Protip - when you want to go to a vigil for someone in a video game. Expect all kinds of cartoon people to behave in all kinds of cartoon ways.
HAHAHAHAHHA! That's perfect. A perfect description for all of the "people" in the game who seek to disrupt other player's actions. They are cartoons. Absolutely perfect. :cool:
When the discussion comes up, most of the people I know (myself included) don't want a weepy gathering when we pass. We've stated to each other we'd rather know there was a party with people swapping stories, laughing, getting drunk and remembering the good times.
That said, some people do need time before they are ready for that. While I would like there to be a celebratory aspect to my funeral, I also wouldn't want any of my friends or family berating each other for any more solemn observances or time spent in peace if that is what they need as part of their healing.
That's the same mindset I approach this with: it is one thing to celebrate if you are there already--it is another thing to push that on someone else, and it's the latter I don't like. I would challenge those who want a party to see how big of a crowd they can draw to Quark's or Risa or Club 47. Not to disrupt those who aren't feeling like a party now.
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As i see it, Leonard Nimoy helped with the development of star trek lore and his character being the most influential. He portrayed a character that had to deal with biasness and preducises that saw him as a half breed. Look at how we Americans still see people as black or white with bias and various forms of bigotry that Mr. Spock had to overcome in star trek. So yes, many people will go over board because a unigue and influentail person both on and off screen has passed on. A great many can relate to Mr. Spock from their own personal hardships and ethnic strife.
Sad to see that we haven't achieved full equality yet. "Hands up, Don't shoot".
James Doohan ( Mr. scott) helped save a woman from suicide and she eventually became an electrical engineer.
Mr. Spock ( Leonard Nimoy) Wrote a reply to a bi-ethnic young woman back in the 1960-1970's on how important it is to stand up against bigotry, do not try to be popular and strive to overcome challenges with just being yourself.
So, let people be people.
Mr. Spock would say that we humans are an over emotional species. However, we have an inate ability to be empathetic and logical when the need arises. We just need to do better to be in control of our emotions.
To be like a Vulcan: Is to be cool, calm, collected and logical.
Star Trek (tos) will always be the most infuential and thought provoking tv series. Showing off technologies that are now becoming science and technology fact.
Hech, Back in the 1960's having Captain Kirk and Lt. Uhura kiss made the Southern States go into a tizzy. Added fuel to the fire for equal rights and equal protections under all laws.
Sopwithsnipe--yeah, that edit came up after I responded and I missed it.
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No, I really expect them to behave. Not in the sense of 'demanding' it, but in the sense of hoping, and counting on that they will: not because someone makes them, but because they choose to do so of their own volition, simply out of decency.
Naturally, I'm often dissolution that way. I keep expecting it nonetheless. Hope springs eternal.
Long story coming here - read if you want.
So I've been into Star Trek since... oh... 67 or 68, I was a little kid and the music intro hooked me. Anyway, yeah, I got a little misty when I heard yesterday. Course I'm old enough now I get misty a just about any nostalgic thought. So of course I headed straight to Vulcan, no one said there was anything going on, I just went. So that's where I'm coming from in the "HEY MAN, I LOVE NIMOY TOO" race.
Now, along side that. I have a 12 year old. Kid is a total flake, like all of them, but he's into Star Trek too, and has an account as well. So after he gets home from school, I tell him Leonard Nimoy died. He's bummed, not to the point I was, but little kid bummed. I tell him he can log on, but just to go sit at Vulcan with me and he has to stand his avatar next to mine. So he does. Our computers are kinda back to back so I can't see what he's doing. I have my chat maximized so I'm not watching his avatar. He lasts a little over half an hour being respectful. When I lower chat to look around, he's running circles around the fountain with some other avatar. I'm like "dude!" He says, "sorry I got bored."
Do I think he wasn't still bummed about Nimoy passing, no he was still bummed. But he's a little kid still. He wanted to be there, but he still gets distracted and does goofy kid stuff.
