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Everyone is talking about memorials for Nimoy...
anazonda
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How about James Doohan or DeForest Kelley?
Those were equally interesting characters and deserve the same attention, on this day that their fellow colleague and helping founder of the series that most of us love... Yet are now missing from the puzzle.
Hall of heroes.
Those were equally interesting characters and deserve the same attention, on this day that their fellow colleague and helping founder of the series that most of us love... Yet are now missing from the puzzle.
Hall of heroes.
Don't look silly... Don't call it the "Z-Store/Zen Store"...
Like Duty Officers? Support effords to gather ideaspwebranflakes wrote: »Let me put the rumors to rest: it's definitely still the C-Store (Cryptic Store) It just takes ZEN.
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The academy would be proper, don't you think..? Use one of those empty shells looking like buildings...
After all, at least 2 of the officers from the enterprise had been teaching at the academy (4 if you accept the very well done game "Starfleet academy" as soft canon).
Don't remind me.
What accomplishments do the characters these people play have in universe that would warrant such?
Yeah! Where's the memorial for the Sumerian merchant Noah was based on!?!
Or Jason's memorial?
Leif Erikson only gets a mention in the congressional record and unlike a certain famous someone actually set foot on the continent!
*continues faux outrage*
You can mention them in the credits of the game... where it is appropriate. But to honor in game breaks immersion... people want to feel this is the future universe of Star Trek... to say the actors who played them are honored in that world... breaks the fourth wall or whatever.
We can honor their memory in game by meeting at Vulcan, which is a great sentiment, but to have a lasting memorial that is IN-GAME is out of place a little.
Who would have cared about Nemoy, without the two..?
In-universe, I believe Scotty headed up the Starfleet Corps of Engineers at one point after his rescue from the Jenolan. McCoy is implied to have risen extremely high in the ranks (it would make sense for him to have headed Starfleet Medical) and was an Admiral upon his passing.
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Who is this Nemoy guy? We should be honoring the life of Leonard NIMOY.
No... we should be honoring all of the cast, without whom Nimoy (Smarta**... you know da*n well it was a typo) would have been a unknown nobody none of us would have remembered today.
I would actually propose adding a museum to the game somewhere. We have so many assets now that would lend themselves to that. There could be an exhibit for each era of Star Trek and for the various empires. The museum if placed in a fairly neutral area could be a launching point for some missions and special events.
In the meantime:
How about releasing the Guardian of Forever as a social zone locked to ranks Captain and above and adding images to the Guardian's rotation in honor of the people who have passed or contributed to STO?
Adding NPCs of Captain Spock, Captain Scott, and Admiral McCoy to the Captain's Table, which could be expanded out in time. I can see some longterm potential for the zone as a celebration of Trek but I think they need to add more ways to access it and more unique features to the place. I don't know about Scotty or McCoy... But I know Cryptic has the rights to use one preapproved version of Nimoy at one age but can recostume him. H2orat, who is no longer with us, explained once to me that's why Spock has dark hair in the F2P trailer.
But they could take the game's basic Spock, put him in a WoK uniform, and have him appear in game somewhere. And they have more recordings of Nimoy's voice than they released because they had him record both the "Space, the final frontier" intro and a variety of basic interactions when they planned for bridge officers to have voices. (One option in beta was to have your BO sound like Nimoy.)
Maybe they could have a Spock BO with the BO voiceover enabled.
Kind of a odd complaint to have isnt it? Considering there are already a memorial in game for a deceased member of the development team.
Plus its kind of a MMO "tradition" if you will, started by Star Wars Galaxies.
That could be a good solution to allow all factions in.
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That didn't address my question. While Deforrest Kelly and James Doohan were important to the original series and movies as actors, what reason would Starfleet or the Federation at large have for giving the characters statues. What accomplishments did they have to warrant such?
OK, this is good, but I do not see that as being worthy of having a statue dedicated to them when there are many others who were far more important to Starfleet and the Federation who do NOT have a statue (at least in game...I don't know about any canon instances out side the game having such). There have been many just as important individuals holding those or similar positions who did not get similar accolades...why should they stand out? Remember that I am asking from an in universe perspective, not the actors' contribution to the franchise.
I fully recognize that, but just because others weren't give the chance, dosen't make them any less noteworthy...
Personally I think McCoy was significantly more interesting than Spock... But they were both a very important part of the puzzle.
Lets see... Scotty practically designed every emergency procedure in the book, and had personal influence in how things were designed even 80 years later (See Relics).
McCoy was the grandfather of modern Trek medicine, combining the old and the new medicine and managed to become recongized enough to become a medical Admiral.
His documented experiences even became part of the EMH database, and even parts of the EMH's behavioral algorythms.
In short: While spock managed to bring on a peace with the klingons (that eventually collapsed... twice), Scotty and McCoy managed to create tools that saved lives well into the future.
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Good example in Relics.
But I still don't see that as being worthy of being idolized (statuefied?). I think rather the monument lies in the contributions they made being carried forward. Having a starship named after you is pretty standard though.
If they were Klingon, then yes, certainly. The Klingons are real big on statues, and monuments and songs dedicated to their heroes.
I never talked about a statue... Even Kirk did not get a statue... Or Sarek... Or Archer... Why would spock?
The point is, that Spock was not really that important... He just got the ball rolling... But it was others who finished the snowman.
Well considering, despite anything they did or did not do AFTER STVI, they were the crew of the Enterprise, and saved the federation, earth, space-time, galaxy, etc more times than any other 6 crews combined. That plaque to George and Gracie at SFA wouldn't be there, nor would SFA, without them
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memorial doesn't mean statue. It can be as simple as a memorial plaque or grand and massive. I don't think anyone wants a 30 foot tall spock statue. Tho a 30 foot tall ToS Connie would be a cool monument for the whole original cast.. Just add the names as they pass IRL
its enough of a memorial to leonard nimoy and all of the stars of trek that have or will leave this mortal coil that we remember them fondly.
in the words of kirk, "He's not really gone as long as we find a way to remember him."
I need nothing in the game to help me remember any trek stars.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Kirk was vainglorious, McCoy was erudite, Scotty was irascible, Chekhov was a character and Sulu, well Sulu was Sulu... Uhura was a game changer.
Throughout this was Spock! What, who was Spock? Spock was us, yup us! We all knew that Spock was really a reflection of ourselves, that part that got stuff right, that part that didn't get tricked, the smartness which we all know we have.
That small part of us that wanted to be Kirk, with a touch of Spock thrown in to make it work. That part that wanted to be Picard, with a little of the old Spock magic thrown in. How we yearned to find our way home from the Delta quadrant, wishing we had Spock to show Tuvok the way. How the Sisko could have benefited from Spock like logic to deal with the Prophets. How much cooler T'Pol would have been if she'd only been more Spock like...
I call for a permanent shrine on P'Jem to Spock and all the fallen of ST.
Spock was/is/will always be Trek!
LLAP.
I may not be popular for this, so let me preface that I loved Scotty and McCoy. But Mr. Nimoy was in STO, helped promote it, and did the intro. Mr. Doohan and Mr. Kelley were not. No fault of their own obviously, but they were not in STO.
I know it sucks for me to say it, and in some ways it's not right, but if we honor every person who was in Star Trek and made it great, we'd need another planet for all the memorials.
Spock, Scotty, and McCoy all need their fair share.
This is why a memorial to Spock makes sense. After all, lore-wise Spock is missing/presumed dead.
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