerned.
The world revolves around STO. STO fails so hard it has caused layoffs at Daybreak Studios, has shuttered Maxis, and Delta Rising continues to strangle the video game market by forcing studios all across the planet to lay off workers.
Not that I expect many players in the forums to recognize the big picture and put two and two together, and see this is an industry problem.
No, we can't see past our own noses and believe that STO and Delta Rising is the cause of all of this. I see a bunch of people on the forums acting like cats who sniff the finger instead of the food the finger is pointing at.
This is why people think the STO forums are full of morons. Because it is.
This is why people think the STO forums are full of morons. Because it is.
What I've found helps some of my...disintegrating attitude...with the forums here has been to check out the forums for some of PWE/Cryptic's other games. Though I'm not usually a fan of the "it could be worse" process, the /facepalms from reading some of that stuff causes enough brain matter to splatter that the stuff here doesn't bother me as much.
What I've found helps some of my...disintegrating attitude...with the forums here has been to check out the forums for some of PWE/Cryptic's other games. Though I'm not usually a fan of the "it could be worse" process, the /facepalms from reading some of that stuff causes enough brain matter to splatter that the stuff here doesn't bother me as much.
Well, you usually seem to be one of the more reasonable posters here. Now I know why.
Layoffs are the corporate answer to everything, it seems.
So they lay off a bunch of people and will bloody keep on making the same stupid decisions.
They could have kept those people on and changed bloody direction, as in go the opposite direction, and would have likely made more money in the long run.
STO is not going to get any better. Not so long as its overlords keep doing the same bloody things while expecting a different bloody outcome.
/spit
Well... I'm not to sure it is financially motivated, as Cryptic is currently hiring...
I was no fan of Brandon but the guy did let people know they needed to be geared, pvp is useful, pay to play or lifetime up and support the game we all love, voice chat and guilds are the way to go..
Smirk didn't do anything right by catering to free to play, ignoring paying players and those that spend hundreds and thousands of dollars on the game.
Telling people that it's ok to be under geared when going into qued events...these things are killing the game.. we the ones that fund the game get nothing..the advocate for a ill built ship is gone I say good ridden and it took PWE way to long to see that he was doing nothing for the game..
Now with PWE showing that profits are down lets see if they start paying more attention to us the ones that have been here since day 1 and are 20k or more in..we pay the salaries and we are second rate , I don't think so..keep chasing us away and there will be no game free to play doesn't pay your bills ..
Smirk Aidos bruh you sucked as a player and failed as an advocate bye..
I was no fan of Brandon but the guy did let people know they needed to be geared, pvp is useful, pay to play or lifetime up and support the game we all love, voice chat and guilds are the way to go..
Smirk didn't do anything right by catering to free to play, ignoring paying players and those that spend hundreds and thousands of dollars on the game.
Telling people that it's ok to be under geared when going into qued events...these things are killing the game.. we the ones that fund the game get nothing..the advocate for a ill built ship is gone I say good ridden and it took PWE way to long to see that he was doing nothing for the game..
Now with PWE showing that profits are down lets see if they start paying more attention to us the ones that have been here since day 1 and are 20k or more in..we pay the salaries and we are second rate , I don't think so..keep chasing us away and there will be no game free to play doesn't pay your bills ..
Smirk Aidos bruh you sucked as a player and failed as an advocate bye..
You were a moron in the post you created... and you're still a moron here since you copied and pasted...
Of course at a 55 post count I must assume you're nothing but a moronic troll with nothing better to do and no clue and what you're saying.
What I've found helps some of my...disintegrating attitude...with the forums here has been to check out the forums for some of PWE/Cryptic's other games. Though I'm not usually a fan of the "it could be worse" process, the /facepalms from reading some of that stuff causes enough brain matter to splatter that the stuff here doesn't bother me as much.
Try catching the EVE forums and news pages when something so bad happens they add 'gate' to the end of it.
The most absolute and worse possible thing that has ever happened in STO is trivial in comparison. It helps keep things in perspective
Try catching the EVE forums and news pages when something so bad happens they add 'gate' to the end of it.