So maybe it's because I play STO with him, but the last few years has really opened my eyes to what is going one with all these avatars you see bouncing around doing all that stuff that makes you think, "Man, that is just not the right way to do that." You know jumping on top of Q's head... yep he's done it. Going the complete wrong way at the start of Infected Space... check. So when I see avatars launching disco balls at a vigil or what have you, I can honestly say. Yep, 12 year old. Cause my kid has done it. I just maximize chat and let them go. Cause even if they are 35 going on 12, they still have just as much right to be there and to remember the works of Nimoy as I do.
When the discussion comes up, most of the people I know (myself included) don't want a weepy gathering when we pass. We've stated to each other we'd rather know there was a party with people swapping stories, laughing, getting drunk and remembering the good times.
Hear! Hear! Right there with you!
As far as I am concerned, my proper send off includes a live band, an open bar, and an all you can eat buffet of all my favorite dishes. I want no tears shed over me. No hysterical outbursts. No stoic silence "Because that is how it is supposed to be done!". Because I am going home. I'd rather my family and friends remember me with laughter and joy. Life is a gift. We all get one. What we do with it is our business. When that time comes, I sincerely hope I have made enough people laugh or smile that my life mattered.
***Raises a glass of one hundred year old Irish whisky*** To Leonard Nimoy! A man who lived a life which mattered. A man who shared his gifts for acting, poetry, and storytelling with the rest of us. Thank you for your life, Leonard. It is indeed a fine example for the rest of us and the best sort of gift.
P.S. I forgot something. After I pass I hope my wife is able to sell all of my "Sci-Fi trash!" for what I think it is worth, lol.
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
The OP is right. None of you have lost a friend or family member. If it feels like you have then can I suggest going outside once in a while.
Have you stopped to consider many people have lost an inspirational figure, perhaps even hero, in their life?
Personally, I do feel some people are taking it a bit far, but then again, if that's how they wish to mourn Mr Nimoy's passing, that's their business...
People get worked up, cursing and swearing and throwing things at the TV when their team loses a football match... I'm not surprised people get worked up, when an individual that achieved as much as Leonard Nimoy did in his life time, passes...
Have you stopped to consider many people have lost an inspirational figure, perhaps even hero, in their life?
Personally, I do feel some people are taking it a bit far, but then again, if that's how they wish to mourn Mr Nimoy's passing, that's their business...
People get worked up, cursing and swearing and throwing things at the TV when their team loses a football match... I'm not surprised people get worked up, when an individual that achieved as much as Leonard Nimoy did in his life time, passes...
Your second sentence suggests you agree with me. So what's the point of your post exactly?
The OP is right. None of you have lost a friend or family member. If it feels like you have then can I suggest going outside once in a while.
But to many, Nimoy (and Spock, by proxy) was a family member in spirit - many of us grew up with TOS ST (whether the original run, or the DVD box sets). And he was a man who helped define ST, one of the most iconic at that
Maybe some take it overboard, and maybe some think the reactions are overboard in general, but it's completely understandable to mourn him as such - it's not required to know him personally to feel such sadness at his loss
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
But to many, Nimoy (and Spock, by proxy) was a family member in spirit - many of us grew up with TOS ST (whether the original run, or the DVD box sets). And he was a man who helped define ST, one of the most iconic at that
Maybe some take it overboard, and maybe some think the reactions are overboard in general, but it's completely understandable to mourn him as such - it's not required to know him personally to feel such sadness at his loss
Sadness at the passing of an inspirational figure is one thing. Having to leave off work early or being unable to stop crying is quite another.
Sadness at the passing of an inspirational figure is one thing. Having to leave off work early or being unable to stop crying is quite another.
Like I said, some may take it overboard... but the underlying reason for why they're that sad is completely understandable. Feelings can run very deep after all
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Have you stopped to consider many people have lost an inspirational figure, perhaps even hero, in their life?