The most absolute and worse possible thing that has ever happened in STO is trivial in comparison. It helps keep things in perspective
lol dont compare eve to sto....Eve developers know what age people playing their game have .In STO they think the players are 12 year olds.Its like comparing a car to a toy car...
As a Dev with a scrap of moral decency and self respect I would have left Cryptic with the introduction of f2p / p2w and the conversion of their mmorpg into mmocasino.
I don't miss and wont be missing anyone of the ones, who stayed.
This is no surprise. Remember the start of Delta Rising? The level cap was increased and it was supposed to take some time to get to the new cap. Within a few days some players were at level cap by farming xp points in Tau Dewa. Tau Dewa was closed and players were reset on there xp. Later this reset was canceled. This all is just horrible game design and management.
So the bad ones have to go. Perhaps some good ones are brought in, because the game still need some fixes.
The background. (just guessing). The dev team got too much involved with the famous Startrek characters that were hired for voice acting. Game play and game mechanics came on the short end of the stick.
This is no surprise. Remember the start of Delta Rising? The level cap was increased and it was supposed to take some time to get to the new cap. Within a few days some players were at level cap by farming xp points in Tau Dewa. Tau Dewa was closed and players were reset on there xp. Later this reset was canceled. This all is just horrible game design and management.
So the bad ones have to go. Perhaps some good ones are brought in, because the game still need some fixes.
The background. (just guessing). The dev team got too much involved with the famous Startrek characters that were hired for voice acting. Game play and game mechanics came on the short end of the stick.
I cant speak for other players but I was level 60 in 3 hours and 27 minutes. And I hadn't even run a patrol in Tau or the Delta quadrant. Still go hit by the nurf bat for exploiting though, and still don't know what I did that was an exploit.
Don't they think that the lack of communication is a crucial component to keeping its fanbase? Frankly I would be happy with the corporate line "We are making changes to facilitate a better gaming experience" rather than silence.
Most of the "fanbase" isn't on the forums.
Most of the "fanbase" are probably unaware of any layoffs at all.
While it is none of our business, it is expected for employees in the public eye to inform us that they are leaving or have left.
Personally, not leaving this type of message gives the impression that it was just a job to them and not something they had passion for.
Who expects this?
A person is a person. Each one can decide for themselves if they want the world to know why they are no longer working for whomever they were working with/for immediately prior.
Publicly traded companies lay off employees constantly and no one is demanding to know the names of the employees, the resons for their terminations, or any other personal information about these people.
If there is some major scandal developing and wrongful termination suits start flying around then yeah, there will be an investigation and some if this information will be made available. Some.
But quite frankly it is none of our business what happened unless we have a stake in the company.
They either won't explain anything or they will have some stock answer about eliminating redundant positions and adjusting the staff to the projected workload using the new tools at their disposal.
In either case the game will go on until it doesn't.
And as far as a farewell speech goes, not always an option.
And who cares if it was a "passion" or "just a job" to him anyway? There is nothing wrong with someone doing a job because that is what they get paid to do.
A person loving their work doesn't suddenly make it more noble.
Heck, I think someone is pretty noble for getting up each day and doing what they have to do to support themselves and their family even if they don't really love the job itself.
Most of the voice talent is far cheaper then you realize. The SAG rate is less then $1,000.00 per day for video game voice work - and everyone's work could have been done in a single day. Heck, Ethan did his over Skype, so he did not even need to come to a studio. For better or worse Jeri is the only "star" in the recent group. Most of the actors in Trek are working for scale - there are people whose only income comes from convention appearances.
All the VO work for DR probably cost less then $10,000.00. They only needed to sell 80 Delta Packs to pay for it.
But how many people did buy the packs?
I would like to see numbers comparing lifers to subscribers to F2Pers, and then see how much additional money each group is spending for zen, expansion packs, or whatever other offers might be out there.
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Regarding the voiceovers, though... Whatever.
The new Trek people don't sell me. Every new Trek show got less and less interest. Jeri Ryan was brought in to sex up Voyager and to try and bring in more young male eyes. Enterprise didn't wait to put their Vulcan hottie in some tight or barely-there outfits, and that still didn't do much to help Enterprise.