Personally, I do feel some people are taking it a bit far, but then again, if that's how they wish to mourn Mr Nimoy's passing, that's their business...
People get worked up, cursing and swearing and throwing things at the TV when their team loses a football match... I'm not surprised people get worked up, when an individual that achieved as much as Leonard Nimoy did in his life time, passes...
If people wish to get worked up over Mr Nimoy's death, that's entirely upto them... I may not understand why, since I personally had not direct connection other than through his work, but that does not mean that another person should not be upset at his passing...
To give a personal example of differences in people's reactions, my girlfriend began to tear up a little when she heard the news... For me, and lacking a better way to explain it, it was a feeling of disappointment when I heard...
So, again... I may feel some people are going a little over board but, having said that, if that's how they wish to mourn, then that's their business...
I feel a bit weird knowing that for the first day in my life is ina world without Leonard Nimoy in it, but I fund the demands of some players to RP to have given me the heebie-jeebies. It's like their brains have officially broken over the news and they want to take you on the crazy-train with them.
My extent is simply using this temporary banner as seen below, based on the opening show dedications that were given to Gene Roddenberry, James Doohan, and Deforest Kelley when they passed away. Feel free to use this banner for your own sig if you wish.
My friends have promised to hire strippers and use the coffin as the bar for mine. (I have weird friends)...but that's mine, it is important to be...circumspect when discussing others' plans, what they find respectful, etc.
Patrick, I think that respecting each other has been exactly the point I have been making the entire time. I think you and I may need to take this to another venue...
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OP has a point. There were plenty of times where it appeared as if people were intentionally upping the ante, trying to show others how much sadder they were than other players. It culminated in some guy saying he didn't cry when his own close family members passed, but couldn't hold back tears for Nimoy.
I get it, people are sad, and that's normal and fine and expected, but an echo chamber of "you think YOU'RE sad, get a load of THIS" did nothing to honor the man himself, just fed the egos of the people involved. Harsh assessment, I know, and I'm not saying the vast majority of players partook in this, but it definitely was present, and was just as disrespectful as anything else.
Ha. Trolls stick together. Getting bent out of shape when people aren't paying attention to them in game. A small percentage of fans get over emotional and this bruises the party ball troll ego so much an entire thread is created to whine. Oh boo hoo. Trolls got nothing to offer, and maybe that's what hurts them the most. Leonard Nimoy offered decades worth of entertainment to millions. Honestly, the troll reaction is much more disturbing than any fan devotion to Spock.
Not everyone experiences things at the same level of intensity, which often invokes the ridicule of others. It reminds me of that saying,
'Anybody going slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac.'
To some, seeing others showing too little mourning, in their eyes, is disrespectful. And to some, who think others are overdoing it, they call those people creepy freaks.
Ha. Trolls stick together. Getting bent out of shape when people aren't paying attention to them in game. A small percentage of fans get over emotional and this bruises the party ball troll ego so much an entire thread is created to whine. Oh boo hoo. Trolls got nothing to offer, and maybe that's what hurts them the most. Leonard Nimoy offered decades worth of entertainment to millions. Honestly, the troll reaction is much more disturbing than any fan devotion to Spock.
This thread isn't about disco fever and I'd appreciate it if you took your argument about it somewhere else.
This thread isn't about disco fever and I'd appreciate it if you took your argument about it somewhere else.
No its about whining about how others grieve and mourn.
Person 1: 'Omg Person 2, Did you hear that Person 3 took off work the other day because they were soooo upset about that Celebrity dying?'
Person 2: 'No. Reaallly? I mean geez youd thought that Celebrity was family.'
Person 1: 'I knowwww.. I mean some people are so over the top.'
I'm wondering exactly what OP expected would happen when an iconic figure of Trek with a very long history and fans spanning at least two generations died.
I'm wondering exactly what OP expected would happen when an iconic figure of Trek with a very long history and fans spanning at least two generations died.
Could not agree more.
I didn't know Nimoy, but he inspired me in 1969 and started my love of science and things 'space'.
To be honest I have not felt a loss like that since Jim Henson. And that one surprised me.
But if the OP doesn't get it, and that's ok too. LM wasn't a big thing for him.
just to recap mr. nimoy was a gifted actor director and friend to millions of fans world wide for 50 years.....just watch the funeral scene from TWOK , i'm sure it would be enuff to remember him by............R.I.P. my friend i'm glad i got to see some of your best work............goodbye
Yeah, fine, he was a good actor in a decent show, and this is a Star Trek MMO. That doesn't excuse acting like you lost a family member. It's not like any of you ever knew him personally.
While I have not gone over the top, I do understand why some people are overly emotional.
Defrost Kelly, Lenard Nimoy, James Doohan, and Mark Lenard are now gone. When you watch the death scene in the "Wrath of Khan", the only person still alive is William Shatner.
Regardless about how people may feel about the supporting cast, the triad of William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, and DeForest Kelley drove "Star Trek: TOS" to success.
Unlike JJ's version of "Star Trek", the original version 'meant' something to many people.
Storytelling in the 1980s and 1990s, before the cheap green screen invasion, was all about depth, emotional connections, and philosophical reflections.
Kirk will forever carry the personal quirks of William Shatner.
Spock will forever carry the personal quirks of Lenard Nimoy.
Bones will forever carry the personal quirks of DeForest Kelley.
Scotty will forever carry the personal quirks of James Doohan.
...and, that is the flaw behind JJ's "Star Trek".
JJ's actors are armatures playing in the shadow of large than life personalities.
...and, that is why people are emotionally invested in "Star Trek".
Although I grew up on Next Generation, I realize that there would be no Star Trek without Spock. The fact that he was alien and yet a fully developed character indicated from episode 1 that the show was going to be something different.
Many people realize this and many people care deeply about Star Trek due to its hopeful vision that there might be a future for our species. Not only does it provide hope, it also begins to show us some methods we might employ to make this vision a reality. Indeed, many scientists and astronauts got into their fields because of Star Trek, and many are obsessed with making the technology of Trek real. Many of the advances we have seen in the last 10 to 20 years are Trek gadgets made real.
I believe I have answered your query.
Captain Jean-Luc Picard: "We think we've come so far. Torture of heretics, burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then - before you can blink an eye - suddenly it threatens to start all over again."
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
ill be blunt , sorry guys but i hate TOS , dose not tell me anything. As for Nemoy ... he wasn't a very good artist to moan him. Inspiration for space exploration ... Carl Sagan , yes , but Nemoy ...
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HAHAHAHAHHA! That's perfect. A perfect description for all of the "people" in the game who seek to disrupt other player's actions. They are cartoons. Absolutely perfect. :cool:
That said, some people do need time before they are ready for that. While I would like there to be a celebratory aspect to my funeral, I also wouldn't want any of my friends or family berating each other for any more solemn observances or time spent in peace if that is what they need as part of their healing.
That's the same mindset I approach this with: it is one thing to celebrate if you are there already--it is another thing to push that on someone else, and it's the latter I don't like. I would challenge those who want a party to see how big of a crowd they can draw to Quark's or Risa or Club 47. Not to disrupt those who aren't feeling like a party now.
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Sad to see that we haven't achieved full equality yet. "Hands up, Don't shoot".
James Doohan ( Mr. scott) helped save a woman from suicide and she eventually became an electrical engineer.
Mr. Spock ( Leonard Nimoy) Wrote a reply to a bi-ethnic young woman back in the 1960-1970's on how important it is to stand up against bigotry, do not try to be popular and strive to overcome challenges with just being yourself.
So, let people be people.