And these new stories? These characters don't just serve as contacts or information sources; They are thrust upon you. I can't investigate this with my own crew. No. I have to leave my people behind and bring along someone else because... Well, never mind why! Just do it. You should be proud to have the great 7 of 9 accompanying you.
You aren't smart enough to figure this stuff out on your own, nor are your engineering, science, or tactical specialists. Only she can solve the problems and then tell you what you have to do while she stands around being useless.
That killed me. I have to drag her from point to point so that she can tell me what the problem is and then leave me to fix it while she stands around doing nothing.
I was (and still am) an original Trek guy, growing up with the reruns as a kid.
I am sure this is going to be an unpopular stance to take, but I would rather have had a game set in the Abrams-verse.
Let us get out and explore the galaxy on our own.
They want to borrow some actor or another for voice work, as they did with Leonard Nimoy introducing sector blocks (and a guest appearance as Mr. Spock) or Zachary Quinto as a mission giver then great, but these are supposed to be the stories of my crew.
Instead I get to tag along now as I continue the adventures of the Voyager crew... My least favorite of all the crews.
Anyways... Off-topic but since those voice actors (as those characters) was brought up I just wanted to vent.
As a Dev with a scrap of moral decency and self respect I would have left Cryptic with the introduction of f2p / p2w and the conversion of their mmorpg into mmocasino.
I don't miss and wont be missing anyone of the ones, who stayed.
The world revolves around STO. STO fails so hard it has caused layoffs at Daybreak Studios, has shuttered Maxis, and Delta Rising continues to strangle the video game market by forcing studios all across the planet to lay off workers.
Not that I expect many players in the forums to recognize the big picture and put two and two together, and see this is an industry problem.
No, we can't see past our own noses and believe that STO and Delta Rising is the cause of all of this. I see a bunch of people on the forums acting like cats who sniff the finger instead of the food the finger is pointing at.
This is why people think the STO forums are full of morons. Because it is.
I'm only dropping in to make these comments:
People can paint the "big picture" all they like. If STO was truly healthy and growing and making PWE a good profit, people wouldn't lose jobs. Cryptic would be hiring even more. It is astonishing to see the lengths people will go to in order to not see what so many players who have left already saw...
STO is going in the *wrong* direction in appealing to players. While there are some who will throw money at this current state of the game, many others have stopped.
Everything they've been doing has had the focus be how to manipulate the players into buying more rather than focusing on just making the game fun. XP nerf after nerf, paltry reward systems, overpriced features, non-stop introduction of systems re-made to cost something....the whole feel of grind at every turn.
It sucks people may have lost their jobs without a doubt but inferring that STO is successful at this point goes beyond the bounds of reason. There were (and are) smart ways for Cryptic to make money off of STO and, with every release in the last two years, they keep going in the wrong direction from many players' perspectives.
Hopefully, Cryptic wakes up. By everything I've seen with one or two exceptions, it looks like they've chosen to double-down on monetizing every aspect of STO that players will stand. Tech bubbles or world economic status would have far less impact if Cryptic's design decisions were more player friendly and less based on quarterly profits. Good games make money and good game designers hire people, they don't hand out pink slips.
If anyone lost their job, and Im sorry if that's happened, that rests squarely in the upper management at Cryptic.
STO is going in the *wrong* direction in appealing to players. While there are some who will throw money at this current state of the game, many others have stopped.
Everything they've been doing has had the focus be how to manipulate the players into buying more rather than focusing on just making the game fun.
At one time, I really liked STO and where it was going. Enough so, that I allotted myself a monthly Zen purchase. So, I could purchase things I may want, of course, but also to support further development.
Now, I just coast along, earning what I can. I haven't made a purchase in months. I bet you can guess about when. What I'm seeing isn't really encouraging. From MY point of view, the fun factor seems to be dwindling.
I was never a so-called whale, but I wonder just how many minnows the game can stand to lose.
I was (and still am) an original Trek guy, growing up with the reruns as a kid.
I am sure this is going to be an unpopular stance to take, but I would rather have had a game set in the Abrams-verse.