Mr. Spock would say that we humans are an over emotional species. However, we have an inate ability to be empathetic and logical when the need arises. We just need to do better to be in control of our emotions.
To be like a Vulcan: Is to be cool, calm, collected and logical.
Star Trek (tos) will always be the most infuential and thought provoking tv series. Showing off technologies that are now becoming science and technology fact.
Hech, Back in the 1960's having Captain Kirk and Lt. Uhura kiss made the Southern States go into a tizzy. Added fuel to the fire for equal rights and equal protections under all laws.
Just a thought. Trying to avoide politics...
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Long story coming here - read if you want.
So I've been into Star Trek since... oh... 67 or 68, I was a little kid and the music intro hooked me. Anyway, yeah, I got a little misty when I heard yesterday. Course I'm old enough now I get misty a just about any nostalgic thought. So of course I headed straight to Vulcan, no one said there was anything going on, I just went. So that's where I'm coming from in the "HEY MAN, I LOVE NIMOY TOO" race.
Now, along side that. I have a 12 year old. Kid is a total flake, like all of them, but he's into Star Trek too, and has an account as well. So after he gets home from school, I tell him Leonard Nimoy died. He's bummed, not to the point I was, but little kid bummed. I tell him he can log on, but just to go sit at Vulcan with me and he has to stand his avatar next to mine. So he does. Our computers are kinda back to back so I can't see what he's doing. I have my chat maximized so I'm not watching his avatar. He lasts a little over half an hour being respectful. When I lower chat to look around, he's running circles around the fountain with some other avatar. I'm like "dude!" He says, "sorry I got bored."
Do I think he wasn't still bummed about Nimoy passing, no he was still bummed. But he's a little kid still. He wanted to be there, but he still gets distracted and does goofy kid stuff.
So maybe it's because I play STO with him, but the last few years has really opened my eyes to what is going one with all these avatars you see bouncing around doing all that stuff that makes you think, "Man, that is just not the right way to do that." You know jumping on top of Q's head... yep he's done it. Going the complete wrong way at the start of Infected Space... check. So when I see avatars launching disco balls at a vigil or what have you, I can honestly say. Yep, 12 year old. Cause my kid has done it. I just maximize chat and let them go. Cause even if they are 35 going on 12, they still have just as much right to be there and to remember the works of Nimoy as I do.
It's not like everything he's ever done or been involved in suddenly went *poof*.
Hear! Hear! Right there with you!
As far as I am concerned, my proper send off includes a live band, an open bar, and an all you can eat buffet of all my favorite dishes. I want no tears shed over me. No hysterical outbursts. No stoic silence "Because that is how it is supposed to be done!". Because I am going home. I'd rather my family and friends remember me with laughter and joy. Life is a gift. We all get one. What we do with it is our business. When that time comes, I sincerely hope I have made enough people laugh or smile that my life mattered.
***Raises a glass of one hundred year old Irish whisky*** To Leonard Nimoy! A man who lived a life which mattered. A man who shared his gifts for acting, poetry, and storytelling with the rest of us. Thank you for your life, Leonard. It is indeed a fine example for the rest of us and the best sort of gift.
P.S. I forgot something. After I pass I hope my wife is able to sell all of my "Sci-Fi trash!" for what I think it is worth, lol.
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Have you stopped to consider many people have lost an inspirational figure, perhaps even hero, in their life?
Personally, I do feel some people are taking it a bit far, but then again, if that's how they wish to mourn Mr Nimoy's passing, that's their business...
People get worked up, cursing and swearing and throwing things at the TV when their team loses a football match... I'm not surprised people get worked up, when an individual that achieved as much as Leonard Nimoy did in his life time, passes...
Your second sentence suggests you agree with me. So what's the point of your post exactly?
Free Tibet!
Maybe some take it overboard, and maybe some think the reactions are overboard in general, but it's completely understandable to mourn him as such - it's not required to know him personally to feel such sadness at his loss
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Sadness at the passing of an inspirational figure is one thing. Having to leave off work early or being unable to stop crying is quite another.
Free Tibet!
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
My point, is exactly what I posted...
If people wish to get worked up over Mr Nimoy's death, that's entirely upto them... I may not understand why, since I personally had not direct connection other than through his work, but that does not mean that another person should not be upset at his passing...
To give a personal example of differences in people's reactions, my girlfriend began to tear up a little when she heard the news... For me, and lacking a better way to explain it, it was a feeling of disappointment when I heard...
So, again... I may feel some people are going a little over board but, having said that, if that's how they wish to mourn, then that's their business...
My extent is simply using this temporary banner as seen below, based on the opening show dedications that were given to Gene Roddenberry, James Doohan, and Deforest Kelley when they passed away. Feel free to use this banner for your own sig if you wish.
Patrick, I think that respecting each other has been exactly the point I have been making the entire time. I think you and I may need to take this to another venue...
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Ha. Trolls stick together. Getting bent out of shape when people aren't paying attention to them in game. A small percentage of fans get over emotional and this bruises the party ball troll ego so much an entire thread is created to whine. Oh boo hoo. Trolls got nothing to offer, and maybe that's what hurts them the most. Leonard Nimoy offered decades worth of entertainment to millions. Honestly, the troll reaction is much more disturbing than any fan devotion to Spock.
'Anybody going slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac.'
To some, seeing others showing too little mourning, in their eyes, is disrespectful. And to some, who think others are overdoing it, they call those people creepy freaks.
This thread isn't about disco fever and I'd appreciate it if you took your argument about it somewhere else.
No its about whining about how others grieve and mourn.
Person 1: 'Omg Person 2, Did you hear that Person 3 took off work the other day because they were soooo upset about that Celebrity dying?'
Person 2: 'No. Reaallly? I mean geez youd thought that Celebrity was family.'
Person 1: 'I knowwww.. I mean some people are so over the top.'
Its pathetic that this is even a thread.
I agree.
But there's no need to break it up with disco balls and balloons.
I Support Disco | Disco is Love | Disco is Life
Could not agree more.
I didn't know Nimoy, but he inspired me in 1969 and started my love of science and things 'space'.
To be honest I have not felt a loss like that since Jim Henson. And that one surprised me.
But if the OP doesn't get it, and that's ok too. LM wasn't a big thing for him.
While I have not gone over the top, I do understand why some people are overly emotional.
Defrost Kelly, Lenard Nimoy, James Doohan, and Mark Lenard are now gone. When you watch the death scene in the "Wrath of Khan", the only person still alive is William Shatner.
Regardless about how people may feel about the supporting cast, the triad of William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, and DeForest Kelley drove "Star Trek: TOS" to success.
Link: The Undiscovered Country Teaser Trailer
Link: Death of Spock
Unlike JJ's version of "Star Trek", the original version 'meant' something to many people.
Storytelling in the 1980s and 1990s, before the cheap green screen invasion, was all about depth, emotional connections, and philosophical reflections.
Kirk will forever carry the personal quirks of William Shatner.
Spock will forever carry the personal quirks of Lenard Nimoy.
Bones will forever carry the personal quirks of DeForest Kelley.
Scotty will forever carry the personal quirks of James Doohan.
...and, that is the flaw behind JJ's "Star Trek".
JJ's actors are armatures playing in the shadow of large than life personalities.
...and, that is why people are emotionally invested in "Star Trek".
No one can replace these legendary actors.
No one.
Many people realize this and many people care deeply about Star Trek due to its hopeful vision that there might be a future for our species. Not only does it provide hope, it also begins to show us some methods we might employ to make this vision a reality. Indeed, many scientists and astronauts got into their fields because of Star Trek, and many are obsessed with making the technology of Trek real. Many of the advances we have seen in the last 10 to 20 years are Trek gadgets made real.
I believe I have answered your query.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."