Let us get out and explore the galaxy on our own.
They want to borrow some actor or another for voice work, as they did with Leonard Nimoy introducing sector blocks (and a guest appearance as Mr. Spock) or Zachary Quinto as a mission giver then great, but these are supposed to be the stories of my crew.
Instead I get to tag along now as I continue the adventures of the Voyager crew... My least favorite of all the crews.
Anyways... Off-topic but since those voice actors (as those characters) was brought up I just wanted to vent.
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All kidding aside I wish the best for all the people who unfortunately got laid-off. Hopefully they get work soon. I never like to see people witho.ut work, feeding families isn't easy.
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The world revolves around STO. STO fails so hard it has caused layoffs at Daybreak Studios, has shuttered Maxis, and Delta Rising continues to strangle the video game market by forcing studios all across the planet to lay off workers.
Not that I expect many players in the forums to recognize the big picture and put two and two together, and see this is an industry problem.
No, we can't see past our own noses and believe that STO and Delta Rising is the cause of all of this. I see a bunch of people on the forums acting like cats who sniff the finger instead of the food the finger is pointing at.
This is why people think the STO forums are full of morons. Because it is.
Yes, myself included.
What I've found helps some of my...disintegrating attitude...with the forums here has been to check out the forums for some of PWE/Cryptic's other games. Though I'm not usually a fan of the "it could be worse" process, the /facepalms from reading some of that stuff causes enough brain matter to splatter that the stuff here doesn't bother me as much.
Well, you usually seem to be one of the more reasonable posters here. Now I know why.
http://crypticstudios.com/openings
Smirk didn't do anything right by catering to free to play, ignoring paying players and those that spend hundreds and thousands of dollars on the game.
Telling people that it's ok to be under geared when going into qued events...these things are killing the game.. we the ones that fund the game get nothing..the advocate for a ill built ship is gone I say good ridden and it took PWE way to long to see that he was doing nothing for the game..
Now with PWE showing that profits are down lets see if they start paying more attention to us the ones that have been here since day 1 and are 20k or more in..we pay the salaries and we are second rate , I don't think so..keep chasing us away and there will be no game free to play doesn't pay your bills ..
Smirk Aidos bruh you sucked as a player and failed as an advocate bye..
You were a moron in the post you created... and you're still a moron here since you copied and pasted...
Of course at a 55 post count I must assume you're nothing but a moronic troll with nothing better to do and no clue and what you're saying.
Try catching the EVE forums and news pages when something so bad happens they add 'gate' to the end of it.
The most absolute and worse possible thing that has ever happened in STO is trivial in comparison. It helps keep things in perspective
lol dont compare eve to sto....Eve developers know what age people playing their game have .In STO they think the players are 12 year olds.Its like comparing a car to a toy car...
I don't miss and wont be missing anyone of the ones, who stayed.
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So the bad ones have to go. Perhaps some good ones are brought in, because the game still need some fixes.
The background. (just guessing). The dev team got too much involved with the famous Startrek characters that were hired for voice acting. Game play and game mechanics came on the short end of the stick.
I cant speak for other players but I was level 60 in 3 hours and 27 minutes. And I hadn't even run a patrol in Tau or the Delta quadrant. Still go hit by the nurf bat for exploiting though, and still don't know what I did that was an exploit.
I nearly spat my coffee out at that openings page. They are looking for QA staff. Oh the irony....:rolleyes:
Most of the "fanbase" isn't on the forums.
Most of the "fanbase" are probably unaware of any layoffs at all.
Who expects this?
A person is a person. Each one can decide for themselves if they want the world to know why they are no longer working for whomever they were working with/for immediately prior.
Publicly traded companies lay off employees constantly and no one is demanding to know the names of the employees, the resons for their terminations, or any other personal information about these people.
If there is some major scandal developing and wrongful termination suits start flying around then yeah, there will be an investigation and some if this information will be made available. Some.
But quite frankly it is none of our business what happened unless we have a stake in the company.
They either won't explain anything or they will have some stock answer about eliminating redundant positions and adjusting the staff to the projected workload using the new tools at their disposal.
In either case the game will go on until it doesn't.
And as far as a farewell speech goes, not always an option.
And who cares if it was a "passion" or "just a job" to him anyway? There is nothing wrong with someone doing a job because that is what they get paid to do.
A person loving their work doesn't suddenly make it more noble.
Heck, I think someone is pretty noble for getting up each day and doing what they have to do to support themselves and their family even if they don't really love the job itself.
But how many people did buy the packs?
I would like to see numbers comparing lifers to subscribers to F2Pers, and then see how much additional money each group is spending for zen, expansion packs, or whatever other offers might be out there.
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Regarding the voiceovers, though... Whatever.
The new Trek people don't sell me. Every new Trek show got less and less interest. Jeri Ryan was brought in to sex up Voyager and to try and bring in more young male eyes. Enterprise didn't wait to put their Vulcan hottie in some tight or barely-there outfits, and that still didn't do much to help Enterprise.
And these new stories? These characters don't just serve as contacts or information sources; They are thrust upon you. I can't investigate this with my own crew. No. I have to leave my people behind and bring along someone else because... Well, never mind why! Just do it. You should be proud to have the great 7 of 9 accompanying you.
You aren't smart enough to figure this stuff out on your own, nor are your engineering, science, or tactical specialists. Only she can solve the problems and then tell you what you have to do while she stands around being useless.
That killed me. I have to drag her from point to point so that she can tell me what the problem is and then leave me to fix it while she stands around doing nothing.
I was (and still am) an original Trek guy, growing up with the reruns as a kid.
I am sure this is going to be an unpopular stance to take, but I would rather have had a game set in the Abrams-verse.
Let us get out and explore the galaxy on our own.
They want to borrow some actor or another for voice work, as they did with Leonard Nimoy introducing sector blocks (and a guest appearance as Mr. Spock) or Zachary Quinto as a mission giver then great, but these are supposed to be the stories of my crew.
Instead I get to tag along now as I continue the adventures of the Voyager crew... My least favorite of all the crews.
Anyways... Off-topic but since those voice actors (as those characters) was brought up I just wanted to vent.
I take it you've never held a job for long...
I'm only dropping in to make these comments:
People can paint the "big picture" all they like. If STO was truly healthy and growing and making PWE a good profit, people wouldn't lose jobs. Cryptic would be hiring even more. It is astonishing to see the lengths people will go to in order to not see what so many players who have left already saw...
STO is going in the *wrong* direction in appealing to players. While there are some who will throw money at this current state of the game, many others have stopped.
Everything they've been doing has had the focus be how to manipulate the players into buying more rather than focusing on just making the game fun. XP nerf after nerf, paltry reward systems, overpriced features, non-stop introduction of systems re-made to cost something....the whole feel of grind at every turn.
It sucks people may have lost their jobs without a doubt but inferring that STO is successful at this point goes beyond the bounds of reason. There were (and are) smart ways for Cryptic to make money off of STO and, with every release in the last two years, they keep going in the wrong direction from many players' perspectives.
Hopefully, Cryptic wakes up. By everything I've seen with one or two exceptions, it looks like they've chosen to double-down on monetizing every aspect of STO that players will stand. Tech bubbles or world economic status would have far less impact if Cryptic's design decisions were more player friendly and less based on quarterly profits. Good games make money and good game designers hire people, they don't hand out pink slips.
If anyone lost their job, and Im sorry if that's happened, that rests squarely in the upper management at Cryptic.
At one time, I really liked STO and where it was going. Enough so, that I allotted myself a monthly Zen purchase. So, I could purchase things I may want, of course, but also to support further development.
Now, I just coast along, earning what I can. I haven't made a purchase in months. I bet you can guess about when. What I'm seeing isn't really encouraging. From MY point of view, the fun factor seems to be dwindling.
I was never a so-called whale, but I wonder just how many minnows the game can stand to lose.
Well, that was also kinda implied, but yes... That too...
I could not have said this better myself! Thank You Iconians.
I agree with you Mithros 100 Percent.
Nah, just the usual village idiots.
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